1 00:00:17,170 --> 00:00:19,219 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:38,772 MAN: One minute. 3 00:00:39,372 --> 00:00:40,373 One minute. 4 00:00:44,744 --> 00:00:46,312 [BELL RINGS] 5 00:00:48,314 --> 00:00:49,416 Hi. 6 00:00:50,617 --> 00:00:52,850 - How are you? - MAN: You can go right here. 7 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:55,922 [UPBEAT COUNTRY ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 8 00:00:56,589 --> 00:00:58,158 ♪ Good things Utah ♪ 9 00:00:58,158 --> 00:01:00,930 ♪ Where the good things are ♪ 10 00:01:00,930 --> 00:01:01,594 ♪ Good things Utah ♪ 11 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:03,163 ♪ Where the good things are ♪ 12 00:01:03,163 --> 00:01:05,231 ♪ Good things Utah ♪ 13 00:01:05,231 --> 00:01:09,235 Joining us now is Matt. He's a certified DEI expert. 14 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,738 And, Matt, let's start with what you do. 15 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:13,940 What is a certified DEI expert? 16 00:01:13,940 --> 00:01:16,309 Well, that's someone who takes you on a journey 17 00:01:16,309 --> 00:01:17,811 of diversity and inclusion. 18 00:01:17,811 --> 00:01:20,347 And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, 19 00:01:20,347 --> 00:01:21,781 it's all about how you begin the journey. 20 00:01:21,781 --> 00:01:22,849 We covered this in the workshop. 21 00:01:22,849 --> 00:01:23,950 I'd like to start with 22 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:25,251 what's called a "land acknowledgement." 23 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:26,786 I don't know if you're familiar with those. 24 00:01:26,786 --> 00:01:30,657 Um, I brought, uh, one along for this broadcast. 25 00:01:30,657 --> 00:01:33,426 Uh, so, I'd like to begin by acknowledging 26 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:36,629 that this broadcast is airing in the traditional lands 27 00:01:36,629 --> 00:01:38,465 of the Ute, the Paiute, 28 00:01:38,465 --> 00:01:40,800 the Goshute, and the Shoshone tribes. 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,836 These are the peoples who call this land home 30 00:01:42,836 --> 00:01:46,206 before it was ravaged and ransacked by the white man. 31 00:01:46,206 --> 00:01:48,410 And this is a lot of things 32 00:01:48,410 --> 00:01:50,643 that we don't necessarily think about. 33 00:01:50,643 --> 00:01:52,679 - MATT: Mm-hmm. - And this is part 34 00:01:52,679 --> 00:01:55,548 of the journey that you'd like to teach other folks 35 00:01:55,548 --> 00:01:56,816 - in your workshops. - Yeah. 36 00:01:56,816 --> 00:01:57,884 If you wouldn't mind, 37 00:01:57,884 --> 00:01:59,686 I'd go through the exercise right now. 38 00:01:59,686 --> 00:02:01,354 - Uh... - Go ahead. What is it? 39 00:02:01,354 --> 00:02:03,490 So, can we all do it together? 40 00:02:03,490 --> 00:02:05,580 - Yeah. Do we stand? - Yeah. Yeah, we stand for it. 41 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:06,159 - Okay. - Okay. 42 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,161 It's very, very simple. I start every day like this. 43 00:02:08,161 --> 00:02:09,963 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 44 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,365 you're stretching, and this is more for you and less for you. 45 00:02:12,365 --> 00:02:14,734 You're stretching up like this, 46 00:02:14,734 --> 00:02:16,360 - and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,204 What you're doing is you're stretching 48 00:02:18,204 --> 00:02:19,539 out of your whiteness. 49 00:02:19,539 --> 00:02:21,675 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 50 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,410 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 51 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:26,780 You're probably wondering if this is real. 52 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:28,848 The answer is yes. It's real. 53 00:02:28,848 --> 00:02:31,851 That's me. Matt Walsh. In real life. 54 00:02:31,851 --> 00:02:34,354 With the man bun and the skinny jeans 55 00:02:34,354 --> 00:02:38,792 on an actual news show as a certified DEI expert. 56 00:02:38,792 --> 00:02:39,893 If you don't know, 57 00:02:39,893 --> 00:02:43,463 DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. 58 00:02:43,463 --> 00:02:45,432 It's all the rage right now. 59 00:02:45,432 --> 00:02:46,933 But you're still probably asking, 60 00:02:46,933 --> 00:02:49,602 what am I doing on this TV show? 61 00:02:49,602 --> 00:02:51,304 How did I get there? 62 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:58,111 Well, it's a complicated story. 63 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:00,480 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 64 00:03:39,619 --> 00:03:42,880 I've been a white guy my whole life. 65 00:03:42,822 --> 00:03:44,157 Growing up in the '90s, 66 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:46,126 I never thought much about race. 67 00:03:46,126 --> 00:03:47,694 I mean, yeah, sure, 68 00:03:47,694 --> 00:03:49,429 you noticed if somebody was Black 69 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:51,531 or white or Mexican, or whatever, 70 00:03:51,531 --> 00:03:54,367 but it never really seemed to matter that much. 71 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:55,502 At least not to me. 72 00:03:55,502 --> 00:03:57,671 And we think the vast majority of Americans are racist? 73 00:03:57,671 --> 00:03:59,172 That's what I'm trying... I totally understand. 74 00:03:59,172 --> 00:04:01,708 I think that there is a significant portion, 75 00:04:01,708 --> 00:04:03,430 um, that are racist 76 00:04:03,430 --> 00:04:04,978 - and you can't... - MATT: These days, though, 77 00:04:04,978 --> 00:04:07,747 we're told that racial tensions are high. 78 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:09,482 It's all over the media. 79 00:04:09,482 --> 00:04:12,152 There are a lot of racists in this country. 80 00:04:12,152 --> 00:04:13,753 MAN: We're doing a big story about race in America. 81 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:14,854 Race in America. 82 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:16,189 KAMALA HARRIS: Black, Latino, 83 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:18,892 and Indigenous people are suffering and dying... 84 00:04:18,892 --> 00:04:20,360 Violent, white supremacy. 85 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:23,363 - White entitlement. - This is America. 86 00:04:23,363 --> 00:04:25,999 REPORTER: Overnight growing national unrest. 87 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:28,501 We've gotta do the work. 88 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:32,105 - Coffee? - Yes. Thank you. 89 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:33,406 How do you take it? 90 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:37,410 [TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 91 00:04:41,715 --> 00:04:42,849 - [MUSIC STOPS] - Black. 92 00:04:49,422 --> 00:04:51,240 That was awkward. 93 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:54,694 That's how I like my coffee. 94 00:04:54,694 --> 00:04:56,763 I don't like cream. Is that so wrong? 95 00:04:56,763 --> 00:04:58,631 I don't think the two should be mixed. 96 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:00,100 Okay, that does sound racist. 97 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:02,369 Wait, am I racist? 98 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:03,937 What is racism? 99 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:07,574 If I'm gonna sort this out, I need to talk to an expert. 100 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:10,410 Preferably someone outside of my bubble. 101 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:12,450 Somebody who can speak with authority 102 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:14,280 about the Black experience in America. 103 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,750 Or I'll just talk to this white woman. 104 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:17,951 This is Kate Slater. 105 00:05:17,951 --> 00:05:20,253 She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. 106 00:05:20,253 --> 00:05:22,880 - Hi. Nice... - Nice to meet ya. How are ya? 107 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:23,757 And you are the co-creator 108 00:05:23,757 --> 00:05:25,592 of something called the Anti-Racist 109 00:05:25,592 --> 00:05:27,600 - Roadmap. - Roadmap. Yeah. 110 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,261 So, what... what is that? 111 00:05:28,261 --> 00:05:31,831 After 2020, we saw 112 00:05:31,831 --> 00:05:34,401 a lot of white people saying, 113 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:37,804 "Okay, I know I need to do the work, 114 00:05:37,804 --> 00:05:39,406 "but I don't know what the work is." 115 00:05:39,406 --> 00:05:40,974 So what is the work? 116 00:05:40,974 --> 00:05:43,610 - [CHUCKLES DRILY] - 'Cause I wanna do... 117 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:44,678 - The work. - Do that. 118 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,112 I wanna do it too, but I don't know what... 119 00:05:46,112 --> 00:05:47,180 What is the work? 120 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:51,284 I think, for white folks, the work is 121 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:54,454 reallocating our resources and privileges 122 00:05:54,454 --> 00:05:57,290 to balance out systemic inequities. 123 00:05:57,290 --> 00:06:00,627 So that means there is a white person who says, 124 00:06:00,627 --> 00:06:02,662 "Okay, I'm ready to interrupt racism," 125 00:06:02,662 --> 00:06:04,230 or, "I'm gonna be really nice 126 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:05,565 "to that Black or brown person," 127 00:06:05,565 --> 00:06:07,200 because that's the work. 128 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,469 But they're never willing to interrupt 129 00:06:09,469 --> 00:06:10,904 their shitty racist uncle. 130 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:12,472 That's a powerful example for me. 131 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:13,807 You mentioned a racist uncle. 132 00:06:13,807 --> 00:06:15,809 - [LAUGHS] I've got one, too. - Yeah. 133 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:17,243 Well, you're saying, 134 00:06:17,243 --> 00:06:18,845 sometimes we have to confront those people. 135 00:06:18,845 --> 00:06:20,213 Oh, absolutely. 136 00:06:22,882 --> 00:06:25,510 When is the right age to talk to our kids 137 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:26,319 about their racism? 138 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:29,823 Before they can talk. [LAUGHING] 139 00:06:29,823 --> 00:06:31,910 I mean it. I... 140 00:06:31,910 --> 00:06:32,926 So my six-month-old baby, I used... 141 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:35,228 Why the hell not? Why the hell not? 142 00:06:35,762 --> 00:06:37,397 My six-month-old... 143 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:39,199 And honestly, they've gone through six months of life, 144 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,401 I've never talked to them about racism. 145 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,436 So my daughter's four years old. 146 00:06:43,436 --> 00:06:46,673 I am an anti-racist educator, quote-unquote. 147 00:06:46,673 --> 00:06:48,375 She's still watching Disney movies, 148 00:06:48,375 --> 00:06:51,911 and she is choosing a white princess over 149 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,380 princesses of color. 150 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:54,447 Have you talked to her about that? 151 00:06:54,447 --> 00:06:55,582 All the time. 152 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,784 My three-year-old daughter is very... 153 00:06:57,784 --> 00:06:59,519 Her favorite princess is Moana. 154 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:01,187 - Love it. - It's a good sign. 155 00:07:01,187 --> 00:07:03,289 - Yeah. - But then I also thought, 156 00:07:03,857 --> 00:07:06,393 you know, it's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. 157 00:07:06,393 --> 00:07:07,927 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 158 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:09,290 Mm-hmm. 159 00:07:09,290 --> 00:07:11,970 So, how do we navigate that? 160 00:07:11,970 --> 00:07:14,134 - [SIGHS] - Do I go and buy 161 00:07:14,134 --> 00:07:16,770 the Pacific Islander native attire 162 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,238 for my white three-year-old? 163 00:07:18,238 --> 00:07:20,640 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. 164 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,576 But I guess, what we might call the Moana problem here 165 00:07:23,576 --> 00:07:27,113 is what, uh, on one hand, is cultural appropriation. 166 00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:28,314 On the other hand, 167 00:07:28,314 --> 00:07:32,850 there's gravitating towards white characters. 168 00:07:32,850 --> 00:07:34,587 - Right. - So it's almost like 169 00:07:34,587 --> 00:07:37,323 no matter which way you go, 170 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:39,259 - you end up back... - Right. 171 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:40,660 ...in racism. 172 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:42,128 We think every space belongs to us 173 00:07:42,128 --> 00:07:44,297 because we live in a white supremacist society. 174 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:48,435 Is America an inherently racist country? 175 00:07:49,536 --> 00:07:54,700 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. 176 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:55,675 - If we say... - Fundamentally. 177 00:07:55,675 --> 00:07:57,444 Fundamentally, yes. 178 00:07:57,444 --> 00:07:59,379 America is racist to its bones. 179 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:01,481 - All of the... - So, inherently. 180 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:02,649 Yeah. 181 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:04,551 Just to put it as bluntly as possible, 182 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:06,619 am I racist? 183 00:08:06,619 --> 00:08:09,989 Every white person in America has grown up in a country 184 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:13,293 where race and racism make up the fabric of our society. 185 00:08:13,293 --> 00:08:15,495 So I don't think anyone moves through this world 186 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,131 with a non-bias, non-racist world view. 187 00:08:18,131 --> 00:08:20,200 So the answer's yes, I am racist. 188 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,901 You said it 189 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:24,871 What do you recommend to people for resources 190 00:08:24,871 --> 00:08:28,174 if they're just starting on their anti-racist path? 191 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:29,509 Go to the bookstore 192 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:30,844 if you're not reading these books. 193 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:32,579 And then applying what you've learned, 194 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:35,480 taking what you read about and saying, 195 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,649 "Hey, racist uncle, 196 00:08:36,649 --> 00:08:38,551 "I think we should talk about this." 197 00:08:38,551 --> 00:08:39,686 That you're no good. 198 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:42,822 I've never, uh, confronted my own racist uncle. 199 00:08:42,822 --> 00:08:44,570 I haven't confronted him. 200 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:46,826 But it's not ever too late. 201 00:08:46,826 --> 00:08:47,894 No. 202 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:49,863 No. 203 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:52,320 Sometimes it means having the conversation 204 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,200 that you've been knowing in your heart, 205 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,200 you've been putting off for years. 206 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,700 MATT: Hmm. 207 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:01,274 If Kate Slater's right, then it's all worse than I thought. 208 00:09:01,274 --> 00:09:04,344 America is racist down to its bones. 209 00:09:04,344 --> 00:09:06,790 And my Uncle Frank, 210 00:09:06,790 --> 00:09:08,248 well, I'll deal with him later. 211 00:09:08,248 --> 00:09:10,116 For now, I've got a lot of reading to do. 212 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:12,419 [LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING] 213 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:29,636 So we do have books on anti-racism, 214 00:09:29,636 --> 00:09:31,104 uh, kind of all throughout the store. 215 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:32,405 There's a lot of, like, newer stuff 216 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:34,174 that tends to go on the main floor first, but... 217 00:09:34,174 --> 00:09:36,760 - Yeah. - ...the bulk of our section, 218 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,277 we keep over here. 219 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:39,790 This is all anti-racism? 220 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:42,982 Yeah. This section is really just books on anti-racism, 221 00:09:42,982 --> 00:09:44,918 and a lot of the history of racism, 222 00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:46,419 particularly in the United States. 223 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:48,321 Am I even allowed to touch this one? 224 00:09:48,321 --> 00:09:49,989 Some of these books are provocative. 225 00:09:49,989 --> 00:09:51,524 WOMAN: Yes. Definitely. [CHUCKLES] 226 00:09:51,524 --> 00:09:55,362 So, what... Am I allowed to even read this one? 227 00:09:55,362 --> 00:09:56,629 WOMAN: I think you're allowed to read it. 228 00:09:56,629 --> 00:09:59,599 I would not perhaps say the title. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 229 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,968 So I couldn't call you up and say, "Do you have..." 230 00:10:02,869 --> 00:10:06,306 You might say it's a book that starts with "N" 231 00:10:06,306 --> 00:10:07,674 - and it's by this author. - Yeah. 232 00:10:07,674 --> 00:10:09,542 If you were looking for that in particular. 233 00:10:09,542 --> 00:10:10,810 That's probably a level up 234 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:12,120 - from where I am. - [LAUGHS] 235 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,446 How many of these do you think we need to... 236 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:16,160 need to get through before we can really understand? 237 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,953 Start with one book, let it sit, see how you feel. 238 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:21,855 I feel like reading one book kind of gets you 239 00:10:21,855 --> 00:10:23,230 into a place where it's like, 240 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:25,392 "You know what? I do want to do more about this." 241 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:27,894 These are all staff recommendations. 242 00:10:27,894 --> 00:10:30,964 Uh, they're all fiction, written by diverse authors, 243 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,699 and they're all pretty fun. 244 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:35,635 Dumb question. You said diverse authors. 245 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,370 What's a diverse person? 246 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:39,572 Uh, that would be basically people who aren't white, 247 00:10:39,572 --> 00:10:40,807 [CHUCKLES] essentially. 248 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:43,900 - So, Black, Latinx... - So we can't... 249 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:45,780 ...Native American, Asian... 250 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:47,113 So everybody who's not white is diverse. 251 00:10:47,113 --> 00:10:48,515 Well... 252 00:10:49,349 --> 00:10:51,351 it's not just reading Black people, but, you know, 253 00:10:51,351 --> 00:10:53,860 every... Like, there are a lot of different groups 254 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:55,655 that have faced persecution, and have had a hard time, 255 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:58,580 and, you know, just being a white, 256 00:10:58,580 --> 00:11:01,270 straight, cisgender person, usually a man, 257 00:11:01,270 --> 00:11:03,263 it's like kind of the top of the pile. 258 00:11:03,263 --> 00:11:04,898 - But, uh... - That's me. 259 00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:05,999 [LAUGHS] 260 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:07,267 So I'm on the top of the pile. 261 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,436 - Uh... You know... - Where should I start? 262 00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:10,537 White Women , uh, 263 00:11:10,537 --> 00:11:12,339 by Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 264 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:15,542 Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 265 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:17,377 Basically, this book is saying, like, 266 00:11:17,377 --> 00:11:20,180 "We need to stop being nice about racism," 267 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,949 'cause nothing has been advanced by being nice. 268 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:24,851 White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. 269 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:26,586 Hearing from another white person 270 00:11:26,586 --> 00:11:28,888 about ways to have these conversations, 271 00:11:28,888 --> 00:11:30,857 and ways to break through your own white fragility, 272 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:32,859 I think, is a really good place to start. 273 00:11:32,859 --> 00:11:34,594 Well, a lot to learn, 274 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:36,296 but we have all the materials here, 275 00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:38,131 - I think... - [CHUCKLES] 276 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:39,399 ...to start the journey. 277 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,701 - [INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING] - Beautiful bookstore. 278 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,803 Thank you. We're fond of it. 279 00:11:45,772 --> 00:11:46,773 Thank you. 280 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:49,542 Have a good day. 281 00:11:50,477 --> 00:11:52,712 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 282 00:12:00,587 --> 00:12:03,456 MAN: Robin DiAngelo's 2018 book, White Fragility, 283 00:12:03,456 --> 00:12:04,557 catapulted to the top 284 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,226 o f the New York Times best sellers' list. 285 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,461 ***LE KING: Robin DiAngelo is a sociologist, 286 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:09,896 and she's author of this book. 287 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:12,980 Everyone, please check out her book, White Fragility. 288 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:13,733 Everyone else in the world has. 289 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,735 White Fragility, which is, in many cases, 290 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,404 the Bible for white people... 291 00:12:18,772 --> 00:12:21,441 - White Fragility. - Crucial and seminal book. 292 00:12:21,441 --> 00:12:23,760 WOMAN: New York Times best-selling list 293 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,277 for the third year. 294 00:12:26,813 --> 00:12:29,783 MATT: "Racism is the norm rather than an aberration. 295 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:32,752 "Anti-Blackness is foundational 296 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:35,550 "to our very identities as white people." 297 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:36,156 DIANGELO: As a white person, 298 00:12:36,156 --> 00:12:39,590 I was just raised to expect the world to be mine. 299 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:41,327 That's how difficult we are. 300 00:12:41,327 --> 00:12:42,395 Wow. 301 00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:45,365 That's how big, uh, a-holes we are. [LAUGHS] 302 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:46,466 Yeah. 303 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,350 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. 304 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:50,303 "White people do not exist 305 00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:52,906 "outside the system of white supremacy." 306 00:12:52,906 --> 00:12:56,376 When we say "I'm not racist," what we're conveying 307 00:12:56,376 --> 00:12:59,145 is that we're clueless about what racism is. 308 00:12:59,145 --> 00:13:00,914 And I would just ask white Americans 309 00:13:00,914 --> 00:13:03,316 to remove that phrase from their vocabulary. 310 00:13:03,316 --> 00:13:04,751 "I'm not racist." 311 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:08,880 MATT: "Anger, fear, and guilts, 312 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,724 "and behavior such as argumentation silence 313 00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:13,827 "and withdrawal. These responses work to 314 00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:17,300 "maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. 315 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:20,767 "I conceptualize this process as white fragility." 316 00:13:25,372 --> 00:13:27,540 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 317 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:29,676 Robin DiAngelo was right. 318 00:13:29,676 --> 00:13:31,344 Coming to terms with my whiteness 319 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:32,912 was not going to be easy. 320 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,348 Fortunately, I found a support group 321 00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:37,450 that can help me with my white privilege, 322 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:41,870 run by an anti-racist expert who specializes in grief. 323 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:44,257 Her fee was $30,000 to host this workshop, 324 00:13:44,257 --> 00:13:46,593 so, obviously, she must be the best. 325 00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:49,729 But I'm worried that, as a well-known conservative, 326 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:52,766 the support group may not welcome me into their fold. 327 00:13:53,933 --> 00:13:55,350 Maybe I'll use a different name 328 00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:56,636 to help me blend in. 329 00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:59,539 Whatever it takes to continue this journey. 330 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:01,741 WADE: All right. So, typically, I like 331 00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:04,577 to open up the space with a brief meditation, 332 00:14:04,577 --> 00:14:06,546 so if you feel comfortable, 333 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:09,249 please ground yourself in your seats. 334 00:14:09,249 --> 00:14:10,917 Close your eyes 335 00:14:10,917 --> 00:14:14,487 and just allow yourself to be fully present in the space. 336 00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:16,489 Whatever that means. 337 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:39,979 Are we meditating? 338 00:14:40,547 --> 00:14:41,681 Okay. Sorry. 339 00:14:55,962 --> 00:14:58,998 When you are ready, open your eyes 340 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:00,500 and rejoin the space. 341 00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:05,205 All right. So is everybody excited 342 00:15:05,205 --> 00:15:07,407 to talk about anti-racism and grief? 343 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,743 - Absolutely. - [ALL LAUGHING] 344 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:10,977 WADE: Okay. 345 00:15:10,977 --> 00:15:13,513 So, I usually like to get this started 346 00:15:13,513 --> 00:15:15,682 by just introducing ourselves. 347 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:17,984 If you could please pronounce your name. 348 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:19,919 Uh, please share your pronouns, 349 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,354 how you're feeling today, 350 00:15:21,354 --> 00:15:22,889 as well as the weirdest compliment 351 00:15:22,889 --> 00:15:24,240 you have ever received. 352 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,327 My name is Dan. Uh, my pronouns are he/him. 353 00:15:27,327 --> 00:15:29,529 I'm feeling excited today. 354 00:15:29,529 --> 00:15:30,730 And then the weirdest compliment 355 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:32,599 I think I've ever received... 356 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:34,567 I was in the online dating sphere, 357 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,437 and I've gotten the "you look much better in person." 358 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:39,239 - [ALL LAUGHING] - Oh, my God. 359 00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:42,800 Um... 360 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:43,677 If you wanna stand, you can, 361 00:15:43,677 --> 00:15:45,178 - totally, it's okay. - Okay, I'll just sit down. 362 00:15:45,178 --> 00:15:46,513 Uh, I'm Steven. 363 00:15:46,513 --> 00:15:48,848 Uh, pronouns, I'll... 364 00:15:50,383 --> 00:15:55,255 Um, I'm feeling excited, uh, nervous. 365 00:15:55,255 --> 00:15:56,322 WADE: Mm-hmm. 366 00:15:56,322 --> 00:15:57,924 Uh, present. 367 00:15:58,758 --> 00:16:00,560 A little hungry. [CHUCKLES] But... 368 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,128 The strangest compliment I've ever gotten 369 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:04,164 is I've been complimented, uh, 370 00:16:04,164 --> 00:16:06,566 on the number of Black friends that I have... 371 00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:07,901 WADE: Hmm. MATT: ...in the past. 372 00:16:07,901 --> 00:16:10,103 So, it's 17, um... 373 00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:12,305 it's a number, but, you know... 374 00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:13,807 Sometimes it comes up, but, um... 375 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:16,843 That's what people have said, so... 376 00:16:17,444 --> 00:16:18,445 WADE: Hmm. 377 00:16:19,179 --> 00:16:20,280 Thank you, everybody, 378 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,450 for being willing to participate 379 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,186 and for, first and foremost, being here. 380 00:16:26,186 --> 00:16:28,321 We will not end systemic racism. 381 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:31,791 It is not possible for us to dismantle a system 382 00:16:31,791 --> 00:16:34,127 that has been around for 400 years, 383 00:16:34,127 --> 00:16:36,529 and has effectively and efficiently 384 00:16:36,529 --> 00:16:38,798 destroyed the lives of millions of people. 385 00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:41,434 You all have been grandfathered into the system. 386 00:16:41,434 --> 00:16:43,360 We are here to focus on you 387 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,704 and your experience and your grief 388 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,140 because that is the source 389 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:50,377 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. 390 00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:52,112 And quite frankly, I pray to God 391 00:16:52,112 --> 00:16:53,446 you all feel this uncomfortable. 392 00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:58,685 I will be so happy if you all feel extremely uncomfortable, 393 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:01,821 if you are truly looking at what white supremacy 394 00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:04,190 has done to not only, um, 395 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:05,792 African Americans, but to yourselves. 396 00:17:05,792 --> 00:17:08,728 You are here to sit amidst whatever suffering 397 00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:10,730 and pain you are experiencing 398 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,666 for the sake of the liberation of others. 399 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,335 That is love. 400 00:17:15,335 --> 00:17:16,636 I don't know if any of you grew up 401 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,538 with a Christian background. I did. 402 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:20,306 [CHUCKLES] Uh... 403 00:17:20,306 --> 00:17:22,909 But love is also not always patient and kind. 404 00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:25,211 When we are talking about systemic oppression, 405 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:28,480 and the role that we are playing to mitigate it, 406 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,417 patience is not needed. 407 00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:32,152 People are dying. 408 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:35,588 Kindness is not what is called for. 409 00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:37,257 We are here to talk about the fact 410 00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,590 that Black Americans are not safe. 411 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:41,940 If I'm going to be quite frank, 412 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:43,129 when I do this work, and these types of circles, 413 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:44,264 I'm not safe. 414 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,320 But I do them out of necessity. 415 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,200 Why are you... 416 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:49,636 Why are you not safe in the circle? 417 00:17:49,636 --> 00:17:52,639 Being an African American 418 00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:56,976 in primarily white spaces is not safe for me mentally 419 00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:58,780 or emotionally. 420 00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:00,213 We will go into more depth about that, 421 00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:01,881 but I appreciate that question. 422 00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:04,951 These topics may be difficult, and at times, 423 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:08,555 you may feel overcome by emotions. That's okay. 424 00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:10,724 There is a room to the left. 425 00:18:10,724 --> 00:18:13,326 If you find that your emotions are, um, 426 00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:14,961 interfering with the group process, 427 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:17,970 I kindly ask you to step aside. 428 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:18,898 Um, so can we start with you? 429 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,404 I feel like I've been socialized to be an ***hole, 430 00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:25,905 and that doesn't feel good. 431 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,441 And my promise to the Black community 432 00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:30,643 is to lean into 433 00:18:30,643 --> 00:18:33,813 being brave and uncomfortable, 434 00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:36,683 and to love in inconvenient ways. 435 00:18:36,683 --> 00:18:37,784 Thank you. 436 00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:42,288 Well, I'm here on a journey towards 437 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:45,859 a brighter future, uh, for myself 438 00:18:45,859 --> 00:18:48,495 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. 439 00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:51,331 My promise to myself is love. 440 00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:53,199 To love myself. 441 00:18:54,601 --> 00:18:55,635 Which is so important, 442 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:57,170 and I've struggled so much with that. 443 00:18:57,871 --> 00:18:58,872 [SNIFFLES] 444 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:01,441 I've struggled so much with it 445 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:04,100 in my life, to find myself. Um... 446 00:19:04,778 --> 00:19:07,470 My promise to the Black communities... 447 00:19:07,470 --> 00:19:08,948 [SIGHS] to be so much better. 448 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:13,319 So much better than I have been to them. 449 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:17,123 To be better in so many better ways. 450 00:19:17,123 --> 00:19:20,260 To better myself. To better the world. 451 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,661 And I know that I haven't been better. 452 00:19:22,562 --> 00:19:23,563 I haven't been. 453 00:19:24,831 --> 00:19:25,999 But I'm going to be. 454 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,768 That's my promise. 455 00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:32,839 WADE: Thank you. 456 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:35,675 Oh. 457 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:41,848 I am here with the intention 458 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:43,883 to understand 459 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:47,687 and learn and, um... 460 00:19:51,124 --> 00:19:52,726 I forgot one other thing I wanted to promise 461 00:19:52,726 --> 00:19:53,927 - the Black community. - Um... 462 00:19:53,927 --> 00:19:55,895 It's really important that we don't interrupt 463 00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:56,963 each other during the group. 464 00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:58,198 - Oh, I'm sorry. - But I appreciate... 465 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:00,100 I have one other promise for the Black... 466 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:01,735 - We can circle back around. - Thank you. 467 00:20:01,735 --> 00:20:02,936 Are we going to circle back around? 468 00:20:02,936 --> 00:20:04,371 No. No. Uh... 469 00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:06,373 Other things will come up. That's part of the process. 470 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:07,974 But I want to be very sure 471 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:09,476 that we respect everybody's time. 472 00:20:09,476 --> 00:20:11,478 Okay. I didn't want someone else to take my promise 473 00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:12,946 to the Black community that I was gonna make. 474 00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,415 Well, thank you. Please continue. 475 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:18,618 The promise that I am making to myself 476 00:20:18,618 --> 00:20:20,720 is to be elastic. 477 00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:24,157 To use my voice and my privilege, 478 00:20:24,157 --> 00:20:25,658 to be heard. 479 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:26,760 Uh, to... 480 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,927 That's what I was gonna say, but... 481 00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:29,629 - Please allow her to finish. - Sorry. 482 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:32,632 If we think about the construction of whiteness 483 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:33,733 as an identity, 484 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:37,103 it makes sense that the seeds of white supremacy 485 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:38,905 are buried within your subconscious, 486 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,441 whether or not you realize it, and without your consent. 487 00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,145 It is often uncommon for white Americans 488 00:20:45,145 --> 00:20:47,447 to be aware of their privilege, 489 00:20:47,447 --> 00:20:50,216 let alone how it's functioning on a day-to-day basis. 490 00:20:50,216 --> 00:20:51,685 You said, a moment ago... 491 00:20:51,685 --> 00:20:53,853 - Um, there'll be an oppor... - Can I say something? 492 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:55,522 Uh, yes. Ask a question. 493 00:20:55,522 --> 00:20:56,623 You said, a moment ago, 494 00:20:56,623 --> 00:20:58,910 that the seeds of white supremacy 495 00:20:58,792 --> 00:21:00,894 - are in all of us. - Yes. 496 00:21:01,795 --> 00:21:03,496 How do we get them out? 497 00:21:03,496 --> 00:21:05,365 That's what the presentation... 498 00:21:05,365 --> 00:21:07,467 We're going through the presentation to discuss that. 499 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:08,702 If there is another interruption, 500 00:21:08,702 --> 00:21:10,403 I'm going to have to respectfully ask you 501 00:21:10,403 --> 00:21:13,206 to step out and go to the second room to the left. 502 00:21:13,206 --> 00:21:15,842 But next time, I am gonna have to ask you to leave, okay? 503 00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:17,210 Leave for good? 504 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:20,513 Just until you're able to rejoin the group 505 00:21:20,513 --> 00:21:22,916 and participate without interruption. 506 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:24,884 - Yeah? - That's fair. 507 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:25,985 Okay. Thank you. 508 00:21:26,553 --> 00:21:27,821 [EXHALES LOUDLY] 509 00:21:27,821 --> 00:21:31,324 White supremacy has essentially created a system 510 00:21:31,324 --> 00:21:32,926 driven by grief, 511 00:21:32,926 --> 00:21:35,862 and that is why we are here to discuss 512 00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:37,931 white grief in particular. 513 00:21:37,931 --> 00:21:40,600 I would like you to close your eyes 514 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:45,271 and spend the next 30 seconds 515 00:21:45,271 --> 00:21:46,873 thinking about, 516 00:21:46,873 --> 00:21:50,110 what does that loss feel like in your body? 517 00:21:51,244 --> 00:21:52,946 It feels like a thousand knives 518 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:55,810 plunging into my soul. 519 00:21:58,451 --> 00:21:59,953 And a sack being... 520 00:22:01,221 --> 00:22:03,957 hit by bats and bricks. 521 00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:08,280 And the whole sack is thrown into the ocean. 522 00:22:08,628 --> 00:22:09,763 Thank you. 523 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,310 That's what it feels like. 524 00:22:11,865 --> 00:22:13,330 And it's very... it's... 525 00:22:13,330 --> 00:22:14,367 - Oh, um... - What? 526 00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:15,635 We're moving to her now. 527 00:22:15,635 --> 00:22:17,637 I... I didn't finish. 528 00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:20,407 MATT: Um... 529 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:22,475 The sack's thrown into the ocean, 530 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:23,943 then the sack's taken out, 531 00:22:25,245 --> 00:22:26,713 and it's set on fire. 532 00:22:27,414 --> 00:22:28,548 [MATT SMACKS LIPS] 533 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:31,651 - Thank you. - That's what it feels like. 534 00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:35,422 I have spent a lot of time in primarily white spaces. 535 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:38,458 For better or worse. [LAUGHS] So... 536 00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:41,661 And that has come with a cost. 537 00:22:41,661 --> 00:22:43,430 How long will it take until 538 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:46,332 the next microaggression comes up? 539 00:22:46,332 --> 00:22:49,502 These are things that I carry every time 540 00:22:49,502 --> 00:22:53,600 I am in a room with primarily white people. 541 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,341 You're safe here. 542 00:22:54,341 --> 00:22:56,376 I think I speak for all of us when I say, 543 00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,111 in this room... 544 00:22:58,111 --> 00:22:59,179 WADE: I... 545 00:22:59,179 --> 00:23:00,847 - One more interruption... - White folks. 546 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:02,949 ...I'm gonna have to ask you to step out again. 547 00:23:02,949 --> 00:23:04,150 Okay. I just wanted to reassure you. 548 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:05,218 WADE: Thank you. I appreciate that. 549 00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:06,986 - I just want to. - Thanks. 550 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:10,490 So, what do you feel in your body 551 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:13,460 when you hear the term "white people"? 552 00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:15,795 I feel, like, a cringe about it. 553 00:23:15,795 --> 00:23:16,863 "Cringe" is a good word. 554 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:18,498 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, 555 00:23:18,498 --> 00:23:20,567 - but that's a very good one. - WADE: Okay. 556 00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:22,969 As soon as you asked the question, I felt, 557 00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:24,504 inside, like a gut... 558 00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:27,474 a little bit of a poke. "Ugh." 559 00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:28,908 And I think it's for all of the reasons, 560 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,910 - but also a little anger... - WADE: Mm-hmm. 561 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,179 ...at whiteness as, um, that lie. 562 00:23:33,179 --> 00:23:34,247 Just, "ugh!" 563 00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:36,349 - WADE: Mm-hmm. Thank you. - [MATT SNICKERS] 564 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:39,519 - [MUMBLES] - WADE: The thing about... 565 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:40,720 I'm gonna step out for a moment. 566 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,255 Thank you. Appreciate that. 567 00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:46,159 The thing about... 568 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,228 MATT: Which one is the cry room? 569 00:23:48,228 --> 00:23:50,300 The second door to the left. 570 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:51,970 Thank you. 571 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,534 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 572 00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:55,769 MATT: My time in the cry room 573 00:23:55,769 --> 00:23:59,720 allowed me some much-needed reflection and self-care, 574 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,174 but with me out of the room, 575 00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:03,276 the group put two and two together and realized 576 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,780 who I actually was. 577 00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:06,179 Not a guy named Steven. 578 00:24:08,548 --> 00:24:10,216 When I finally returned, 579 00:24:10,216 --> 00:24:12,619 things were drastically different. 580 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:16,456 When I do this work, the, uh, white participants 581 00:24:16,456 --> 00:24:18,725 in the group feel that there's something in themselves 582 00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:20,160 - that they have to overcome. - [DOOR OPENS] 583 00:24:20,727 --> 00:24:21,895 When all that's 584 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,496 - being requested of you... - [CLEARS THROAT] 585 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,832 ...is that you be. 586 00:24:25,832 --> 00:24:27,300 - Hello. - MATT: Hi. 587 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,568 WADE: How are you? 588 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:31,338 - Sorry about that. - Oh, no problem. 589 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:33,940 - You good? - Yeah. 590 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,175 Remind me of your name again? 591 00:24:35,175 --> 00:24:37,577 Uh... Uh, Steven. 592 00:24:37,577 --> 00:24:39,179 Steven? Yeah? Okay. 593 00:24:39,179 --> 00:24:40,347 Um... 594 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:43,416 - Did you want to come up? - Come up? 595 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,586 Yeah. Do you wanna come up and share anything? 596 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,288 Sure. What do you want me to share? 597 00:24:48,288 --> 00:24:49,656 Whatever's on your mind. 598 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:51,324 I just want to know that, like, my physical safety 599 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:54,260 and yours and everybody else's here is okay. 600 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:56,363 Why would your physical safety not be okay? 601 00:24:56,363 --> 00:24:57,497 Did I miss something? 602 00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:02,836 I don't feel comfortable. 603 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,672 What... Can you guys 604 00:25:05,672 --> 00:25:07,107 catch me up to speed on what's going on here? 605 00:25:07,107 --> 00:25:08,274 You don't need to be caught up. 606 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,110 We're gonna be silent. 607 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:12,445 Is it because I said I had 17 Black friends? 608 00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:14,381 It might have been 15. I... 609 00:25:14,381 --> 00:25:15,815 It depends on how you count them. 610 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:19,953 I would really appreciate it if you left, 611 00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:22,222 so that the people who actually want to be here 612 00:25:22,222 --> 00:25:23,790 and deserve to be here can get what they need. 613 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:25,725 - I do want to be here. - Can you please leave? 614 00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:27,293 I would like it if you left. 615 00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:28,962 I'm trying to learn. I'm on this journey. 616 00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:30,830 Come with me. 617 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:32,198 - Well... - WADE: Thank you. 618 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:34,901 I didn't... I didn't consent to be touched. 619 00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:36,536 I'm not offering to touch you. 620 00:25:36,536 --> 00:25:37,804 I'm offering to walk you out. 621 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,906 Will you walk with me, and I'll answer your questions? 622 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:42,800 Okay. I'll admit it. 623 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,810 I'll admit it. My name's not Steven. 624 00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:45,780 WADE: Hmm. 625 00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:47,800 Maybe you already knew that. 626 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,181 My name is Matt Walsh. 627 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:53,920 I just was here on this... 628 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,189 on this journey that I'm just starting, but... 629 00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:58,591 I see that I'm not wanted. 630 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,260 If you were on your journey, 631 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:01,528 then you would've told us who you were 632 00:26:01,528 --> 00:26:02,896 and your real name, but you didn't. 633 00:26:02,896 --> 00:26:03,963 - Please leave. - Are you saying 634 00:26:03,963 --> 00:26:05,298 I need a better disguise? Is that what you... 635 00:26:05,298 --> 00:26:06,633 I don't know. Maybe. 636 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:08,134 But you can figure that out as you walk out the door. 637 00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:09,235 WOMAN 1: How did you get in here? 638 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:10,470 WOMAN 2: We all had an invitation. 639 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:12,605 - Maybe. - Yeah. Maybe. 640 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,740 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 641 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:15,141 MATT: Thank you so much. 642 00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:18,445 I really had a transformative experience myself. 643 00:26:18,445 --> 00:26:20,580 And my pronouns are he/him. 644 00:26:27,387 --> 00:26:29,456 [INDISTINCT POLICE RADIO CHATTER] 645 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:33,159 I did everything I could to fit in. 646 00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:34,260 I opened up. 647 00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:36,930 I was raw and emotional. 648 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:38,965 I told them about my Black friends. 649 00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:42,135 It was no use. They rejected me. 650 00:26:42,135 --> 00:26:43,570 And they called the police. 651 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:47,700 My mere presence in the room caused them pain. 652 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:48,808 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 653 00:26:52,812 --> 00:26:54,347 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, 654 00:26:54,347 --> 00:26:56,349 I'll always be an outsider. 655 00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:59,285 I need to go deeper undercover. 656 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:00,820 A whole new identity. 657 00:27:01,454 --> 00:27:04,900 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one. 658 00:27:04,924 --> 00:27:06,826 Like someone who is progressive, 659 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,862 tolerant, enlightened. 660 00:27:08,862 --> 00:27:10,196 Let me think. 661 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:13,199 Have I ever met anyone like that? 662 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:15,335 Ah, yes. 663 00:27:15,335 --> 00:27:16,469 Yes, I have. 664 00:27:18,271 --> 00:27:19,372 What is a woman? 665 00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:25,812 Why do you ask that question? 666 00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:28,815 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 667 00:27:42,996 --> 00:27:44,230 [MUSIC FADING OUT] 668 00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:51,871 It's time to get serious about my anti-racist training. 669 00:27:52,539 --> 00:27:53,573 And it's not gonna be cheap. 670 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,775 - Nice to meet you. - I'm Matt. How are you? 671 00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:57,177 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 672 00:27:57,177 --> 00:27:58,845 I guess I'll take my seat here. 673 00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:01,915 [HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING, DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY] 674 00:28:02,382 --> 00:28:04,284 [RAPPING] ♪ I'ma show ya'll how to stop being racist ♪ 675 00:28:04,284 --> 00:28:05,585 ♪ You gotta do the work though ♪ 676 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,388 BYRD: What is race? 677 00:28:08,388 --> 00:28:11,240 ♪ Okay, don't be a bigot Post a black square ♪ 678 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,259 ♪ Drink Bud Light Put blue dye in your hair ♪ 679 00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:14,728 ♪ Tell your sons to put on a dress ♪ 680 00:28:14,728 --> 00:28:16,963 ♪ Who cares what they wear? Ukraine flag in bio ♪ 681 00:28:16,963 --> 00:28:18,365 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ 682 00:28:24,404 --> 00:28:26,573 MATT: Did race exist as a reality before? 683 00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:28,575 We made race exist. 684 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,778 ♪ Don't be early for work, that's white supremacy ♪ 685 00:28:31,778 --> 00:28:34,800 ♪ And if you drink, make sure it's Hennessy ♪ 686 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,583 ♪ Math is racist too, so check the history ♪ 687 00:28:36,583 --> 00:28:38,718 ♪ And if you don't see it, then check your memory ♪ 688 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,988 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 689 00:28:41,988 --> 00:28:44,758 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 690 00:28:44,758 --> 00:28:47,160 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 691 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,595 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ 692 00:28:48,595 --> 00:28:49,796 ♪ Do the work, work, work ♪ 693 00:28:49,796 --> 00:28:52,980 Now that we've talked a little bit about what race is, 694 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,567 then what is racism? 695 00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:57,170 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 696 00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:59,639 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 697 00:28:59,639 --> 00:29:01,408 Robin DiAngelo, so she's the author 698 00:29:01,408 --> 00:29:02,676 of the book, White Fragility. 699 00:29:03,743 --> 00:29:05,745 She talks about the system of racism 700 00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:09,150 that we have in the US is based on white supremacy. 701 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:10,984 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 702 00:29:10,984 --> 00:29:13,653 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 703 00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:17,900 This is why a conversation about reparations 704 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:18,825 and about repair is important. 705 00:29:21,928 --> 00:29:24,597 Ultimately, should we be a colorblind society is what 706 00:29:24,597 --> 00:29:27,000 Martin Luther King said, not to judge people 707 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,368 by the color of their skin. 708 00:29:28,368 --> 00:29:30,303 Um, so Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff, 709 00:29:30,303 --> 00:29:31,738 but he knew about institutional, 710 00:29:31,738 --> 00:29:33,373 interpersonal and internalized racism. 711 00:29:33,373 --> 00:29:36,309 I've been told, because I'm a white male, 712 00:29:36,309 --> 00:29:38,411 I'm kind of at the top of the pile. 713 00:29:38,411 --> 00:29:40,413 How do I get down from the top 714 00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:42,582 if I say I don't want that advantage? 715 00:29:42,582 --> 00:29:43,717 Um... 716 00:29:43,717 --> 00:29:45,585 I don't think you necessarily can. 717 00:29:45,585 --> 00:29:47,821 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] 718 00:29:50,357 --> 00:29:53,326 The reason we cannot be colorblind now 719 00:29:53,326 --> 00:29:56,196 is because we're still working on the problem. 720 00:29:56,663 --> 00:29:59,990 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 721 00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:01,601 ♪ Let go of your white privilege, do the work ♪ 722 00:30:01,601 --> 00:30:03,870 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 723 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:06,706 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 724 00:30:06,706 --> 00:30:08,875 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 725 00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:11,177 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 726 00:30:18,451 --> 00:30:20,620 [LIGHT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 727 00:30:21,955 --> 00:30:23,890 I'm DEI certified. How are you? 728 00:30:24,758 --> 00:30:26,426 DEI certified. I'm here to help. 729 00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:29,596 DEI certified. If you need some help, let me know, sir. 730 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:35,702 I'm DEI certified. 731 00:30:35,702 --> 00:30:36,770 - What? - What? 732 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:38,371 Let me know if you need some help. I'm DEI certified. 733 00:30:38,371 --> 00:30:39,439 Oh, good. 734 00:30:39,439 --> 00:30:40,940 If you need any help, just let me know. 735 00:30:41,574 --> 00:30:43,777 My name's Matt. I am, uh, certified 736 00:30:43,777 --> 00:30:45,612 in diversity, equity, and inclusion. 737 00:30:45,612 --> 00:30:47,747 Just got my certification. 738 00:30:49,816 --> 00:30:52,485 - DEI certified. - What is DEI? 739 00:30:52,485 --> 00:30:54,621 You're in good hands here. I am qualified to have 740 00:30:54,621 --> 00:30:56,489 these kinds of important dialogues. 741 00:30:56,489 --> 00:30:57,590 So I guess I'll start with, 742 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:59,993 where are you guys in your anti-racist journeys? 743 00:31:01,461 --> 00:31:03,797 Just talk to me about, uh, decentering your whiteness 744 00:31:03,797 --> 00:31:05,432 and where you are on that journey. 745 00:31:05,432 --> 00:31:07,634 -"Decentering my whiteness." - Yeah. 746 00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:10,837 Why do I have to go away from my whiteness 747 00:31:10,837 --> 00:31:12,172 and decentralize it? 748 00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:15,108 I recently actually took a masters level course, 749 00:31:15,108 --> 00:31:17,377 um, about inclusion and diversity. 750 00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:19,479 Have you heard of DiversityAndInclusion.com? 751 00:31:19,479 --> 00:31:21,140 I have not. 752 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:22,449 Couple of different prestigious institutions. 753 00:31:22,449 --> 00:31:24,351 We all go to different schools, but go ahead. 754 00:31:24,351 --> 00:31:26,353 There were some things that, 755 00:31:26,353 --> 00:31:29,220 you know, kind of brought to my thought process 756 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:30,690 during that course that I had never... 757 00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:31,958 - Like what? - ...thought about before. 758 00:31:31,958 --> 00:31:34,994 Um, just about my own thinking. 759 00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,397 When you start thinking about how you feel, 760 00:31:37,397 --> 00:31:38,665 but you maybe don't want to feel. 761 00:31:38,665 --> 00:31:40,133 [CHUCKLES] Does that make sense? 762 00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:42,635 It does make sense. What do you mean? 763 00:31:42,635 --> 00:31:43,703 Um... 764 00:31:43,703 --> 00:31:45,505 All I know is that, like, 765 00:31:45,505 --> 00:31:48,375 I am white, and I am not racist. 766 00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:50,143 That's how we, uh, deal with racism? 767 00:31:50,143 --> 00:31:52,479 We just... We just say, "Oh, it's not happening." 768 00:31:52,479 --> 00:31:54,147 Yeah, the more you talk about it, 769 00:31:54,147 --> 00:31:58,251 the more you are blatantly acknowledging race. 770 00:31:58,251 --> 00:31:59,719 And if you wanna forget it... 771 00:31:59,719 --> 00:32:01,521 - We have to acknowledge it. - You need to shut up about it. 772 00:32:01,521 --> 00:32:02,655 I don't want to forget about it. 773 00:32:02,655 --> 00:32:04,924 It's cool, like, you can flash your card all you want, 774 00:32:04,924 --> 00:32:07,270 but you gotta be a real human at some point in your life. 775 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:08,495 - Did you see the card? - I don't give a damn 776 00:32:08,495 --> 00:32:10,163 - about your card, bro. - Let's see it. 777 00:32:10,163 --> 00:32:12,165 Look, we're not gonna solve racism in this conversation, 778 00:32:12,165 --> 00:32:13,700 but we can all agree 779 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,435 that you guys have some things to learn. 780 00:32:15,435 --> 00:32:17,671 I feel like you're the most racist person 781 00:32:17,671 --> 00:32:19,673 - I've ever talked to. - [CHUCKLES] 782 00:32:19,673 --> 00:32:22,375 One of us got the license, the other one didn't, so... 783 00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:25,545 You just sound like a really racist person. 784 00:32:25,545 --> 00:32:27,130 That I am. I've realized that. 785 00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:28,882 - I've been told that. - Why do you admit that? 786 00:32:28,882 --> 00:32:31,170 Because denying it doesn't make it go away. 787 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:32,552 We can't all be certified experts. 788 00:32:32,552 --> 00:32:34,540 - [CHUCKLES] - I mean, I am, 789 00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:36,122 - but we can't all be. - [BOTH LAUGH] 790 00:32:36,623 --> 00:32:37,624 All right. 791 00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:39,292 We're still on a journey, all of us together. 792 00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:41,610 - Yeah. - That's my motto. 793 00:32:41,728 --> 00:32:43,863 I think you got some journeying to do. 794 00:32:44,898 --> 00:32:46,132 MATT: I know I make this look easy, 795 00:32:46,132 --> 00:32:49,690 but DEI work is harder than you think. 796 00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:50,804 I still have a lot to learn. 797 00:32:52,339 --> 00:32:53,973 A viral video from September 798 00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:57,143 at ASU's multi-cultural center ignited a firestorm. 799 00:32:57,143 --> 00:32:59,346 - What'd I do wrong? - WOMAN 1: You have a bag... 800 00:32:59,346 --> 00:33:01,140 WOMAN 2: You're... You're offensive. 801 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,449 You're making this space uncomfortable. 802 00:33:02,449 --> 00:33:03,516 ...uncomfortable. 803 00:33:03,516 --> 00:33:04,751 WOMAN 2: But you're white. 804 00:33:04,751 --> 00:33:07,487 This white man thinks he can take up our space, 805 00:33:07,487 --> 00:33:09,656 and this is why we need a multi-cultural space. 806 00:33:09,656 --> 00:33:12,759 You are racist! Your sticker's racist because 807 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,327 you can choose to be a cop, 808 00:33:14,327 --> 00:33:16,663 you can choose to kill people with a badge, 809 00:33:16,663 --> 00:33:18,131 and you're protecting that shit, 810 00:33:18,131 --> 00:33:20,300 which means that you're racist! 811 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,502 MATT: Meet the charming young lady from that video. 812 00:33:22,502 --> 00:33:23,670 Sarra Tekola. 813 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:26,390 Founding member of Black Lives Matter, Phoenix. 814 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:29,476 She has a Ph.D. in Sustainability, which means 815 00:33:29,476 --> 00:33:31,378 something really important, I'm sure. 816 00:33:31,378 --> 00:33:34,547 She's agreed to help me learn how to decolonize myself. 817 00:33:34,547 --> 00:33:36,850 For a $1,500 fee, of course. 818 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:38,284 So let's just get this kicked off. 819 00:33:38,284 --> 00:33:40,320 I'm a white guy myself. 820 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,220 What's up with white people? 821 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:43,690 Um, where do we start? 822 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:45,225 Let me reframe the question a little bit. 823 00:33:45,225 --> 00:33:48,228 What's wrong with white people? 824 00:33:48,228 --> 00:33:50,864 A lot of it has to do with cognitive dissidence 825 00:33:50,864 --> 00:33:53,967 which allows, um, white people 826 00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:55,669 to feel okay about what happened. 827 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:59,239 There's actually a lot of studies on Nazi doctors, 828 00:33:59,239 --> 00:34:03,710 and how they were able to, um, live with themselves. 829 00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:06,913 Um, and it's not that much different than white Americans 830 00:34:06,913 --> 00:34:09,382 or white people around the world, right? 831 00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:11,317 It's this splitting of the self. 832 00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:12,552 And so, um, 833 00:34:12,552 --> 00:34:15,321 you have this part of you that knows 834 00:34:15,321 --> 00:34:17,991 that they did wrong, the shadow self, 835 00:34:17,991 --> 00:34:19,659 and that you have to split that. 836 00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:21,494 And you have the other self that's like, 837 00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:23,329 "Oh, I didn't do anything wrong. 838 00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:24,731 "Racism? Why are you blaming me 839 00:34:24,731 --> 00:34:27,567 "for what my ancestors did? It's not my fault." 840 00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:30,203 Is racism inherent to whiteness? 841 00:34:30,203 --> 00:34:31,538 I would say so. 842 00:34:31,538 --> 00:34:33,573 I would say that we need to abolish whiteness. 843 00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:36,609 It's always been rooted in othering the other people 844 00:34:36,609 --> 00:34:38,211 who don't fit into whiteness, 845 00:34:38,211 --> 00:34:40,460 but when we look at white culture, 846 00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:41,948 the only thing about white culture 847 00:34:41,948 --> 00:34:44,718 is buying things and stealing things. 848 00:34:44,718 --> 00:34:45,952 How do I... 849 00:34:46,986 --> 00:34:49,956 confront my shadow, my shadow self? 850 00:34:49,956 --> 00:34:52,425 Acknowledging the parts of you that are racist, 851 00:34:52,425 --> 00:34:54,794 and then being able to unpack and unlearn those. 852 00:34:54,794 --> 00:34:56,129 Could I say, if someone called me racist, 853 00:34:56,129 --> 00:34:57,430 could I say, "Well, I'm not racist." 854 00:34:57,430 --> 00:35:00,100 "My shadow self is, but I'm not"? 855 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,568 It's the splitting of the self. 856 00:35:01,568 --> 00:35:03,770 Like I said in the beginning about Nazi doctors. 857 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,339 The fact that you have two selves is a problem. 858 00:35:06,339 --> 00:35:08,508 The more that you can merge it together, 859 00:35:08,508 --> 00:35:10,577 then you could be able to acknowledge these dark sides. 860 00:35:10,577 --> 00:35:11,911 But I don't want to merge it, 861 00:35:11,911 --> 00:35:13,279 because the shadow self is racist, 862 00:35:13,279 --> 00:35:16,820 so I don't want to be merged, right? I want to... 863 00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:17,617 - separate. - No. You have to. 864 00:35:17,617 --> 00:35:20,186 Yeah, because, uh, the thing is, 865 00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:22,188 when you don't merge them together, 866 00:35:22,188 --> 00:35:24,591 your shadow self is out here being racist, 867 00:35:24,591 --> 00:35:26,260 and you're not even aware of it, 868 00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:27,494 because that self, right... 869 00:35:27,494 --> 00:35:29,596 So I gotta pull him in. I gotta merge him with mine. 870 00:35:29,596 --> 00:35:31,931 - Yeah. - But then make it all... 871 00:35:31,931 --> 00:35:32,999 - Yeah. - ...not racist. 872 00:35:32,999 --> 00:35:34,334 Yes. 873 00:35:34,334 --> 00:35:37,604 I'm wondering, where do I go from here as an individual 874 00:35:39,205 --> 00:35:41,141 on this anti-racist journey? 875 00:35:41,141 --> 00:35:42,776 You just know whose land you're on. 876 00:35:42,776 --> 00:35:44,711 Our existence as Americans 877 00:35:44,711 --> 00:35:46,780 is predicated on other people's suffering. 878 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:48,281 Learn about who is suffering 879 00:35:51,317 --> 00:35:53,720 It is important to feel bad, 880 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,356 um, about what your ancestors did. 881 00:35:56,356 --> 00:35:58,358 - Embrace the pain. - Yes. 882 00:35:58,358 --> 00:36:00,894 [DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 883 00:36:02,295 --> 00:36:04,631 MATT: To be a good ally, I need to be an activist. 884 00:36:04,631 --> 00:36:08,340 Our nation is littered with relics from our racist past. 885 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:10,403 I'm on a mission to right historical wrongs. 886 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:12,605 I needed some help, so I asked Ben, 887 00:36:12,605 --> 00:36:14,741 one of my 17 Black friends, 888 00:36:14,741 --> 00:36:17,844 to join me on my quest to change the world. 889 00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:18,912 We have a petition. 890 00:36:18,912 --> 00:36:21,381 Uh, we're hoping that maybe you'd be willing to sign it. 891 00:36:21,381 --> 00:36:22,615 We have a petition. We want to rename 892 00:36:22,615 --> 00:36:23,717 the George Washington Monument. 893 00:36:23,717 --> 00:36:24,784 To? 894 00:36:24,784 --> 00:36:26,853 MATT: To the George Floyd Monument. 895 00:36:27,787 --> 00:36:28,788 Because, of course, 896 00:36:28,788 --> 00:36:30,560 George Washington was a slave owner. 897 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,458 - Yep. - And so in some ways, 898 00:36:31,458 --> 00:36:33,693 this is symbolic. Symmetry, it's George for George, 899 00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:35,362 you might say. Would you mind signing? 900 00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:37,464 - I don't see why not. I will. - Okay. 901 00:36:37,464 --> 00:36:38,598 - Yeah. Sure. - Yeah. 902 00:36:38,598 --> 00:36:40,660 Oh, man. I love that. 903 00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:41,901 We're talking about painting it black. 904 00:36:41,901 --> 00:36:43,536 We're gonna raise it 30%, 905 00:36:43,536 --> 00:36:45,472 um, increasing it in height. 906 00:36:45,472 --> 00:36:46,606 Excuse me, sir. 907 00:36:47,574 --> 00:36:49,642 Sir, we have a petition. Sir? 908 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:52,712 For historical inequities to redress... 909 00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:54,214 Is there a Black person around here? 910 00:36:54,214 --> 00:36:56,490 I would hug them and apologize to them 911 00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:57,217 all day long for what happened. 912 00:36:57,217 --> 00:36:58,485 There's a Black person right here. 913 00:36:58,485 --> 00:36:59,619 Does he not exist? 914 00:36:59,619 --> 00:37:01,588 I'm sorry. I just didn't look that direction. 915 00:37:01,988 --> 00:37:03,823 Sounds like you're in the habit of overlooking 916 00:37:03,823 --> 00:37:04,958 marginalized communities. 917 00:37:05,325 --> 00:37:06,326 Brother. 918 00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:09,162 You are an American. I love you. 919 00:37:09,162 --> 00:37:11,898 I'm sorry for what happened in the past. I really am. 920 00:37:11,898 --> 00:37:12,966 Let's just sign it and move on. 921 00:37:12,966 --> 00:37:14,834 You don't have an opinion, but you'll sign it anyway? 922 00:37:14,834 --> 00:37:16,403 If that's what you'd like me to, I can help. 923 00:37:16,403 --> 00:37:18,505 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. 924 00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:19,739 Yeah. Thank you so much. 925 00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:21,441 - Sign here? - Yes. Absolutely. 926 00:37:21,441 --> 00:37:23,243 I think it's a beautiful idea. 927 00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:24,310 You think it's a beautiful idea? 928 00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:25,412 I do. 929 00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:28,948 MATT: We've got an encouraging number of signatures so far. 930 00:37:28,948 --> 00:37:30,183 We have a petition for the... 931 00:37:30,183 --> 00:37:31,685 to redress historical inequities. 932 00:37:31,685 --> 00:37:33,286 Would you mind signing it? 933 00:37:33,286 --> 00:37:34,354 - You will? - [CAR HORN HONKING] 934 00:37:34,354 --> 00:37:36,790 Uh, we want to rename the George Washington Monument 935 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:38,258 to the George Floyd Monument. 936 00:37:38,258 --> 00:37:39,693 [CAR HORN BLARES] 937 00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:40,794 Thank you so much. 938 00:37:40,794 --> 00:37:41,961 Would you be willing to? 939 00:37:43,196 --> 00:37:44,497 I can't agree with that. 940 00:37:44,497 --> 00:37:46,833 - Will you sign it? - No. [CHUCKLES] 941 00:37:46,833 --> 00:37:48,368 So are you gonna erase all of them? 942 00:37:48,368 --> 00:37:49,769 Yes. 943 00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:51,171 No. [SNIFFS] 944 00:37:51,171 --> 00:37:52,839 - Can you sign it anyway? - Nope. 945 00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:55,475 MATT: Getting people to agree 946 00:37:55,475 --> 00:37:57,430 to change the George Washington Monument 947 00:37:57,430 --> 00:38:00,313 to the George Floyd Monument seemed ambitious. 948 00:38:00,313 --> 00:38:01,514 I'm pleasantly surprised 949 00:38:01,514 --> 00:38:04,150 people are willing to erase our problematic history. 950 00:38:04,884 --> 00:38:07,487 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 951 00:38:11,224 --> 00:38:12,992 WOMAN ON TV: I spend way too much time cleaning. 952 00:38:12,992 --> 00:38:14,494 MAN ON TV: Oh, the broom shaka lakas 953 00:38:14,494 --> 00:38:15,562 - for more than just... - [FLIPS CHANNELS] 954 00:38:15,562 --> 00:38:17,163 WOMAN 2: It's come with a full 60-day... 955 00:38:17,163 --> 00:38:20,667 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out 956 00:38:20,667 --> 00:38:23,670 entitled Destructing Karen . 957 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:26,940 REGINA JACKSON: How many of you would trade places 958 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:28,908 with a Black person in this society? 959 00:38:28,908 --> 00:38:30,377 Raise your hand. 960 00:38:30,377 --> 00:38:32,445 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 961 00:38:35,882 --> 00:38:38,184 DR. PHIL: Today, on an all-new Dr. Phil , 962 00:38:38,184 --> 00:38:41,187 Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 963 00:38:41,187 --> 00:38:43,790 Now, they are co-founders of Race 2 Dinner. 964 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:47,270 What did you expect at these dinners? 965 00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:49,396 Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. 966 00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:51,931 Some women are ready to do the work. 967 00:38:51,931 --> 00:38:54,300 But pretty much when they come to the dinners, 968 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,403 "It's not me. I'm not racist." 969 00:38:56,403 --> 00:38:57,771 MATT: Hold on a minute. 970 00:38:57,771 --> 00:38:59,773 I've heard of these ladies before. 971 00:38:59,773 --> 00:39:02,709 Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 972 00:39:02,709 --> 00:39:04,644 Basically, this book is saying, like, 973 00:39:04,644 --> 00:39:07,480 "We need to stop being nice about racism." 974 00:39:08,281 --> 00:39:10,830 MATT: Stop being nice about racism? 975 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:11,384 What a concept! 976 00:39:11,918 --> 00:39:14,654 Apparently, you just pay these ladies thousands of dollars 977 00:39:14,654 --> 00:39:16,723 to come over for dinner and call you racist. 978 00:39:18,580 --> 00:39:19,590 It's genius! 979 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:22,562 I absolutely need to attend one of these dinners. 980 00:39:22,562 --> 00:39:24,330 But there's a big problem. 981 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:26,766 Only white women are allowed to attend. 982 00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,269 Why do white women get to have all the fun? 983 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,306 I need to find another way to earn a seat at the table. 984 00:39:33,306 --> 00:39:35,642 [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 985 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,395 - [MUSIC ENDS] - JACKSON: Okay. 986 00:39:55,395 --> 00:39:58,998 So, at these dinners, we only have one rule. 987 00:39:58,998 --> 00:40:02,502 And the rule is that if you have to cry, 988 00:40:02,502 --> 00:40:03,970 you have to leave the table. 989 00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:07,407 Generally, we will have the host just set up a room, 990 00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,709 you know, with lots of tissue 991 00:40:09,709 --> 00:40:10,877 - and everything... - [ALL CHUCKLE] 992 00:40:10,877 --> 00:40:13,646 ...so you can go in there and sob your heart out. 993 00:40:13,646 --> 00:40:15,648 When a white woman starts crying, 994 00:40:15,648 --> 00:40:18,351 it draws all the attention 995 00:40:19,419 --> 00:40:20,754 JACKSON: ...onto that poor, 996 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:22,220 - white woman. - Yeah. 997 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:25,492 Even the language of whiteness softens everything. 998 00:40:25,492 --> 00:40:27,761 White fragility, so what that is, is... 999 00:40:27,761 --> 00:40:29,529 And by the way, a white woman, 1000 00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:31,598 you know, your hero, Robin DiAngelo, 1001 00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:32,932 coined that term, 1002 00:40:32,932 --> 00:40:34,340 and it's for when people... 1003 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:35,602 when Black and brown people talk about racism 1004 00:40:35,602 --> 00:40:39,720 and then white people get upset, you know, angry, 1005 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:40,774 and then deflect the conversation. 1006 00:40:40,774 --> 00:40:43,276 By not wanting to address your racism 1007 00:40:43,276 --> 00:40:45,110 and your white supremacy, 1008 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,346 that is upholding white supremacy. 1009 00:40:46,346 --> 00:40:50,830 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language 1010 00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:52,520 to describe your violent behavior 1011 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,890 is couched in ways to make you all seem delicate. 1012 00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:58,458 JACKSON: And to make you comfortable. 1013 00:40:58,458 --> 00:40:59,759 RAO: So... 1014 00:41:00,427 --> 00:41:02,228 tell us one instance 1015 00:41:02,228 --> 00:41:06,132 that your racism has shown up recently. 1016 00:41:06,132 --> 00:41:07,934 And that's either something 1017 00:41:07,934 --> 00:41:09,436 - you did... - Didn't do. 1018 00:41:09,436 --> 00:41:12,572 ...thought or an action. 1019 00:41:12,572 --> 00:41:14,341 WOMAN 1: So, my husband's Black, 1020 00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:18,478 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. 1021 00:41:18,478 --> 00:41:20,213 Like, if I'm out in public, 1022 00:41:20,213 --> 00:41:22,582 and he's, like, really loud or something 1023 00:41:22,582 --> 00:41:24,840 and I'll shush him. 1024 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,352 Why do you do that? 1025 00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:28,922 Uh, usually because we're in a space 1026 00:41:28,922 --> 00:41:31,257 that I think should be quiet, which is probably 1027 00:41:31,257 --> 00:41:33,426 my white supremacy talking. 1028 00:41:33,426 --> 00:41:35,862 So, that's basically tone policing 1029 00:41:35,862 --> 00:41:37,664 - a Black person... - JACKSON: Mm-hmm. 1030 00:41:37,664 --> 00:41:38,932 RAO: ...who happens to be your husband. 1031 00:41:38,932 --> 00:41:41,301 - WOMAN 1: Yeah. - Okay. Who's next? 1032 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,537 WOMAN 2: This one mom starts going on about 1033 00:41:44,537 --> 00:41:47,340 how her white son is so screwed. 1034 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:50,176 Been rejected here, and "white boy, white boy." 1035 00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:52,145 All right, white entitlement, white centering, 1036 00:41:52,145 --> 00:41:54,447 tone policing, white silence. 1037 00:41:54,447 --> 00:41:56,783 White women owned slaves. 1038 00:41:57,684 --> 00:41:59,520 Period. That's what it is. 1039 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,653 Let's be clear what's happening in this country. 1040 00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:02,188 - It's Nazism. - Yeah. 1041 00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:04,190 RAO: Republicans are Nazis. 1042 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:05,892 I assume it sounds like everyone here 1043 00:42:05,892 --> 00:42:07,627 is probably not a Republican. I might be wrong. 1044 00:42:07,627 --> 00:42:08,728 Am I wrong about the... 1045 00:42:08,728 --> 00:42:10,797 Is there any Republican at this table? 1046 00:42:10,797 --> 00:42:13,233 You cannot separate yourselves 1047 00:42:13,233 --> 00:42:15,735 - from the bad white people. - [DOOR CREAKS] 1048 00:42:16,469 --> 00:42:18,304 The proliferation of guns has happened 1049 00:42:18,304 --> 00:42:20,373 every time whites feel terrified 1050 00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:21,474 of Black and brown people, 1051 00:42:21,474 --> 00:42:23,430 which is literally every 10 seconds, 1052 00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:26,312 but also, um, when there's an event like Obama. 1053 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:29,215 Like COVID-19. Like George Floyd. Thank you. 1054 00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:30,617 Um... 1055 00:42:30,617 --> 00:42:32,519 You've been killing all of us, right? 1056 00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:34,688 Primarily Black folks, and we're just right behind. 1057 00:42:34,688 --> 00:42:36,222 Right? There's the hierarchy. 1058 00:42:36,222 --> 00:42:39,159 Whiteness is even more insidious than I... 1059 00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,461 than I even knew even a year ago. 1060 00:42:41,461 --> 00:42:43,329 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 1061 00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:44,864 You know, you all have gave up 1062 00:42:44,864 --> 00:42:47,300 your reproductive health rights without... 1063 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,350 You wouldn't even get off your Peloton bike 1064 00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:51,404 for 10 minutes to go protest that. 1065 00:42:51,404 --> 00:42:52,505 MATT: Did you want a second roll? 1066 00:42:52,505 --> 00:42:54,374 No, thank you. Oh, okay. I'm good. 1067 00:42:54,374 --> 00:42:56,876 JACKSON: Black people know 1068 00:42:56,876 --> 00:42:59,346 that white people believe they need their guns 1069 00:42:59,346 --> 00:43:01,648 to protect yourselves from us. 1070 00:43:01,648 --> 00:43:05,552 We've decided that it's okay for the Second Amendment, 1071 00:43:05,552 --> 00:43:08,521 which is literally synonymous with white supremacy, 1072 00:43:08,521 --> 00:43:09,856 to be our bible. 1073 00:43:09,856 --> 00:43:11,391 MATT: [WHISPERS] You want some? 1074 00:43:11,391 --> 00:43:13,893 This is what anti-racism is. 1075 00:43:13,893 --> 00:43:15,729 It's actually what anti-whiteness is. 1076 00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:20,266 - It has to burn. - Mm-hmm. 1077 00:43:20,266 --> 00:43:22,680 The entire system has to burn. 1078 00:43:23,236 --> 00:43:24,704 And I'm not looking to you to save this country. 1079 00:43:24,704 --> 00:43:26,720 This country is not worth saving. 1080 00:43:27,207 --> 00:43:28,274 This country is a piece of shit. 1081 00:43:28,274 --> 00:43:30,210 - [PLATES CRASH] - Oh, my goodness! 1082 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:32,445 MATT: Oh, sorry. 1083 00:43:34,447 --> 00:43:36,820 RAO: Um, but yes. 1084 00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:40,220 Uh, aren't you all tired of living like this? Seriously. 1085 00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:41,321 I mean, I used to be a white woman. 1086 00:43:41,321 --> 00:43:43,423 - An unsuccessful one... - [WOMEN CHUCKLE] 1087 00:43:43,423 --> 00:43:44,491 ...for many decades. 1088 00:43:44,491 --> 00:43:46,226 And it was a miserable experience. 1089 00:43:46,226 --> 00:43:49,329 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves 1090 00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:51,398 and each other is like the most... 1091 00:43:51,398 --> 00:43:52,766 The not seeing your power. 1092 00:43:52,766 --> 00:43:54,167 The being afraid, like, 1093 00:43:54,167 --> 00:43:56,102 all you do is talk shit about each other, 1094 00:43:56,102 --> 00:43:57,837 talk shit about yourselves, "Oh, my God, I'm so fat." 1095 00:43:57,837 --> 00:43:59,406 MATT: That's all they do. That's all they do. 1096 00:43:59,406 --> 00:44:00,507 - [WOMEN LAUGH] - I'm telling you. 1097 00:44:00,507 --> 00:44:01,941 These white women. 1098 00:44:01,941 --> 00:44:04,144 RAO: But it's... it's... That's it. 1099 00:44:04,144 --> 00:44:06,112 It's "I'm so fat. I'm so stupid. 1100 00:44:06,112 --> 00:44:07,180 "I'm blah blah blah." 1101 00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:08,748 [PLATES CRASH AND CLATTER] 1102 00:44:09,115 --> 00:44:10,116 MATT: Sorry. 1103 00:44:15,855 --> 00:44:17,524 RAO: Your kids are watching you. 1104 00:44:17,524 --> 00:44:20,493 And they're watching you talking shit about each other. 1105 00:44:20,493 --> 00:44:23,129 You know, raging against a machine or being silent 1106 00:44:23,129 --> 00:44:24,197 or whatever the hell it is 1107 00:44:24,197 --> 00:44:25,331 that you're doing or not doing. 1108 00:44:25,331 --> 00:44:27,000 And they know that you're not doing shit for them. 1109 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,101 MATT: That's so important. 1110 00:44:28,101 --> 00:44:29,836 That is so important, what she just said. 1111 00:44:32,272 --> 00:44:34,700 It's real... It's really important. 1112 00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:35,842 That's... 1113 00:44:35,842 --> 00:44:37,477 We may have to add you to our team. [LAUGHS] 1114 00:44:37,477 --> 00:44:39,412 Oh! I would love to take a seat and join you. 1115 00:44:39,412 --> 00:44:41,314 - No. You're not allowed to. - MATT: Oh, okay. 1116 00:44:41,314 --> 00:44:42,916 - Definitely not allowed. - MATT: Okay. 1117 00:44:42,916 --> 00:44:45,919 I do have my DEI certification 1118 00:44:45,919 --> 00:44:47,320 - that I... that I got. - Okay. 1119 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,922 - Okay. - MATT: So... 1120 00:44:48,922 --> 00:44:51,191 Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm also not a novice. 1121 00:44:51,191 --> 00:44:52,592 So... [CHUCKLES] 1122 00:44:52,592 --> 00:44:53,927 Okay. 1123 00:44:53,927 --> 00:44:55,595 White people are starved for these conversations. 1124 00:44:55,595 --> 00:44:56,896 MATT: We are. We are so starving. 1125 00:44:56,896 --> 00:44:59,566 - JACKSON: Yeah. - We are so starving for this. 1126 00:44:59,566 --> 00:45:01,501 RAO: Anyone else? 1127 00:45:01,501 --> 00:45:03,360 Want to say anything? 1128 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,104 MATT: I'll just say one thing. 1129 00:45:04,104 --> 00:45:05,572 I'm so glad we can have these conversations. 1130 00:45:05,572 --> 00:45:07,607 And I'll be done. But, uh, I'm just so glad 1131 00:45:07,607 --> 00:45:10,510 that we could all get together to have these conversations. 1132 00:45:11,111 --> 00:45:12,112 [CHUCKLES] That's all I wanted to say. 1133 00:45:12,112 --> 00:45:14,180 - JACKSON: Thank you. - Is he an actor? 1134 00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:15,882 - Are you an actor? - MATT: Oh, no. 1135 00:45:15,882 --> 00:45:17,584 Can you let us... We're trying to listen 1136 00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:18,952 and trying to have this conversation. 1137 00:45:18,952 --> 00:45:20,420 MATT: Okay. You know, 1138 00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:22,856 we're all acting all the time in our lives, 1139 00:45:22,856 --> 00:45:25,725 and, uh, and I think that that's part of the problem. 1140 00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,280 You know? [SIGHS] 1141 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,462 And it's like we're all trying to play a part 1142 00:45:29,462 --> 00:45:30,697 rather than just being real 1143 00:45:30,697 --> 00:45:32,766 and having these uncomfortable conversations. 1144 00:45:32,766 --> 00:45:34,434 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people. 1145 00:45:34,434 --> 00:45:36,269 Especially, you know, white women. No offense. 1146 00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:37,370 - But... [CHUCKLES] - RAO: No, 1147 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:39,105 but, see, like, you're a white dude. 1148 00:45:39,105 --> 00:45:40,440 There's power positions 1149 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,808 - and, uh, you know... - MATT: Yeah. 1150 00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:44,811 ...it's pointing... pointing... 1151 00:45:44,811 --> 00:45:47,814 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. 1152 00:45:47,814 --> 00:45:50,450 MATT: You know, I've been on this journey for so long, 1153 00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:52,152 and just to see you guys at the table 1154 00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:54,888 having this conversation has been really 1155 00:45:54,888 --> 00:45:56,423 enlightening for me. 1156 00:45:56,423 --> 00:45:58,558 Anyway, I got the DEI certification. 1157 00:45:59,392 --> 00:46:01,428 [SMACKS LIPS] And I'm just on the journey. 1158 00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:03,930 All right. You ladies have a great... 1159 00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:05,131 RAO: Thank you. JACKSON: All right. 1160 00:46:06,833 --> 00:46:07,834 [DOOR OPENS] 1161 00:46:08,968 --> 00:46:12,405 - Decolonize yourself. - Mm-hmm. 1162 00:46:12,405 --> 00:46:18,780 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. 1163 00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:20,780 And then you can start to bring in other people. 1164 00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:22,515 MATT: Can I just... Can I just say one last thing? 1165 00:46:22,515 --> 00:46:23,783 Can I just propose a toast? 1166 00:46:24,751 --> 00:46:27,554 Uh, I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist. 1167 00:46:28,488 --> 00:46:29,856 And that's the thing. 1168 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:32,826 Cheers. Oh, I'm not racist. Let me put my glass down. 1169 00:46:32,826 --> 00:46:34,627 - MATT: All the rest of you. - [JACKSON LAUGHS] 1170 00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:37,530 To racists. 1171 00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:39,165 [GLASSES CLINKING] 1172 00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:43,360 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYING] 1173 00:46:44,838 --> 00:46:46,740 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. 1174 00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:50,210 I've learned a lot from my fellow anti-racists. 1175 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:52,512 But now it's time to evangelize. 1176 00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:54,147 To go to white America 1177 00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:56,490 and teach them about their privilege. 1178 00:46:56,683 --> 00:46:58,651 This biker bar will do just fine. 1179 00:46:58,651 --> 00:47:00,887 [ENGINE REVVING] 1180 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,890 I'm sure these people 1181 00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:04,824 would love to have an honest dialogue 1182 00:47:04,824 --> 00:47:06,326 about the perils of whiteness. 1183 00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:18,772 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC CONTINUES] 1184 00:47:24,277 --> 00:47:25,278 [MUSIC ENDS] 1185 00:47:25,278 --> 00:47:27,380 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYS] 1186 00:47:34,554 --> 00:47:35,755 MATT: What are you doing, 1187 00:47:36,456 --> 00:47:40,393 personally, in your life to decenter your whiteness? 1188 00:47:40,393 --> 00:47:43,290 What do you mean, decenter it? Well... 1189 00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:45,365 Take it away from the center of... 1190 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,468 Who's making it the center? Why are they doing that? 1191 00:47:49,769 --> 00:47:51,271 Why race has to be thrown in on everything? 1192 00:47:51,271 --> 00:47:53,239 Well, you're white... you're white. 1193 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,908 So? Who cares? 1194 00:47:54,908 --> 00:47:56,976 I mean, really, the way that the world is going right now, 1195 00:47:56,976 --> 00:47:58,111 people need to be concerned 1196 00:47:58,111 --> 00:48:00,800 with how they're going to feed their families. 1197 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,948 Not what color is that man's skin. 1198 00:48:01,948 --> 00:48:03,316 I got Black friends, I love them, too. 1199 00:48:03,316 --> 00:48:05,251 - But they know they're Black. - Do you know they're Black? 1200 00:48:05,251 --> 00:48:07,654 Of course I do, and I like it. Good for them. 1201 00:48:07,654 --> 00:48:08,988 Well, you know, one thing I've learned is that 1202 00:48:08,988 --> 00:48:10,523 if you meet a Black person, 1203 00:48:10,523 --> 00:48:12,759 you want to forget that they're Black. 1204 00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:14,260 But don't forget that they're Black. 1205 00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:15,795 Why would you want to forget that they're Black? 1206 00:48:15,795 --> 00:48:17,630 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? 1207 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:19,699 Then you should embrace them being Black. 1208 00:48:19,699 --> 00:48:22,268 I think Black men should have pride in being Black. 1209 00:48:22,268 --> 00:48:23,837 And I think you should have pride in being white. 1210 00:48:23,837 --> 00:48:25,839 - What's wrong with that? - I agree with the first part. 1211 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,140 Hello, sir. 1212 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:28,341 Hi. 1213 00:48:28,341 --> 00:48:29,442 What's your name? 1214 00:48:29,442 --> 00:48:30,543 Pat. 1215 00:48:31,144 --> 00:48:32,779 - Pat? - Yeah. 1216 00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,647 What about you? Do you have, uh, kids? 1217 00:48:34,647 --> 00:48:36,716 - Do you have a wife? - Yeah, I've got... 1218 00:48:38,518 --> 00:48:40,286 two or three kids... 1219 00:48:40,286 --> 00:48:42,622 - Two or three kids? - Yeah. 1220 00:48:42,622 --> 00:48:43,957 You don't have to give me the whole list, 1221 00:48:43,957 --> 00:48:45,692 but what are some ways 1222 00:48:45,692 --> 00:48:48,461 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? 1223 00:48:49,129 --> 00:48:50,563 - My whiteness? - Yeah. 1224 00:48:50,563 --> 00:48:53,633 I get along good with Black people. 1225 00:48:53,633 --> 00:48:56,369 I used to have... I used to have a Black brother. 1226 00:48:56,369 --> 00:48:58,538 I called him my brother. He called me his brother. 1227 00:48:58,538 --> 00:48:59,739 Was he really your brother? 1228 00:48:59,739 --> 00:49:01,207 No, he wasn't. 1229 00:49:01,207 --> 00:49:02,876 You were calling a Black man brother? 1230 00:49:02,876 --> 00:49:04,811 Yeah. I had more Black friends 1231 00:49:04,811 --> 00:49:06,680 living in Huntsville than I had white friends. 1232 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,848 - Really? - Yeah. 1233 00:49:08,848 --> 00:49:11,384 So that's in your own life, but systemically... 1234 00:49:11,384 --> 00:49:13,219 Considering the way things is at now? 1235 00:49:13,219 --> 00:49:14,387 Yeah. 1236 00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:16,723 Just to summarize. But what do you think about 1237 00:49:16,723 --> 00:49:19,559 this issue of heteronormativity 1238 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:20,860 and how it intersects 1239 00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:24,664 with the broader structures of racism in society? 1240 00:49:25,231 --> 00:49:26,232 Huh? 1241 00:49:26,232 --> 00:49:28,768 I mean, ultimately, how do we get to a point of, 1242 00:49:28,768 --> 00:49:30,700 let's say, racial harmony? 1243 00:49:30,704 --> 00:49:32,172 I don't know. 1244 00:49:32,172 --> 00:49:35,108 But I'm just telling you what I said. 1245 00:49:35,108 --> 00:49:37,770 That's a lot to think about on my own journey. 1246 00:49:40,613 --> 00:49:42,682 - It's good to talk to you. - Mm-hmm. 1247 00:49:42,682 --> 00:49:44,818 Uh, I'm a vegetarian as well. 1248 00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:47,454 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, 1249 00:49:47,454 --> 00:49:49,550 - so I'm glad... - That don't say "vegetarian." 1250 00:49:49,456 --> 00:49:50,623 That's a... 1251 00:49:50,623 --> 00:49:52,459 -"******tarian." [LAUGHS] -"******tarian." 1252 00:49:52,459 --> 00:49:53,827 [LAUGHING] 1253 00:49:53,827 --> 00:49:55,610 What is that? 1254 00:49:55,762 --> 00:49:57,263 That's a little bit of a ***ist joke. 1255 00:49:57,263 --> 00:50:00,233 Well, you know. It is what it is. 1256 00:50:00,233 --> 00:50:02,135 What do you think about racism in society? 1257 00:50:02,135 --> 00:50:03,803 Is it... Do you think it's a big problem? 1258 00:50:03,803 --> 00:50:06,720 I was born in 1960. 1259 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,750 My dad, my uncle, 1260 00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:11,244 my granddaddy, were Klansmen. 1261 00:50:12,979 --> 00:50:14,180 It never affected me. 1262 00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:15,782 But you don't... You're not... 1263 00:50:15,782 --> 00:50:16,916 - No. - ...racist? 1264 00:50:16,916 --> 00:50:19,285 - No. Not at all. - And how do you know? 1265 00:50:19,285 --> 00:50:21,210 How do either of you know that you're... 1266 00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:24,190 Because I... I accept people as they are. 1267 00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:25,358 WOMAN: Exactly. 1268 00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:27,160 If you approach me as a human being, 1269 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,828 then I'm gonna be a human being too. 1270 00:50:28,828 --> 00:50:31,264 We all bleed the same way. 1271 00:50:31,264 --> 00:50:33,266 What do you think about systemic racism? 1272 00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:35,101 Systemic? What the hell is that? 1273 00:50:35,101 --> 00:50:38,438 Is the system constructed in such a way 1274 00:50:38,438 --> 00:50:41,708 as to marginalize people of color? 1275 00:50:41,708 --> 00:50:44,100 You wanna do away with racism? 1276 00:50:44,778 --> 00:50:46,813 Quit labeling people as Black and white. 1277 00:50:46,813 --> 00:50:49,449 - WOMAN: Exactly. - But that's colorblindness, 1278 00:50:49,449 --> 00:50:50,817 which is problematic. 1279 00:50:50,817 --> 00:50:52,986 If I meet you as a Black man, and you... 1280 00:50:52,986 --> 00:50:55,321 you approach me, I shake your hand. 1281 00:50:55,321 --> 00:50:57,190 We go in here, we have a conversation, 1282 00:50:57,190 --> 00:51:01,394 we have a beer or ride down the road on a motorcycle. 1283 00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:03,830 What the hell does your color got to do with it? 1284 00:51:04,397 --> 00:51:06,633 - It's all right here, bubba. - [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1285 00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:09,369 If you treat people right, they treat you right. 1286 00:51:09,369 --> 00:51:10,470 And... 1287 00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:12,672 I don't care what color they are. 1288 00:51:12,672 --> 00:51:14,808 You gotta treat each other right. 1289 00:51:17,243 --> 00:51:18,511 MATT: I was expecting these bikers 1290 00:51:18,511 --> 00:51:20,380 would be a bunch of racists. 1291 00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:22,916 And obviously, I was right. 1292 00:51:22,916 --> 00:51:24,651 These people haven't even started 1293 00:51:24,651 --> 00:51:26,286 to decenter their whiteness. 1294 00:51:28,254 --> 00:51:30,757 Now I need to go deeper into the racist south, 1295 00:51:31,591 --> 00:51:33,293 so that I can talk to people of color 1296 00:51:33,293 --> 00:51:35,695 about their lived experience with racism. 1297 00:51:38,898 --> 00:51:42,268 I was in the drug game for 18 years of my life, man. 1298 00:51:42,268 --> 00:51:46,373 And 14 and a half years went all, uh, to incarceration. 1299 00:51:46,373 --> 00:51:47,474 So how did you get out? 1300 00:51:47,474 --> 00:51:49,809 I got out through, uh, the pages of the Word of God. 1301 00:51:49,809 --> 00:51:52,879 MAN: My parents always taught me to love everybody. 1302 00:51:52,879 --> 00:51:56,583 Don't allow skin color to ever become a problem for you. 1303 00:51:56,583 --> 00:51:58,618 We didn't... We didn't see colors, baby. 1304 00:51:58,618 --> 00:52:00,153 Because we grew up together. 1305 00:52:00,153 --> 00:52:02,389 And you know, it was a lot of love. 1306 00:52:02,389 --> 00:52:04,958 Inherent dignity, it's in all of us. 1307 00:52:04,958 --> 00:52:07,260 Though we're different in so many ways, 1308 00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:09,729 we're still alike in so many more ways. 1309 00:52:09,729 --> 00:52:12,165 - So we all one in God's sight. - Yes. 1310 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,235 MATT: So how long have you owned this shop here? 1311 00:52:15,235 --> 00:52:19,906 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. 1312 00:52:19,906 --> 00:52:21,241 Did you start a family and all that? 1313 00:52:21,241 --> 00:52:24,944 Yes. Altogether I have 53 grandchildren. 1314 00:52:24,944 --> 00:52:26,790 - Wow. - Yeah. 1315 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:27,447 You think the country has been good to you? 1316 00:52:27,447 --> 00:52:29,749 Yeah. Yeah, very good. Very good, yeah. 1317 00:52:29,749 --> 00:52:32,180 How do you feel about America today? 1318 00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:34,120 America, man, is a beautiful country. 1319 00:52:34,788 --> 00:52:37,157 A beautiful country. I don't have no problem here. 1320 00:52:37,157 --> 00:52:39,859 A lot of people, pretty critical of, uh... 1321 00:52:39,859 --> 00:52:41,261 of this country, and, you know... 1322 00:52:41,261 --> 00:52:42,529 I don't know why. 1323 00:52:42,529 --> 00:52:44,970 It can be kind of a racist country. 1324 00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:45,965 No. No, no, no. 1325 00:52:47,167 --> 00:52:48,968 Do you experience a lot of microaggressions out here? 1326 00:52:48,968 --> 00:52:50,603 Nah. Not out here. 1327 00:52:52,105 --> 00:52:53,106 No. 1328 00:52:53,106 --> 00:52:54,974 Well, what about the systemic issue? 1329 00:52:56,176 --> 00:52:58,878 - Systemic... - What you mean by "systemic"? 1330 00:52:58,878 --> 00:53:01,381 Well, the whole country. The system. 1331 00:53:01,381 --> 00:53:04,317 The system is... You know, the system is racist. 1332 00:53:04,317 --> 00:53:05,685 Mm... 1333 00:53:05,685 --> 00:53:07,153 Not to me. 1334 00:53:07,153 --> 00:53:08,988 - Not to you? - No. Not to me, man. 1335 00:53:08,988 --> 00:53:10,490 I don't think about those things, 1336 00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:11,758 racism and all that stuff. 1337 00:53:11,758 --> 00:53:13,360 I've been reading a lot of books recently. 1338 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,862 Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility, obviously. 1339 00:53:15,862 --> 00:53:18,640 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. 1340 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,367 Mm-hmm. I don't read them things. 1341 00:53:20,367 --> 00:53:21,601 What do you read? 1342 00:53:21,601 --> 00:53:23,269 The only thing I read is the Bible. 1343 00:53:24,404 --> 00:53:26,206 I got it in the car right there. 1344 00:53:26,206 --> 00:53:27,374 If you looked in my car, 1345 00:53:27,374 --> 00:53:29,900 you'll see it right there on the seat. 1346 00:53:30,844 --> 00:53:32,946 So you haven't read any Robin DiAngelo? 1347 00:53:32,946 --> 00:53:36,820 Uh, no. No, no. Robin DiAngelo, who is that? 1348 00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:37,917 Well, she's a anti-racist, uh... 1349 00:53:37,917 --> 00:53:39,452 - Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. - ...expert. 1350 00:53:39,452 --> 00:53:41,388 I never read them kind of books, man. 1351 00:53:41,388 --> 00:53:42,589 If I get a book like that, 1352 00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:43,957 I put it down. I don't want it. 1353 00:53:43,957 --> 00:53:45,725 I got a couple copies in my car. I can give you one. 1354 00:53:45,725 --> 00:53:47,260 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. 1355 00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:49,262 I don't want it. [LAUGHS] 1356 00:53:49,262 --> 00:53:51,965 No. 'Cause that is not in my heart. No. 1357 00:53:51,965 --> 00:53:55,935 I've kind of been working on, uh, decentering my whiteness. 1358 00:53:55,935 --> 00:53:58,138 Oh, your whiteness? [CHUCKLES] 1359 00:53:58,138 --> 00:54:00,473 Aight now, baby. We all bleed the same thing, dude. 1360 00:54:00,473 --> 00:54:03,143 If I cut you right there, you will bleed just like me. 1361 00:54:03,143 --> 00:54:05,145 [LAUGHING] 1362 00:54:05,145 --> 00:54:06,246 I... 1363 00:54:06,246 --> 00:54:08,214 It's just the color of your skin. 1364 00:54:08,214 --> 00:54:09,916 How do we get past all the, uh, 1365 00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:11,418 talk about racism and the... 1366 00:54:11,418 --> 00:54:13,586 Oh, we gotta love each other, like I said. 1367 00:54:14,888 --> 00:54:16,589 We have to love each other. 1368 00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:21,995 Well, it can't be that simple. 1369 00:54:21,995 --> 00:54:23,329 - Huh? - Is it that simple? 1370 00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:24,731 Well, yeah. I mean, to me. 1371 00:54:24,731 --> 00:54:25,832 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1372 00:54:25,832 --> 00:54:27,901 MATT: Something's not right. 1373 00:54:27,901 --> 00:54:30,270 These people said the same thing as those bikers. 1374 00:54:30,837 --> 00:54:32,572 White supremacy is more pervasive 1375 00:54:32,572 --> 00:54:33,673 than I ever imagined. 1376 00:54:33,673 --> 00:54:35,108 I need to talk to someone 1377 00:54:35,108 --> 00:54:38,345 who has stared directly into the face of racism. 1378 00:54:38,345 --> 00:54:40,413 - July 16th... - Mm-hmm. 1379 00:54:40,413 --> 00:54:41,748 - ...2022. - Mm-hmm. 1380 00:54:41,748 --> 00:54:43,616 - Difficult day for you. - Very. 1381 00:54:43,616 --> 00:54:44,851 And for America. 1382 00:54:44,851 --> 00:54:46,319 The popular kids amusement park 1383 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,655 apologized after a video went viral 1384 00:54:48,655 --> 00:54:50,857 that appeared to show a costumed character 1385 00:54:50,857 --> 00:54:52,158 snubbing two Black girls. 1386 00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:54,270 Okay, you see the character coming, 1387 00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:56,296 high-fiving everybody as he goes down the street. 1388 00:54:56,296 --> 00:54:57,964 Gets to those two little girls. 1389 00:54:57,964 --> 00:54:59,632 And appears to just flat out say no, 1390 00:54:59,632 --> 00:55:00,700 and you see the little girls, 1391 00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:02,402 and their faces, and they're heartbroken. 1392 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,237 MATT: Meet Jodi Brown. 1393 00:55:04,237 --> 00:55:05,572 The mother who was victimized 1394 00:55:05,572 --> 00:55:08,740 at the hands of Rosita, the Sesame Street character. 1395 00:55:08,675 --> 00:55:11,845 She was reluctant to talk about the traumatic incident, 1396 00:55:11,845 --> 00:55:13,380 but for $50,000, 1397 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:16,490 she was willing to tell her tragic story. 1398 00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:19,686 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. 1399 00:55:19,686 --> 00:55:23,523 Because I feel like if you are able to acknowledge 1400 00:55:23,523 --> 00:55:26,726 someone before my children and after my children, 1401 00:55:26,726 --> 00:55:29,863 you could've stopped two seconds just to say hello. 1402 00:55:29,863 --> 00:55:33,700 This was something targeted at your... you and your child. 1403 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,503 It was a very intentional racist act. 1404 00:55:36,503 --> 00:55:39,773 We don't want some explanation that, "Oh, the performer 1405 00:55:39,773 --> 00:55:41,775 "didn't see these two young girls." 1406 00:55:41,775 --> 00:55:43,343 Which one of them is in isolation today 1407 00:55:43,343 --> 00:55:45,412 from the harm that is being caused by this company. 1408 00:55:45,412 --> 00:55:46,880 So we're gonna demand 1409 00:55:50,283 --> 00:55:52,285 or mental care expenses 1410 00:55:52,285 --> 00:55:53,753 that these children have realized. 1411 00:55:53,753 --> 00:55:55,689 And who is Rosita? Who's in that costume? 1412 00:55:55,689 --> 00:55:56,756 Mel Gibson. 1413 00:55:56,756 --> 00:55:58,425 I think that person needs to be, 1414 00:55:58,425 --> 00:56:00,260 you know, held accountable. 1415 00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:01,895 - Fired and held to account. - Absolutely fired. 1416 00:56:01,895 --> 00:56:04,640 Well, before you fire 'em, 1417 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,799 teach 'em why they're being fired. 1418 00:56:05,799 --> 00:56:07,133 - [APPLAUSE] - WOMAN: And then let them go. 1419 00:56:07,133 --> 00:56:09,690 And then let them go. 1420 00:56:09,690 --> 00:56:13,440 How do we fix the endemic racism among mascots? 1421 00:56:14,774 --> 00:56:18,244 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. 1422 00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:20,580 Do you know who the employee is that was 1423 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:22,549 - in the costume? - No. 1424 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:24,984 That information was never given to me. 1425 00:56:25,985 --> 00:56:27,420 Uh, do we know if they're white? 1426 00:56:27,954 --> 00:56:30,623 Um, that information was also not given to me. 1427 00:56:32,592 --> 00:56:34,794 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 1428 00:56:38,164 --> 00:56:41,167 Do you think American society is racist? 1429 00:56:41,167 --> 00:56:42,635 There is an epidemic of hate 1430 00:56:42,635 --> 00:56:44,370 in the United States of America. 1431 00:56:44,370 --> 00:56:45,205 Threats of violence. 1432 00:56:45,205 --> 00:56:47,607 Threats of death and destruction. 1433 00:56:47,607 --> 00:56:50,977 Hate and racism are alive and well in America. 1434 00:56:50,977 --> 00:56:52,979 This is just absolutely crazy. 1435 00:56:52,979 --> 00:56:55,115 She was verbally attacked by a group of men. 1436 00:56:55,115 --> 00:56:56,449 And I heard 1437 00:56:56,449 --> 00:56:58,618 distinctly them saying "Donald Trump." 1438 00:56:58,618 --> 00:56:59,719 REPORTER: ...where a hate crime 1439 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,121 is being investigated... 1440 00:57:01,121 --> 00:57:02,522 ...third consecutive year 1441 00:57:02,522 --> 00:57:04,457 a noose has been found on campus. 1442 00:57:04,457 --> 00:57:06,993 Bitter, brutal hate crimes that are on the rise. 1443 00:57:06,993 --> 00:57:08,795 17% increase. 1444 00:57:08,795 --> 00:57:09,896 REPORTER 1: 20% increase. 1445 00:57:09,896 --> 00:57:11,231 REPORTER 2: 55%. 1446 00:57:11,231 --> 00:57:12,899 Hate crimes have surged... 1447 00:57:12,899 --> 00:57:15,535 REPORTER 1: More than 7,200 hate crimes. 1448 00:57:15,535 --> 00:57:19,139 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. 1449 00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:20,874 It's not about racing. 1450 00:57:20,874 --> 00:57:22,475 It's about race. 1451 00:57:22,475 --> 00:57:24,310 The Jussie Smollett hate crime case 1452 00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:26,346 shows what appears to be a noose 1453 00:57:26,346 --> 00:57:28,248 around the Empire actor's neck. 1454 00:57:28,248 --> 00:57:31,418 You could not get more reprehensible than a noose. 1455 00:57:31,418 --> 00:57:34,721 We have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not 1456 00:57:34,721 --> 00:57:36,356 what just happened to Jussie Smollett 1457 00:57:36,356 --> 00:57:38,224 is a hate crime. It's absurd. 1458 00:57:38,224 --> 00:57:39,559 I've been truthful and consistent 1459 00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:41,428 on every single level since day one. 1460 00:57:41,428 --> 00:57:44,164 Right now, there is a domestic terrorism prevention bill 1461 00:57:44,164 --> 00:57:45,331 moving through the house. 1462 00:57:45,331 --> 00:57:48,334 The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. 1463 00:57:49,402 --> 00:57:51,738 The hate crimes task force is investigating... 1464 00:57:51,738 --> 00:57:53,730 - REPORTER: Hate crimes. - Hate crimes. 1465 00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:54,240 - Hate crime. - Hate crime. 1466 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,942 - REPORTER: Hate crime. - [LAUGHING] 1467 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,470 [SIGHS SOFTLY] 1468 00:58:02,248 --> 00:58:03,616 Hate crimes. 1469 00:58:06,619 --> 00:58:07,654 Thoughts? 1470 00:58:08,521 --> 00:58:11,558 I think that hate crimes are bad. 1471 00:58:11,558 --> 00:58:14,127 Hate in general, uh, is not good. 1472 00:58:14,127 --> 00:58:15,628 But they're everywhere now. 1473 00:58:15,628 --> 00:58:16,730 - No. - It's an epidemic. 1474 00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:18,431 No, it's... it's not. 1475 00:58:19,265 --> 00:58:20,300 Well, out of, what, 1476 00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:23,436 20 million index crimes a year, 1477 00:58:23,436 --> 00:58:25,805 there are 6,000, 7,000 hate crimes. 1478 00:58:25,805 --> 00:58:27,440 No, there's no epidemic. 1479 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,675 This is one of those things 1480 00:58:28,675 --> 00:58:30,577 where there's a huge disconnect 1481 00:58:30,577 --> 00:58:32,145 between media presentation, 1482 00:58:32,145 --> 00:58:34,681 and this really is something I research professionally. 1483 00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:36,249 And one of the reasons that you're probably 1484 00:58:36,249 --> 00:58:39,252 talking to me also is I wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax, 1485 00:58:39,252 --> 00:58:41,988 and I mean, I noted that over a period of maybe... 1486 00:58:41,988 --> 00:58:43,289 You wrote the book called what? 1487 00:58:43,289 --> 00:58:45,258 Uh, Hate Crime Hoax. 1488 00:58:45,258 --> 00:58:47,193 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, 1489 00:58:47,193 --> 00:58:48,528 Jussie Smollett, uh, 1490 00:58:48,528 --> 00:58:51,310 Covington Catholic, Yasmin Seweid, 1491 00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:53,990 Duke lacrosse, Bubba Wallace... 1492 00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:54,167 Terrible story. 1493 00:58:54,167 --> 00:58:56,360 Uh, but they didn't happen. That's the thing. 1494 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,380 None of those stories that I'm mentioning happened. 1495 00:58:58,380 --> 00:58:59,639 I mean, you can just go on and on with this. 1496 00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:02,800 Uh, Kansas State, the horrible racial epithets 1497 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,810 written on upscale vehicles... 1498 00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:05,712 Okay. Let... Let's... 1499 00:59:05,712 --> 00:59:07,313 Let's slow down here for a moment. 1500 00:59:08,615 --> 00:59:11,151 So you wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax? 1501 00:59:11,151 --> 00:59:12,218 Yes. 1502 00:59:12,218 --> 00:59:14,154 We're missing a word in our notes on that. 1503 00:59:14,788 --> 00:59:15,789 Uh... 1504 00:59:15,789 --> 00:59:17,390 That's an issue from the producer there 1505 00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:18,525 if it just says "Hate Crimes," 1506 00:59:18,525 --> 00:59:20,727 or "Hate Crime Epidemic," or something like that. 1507 00:59:20,727 --> 00:59:21,828 Yeah. 1508 00:59:22,729 --> 00:59:24,998 Uh, and you say that you're Black? 1509 00:59:26,232 --> 00:59:27,233 Yes. 1510 00:59:27,233 --> 00:59:30,337 Don't the statistics 1511 00:59:31,671 --> 00:59:34,808 show that anti-Black hate crimes 1512 00:59:35,542 --> 00:59:37,377 are a huge problem? 1513 00:59:37,377 --> 00:59:39,245 If you break down the statistics. 1514 00:59:39,245 --> 00:59:40,847 Well, I think that depends on your definition 1515 00:59:40,847 --> 00:59:42,882 of a huge problem. I mean, so the... 1516 00:59:42,882 --> 00:59:44,217 One of the biggest problems. 1517 00:59:44,217 --> 00:59:46,553 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. 1518 00:59:46,553 --> 00:59:47,854 What are the statistics? 1519 00:59:47,854 --> 00:59:50,390 If you go into the FBI numbers annually, 1520 00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:52,892 there are maybe 7,000 1521 00:59:52,892 --> 00:59:56,290 actual reported, documented hate crimes 1522 00:59:56,290 --> 00:59:57,464 - in a typical... - In a day? 1523 00:59:57,464 --> 00:59:59,632 No, in a typical year. 1524 00:59:59,632 --> 01:00:02,902 But the total number of crimes in the United States, 1525 01:00:02,902 --> 01:00:06,306 more than 2 million committed by African Americans. 1526 01:00:06,306 --> 01:00:08,808 Almost a million committed against African Americans. 1527 01:00:08,808 --> 01:00:09,909 This is just violent crimes. 1528 01:00:09,909 --> 01:00:11,478 And it's just the case 1529 01:00:11,478 --> 01:00:13,980 that there are way more crimes than there are hate crimes. 1530 01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:17,617 No one thinks that direct racial conflict 1531 01:00:17,617 --> 01:00:19,452 is one of the biggest problems in the country 1532 01:00:19,452 --> 01:00:21,955 unless they've been told by the media that it is. 1533 01:00:21,955 --> 01:00:24,491 Uh, why are we talking about statistics? 1534 01:00:24,491 --> 01:00:26,159 This is not a matter of statistics. 1535 01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,128 Well, you asked me about the statistics. 1536 01:00:30,163 --> 01:00:31,765 Every week practically, 1537 01:00:32,465 --> 01:00:34,401 we hear another story about 1538 01:00:35,268 --> 01:00:36,469 someone reporting a hate crime. 1539 01:00:36,469 --> 01:00:38,438 Let's say, they find a noose. 1540 01:00:38,438 --> 01:00:42,442 Uh, they found a racist note on a receipt. 1541 01:00:42,442 --> 01:00:44,100 So, saying there's a hate crime every week 1542 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,612 is absolutely meaningless. 1543 01:00:45,612 --> 01:00:47,313 If you really wanted to solve crime, 1544 01:00:47,313 --> 01:00:49,349 you'd talk about Black-on-Black crime, 1545 01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:51,651 you'd talk about addiction in poor white communities. 1546 01:00:51,651 --> 01:00:53,987 You'd talk about almost anything 1547 01:00:53,987 --> 01:00:57,123 but what the major media seems intent on focusing on. 1548 01:00:57,123 --> 01:00:59,325 Most of those stories turn out to be complete fakes. 1549 01:00:59,325 --> 01:01:01,261 It seems like the real conversation to have 1550 01:01:01,261 --> 01:01:03,290 would be about something like hysteria 1551 01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:05,965 and neuroticism among Americans. 1552 01:01:05,965 --> 01:01:09,436 It becomes an opportunity for a conversation 1553 01:01:09,436 --> 01:01:10,837 about race in America. 1554 01:01:10,837 --> 01:01:12,138 And we can always use more of that. 1555 01:01:12,138 --> 01:01:14,400 I absolutely disagree... 1556 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,175 With what part? 1557 01:01:15,175 --> 01:01:17,110 That we can... I disagree with all of that. 1558 01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:19,679 Have you heard yet that I'm a certified DEI expert? 1559 01:01:21,514 --> 01:01:22,782 Here's my certification. 1560 01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:25,352 "DiversityInclusion Training.com. 1561 01:01:25,352 --> 01:01:27,200 "Making compliance fast, easy, and painless." 1562 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,288 You don't need to read that much. 1563 01:01:28,288 --> 01:01:30,457 - Just... Yeah, give it back. - I... I don't know... 1564 01:01:30,457 --> 01:01:32,359 - something... - That's not the point. 1565 01:01:32,359 --> 01:01:35,395 The demand for racism in society right now 1566 01:01:35,395 --> 01:01:37,530 greatly outweighs the supply. 1567 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:41,101 We've attached a sort of value to being a victim. 1568 01:01:41,101 --> 01:01:42,669 People report these crimes 1569 01:01:42,669 --> 01:01:45,739 because they know the response will be immediate. 1570 01:01:45,739 --> 01:01:48,908 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. 1571 01:01:48,908 --> 01:01:51,344 Why would Jussie Smollett say what he did? 1572 01:01:51,344 --> 01:01:52,712 The entire thing was complete nonsense, 1573 01:01:52,712 --> 01:01:53,780 and I think most serious people 1574 01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:54,881 knew this from the beginning. 1575 01:01:54,881 --> 01:01:57,951 If it was such an obvious hoax, then why... 1576 01:01:57,951 --> 01:01:59,352 why didn't we hear it from the media? 1577 01:01:59,352 --> 01:02:02,555 From, uh, Kamala Harris, all the late night talk shows. 1578 01:02:02,555 --> 01:02:05,692 The question is not, why would they ever 1579 01:02:05,692 --> 01:02:07,260 say something that's not true? 1580 01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:09,696 It's, sort of, why do we believe? 1581 01:02:09,696 --> 01:02:11,264 Because this had a major national impact. 1582 01:02:11,264 --> 01:02:12,966 This itself impacted race relations 1583 01:02:12,966 --> 01:02:14,234 by a couple of points. 1584 01:02:15,468 --> 01:02:17,470 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 1585 01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:26,460 this country isn't safe for people of color. 1586 01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:28,415 I've heard it over and over. 1587 01:02:28,915 --> 01:02:30,650 If only I could walk in their shoes, 1588 01:02:30,650 --> 01:02:32,652 then I'd really know what they go through. 1589 01:02:34,387 --> 01:02:35,388 Looks cold out there. 1590 01:02:35,388 --> 01:02:36,823 WOMAN ON TV: It's two o'clock in the morning. 1591 01:02:36,823 --> 01:02:37,991 MATT: Man, I'm hungry. 1592 01:02:37,991 --> 01:02:39,325 WOMAN: You're going to Subway. 1593 01:02:39,325 --> 01:02:41,940 MATT: Where can I get food at this hour? 1594 01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:42,495 SMOLLETT ON TV: Subway is open 24 hours. 1595 01:02:42,495 --> 01:02:44,464 Like, people kill me when they say things like that. 1596 01:02:44,464 --> 01:02:47,467 Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. 1597 01:02:47,467 --> 01:02:48,902 So that when you hungry at night 1598 01:02:48,902 --> 01:02:51,104 and you ain't got no food, you go to Subway. 1599 01:02:51,104 --> 01:02:53,273 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 1600 01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:03,817 WOMAN: What happened that night, Jussie? 1601 01:03:03,817 --> 01:03:07,200 I went to the Subway and got the order. 1602 01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:16,796 You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. 1603 01:03:16,796 --> 01:03:18,865 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1604 01:03:25,939 --> 01:03:27,907 [MUSIC TURNS TENSE] 1605 01:03:42,322 --> 01:03:46,593 I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, 1606 01:03:46,593 --> 01:03:47,694 I heard, "Empire." 1607 01:03:47,694 --> 01:03:49,396 MAN: Daily Wire. 1608 01:03:51,931 --> 01:03:54,267 And I don't answer to "Empire." [CHUCKLES] 1609 01:03:54,267 --> 01:03:56,703 My name ain't Empire. Uh... 1610 01:03:57,337 --> 01:03:58,338 And I didn't answer. 1611 01:03:58,338 --> 01:03:59,773 I kept walking, and then I heard, 1612 01:03:59,773 --> 01:04:01,608 "[BLEEP] Empire... [BLEEP]" 1613 01:04:01,608 --> 01:04:03,443 So I turned around, and I said... 1614 01:04:03,443 --> 01:04:04,878 "The [BLEEP] did you just say to me? 1615 01:04:04,878 --> 01:04:06,112 And I see... 1616 01:04:07,514 --> 01:04:09,249 the uh, attacker. 1617 01:04:09,249 --> 01:04:10,617 Uh, masked. 1618 01:04:13,453 --> 01:04:15,555 ...that I had said that they were wearing 1619 01:04:15,555 --> 01:04:17,570 MAGA hats, I never said that. 1620 01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:24,230 -" This MAGA country, [BLEEP]." - This MAGA country, [BLEEP]. 1621 01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:25,799 Punches me right in the face. 1622 01:04:26,466 --> 01:04:27,567 [GROANS] 1623 01:04:27,567 --> 01:04:29,350 So I punched his *** back. 1624 01:04:29,436 --> 01:04:30,970 - [SOFT PUNCH] - Hmm? 1625 01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:33,273 And then, um, we started tussling, 1626 01:04:33,273 --> 01:04:34,407 you know, it was very icy. 1627 01:04:36,576 --> 01:04:38,878 Fighting, fighting, fighting. There was a second person 1628 01:04:38,878 --> 01:04:41,114 involved, who was kicking me in my back. 1629 01:04:41,114 --> 01:04:43,416 - [GRUNTING] - [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 1630 01:04:46,753 --> 01:04:48,655 And then I... I smelled bleach. 1631 01:04:48,655 --> 01:04:49,923 I know the smell of bleach. 1632 01:04:49,923 --> 01:04:52,225 MAN: Hit him with the bleach! Hit him with the bleach! 1633 01:04:53,426 --> 01:04:55,228 Then it just stopped. 1634 01:04:55,228 --> 01:04:56,396 And... 1635 01:04:57,664 --> 01:04:59,990 they ran off. 1636 01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:00,800 [DRAMATIC CHORD PLAYS] 1637 01:05:03,603 --> 01:05:05,500 And I... Then I looked down, and I see 1638 01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:06,406 that there's a rope around my neck. 1639 01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:10,343 You hadn't noticed it before... 1640 01:05:10,343 --> 01:05:11,611 No. 'Cause it was so fast. 1641 01:05:11,611 --> 01:05:13,346 I noticed the rope around my neck, 1642 01:05:13,346 --> 01:05:15,480 and I started screaming. 1643 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,484 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. 1644 01:05:19,285 --> 01:05:21,287 If the attackers are never found, 1645 01:05:21,287 --> 01:05:23,857 how will you be able to heal? 1646 01:05:23,857 --> 01:05:25,959 [TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 1647 01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:30,300 Um... 1648 01:05:30,964 --> 01:05:31,965 I don't know. 1649 01:05:31,965 --> 01:05:34,367 Let's just hope that they are. [BREATH TREMBLES] 1650 01:05:34,367 --> 01:05:35,502 You know what I'm saying? 1651 01:05:35,502 --> 01:05:37,504 Like, let's... let's not go there yet. 1652 01:05:39,506 --> 01:05:41,174 [GROANS] 1653 01:05:41,174 --> 01:05:43,430 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1654 01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:44,144 [GROANS] 1655 01:05:44,811 --> 01:05:45,812 MATT: On second thought, 1656 01:05:45,812 --> 01:05:47,347 I don't really feel like Subway. 1657 01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:54,540 Hi, Robin. 1658 01:05:54,587 --> 01:05:56,220 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 1659 01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:57,424 Robin DiAngelo. 1660 01:05:58,558 --> 01:05:59,826 It's an honor. 1661 01:05:59,826 --> 01:06:01,227 It's an honor to meet you. 1662 01:06:01,227 --> 01:06:02,896 It... [SIGHS] Damn it. 1663 01:06:02,896 --> 01:06:05,365 It's nice to meet you, Robin DiAngelo. 1664 01:06:05,365 --> 01:06:06,499 Dr. Robin DiAngelo. 1665 01:06:06,499 --> 01:06:09,836 Is there a, uh, Mr. DiAngelo? 1666 01:06:09,836 --> 01:06:10,904 Asking for a friend. 1667 01:06:10,904 --> 01:06:12,372 Someone of your esteemed... 1668 01:06:12,372 --> 01:06:13,440 Stupid. 1669 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,742 Robin. Would you sign my book? 1670 01:06:15,742 --> 01:06:17,944 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? 1671 01:06:17,944 --> 01:06:20,460 I'm pleading with you to sign my... 1672 01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:21,247 Please, would you sign my book? 1673 01:06:21,915 --> 01:06:23,850 "To your friend, uh, Matt." 1674 01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:25,518 [SIGHS] Okay. 1675 01:06:25,518 --> 01:06:26,619 This is it. 1676 01:06:26,619 --> 01:06:27,887 Don't screw this up. 1677 01:06:27,887 --> 01:06:29,550 Don't mess this up. 1678 01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:30,457 [EXHALES DEEPLY] 1679 01:06:31,124 --> 01:06:32,292 Let's do the work. 1680 01:06:35,929 --> 01:06:37,931 [INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYS] 1681 01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:40,660 [CASH REGISTER DINGS] 1682 01:06:41,101 --> 01:06:42,268 - Hi, Robin. - DIANGELO: Hi. 1683 01:06:43,503 --> 01:06:44,738 And what's your name? [CHUCKLES] 1684 01:06:44,738 --> 01:06:46,306 - I'm Matt. - Matt. Hi, Matt. [CHUCKLES] 1685 01:06:46,306 --> 01:06:47,507 Nice to meet you. 1686 01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:53,790 you have to be careful. [CHUCKLES] 1687 01:06:53,790 --> 01:06:54,948 You can never be too careful. 1688 01:06:55,782 --> 01:06:58,840 Let's... Let's start with the book. 1689 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,653 One of the most important books of the past century, 1690 01:07:00,653 --> 01:07:03,356 I would say, for my money, White Fragility. 1691 01:07:03,356 --> 01:07:04,791 Uh, you've been in this field for a long time. 1692 01:07:04,791 --> 01:07:05,859 You've done a lot. 1693 01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:08,495 What sort of organizations have you, uh, worked with? 1694 01:07:08,495 --> 01:07:10,130 Do you want me to name? 1695 01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:11,464 Oh, sure. I mean... 1696 01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:13,266 Should I name it? I... 1697 01:07:13,266 --> 01:07:15,335 Okay. Well, but I don't want to be held responsible 1698 01:07:15,335 --> 01:07:17,270 for what they do. [LAUGHS] 1699 01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:22,420 Google. Amazon. Snapchat. 1700 01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:23,376 And what do you do for them? 1701 01:07:23,376 --> 01:07:26,112 Sometimes it's a workshop, or it's interactive. 1702 01:07:26,112 --> 01:07:29,382 Maybe it would take place over several hours or a day. 1703 01:07:29,382 --> 01:07:31,651 Let's start with some definitions. 1704 01:07:31,651 --> 01:07:36,289 And probably the biggest one to define is racism. 1705 01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:37,857 Well, if you're talking about a white person, 1706 01:07:37,857 --> 01:07:39,292 and you say this person is racist, 1707 01:07:39,292 --> 01:07:41,394 you're basically, to me, saying this person 1708 01:07:41,394 --> 01:07:43,363 is a product of their society. [CHUCKLES] 1709 01:07:43,363 --> 01:07:44,631 Is it possible for a white person 1710 01:07:44,631 --> 01:07:46,666 to be not racist? 1711 01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:51,838 We're... And so I think of it 1712 01:07:51,838 --> 01:07:54,407 more as a continuum than an either-or. 1713 01:07:54,407 --> 01:07:56,810 Is there any way to get rid of, uh, white privilege? 1714 01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:58,411 If an individual says, 1715 01:07:58,411 --> 01:08:01,648 "I don't want to have this privilege, it feels unfair." 1716 01:08:01,648 --> 01:08:03,490 Is there any way for a man to say, 1717 01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:05,218 "I don't want this privilege"? I mean, we live in patriarchy. 1718 01:08:05,218 --> 01:08:07,354 And you can't just opt out. 1719 01:08:07,354 --> 01:08:09,222 You can do your best to challenge it. 1720 01:08:09,222 --> 01:08:11,358 That, in a way, is opting out. 1721 01:08:11,358 --> 01:08:12,425 That confuses me too, 1722 01:08:12,425 --> 01:08:14,160 because I don't want to mansplain 1723 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,730 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay. 1724 01:08:16,730 --> 01:08:18,932 What is... Maybe that's important. 1725 01:08:18,932 --> 01:08:21,334 - Yeah. - Segue. What is "mansplain"? 1726 01:08:21,334 --> 01:08:23,937 Well, it would be you explaining to me 1727 01:08:23,937 --> 01:08:27,741 either why what you just did wasn't ***ism? 1728 01:08:27,741 --> 01:08:28,975 Or explaining... 1729 01:08:28,975 --> 01:08:30,110 I don't think that's what it is. 1730 01:08:30,110 --> 01:08:33,313 I think "mansplain" is to make an assumption. 1731 01:08:34,481 --> 01:08:36,249 To say something in an assuming way. 1732 01:08:37,283 --> 01:08:40,286 You talked about the problem of, uh... 1733 01:08:40,286 --> 01:08:41,821 of over-smiling... 1734 01:08:41,821 --> 01:08:43,623 - [CHUCKLES] - ...which 1735 01:08:43,623 --> 01:08:45,492 really resonated with me. 1736 01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:47,761 Sometimes smiling at a Black person 1737 01:08:49,129 --> 01:08:51,231 can... can be racist. 1738 01:08:51,231 --> 01:08:54,434 It's a reminder. You know, those thousand daily cuts. 1739 01:08:54,434 --> 01:08:57,170 It's a reminder of your position 1740 01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:58,805 in relation to that other person, right? 1741 01:08:58,805 --> 01:09:01,141 Because that person likely knows 1742 01:09:01,141 --> 01:09:02,809 why I'm smiling at them. 1743 01:09:02,809 --> 01:09:04,577 [CHUCKLES] When I go to the grocery store, 1744 01:09:04,577 --> 01:09:06,312 I don't really look at anybody, 1745 01:09:06,312 --> 01:09:09,182 I just do my thing, but I see a Black person, 1746 01:09:09,182 --> 01:09:11,785 I... I feel almost an uncontrollable 1747 01:09:11,785 --> 01:09:13,920 sense of urgency to signal to them 1748 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,756 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, 1749 01:09:16,756 --> 01:09:18,425 and that they're welcome. 1750 01:09:18,425 --> 01:09:20,760 Is it the right strategy to be... 1751 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,950 for a white person to say, 1752 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:24,831 "Well, hey, I'm just going to operate 1753 01:09:25,799 --> 01:09:27,767 "in this situation as a normal person. 1754 01:09:27,767 --> 01:09:29,200 "I'm not gonna think about race. 1755 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,704 "I'm not gonna notice." Just see people 1756 01:09:30,704 --> 01:09:32,380 as human beings. Is that the way it works? 1757 01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:34,774 Yeah, no. First of all, you do see them as a Black person. 1758 01:09:34,774 --> 01:09:36,543 You do. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend 1759 01:09:36,543 --> 01:09:38,110 I don't notice that there's a Black person 1760 01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:40,947 - in the grocery store. - So we want to notice race, 1761 01:09:40,947 --> 01:09:42,549 but not... not too much. 1762 01:09:42,549 --> 01:09:43,717 We want to be honest that we do. 1763 01:09:43,717 --> 01:09:44,818 We do notice race. 1764 01:09:44,818 --> 01:09:47,153 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. 1765 01:09:47,153 --> 01:09:49,222 - Yeah. Okay. - But think about it. 1766 01:09:49,222 --> 01:09:50,323 But... 1767 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,792 I mean, you notice it. 1768 01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:55,295 Focus on it a little bit, but not too much. 1769 01:09:55,295 --> 01:09:58,198 Yeah. You know, there's a... It's a balance, right? 1770 01:09:58,198 --> 01:09:59,933 'Cause I hear "forget that I'm Black. 1771 01:09:59,933 --> 01:10:01,234 "Don't forget that I'm Black. 1772 01:10:01,234 --> 01:10:03,103 "Notice. Don't notice. 1773 01:10:03,103 --> 01:10:04,537 "Don't deny that you're racist. 1774 01:10:04,537 --> 01:10:06,573 "But also try not to be racist. 1775 01:10:06,573 --> 01:10:08,742 "But don't... But also don't realize that you..." 1776 01:10:08,742 --> 01:10:11,244 - [CHUCKLES] - It makes me... 1777 01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:13,847 - Yeah. - It makes me, uh... 1778 01:10:13,847 --> 01:10:14,914 I'm sorry. I... 1779 01:10:14,914 --> 01:10:16,883 - It's okay. - It just... 1780 01:10:16,883 --> 01:10:19,853 - It makes me feel overwhelmed. - Yeah. Yeah. 1781 01:10:19,853 --> 01:10:20,920 [SNIFFLES] 1782 01:10:24,524 --> 01:10:25,859 Just take your time. 1783 01:10:26,926 --> 01:10:28,628 I know you work on this in your seminars. 1784 01:10:28,628 --> 01:10:33,633 People, uh, workshopping actual real-life scenarios. 1785 01:10:34,467 --> 01:10:37,971 So would you mind, kind of a role play where... 1786 01:10:37,971 --> 01:10:39,572 - Okay. - ...I will, in this scenario, 1787 01:10:39,572 --> 01:10:42,942 be the person of color who's bringing concern to you, 1788 01:10:42,942 --> 01:10:46,790 and then you'll show how to navigate that? 1789 01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:47,447 Sure. 1790 01:10:51,618 --> 01:10:53,386 - Hi, Robin. - Hi. 1791 01:10:53,386 --> 01:10:55,789 I noticed, uh, you passed by me in the hall 1792 01:10:55,789 --> 01:10:56,923 earlier today 1793 01:10:57,424 --> 01:11:01,610 and you were really overdoing the smile, 1794 01:11:01,610 --> 01:11:03,296 and it made me feel, um, 1795 01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:06,266 patronized and it felt racist. 1796 01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:08,334 And... 1797 01:11:09,335 --> 01:11:11,471 I'm thinking about going to HR about it. 1798 01:11:12,972 --> 01:11:14,507 Well, I appreciate you letting me know, 1799 01:11:14,507 --> 01:11:17,510 and I imagine that's not without its risks. 1800 01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:19,279 I certainly would not have intended 1801 01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,348 to have that impact on you, but I'm very clear 1802 01:11:21,348 --> 01:11:23,283 that I did have that impact on you. 1803 01:11:23,283 --> 01:11:25,685 I would love to offer you a repair, 1804 01:11:25,685 --> 01:11:27,987 if... if that's something you're ready for. 1805 01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:29,890 I don't want to talk about it right now. 1806 01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:30,790 - Okay. - Because I'm too... I'm hurt. 1807 01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:32,692 Okay. Understood. 1808 01:11:32,692 --> 01:11:34,494 Um, if that changes, let me know. 1809 01:11:34,494 --> 01:11:35,662 When I'm ready to talk, I'll talk to you. 1810 01:11:35,662 --> 01:11:37,364 Yeah. Understood. 1811 01:11:39,666 --> 01:11:41,267 What I would like to do, could we... 1812 01:11:41,267 --> 01:11:43,200 Let's fast-forward to another day. 1813 01:11:44,170 --> 01:11:45,972 - Next day. - Okay. 1814 01:11:45,972 --> 01:11:47,273 Hi, Robin. 1815 01:11:51,211 --> 01:11:54,214 this time, you didn't even smile at all at me... 1816 01:11:54,214 --> 01:11:56,216 - Okay. - ...and it made me feel 1817 01:11:56,216 --> 01:12:00,820 otherized, excluded, marginalized, um... 1818 01:12:02,422 --> 01:12:03,523 vaporized... 1819 01:12:05,225 --> 01:12:06,726 Now I'm really thinking about going to HR. 1820 01:12:06,726 --> 01:12:08,328 - I don't feel comfortable... - Yeah. 1821 01:12:08,328 --> 01:12:10,630 ...with you in this workplace with me. 1822 01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:11,564 Okay. And yesterday, 1823 01:12:11,564 --> 01:12:13,400 we had the over-smiling incident. 1824 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,567 - Yeah. Now it's under. - Okay. 1825 01:12:14,567 --> 01:12:16,403 It's under-smiling. 1826 01:12:17,437 --> 01:12:19,239 I would say, um, 1827 01:12:20,173 --> 01:12:23,430 "I'm a little bit... I'm a little bit, um, 1828 01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:24,778 "confused about how best to proceed. 1829 01:12:24,778 --> 01:12:27,881 "I can't deny that I am, um... 1830 01:12:27,881 --> 01:12:29,449 "Would you be willing to give me some guidance..." 1831 01:12:29,449 --> 01:12:31,510 I don't think it's up to me 1832 01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:33,190 - to educate you. - Understood. 1833 01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:36,890 Is there anyone you trust, uh, that I can talk to? 1834 01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:39,793 Maybe another white person whose understanding... 1835 01:12:39,793 --> 01:12:40,894 At this point, I think 1836 01:12:40,894 --> 01:12:42,362 we should take separate hallways. 1837 01:12:42,362 --> 01:12:43,463 Okay. 1838 01:12:44,297 --> 01:12:45,899 - So... - Understood. 1839 01:12:46,866 --> 01:12:50,470 That was a very nuanced, uh, situation. 1840 01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:52,772 Yeah, uh, I did my best. [LAUGHS] 1841 01:12:52,772 --> 01:12:54,541 Probably what I would do in that situation. 1842 01:12:54,541 --> 01:12:56,710 The very last thing that I want to do, 1843 01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:59,813 and, uh, it doesn't even feel right to me 1844 01:12:59,813 --> 01:13:01,314 to end this conversation, 1845 01:13:01,314 --> 01:13:03,550 uh, especially when there are people of color 1846 01:13:03,550 --> 01:13:04,718 - in the room. - Okay. 1847 01:13:05,151 --> 01:13:07,253 Ben, if you're willing 1848 01:13:07,253 --> 01:13:10,123 to come and sit with us for just a moment. 1849 01:13:10,123 --> 01:13:11,658 - BEN: Sure. - Um... 1850 01:13:11,658 --> 01:13:12,759 So is Ben... 1851 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,296 Yeah. This is Ben, uh, producer on the film. 1852 01:13:17,497 --> 01:13:19,799 And, um... 1853 01:13:19,799 --> 01:13:22,502 I thought it would be a powerful opportunity to 1854 01:13:23,303 --> 01:13:26,606 speak directly to a person of color and 1855 01:13:26,606 --> 01:13:30,777 confront our racism and also apologize for 1856 01:13:30,777 --> 01:13:34,114 the white supremacist systems that oppress Ben, 1857 01:13:34,114 --> 01:13:36,116 so do you want to go first? 1858 01:13:37,684 --> 01:13:41,540 Well, on behalf of myself and my fellow white people, 1859 01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:42,522 I apologize. 1860 01:13:42,522 --> 01:13:45,725 Uh, it is not you, it is us. 1861 01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:48,628 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best 1862 01:13:49,496 --> 01:13:52,165 to challenge it. 1863 01:13:53,566 --> 01:13:56,469 I want to pay you reparations right now. 1864 01:13:56,469 --> 01:13:58,538 Um, will you accept? 1865 01:13:59,839 --> 01:14:01,574 I... I won't turn it down. 1866 01:14:01,574 --> 01:14:03,760 Okay. I don't know... 1867 01:14:04,811 --> 01:14:06,120 um... 1868 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,682 is 20... well... 1869 01:14:09,349 --> 01:14:11,510 This is all I have. Um... 1870 01:14:11,518 --> 01:14:12,552 I, uh... 1871 01:14:13,586 --> 01:14:14,754 - I know that's not... - Um... 1872 01:14:14,754 --> 01:14:15,989 MATT: That's not gonna... 1873 01:14:17,524 --> 01:14:20,193 That doesn't make up for 400 years of oppression, 1874 01:14:20,193 --> 01:14:23,763 but, um, it's all that I have to give. 1875 01:14:25,165 --> 01:14:26,166 Um... 1876 01:14:28,168 --> 01:14:30,570 I... I don't know if it's ever enough. 1877 01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:33,730 Uh, but what I can say is I appreciate the fact 1878 01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:34,441 that you're putting in the work. 1879 01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:37,610 Um, you know, I... I think you're right. 1880 01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:39,212 I don't think... I don't think it'll ever end. 1881 01:14:39,746 --> 01:14:42,582 But, uh, there is... 1882 01:14:42,582 --> 01:14:45,285 there is small progress I think we made today. 1883 01:14:46,586 --> 01:14:47,620 MATT: Um... 1884 01:14:48,221 --> 01:14:50,560 Did you... Did you want to... 1885 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,858 - That... [CHUCKLES] - ...pay any, uh... 1886 01:14:51,858 --> 01:14:53,426 That was really weird. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 1887 01:14:53,426 --> 01:14:55,610 Why was it weird? 1888 01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:57,564 Uh... Uh, 'cause it seemed really weird to me. 1889 01:14:58,598 --> 01:14:59,599 Why? 1890 01:14:59,599 --> 01:15:01,301 Um, because you just took out your wallet, 1891 01:15:01,301 --> 01:15:02,736 and I don't know, it... 1892 01:15:02,736 --> 01:15:05,205 'Cause I think reparations is like a... 1893 01:15:05,705 --> 01:15:08,274 a systemic, um... 1894 01:15:10,210 --> 01:15:13,813 dynamic and approach and so, I mean, I think that 1895 01:15:14,681 --> 01:15:17,817 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... 1896 01:15:17,817 --> 01:15:19,652 Clearly, you were not offended by that. 1897 01:15:19,652 --> 01:15:21,521 I... I won't turn down cash. 1898 01:15:21,521 --> 01:15:23,890 - Um... [CHUCKLES] - ROBIN: Hmm. 1899 01:15:24,691 --> 01:15:26,192 I think, are we gonna... 1900 01:15:27,694 --> 01:15:30,530 Are we gonna allow ourselves to be uncomfortable and... 1901 01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:32,432 and just do what we can personally, 1902 01:15:32,432 --> 01:15:34,667 or we gonna sit around, 1903 01:15:35,602 --> 01:15:37,270 waiting for the system to catch up? 1904 01:15:39,305 --> 01:15:41,374 Yeah. They go together, right? 1905 01:15:41,374 --> 01:15:43,143 Yeah. But this... this is something 1906 01:15:43,143 --> 01:15:44,611 that I can do right now. 1907 01:15:44,611 --> 01:15:46,513 Why wouldn't I do it? 1908 01:15:52,786 --> 01:15:54,621 and he... he was comfortable with it. 1909 01:15:54,621 --> 01:15:56,289 I just, it seems like it's... 1910 01:15:56,956 --> 01:15:58,792 uh, not a systemic approach. 1911 01:15:58,792 --> 01:16:00,660 - Or it just seemed... - It's not. 1912 01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:01,961 'Cause I'm not waiting for the system. 1913 01:16:01,961 --> 01:16:03,496 - I'm acting as an individual. - ROBIN: Yeah. 1914 01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:09,350 I can go get some cash, for sure. 1915 01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:10,670 In my... Yeah. 1916 01:16:10,670 --> 01:16:12,238 If that's something you... you think... 1917 01:16:12,238 --> 01:16:13,340 Yeah. I don't mind. 1918 01:16:13,340 --> 01:16:14,474 Um... 1919 01:16:14,908 --> 01:16:16,743 If that would be something 1920 01:16:18,311 --> 01:16:20,914 - Yeah. - Okay. Cool. [CHUCKLES] 1921 01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:25,719 [CASH NOTES RUSTLING] 1922 01:16:38,398 --> 01:16:40,667 - That's all the cash I have. - BEN: Oh, well, you know. 1923 01:16:40,667 --> 01:16:42,100 I don't usually carry cash. 1924 01:16:42,602 --> 01:16:43,937 - Thanks. - You're welcome! 1925 01:16:43,937 --> 01:16:45,171 MATT: Um... 1926 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,541 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... 1927 01:16:48,541 --> 01:16:49,609 BEN: Sure. 1928 01:16:49,609 --> 01:16:51,444 [EXHALES] ...for doing that. 1929 01:16:54,814 --> 01:16:56,249 Well, the last thing is, will you sign my book? 1930 01:16:56,783 --> 01:16:58,151 Oh, of course. 1931 01:16:58,151 --> 01:16:59,252 If you don't mind. 1932 01:16:59,252 --> 01:17:00,920 I'm definitely gonna process that. 1933 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,789 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 1934 01:17:04,491 --> 01:17:06,593 MATT: The student has become the teacher. 1935 01:17:07,494 --> 01:17:09,629 My moment has finally arrived. 1936 01:17:09,629 --> 01:17:11,498 [UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING] 1937 01:17:11,498 --> 01:17:12,732 It's time to show other white people 1938 01:17:12,732 --> 01:17:14,100 how to do the work. 1939 01:17:14,901 --> 01:17:17,300 And make a little money in the process. 1940 01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:18,104 I'm taking everything I've learned 1941 01:17:18,104 --> 01:17:19,272 on my anti-racist journey 1942 01:17:19,272 --> 01:17:22,842 and turning it into my own online DEI course. 1943 01:17:22,842 --> 01:17:25,512 Now anybody can earn their own DEI certificate. 1944 01:17:25,512 --> 01:17:28,615 And I've already made $3,248. 1945 01:17:29,115 --> 01:17:30,316 But for a more in-depth approach, 1946 01:17:30,316 --> 01:17:32,285 I'm rolling out an in-person workshop. 1947 01:17:32,285 --> 01:17:35,922 I'm calling it the Do the Work! Workshop. 1948 01:17:35,922 --> 01:17:38,658 With the purpose of providing practical and innovative, 1949 01:17:38,658 --> 01:17:40,260 long-lasting solutions 1950 01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:42,328 to promote equality in our society, 1951 01:17:42,328 --> 01:17:44,431 Do the Work! Workshop was born. 1952 01:17:44,931 --> 01:17:48,168 Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop 1953 01:17:48,168 --> 01:17:50,303 that aims to bring lasting change. 1954 01:17:50,303 --> 01:17:52,172 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 1955 01:17:52,172 --> 01:17:53,273 you're stretching, 1956 01:17:53,273 --> 01:17:54,674 and this is more for you and less for you. 1957 01:17:54,674 --> 01:17:57,430 You're stretching up like this, 1958 01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:58,378 - and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 1959 01:17:58,378 --> 01:18:00,547 What you're doing is you're stretching 1960 01:18:00,547 --> 01:18:01,715 out of your whiteness. 1961 01:18:01,715 --> 01:18:03,850 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 1962 01:18:03,850 --> 01:18:05,518 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 1963 01:18:05,518 --> 01:18:07,200 And you're bringing those 1964 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,189 other experiences into yourself. 1965 01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:11,358 What exactly does it mean 1966 01:18:11,358 --> 01:18:13,660 to do the work with Do the Work! Workshop? 1967 01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:15,128 What does it mean to you to do the work? 1968 01:18:15,128 --> 01:18:16,863 There's a reason we say "do the work." 1969 01:18:16,863 --> 01:18:18,865 And it is a work that you have to do. 1970 01:18:18,865 --> 01:18:20,200 It's right there in the name. 1971 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,301 You know, what is the work? 1972 01:18:21,301 --> 01:18:22,502 It's the work that we're doing. 1973 01:18:22,502 --> 01:18:25,472 It's about the doing, and it's also about the work. 1974 01:18:25,472 --> 01:18:27,874 What is to do? It is to do the thing. 1975 01:18:27,874 --> 01:18:29,476 We might also use the analogy, 1976 01:18:29,476 --> 01:18:32,780 another one I like, of raking leaves. 1977 01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:34,180 Uh, the leaves of racism are falling. 1978 01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:36,160 We're raking them, they keep falling. 1979 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,830 We rake them. 1980 01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:39,519 Uh, but you don't get to a point where you say, 1981 01:18:39,519 --> 01:18:40,954 "Well, I'm done with the leaves." 1982 01:18:40,954 --> 01:18:42,288 Then you have leaves all over the yard. 1983 01:18:42,288 --> 01:18:43,390 How can somebody get involved 1984 01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:44,557 if they're watching this right now? 1985 01:18:44,557 --> 01:18:46,259 Where can people get ahold of you 1986 01:18:46,259 --> 01:18:47,727 and see you for your next workshop? 1987 01:18:47,727 --> 01:18:49,562 We're doing the work as we speak. 1988 01:18:49,562 --> 01:18:51,865 The workshop is happening 1989 01:18:51,865 --> 01:18:53,466 this fall if you would like to sign up. 1990 01:18:53,466 --> 01:18:54,968 You don't need to bring anything with you 1991 01:18:54,968 --> 01:18:56,690 but an open mind. 1992 01:18:56,690 --> 01:18:58,438 We're not letting anyone in who doesn't have an open mind. 1993 01:18:58,438 --> 01:19:01,274 Uh, also, there's a fee, of course, uh, as well. 1994 01:19:01,274 --> 01:19:03,209 That's described in the... 1995 01:19:03,209 --> 01:19:04,611 on the website but, you know, 1996 01:19:04,611 --> 01:19:05,812 the open mind is the main thing. 1997 01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:08,114 Matt, the certified DEI. 1998 01:19:08,114 --> 01:19:09,382 Thank you so much for being here. 1999 01:19:09,382 --> 01:19:10,950 Thank you so much. 2000 01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:12,886 Finding white people willing to do the work 2001 01:19:12,886 --> 01:19:14,220 isn't exactly easy. 2002 01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:16,556 So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist 2003 01:19:16,556 --> 01:19:18,625 which, as we know, is the best place 2004 01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:20,493 for finding white people who are willing to do 2005 01:19:20,493 --> 01:19:21,828 just about anything. 2006 01:19:21,828 --> 01:19:24,664 - [LIGHT APPLAUSE] - [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 2007 01:19:26,332 --> 01:19:28,234 Who's ready to do the work? Anybody? 2008 01:19:28,802 --> 01:19:30,700 I know I am. 2009 01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:32,772 Welcome to the Do the Work! Workshop. 2010 01:19:32,772 --> 01:19:34,107 Thank you all for being here. 2011 01:19:34,107 --> 01:19:36,476 Listen, let's get the credentials 2012 01:19:36,476 --> 01:19:38,144 out of the way upfront. 2013 01:19:38,144 --> 01:19:40,447 Um, I am a certified 2014 01:19:40,447 --> 01:19:43,450 diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2015 01:19:43,450 --> 01:19:44,684 Um, I have the card and all that, 2016 01:19:44,684 --> 01:19:46,619 but I keep the card in the back pocket 2017 01:19:47,420 --> 01:19:50,190 for this because I'm just a person on a journey, 2018 01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:51,291 just like many of you. 2019 01:19:51,291 --> 01:19:53,126 But by the end of the nine steps, 2020 01:19:53,126 --> 01:19:56,262 you're gonna start to feel more like an anti-racist ally. 2021 01:19:56,262 --> 01:19:58,164 That ultimately is our goal here. 2022 01:19:58,164 --> 01:19:59,766 Let's dive in right away with step one. 2023 01:19:59,766 --> 01:20:00,834 And here's what we reflect 2024 01:20:00,834 --> 01:20:02,802 both externally and internally. 2025 01:20:02,802 --> 01:20:04,871 It's all about adopting an appropriate, 2026 01:20:04,871 --> 01:20:07,273 uh, attitude of humility, 2027 01:20:07,273 --> 01:20:09,743 and also realizing that racism lurks, 2028 01:20:09,743 --> 01:20:11,811 uh, many places in society we don't expect it. 2029 01:20:11,811 --> 01:20:13,713 This may seem a little strange. 2030 01:20:13,713 --> 01:20:16,216 So I look around the room and point to 2031 01:20:17,500 --> 01:20:19,586 who we believe, just by looking, 2032 01:20:19,586 --> 01:20:22,322 is the most racist person in the room. 2033 01:20:24,691 --> 01:20:25,692 If you could point. 2034 01:20:26,259 --> 01:20:27,360 I'm out, guys. 2035 01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,928 - Appreciate y'all. - WOMAN: Yeah. 2036 01:20:28,928 --> 01:20:30,330 - MAN: Have a lovely day. - Thank you. 2037 01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:32,932 I appreciate it, but this is definitely not my... 2038 01:20:34,234 --> 01:20:35,568 That's uncomfortable. 2039 01:20:35,568 --> 01:20:37,170 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2040 01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:38,571 This is where I'm pointing. 2041 01:20:39,773 --> 01:20:42,175 'Cause why don't we think about pointing at ourselves? 2042 01:20:42,175 --> 01:20:44,344 Why would we rather get up and leave the room? 2043 01:20:45,111 --> 01:20:46,413 Let's go to step two. 2044 01:20:46,413 --> 01:20:49,490 This is a pretty simple, basic anti-racism concept. 2045 01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:51,184 Racism is non-binary. What does that mean? 2046 01:20:51,184 --> 01:20:53,286 It means racism is on a spectrum. 2047 01:20:53,286 --> 01:20:56,256 What does that mean? It means that racism is fluid. 2048 01:20:56,256 --> 01:20:57,624 You might move up or down. 2049 01:20:57,624 --> 01:20:58,758 So you might say, "Well, 2050 01:20:58,758 --> 01:21:00,293 "I'm kind of a three on the racism scale." 2051 01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:02,362 Uh, but there may be moments when you're a six, 2052 01:21:02,362 --> 01:21:03,863 when you're a nine, God forbid. 2053 01:21:03,863 --> 01:21:06,599 You all have numbers on your desks, 2054 01:21:06,599 --> 01:21:08,568 and those are magnetized. 2055 01:21:08,568 --> 01:21:10,270 Where do you think that you are 2056 01:21:11,404 --> 01:21:12,772 on this scale right now? 2057 01:21:12,772 --> 01:21:13,940 Wherever you would judge yourself. 2058 01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:16,543 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2059 01:21:28,154 --> 01:21:29,456 So, everybody wants to be... 2060 01:21:29,456 --> 01:21:31,758 obviously, we've got a little bit of a traffic jam 2061 01:21:31,758 --> 01:21:33,426 over at zero, one, two. 2062 01:21:33,426 --> 01:21:34,661 Let's just keep that, we'll keep that up there. 2063 01:21:34,661 --> 01:21:36,730 We're gonna keep that in mind as we move on. 2064 01:21:36,730 --> 01:21:39,766 Now, next we move on to what this whole workshop 2065 01:21:39,766 --> 01:21:41,735 is really about, which is uncomfortable conversations. 2066 01:21:41,735 --> 01:21:44,104 Because until we're willing to talk about these things, 2067 01:21:44,104 --> 01:21:46,773 um, healing can't really begin. 2068 01:21:46,773 --> 01:21:47,841 So I want you to think back 2069 01:21:47,841 --> 01:21:50,477 to a racist moment in your life. 2070 01:21:50,477 --> 01:21:52,645 Just something that you remember 2071 01:21:52,645 --> 01:21:53,747 you did or said. 2072 01:21:54,781 --> 01:21:55,949 You wish you could take it back. 2073 01:21:55,949 --> 01:21:57,984 But how does the healing start 2074 01:21:57,984 --> 01:22:00,453 if we're not willing to admit and talk about it? 2075 01:22:00,453 --> 01:22:02,722 I'll give you a racist moment of mine 2076 01:22:02,722 --> 01:22:03,823 from two months ago. 2077 01:22:03,823 --> 01:22:05,125 And I'll tell you exactly what happened. 2078 01:22:05,125 --> 01:22:09,290 I was at a traffic light, 2079 01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:10,130 in my car, 2080 01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:12,399 I see a Black man, man of color, 2081 01:22:12,966 --> 01:22:14,734 appears to be walking up to my car. 2082 01:22:15,368 --> 01:22:16,403 What'd I do, I check to make sure 2083 01:22:16,403 --> 01:22:17,504 the doors are locked. 2084 01:22:17,504 --> 01:22:18,672 And immediately I thought, 2085 01:22:18,672 --> 01:22:20,874 I hope he didn't hear that little click sound. 2086 01:22:21,508 --> 01:22:22,575 Why did I do that? 2087 01:22:23,343 --> 01:22:24,844 I thought he might be trying to carjack me. 2088 01:22:25,645 --> 01:22:27,313 Unconscious bias. 2089 01:22:27,313 --> 01:22:29,582 Now, in this case, the guy behind me did get carjacked. 2090 01:22:31,170 --> 01:22:32,652 But does that mean 2091 01:22:33,486 --> 01:22:36,560 that the assumption was fair? 2092 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,191 Anybody else would like to share? 2093 01:22:38,191 --> 01:22:40,827 Number eight? Racist moment. 2094 01:22:40,827 --> 01:22:43,596 When I was getting my license when I was 16, 2095 01:22:43,596 --> 01:22:46,166 I was in the DMV, and I was really stressed out. 2096 01:22:46,166 --> 01:22:47,534 It was, like, a terrible day. 2097 01:22:50,203 --> 01:22:51,571 and I was just, like, so annoyed by it. 2098 01:22:51,571 --> 01:22:52,839 I was like, "Oh my God, I've heard this song 2099 01:22:52,839 --> 01:22:55,375 "so many times," and I just sort of, like, blurted out, 2100 01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:56,509 and I was like, "Oh God, like, 2101 01:22:56,509 --> 01:22:57,911 "can you please turn off the song?" 2102 01:22:57,911 --> 01:22:59,612 The guy at the DMV was a Puerto Rico guy, 2103 01:22:59,612 --> 01:23:01,247 and he just got really, like, 2104 01:23:01,247 --> 01:23:02,415 offended by it, and I was like, 2105 01:23:02,415 --> 01:23:04,351 "I'm so sorry, like, I really didn't mean that. 2106 01:23:04,351 --> 01:23:06,119 "I just kind of yelled at the song 2107 01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:07,721 "just 'cause I was feeling bad inside, 2108 01:23:07,721 --> 01:23:09,890 "but it just came off really bad." 2109 01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:10,724 And I still feel bad about that every day. 2110 01:23:12,726 --> 01:23:13,727 It was racist. 2111 01:23:16,296 --> 01:23:17,797 We're not here to lie to ourselves. 2112 01:23:17,797 --> 01:23:18,898 Now things are getting heated up. 2113 01:23:18,898 --> 01:23:19,966 Now we move on to step six. 2114 01:23:19,966 --> 01:23:21,401 Over-smiling. 2115 01:23:21,401 --> 01:23:22,769 When you're in a room with a Black person 2116 01:23:22,769 --> 01:23:24,738 or person of color, there's this compulsion 2117 01:23:24,738 --> 01:23:27,107 that people have to smile too much. 2118 01:23:27,107 --> 01:23:28,274 You're overcompensating. 2119 01:23:28,274 --> 01:23:29,776 I like to put words into action, 2120 01:23:29,776 --> 01:23:32,112 so Ben, if you wouldn't mind. Ben. 2121 01:23:32,879 --> 01:23:35,382 Uh, let's... for Ben here. Thank you. 2122 01:23:37,283 --> 01:23:40,860 Thanks, Ben. Now, Ben is going to stand here, and 2123 01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:42,422 let's try to look at Ben 2124 01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:46,326 in the least racist way that we know how. 2125 01:23:46,326 --> 01:23:48,528 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2126 01:24:00,306 --> 01:24:02,776 I think he's not looking at us, so it's kind of awkward 2127 01:24:02,776 --> 01:24:05,979 to look at someone like they're a specimen. 2128 01:24:05,979 --> 01:24:07,470 If that makes sense. 2129 01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:08,448 Like the... the exercise itself 2130 01:24:08,448 --> 01:24:09,849 is a little awkward, and... 2131 01:24:09,849 --> 01:24:11,985 It's not his job as a Black man 2132 01:24:11,985 --> 01:24:14,120 to make us feel comfortable in this moment. 2133 01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,389 That's not what I was saying though. 2134 01:24:16,389 --> 01:24:18,558 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2135 01:24:25,632 --> 01:24:26,633 Hmm. 2136 01:24:29,803 --> 01:24:30,837 Thanks, Ben. 2137 01:24:33,206 --> 01:24:35,742 Now we're gonna really take the gloves off. 2138 01:24:35,742 --> 01:24:37,510 This is where things get real. 2139 01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:39,212 White silence. 2140 01:24:39,212 --> 01:24:41,981 White silence is when we remain silent 2141 01:24:41,981 --> 01:24:43,383 in the face of bigotry and racism. 2142 01:24:43,383 --> 01:24:45,552 Now, what we like to tell ourselves is that 2143 01:24:45,552 --> 01:24:49,856 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? 2144 01:24:49,856 --> 01:24:53,660 As long as I'm not voting for Donald Trump, 2145 01:24:54,260 --> 01:24:55,528 I'm not racist. 2146 01:24:55,528 --> 01:24:58,898 By not taking action in the face of racism, 2147 01:24:58,898 --> 01:25:01,434 we are participating in that racism. 2148 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,403 But here's the good news, 2149 01:25:03,403 --> 01:25:06,506 it's never too late to break the white silence 2150 01:25:06,506 --> 01:25:08,174 and speak up against racism. 2151 01:25:08,174 --> 01:25:09,609 Things are gonna really get uncomfortable now 2152 01:25:09,609 --> 01:25:10,910 especially for me. 2153 01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:14,280 Because what I want to do is lead by example. 2154 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,382 My uncle Frank is here today. 2155 01:25:15,382 --> 01:25:16,583 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. 2156 01:25:17,417 --> 01:25:19,419 [WHEELS SQUEAKING] 2157 01:25:28,795 --> 01:25:29,796 Thank you, Ben. 2158 01:25:29,796 --> 01:25:31,931 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2159 01:25:35,168 --> 01:25:36,169 Uncle Frank. 2160 01:25:37,971 --> 01:25:39,606 It was 20 years ago 2161 01:25:39,606 --> 01:25:42,475 that you sat at the dinner table with us, 2162 01:25:42,475 --> 01:25:43,743 and not a day has gone by 2163 01:25:43,743 --> 01:25:45,245 that I haven't thought about this. 2164 01:25:46,746 --> 01:25:48,114 You sat at that dinner table, 2165 01:25:48,114 --> 01:25:50,483 and you made what you said was a... 2166 01:25:51,418 --> 01:25:52,519 "joke." 2167 01:25:53,987 --> 01:25:55,321 You asked the question, what's the difference 2168 01:25:55,321 --> 01:25:58,324 between a Mexican man and a picnic table? 2169 01:25:58,324 --> 01:26:00,160 And the answer was, 2170 01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,296 a picnic table can support a family of five. 2171 01:26:04,798 --> 01:26:06,320 You're still laughing. 2172 01:26:06,599 --> 01:26:08,168 We all laughed at the table. 2173 01:26:08,168 --> 01:26:10,170 I laughed. 2174 01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:11,805 But I was scared and confused. 2175 01:26:11,805 --> 01:26:13,440 And I was a coward. 2176 01:26:14,541 --> 01:26:16,976 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. 2177 01:26:17,477 --> 01:26:20,180 You had no right to make that joke! 2178 01:26:21,140 --> 01:26:23,383 Latinx Americans, they come to this country 2179 01:26:23,383 --> 01:26:24,951 and they work hard! 2180 01:26:25,685 --> 01:26:28,621 And your little joke dehumanizes. 2181 01:26:28,621 --> 01:26:29,889 It is not funny! 2182 01:26:30,623 --> 01:26:31,825 Uncle Frank, 2183 01:26:31,825 --> 01:26:36,863 it is not funny to mock marginalized people! 2184 01:26:36,863 --> 01:26:38,465 It's not a joke! 2185 01:26:38,465 --> 01:26:39,966 It's not funny... 2186 01:26:41,334 --> 01:26:42,635 Uncle Frank. 2187 01:26:47,730 --> 01:26:48,708 Okay. Who wants to go next? 2188 01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:53,847 Does anybody have some words for Uncle Frank? 2189 01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:56,916 We're breaking the white silence here today. 2190 01:27:01,588 --> 01:27:04,900 Uh, number six, you're of Hispanic descent. 2191 01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:05,358 What are your thoughts? 2192 01:27:06,192 --> 01:27:07,527 Mm, I have a lot of thoughts, 2193 01:27:07,527 --> 01:27:09,963 but I just feel like it would be wasted on him. 2194 01:27:09,963 --> 01:27:11,364 But I do have one thing to say. 2195 01:27:11,364 --> 01:27:13,133 If... With your permission. 2196 01:27:14,234 --> 01:27:15,535 [BLEEP] you. 2197 01:27:18,705 --> 01:27:20,473 Yeah, man. [BLEEP] you. 2198 01:27:21,574 --> 01:27:22,575 MATT: Mm. 2199 01:27:22,575 --> 01:27:24,770 I don't talk to anyone in my family 2200 01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:27,470 because they're all [BLEEP] racist white pieces of trash 2201 01:27:27,470 --> 01:27:28,248 in a lot of different ways, 2202 01:27:28,248 --> 01:27:30,316 but the racism is the biggest reason. 2203 01:27:30,316 --> 01:27:31,918 I have cut off every person in my life, 2204 01:27:31,918 --> 01:27:33,486 including my mother and father, 2205 01:27:33,486 --> 01:27:35,889 grandparents, everything. I do not give a [BLEEP]. 2206 01:27:36,456 --> 01:27:37,457 Powerful. 2207 01:27:37,457 --> 01:27:40,160 The message, it's clear. 2208 01:27:42,595 --> 01:27:43,897 Okay, Ben. 2209 01:27:43,897 --> 01:27:45,265 Uh, if you wouldn't mind. 2210 01:27:47,667 --> 01:27:49,803 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2211 01:27:53,273 --> 01:27:54,274 Thanks, Uncle Frank. 2212 01:27:54,274 --> 01:27:55,742 See you this weekend. 2213 01:27:56,910 --> 01:27:58,445 All right. Emotions are high, 2214 01:27:58,445 --> 01:28:00,680 and this is where we finally get to step nine. 2215 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,749 We have to ask ourselves, are we ready for 2216 01:28:02,749 --> 01:28:05,352 the healing pain? 2217 01:28:06,486 --> 01:28:07,487 Now, 2218 01:28:08,355 --> 01:28:10,957 this is when we get to the self-flagellation portion, 2219 01:28:10,957 --> 01:28:12,192 which is the final step. 2220 01:28:12,192 --> 01:28:13,793 - ATTENDEE: Wow. - Would you mind taking a whip? 2221 01:28:17,297 --> 01:28:18,698 Thank you. Thank you. 2222 01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,350 MAN 1: What is... 2223 01:28:23,636 --> 01:28:25,372 MAN 2: Dude, this is ridiculous. 2224 01:28:25,372 --> 01:28:27,607 - I'm outta here. You're nuts. - WOMAN: [LAUGHS] Me too. 2225 01:28:27,607 --> 01:28:28,808 - I can't do this. - Um... 2226 01:28:28,808 --> 01:28:31,378 MAN 2: I tried, man. I tried. I'm seriously done. 2227 01:28:31,378 --> 01:28:33,313 MATT: I said it was gonna be uncomfortable. 2228 01:28:34,814 --> 01:28:35,815 [DOOR SHUTS] 2229 01:28:36,683 --> 01:28:38,885 Why weren't they willing to whip themselves? 2230 01:28:39,986 --> 01:28:42,822 Wait. Why were these people willing to whip themselves? 2231 01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:45,250 None of this feels right. 2232 01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:51,331 Um... 2233 01:28:52,565 --> 01:28:53,600 [MATT SNIFFS] 2234 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,201 Hang on. 2235 01:28:59,105 --> 01:29:00,340 This is probably too far. 2236 01:29:00,940 --> 01:29:02,242 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 2237 01:29:02,242 --> 01:29:04,844 Okay, the workshop's over. [FUMBLES] It's over. 2238 01:29:04,844 --> 01:29:07,800 That was... That's step nine, so... 2239 01:29:08,682 --> 01:29:10,830 Yeah, it's over. Seriously. 2240 01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:12,552 Yep. Thanks. Okay. 2241 01:29:22,729 --> 01:29:23,897 [CASH REGISTER DINGS] 2242 01:29:25,432 --> 01:29:26,599 What am I doing? 2243 01:29:28,301 --> 01:29:29,869 What have I become? 2244 01:29:31,371 --> 01:29:32,939 Am I making the world better 2245 01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,943 or am I just profiting on people's racial guilt? 2246 01:29:38,411 --> 01:29:40,246 This is all wrong. 2247 01:29:40,780 --> 01:29:43,283 I followed the anti-racist playbook, 2248 01:29:43,283 --> 01:29:45,151 and it led to disaster. 2249 01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:49,122 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 2250 01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:52,158 All across America, 2251 01:29:52,158 --> 01:29:54,494 many companies have implemented a division 2252 01:29:54,494 --> 01:29:57,630 of diversity, equity, and inclusion. 2253 01:29:57,630 --> 01:29:58,898 And it's important to have this in the workplace 2254 01:29:58,898 --> 01:30:02,168 no matter how big or small the organization may be. 2255 01:30:02,168 --> 01:30:03,937 Joining us this morning is Matt, 2256 01:30:03,937 --> 01:30:07,340 a certified diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2257 01:30:07,340 --> 01:30:08,441 Good morning. 2258 01:30:10,477 --> 01:30:11,478 Morning. 2259 01:30:11,478 --> 01:30:13,179 Tell us about your journey. 2260 01:30:14,681 --> 01:30:16,649 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... 2261 01:30:17,951 --> 01:30:18,952 Yeah. 2262 01:30:21,755 --> 01:30:25,859 And what led you to host this workshop? 2263 01:30:25,859 --> 01:30:27,927 Why is this an important initiative, 2264 01:30:27,927 --> 01:30:30,497 and how did you go about putting the workshop together? 2265 01:30:31,331 --> 01:30:32,999 We just did a workshop, 2266 01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:34,868 uh, 2267 01:30:34,868 --> 01:30:37,203 you know, it didn't go well. Honestly, I'd... 2268 01:30:39,673 --> 01:30:40,674 It... 2269 01:30:42,509 --> 01:30:44,411 I think it's doing more harm than good. 2270 01:30:45,245 --> 01:30:46,846 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. 2271 01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:50,150 So when we think about diversity, equity, 2272 01:30:50,150 --> 01:30:52,585 and inclusion, as we mentioned, there are, 2273 01:30:52,585 --> 01:30:57,390 um, keys to what an organization should focus on. 2274 01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:01,828 So what would you say is, uh, the key for the learning 2275 01:31:01,828 --> 01:31:03,496 that we may want to be doing? 2276 01:31:05,331 --> 01:31:07,734 Even if we're not quite there yet, right? 2277 01:31:08,435 --> 01:31:09,769 Just, uh... 2278 01:31:11,710 --> 01:31:12,505 Just go live your life. 2279 01:31:14,908 --> 01:31:15,909 I gotta go. 2280 01:31:18,545 --> 01:31:20,847 [SOMBER ELECTRO-ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 2281 01:31:52,245 --> 01:31:53,246 [MUSIC ENDS] 2282 01:32:02,956 --> 01:32:05,158 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 2283 01:32:07,694 --> 01:32:08,828 Black, right? 2284 01:32:09,329 --> 01:32:10,663 Yeah. Thanks. 2285 01:32:10,663 --> 01:32:12,766 Haven't seen you around here in a while. 2286 01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:15,100 Yeah. I been out doing the work. 2287 01:32:15,535 --> 01:32:16,536 Huh? 2288 01:32:19,205 --> 01:32:20,206 What does that mean? 2289 01:32:21,307 --> 01:32:22,942 [SIGHS] Well... 2290 01:32:23,543 --> 01:32:24,711 - [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] - White Fragility 2291 01:32:24,711 --> 01:32:26,312 is a really great place to start. 2292 01:32:26,312 --> 01:32:28,848 BYRD: The reason we cannot be colorblind now, 2293 01:32:28,848 --> 01:32:30,884 we're still working on the problem. 2294 01:32:30,884 --> 01:32:32,152 I'm not going to pretend I don't notice 2295 01:32:32,152 --> 01:32:33,853 that there's a Black person in the grocery store. 2296 01:32:33,853 --> 01:32:35,555 DEI certified. I'm here to help. 2297 01:32:35,555 --> 01:32:37,390 We live in a white supremacist society. 2298 01:32:37,390 --> 01:32:40,994 Whiteness is even more insidious than I even knew. 2299 01:32:40,994 --> 01:32:42,729 The only thing about white culture 2300 01:32:42,729 --> 01:32:44,698 is buying things and stealing things. 2301 01:32:44,698 --> 01:32:46,633 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 2302 01:32:47,467 --> 01:32:48,835 America is racist to its bones. 2303 01:32:48,835 --> 01:32:50,303 - Um... - It has to burn. 2304 01:32:50,303 --> 01:32:52,720 The entire system has to burn. 2305 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,574 "Why are you blaming me for what my ancestors did? 2306 01:32:54,574 --> 01:32:55,675 "It's not my fault." 2307 01:32:55,675 --> 01:32:57,711 We want to rename the George Washington Monument. 2308 01:32:57,711 --> 01:32:58,812 This country is a piece of shit. 2309 01:32:58,812 --> 01:33:00,380 - [PLATES CRASH] - Love is also 2310 01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,848 not always patient and kind. 2311 01:33:01,848 --> 01:33:04,718 It's not that much different than Nazi doctors. 2312 01:33:04,718 --> 01:33:06,319 Republicans are Nazis. 2313 01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:08,421 Kindness is not what is called for. 2314 01:33:08,421 --> 01:33:10,900 It's not funny, Uncle Frank! 2315 01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:11,424 [BLEEP] you. 2316 01:33:12,225 --> 01:33:13,693 I can go get some cash, for sure. 2317 01:33:14,394 --> 01:33:16,620 Raise a glass if you're racist. 2318 01:33:16,620 --> 01:33:17,230 [LAUGHING] 2319 01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:21,701 Okay. 2320 01:33:22,602 --> 01:33:24,170 Let me know if you need anything else. 2321 01:33:24,170 --> 01:33:27,941 You know, this experience has really taught me something. 2322 01:33:27,941 --> 01:33:30,543 The anti-racist industry says that America is racist 2323 01:33:30,543 --> 01:33:32,245 down to its bones. 2324 01:33:32,879 --> 01:33:34,347 And if that were true, 2325 01:33:34,347 --> 01:33:36,516 there wouldn't be anything we could do about it. 2326 01:33:37,117 --> 01:33:39,853 White people could only wallow in their guilt, 2327 01:33:39,853 --> 01:33:42,188 and Black people in their victimhood... 2328 01:33:44,290 --> 01:33:45,892 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2329 01:33:45,892 --> 01:33:47,627 But it's a lie. 2330 01:33:50,263 --> 01:33:51,765 Look, we'll never live in a utopia. 2331 01:33:51,765 --> 01:33:53,660 We all know that. 2332 01:33:53,867 --> 01:33:54,968 But we don't have to be held hostage 2333 01:33:54,968 --> 01:33:56,903 by these race-baiting con artists 2334 01:33:56,903 --> 01:33:59,339 who want us to be bitter and angry 2335 01:33:59,339 --> 01:34:00,607 and resentful. 2336 01:34:01,741 --> 01:34:03,276 They're selling us the disease. 2337 01:34:03,276 --> 01:34:05,745 They're telling us there's no cure. 2338 01:34:05,745 --> 01:34:07,580 They don't say that I'm racist, 2339 01:34:07,580 --> 01:34:10,817 and you're a victim, because that's what they think we are. 2340 01:34:12,252 --> 01:34:13,319 They tell us that 2341 01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:15,455 because that's what they want us to be. 2342 01:34:16,856 --> 01:34:19,826 Well, it's time for us to say no. 2343 01:34:19,826 --> 01:34:21,928 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES] 2344 01:34:33,473 --> 01:34:35,141 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 2345 01:34:35,709 --> 01:34:37,510 Yeah! Yeah! [LAUGHING] 2346 01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:46,186 [MUSIC STOPS] 2347 01:34:46,186 --> 01:34:47,954 [UTENSILS CLACKING] 2348 01:34:55,395 --> 01:34:57,530 [CHUCKLES] I got a lot of tables. 2349 01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:59,632 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2350 01:35:00,567 --> 01:35:02,869 Hey. You wanna hear a joke? 2351 01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:10,100 [DIALOGUE MUTED] 2352 01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:11,344 [AM I RACIST? BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 2353 01:35:11,344 --> 01:35:13,580 [RAPPING] ♪ I wanna know, am I racist? ♪ 2354 01:35:15,150 --> 01:35:16,160 ♪ Am I racist? ♪ 2355 01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,984 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ 2356 01:35:17,984 --> 01:35:20,653 ♪ Is racial division just a plan by the matrix? ♪ 2357 01:35:20,653 --> 01:35:21,721 ♪ They burn down our cities ♪ 2358 01:35:21,721 --> 01:35:23,230 ♪ Then they get called courageous ♪ 2359 01:35:23,230 --> 01:35:25,859 ♪ Instead of condemning, the media give 'em praises ♪ 2360 01:35:25,859 --> 01:35:28,194 ♪ Oh, man, what is the benefit? ♪ 2361 01:35:28,194 --> 01:35:30,300 ♪ When the media ruin our images ♪ 2362 01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:32,599 ♪ If you a white male, you get called a white supremacist ♪ 2363 01:35:32,599 --> 01:35:35,769 ♪ If your opinion and the narrative have differences ♪ 2364 01:35:35,769 --> 01:35:38,271 ♪ Couple that in with all the censorship ♪ 2365 01:35:38,271 --> 01:35:40,407 ♪ And the damage they can do is limitless ♪ 2366 01:35:40,407 --> 01:35:42,976 ♪ No Brad Cooper but celebrities defendin' it ♪ 2367 01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:46,479 ♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2368 01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,815 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2369 01:35:48,815 --> 01:35:51,317 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2370 01:35:51,317 --> 01:35:53,820 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2371 01:35:53,820 --> 01:35:56,723 ♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2372 01:35:56,723 --> 01:35:58,958 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2373 01:35:58,958 --> 01:36:01,428 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2374 01:36:01,428 --> 01:36:03,797 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2375 01:36:03,797 --> 01:36:06,399 ♪ They make you think that there's no way you can win ♪ 2376 01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:08,802 ♪ Another news clip, here we go again ♪ 2377 01:36:08,802 --> 01:36:11,471 ♪ Judgin' somebody by the color of their skin ♪ 2378 01:36:11,471 --> 01:36:13,807 ♪ Meanwhile, it's all comin' to an end ♪ 2379 01:36:13,807 --> 01:36:16,409 ♪ They ask why, and I just tell 'em, listen ♪ 2380 01:36:16,409 --> 01:36:18,812 ♪ Are you mad because we don't think you a victim ♪ 2381 01:36:18,812 --> 01:36:21,281 ♪ You made bad choices, then you blame it on the system ♪ 2382 01:36:21,281 --> 01:36:23,683 ♪ Nowadays bein' white means you can't have an opinion ♪ 2383 01:36:23,683 --> 01:36:25,180 ♪ Especially if you Christian ♪ 2384 01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:27,187 ♪ Tell me, is it racist to not want our cities ♪ 2385 01:36:27,187 --> 01:36:28,855 ♪ Burned down by these mobs ♪ 2386 01:36:28,855 --> 01:36:31,157 ♪ To not want our stores always gettin' robbed ♪ 2387 01:36:31,157 --> 01:36:34,194 ♪ Is it racist to treat our race like it's a god ♪ 2388 01:36:34,194 --> 01:36:36,930 ♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2389 01:36:36,930 --> 01:36:39,432 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2390 01:36:39,432 --> 01:36:41,835 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2391 01:36:41,835 --> 01:36:44,270 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2392 01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:47,107 ♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2393 01:36:47,107 --> 01:36:49,509 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2394 01:36:49,509 --> 01:36:51,945 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2395 01:36:51,945 --> 01:36:54,447 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2396 01:36:54,447 --> 01:36:55,515 ♪ When you say it ♪ 2397 01:36:56,182 --> 01:36:57,884 CHOIR: [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2398 01:36:57,884 --> 01:37:00,487 ♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2399 01:37:00,487 --> 01:37:05,291 ♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2400 01:37:05,291 --> 01:37:07,994 - ♪ Lord, set us free ♪ - ♪ Sing! ♪ 2401 01:37:07,994 --> 01:37:10,530 ♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2402 01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:13,400 - ♪ Will you set us free ♪ - ♪ No! Sing! ♪ 2403 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,502 ♪ Set us free ♪ 2404 01:37:15,502 --> 01:37:17,504 BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2405 01:37:17,504 --> 01:37:19,839 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2406 01:37:19,839 --> 01:37:22,242 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2407 01:37:22,242 --> 01:37:24,678 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2408 01:37:24,678 --> 01:37:27,547 ♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2409 01:37:27,547 --> 01:37:29,883 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2410 01:37:29,883 --> 01:37:32,218 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2411 01:37:32,218 --> 01:37:34,854 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2412 01:37:34,854 --> 01:37:37,691 ♪ When you say it They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2413 01:37:37,691 --> 01:37:40,600 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2414 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,529 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2415 01:37:42,529 --> 01:37:44,898 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2416 01:37:44,898 --> 01:37:47,767 ♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ 2417 01:37:47,767 --> 01:37:50,700 ♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2418 01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:52,472 ♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2419 01:37:52,472 --> 01:37:55,108 ♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2420 01:37:55,108 --> 01:37:57,410 ♪ When you say it When you say it ♪ 2421 01:37:57,410 --> 01:38:00,146 [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free? ♪ 2422 01:38:00,146 --> 01:38:01,247 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2423 01:38:01,247 --> 01:38:05,151 ♪ Set us free ♪ 2424 01:38:06,619 --> 01:38:08,621 - [SONG ENDS] - [LINE RINGING] 2425 01:38:11,925 --> 01:38:13,460 WOMAN: Thank you for calling the Boulder Bookstore. 2426 01:38:13,460 --> 01:38:14,961 How can I help you? 2427 01:38:14,961 --> 01:38:16,596 Hi. I was just in the other day, 2428 01:38:16,596 --> 01:38:18,231 and I saw a certain book that, uh, 2429 01:38:18,231 --> 01:38:20,433 I wasn't ready to read at the time, 2430 01:38:20,433 --> 01:38:22,100 but I think I'm ready. I wanted to see if you guys 2431 01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:23,570 still have it in stock. 2432 01:38:23,570 --> 01:38:25,710 Yeah, what was the title? 2433 01:38:25,672 --> 01:38:29,442 Uh, it starts... So it starts with an "N." 2434 01:38:29,442 --> 01:38:30,744 Um... 2435 01:38:30,744 --> 01:38:31,978 I don't remember the... 2436 01:38:33,790 --> 01:38:34,447 I don't remember the author. 2437 01:38:37,484 --> 01:38:38,618 Um... 2438 01:38:38,618 --> 01:38:40,186 It... It's... 2439 01:38:40,186 --> 01:38:42,522 You don't know the title of the book either? 2440 01:38:43,289 --> 01:38:44,991 Well, it... it's, uh... 2441 01:38:44,991 --> 01:38:46,326 'Cause it got... It's kind of... 2442 01:38:46,326 --> 01:38:48,328 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... 2443 01:38:48,328 --> 01:38:49,529 Well, there's... 2444 01:38:49,529 --> 01:38:51,331 It's like there's... there's a vowel, there's consonants, 2445 01:38:51,331 --> 01:38:52,866 there's a vowel. Um... 2446 01:38:53,767 --> 01:38:55,468 It... It's one word. 2447 01:38:55,468 --> 01:38:57,971 I really... I don't know how to look it up 2448 01:38:57,971 --> 01:39:00,400 without the title or the author. 2449 01:39:01,740 --> 01:39:02,842 Well, it's got kind of... So it starts with an "N." 2450 01:39:02,842 --> 01:39:04,811 And then it's got kind of, sort of, it's got an "I," 2451 01:39:04,811 --> 01:39:07,800 uh, there, it... it's... 2452 01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,500 I guess... I mean, we've got thousands of books, 2453 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:12,318 so I don't really know how to look it up 2454 01:39:12,318 --> 01:39:16,220 with just knowing the two... first two letters. 2455 01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:18,892 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." 2456 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:21,761 There's the... It's a "G..." 2457 01:39:23,163 --> 01:39:24,564 is in there, and there's another one. 2458 01:39:24,564 --> 01:39:27,100 Let me put you on a brief hold and go check. 2459 01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:29,369 [HOLD MUSIC PLAYING] 2460 01:39:29,369 --> 01:39:30,437 [SNIFFS] 2461 01:39:34,674 --> 01:39:38,440 Thanks for holding. Um, I'm not seeing anything. 2462 01:39:38,878 --> 01:39:41,470 I mean, maybe try to think of the title 2463 01:39:41,470 --> 01:39:43,283 - if you can and call back? - Well, it's... 2464 01:39:43,283 --> 01:39:45,118 Sorry, sorry. I... I know the title. 2465 01:39:45,118 --> 01:39:47,253 I just can't... I can't say the title. 2466 01:39:48,355 --> 01:39:49,356 - And I... - Okay. 2467 01:39:49,356 --> 01:39:51,240 I don't know. I don't think you can say it either, 2468 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:52,125 so I don't... 2469 01:39:52,125 --> 01:39:53,893 It's a very... It's a triggering title. 2470 01:39:53,893 --> 01:39:55,895 Uh, it actually rhymes with "trigger," actually, 2471 01:39:55,895 --> 01:39:58,231 and, uh, so... 2472 01:40:00,433 --> 01:40:01,968 but that's what I was wondering, 2473 01:40:01,968 --> 01:40:03,269 if it was there. 2474 01:40:05,271 --> 01:40:09,420 Um, I mean, I didn't see it when I just went and looked. 2475 01:40:09,420 --> 01:40:10,777 Okay. But you know what I'm talking about? 2476 01:40:10,777 --> 01:40:11,878 Yeah. 2477 01:40:11,878 --> 01:40:13,646 It... It's that book. 2478 01:40:13,646 --> 01:40:15,148 - Yeah. - MATT: Okay. 2479 01:40:15,782 --> 01:40:17,884 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS]