1 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:20,854 -[bat strikes ball] -[crowd cheering] 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,689 [announcer] Line drive to right field... 3 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:25,759 [man] Solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth... 4 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:29,829 [Marion Jones] I have never, ever failed a drug test. 5 00:00:30,363 --> 00:00:33,266 Before, during and after the Olympics. 6 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:37,370 Over 160 drug tests. 7 00:00:37,437 --> 00:00:40,440 I have never failed a test. 8 00:00:41,408 --> 00:00:44,210 [woman] For the record, have you ever used human growth hormone 9 00:00:44,277 --> 00:00:47,247 or any other performance-enhancing substance? 10 00:00:48,140 --> 00:00:49,150 [Lance Armstrong] No. 11 00:00:49,820 --> 00:00:51,117 [man] I'm trying to make sure your testimony's clear. 12 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:52,886 [Armstrong] How many times do I have to say it? 13 00:00:52,952 --> 00:00:54,287 I've never taken drugs. 14 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,256 [man] You're winning the Tour de France... 15 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:57,524 [Armstrong] How clear is that? 16 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:58,792 [man] ...win the Tour de France, 17 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:02,195 like the all-time greats who've ever won this big event. 18 00:01:02,262 --> 00:01:04,397 [Armstrong] Extraordinary accusations... 19 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:09,302 must be followed up with extraordinary proof. 20 00:01:11,771 --> 00:01:14,740 And they have not come up with extraordinary proof. 21 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:33,493 [Bryan Fogel] See... 22 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:36,796 We have... 23 00:01:37,564 --> 00:01:40,600 ...this mountain bike. 24 00:01:42,836 --> 00:01:44,437 Loading up the Thule rack. 25 00:01:44,504 --> 00:01:49,275 And this is my entire life in the car right now, 26 00:01:49,676 --> 00:01:52,645 set up, ready for insanity. 27 00:01:53,646 --> 00:01:57,984 I'm getting ready for the single hardest amateur cycling event in the world. 28 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,755 It's basically a miniature Tour de France for insane people. 29 00:02:01,821 --> 00:02:04,924 [man] Does it qualify for anything if you do well with it? 30 00:02:04,991 --> 00:02:06,192 [Fogel] Yeah, stupidity. 31 00:02:07,193 --> 00:02:08,862 [both laughing] 32 00:02:09,662 --> 00:02:15,168 I've been riding for 28 years seriously, but never as a professional. 33 00:02:15,268 --> 00:02:18,772 Going to these massive amateur events that are not professional, 34 00:02:18,838 --> 00:02:23,977 but, I mean, there's serious guys there. And the... [laughs] 35 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,347 -Max! He loves... He's got a foot fetish. -[man laughs] It tickles! 36 00:02:30,617 --> 00:02:34,354 [Fogel] I certainly didn't know when I started on this 37 00:02:34,854 --> 00:02:36,289 what it was gonna lead to. 38 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:42,128 When LeMond won that first Tour de France, 39 00:02:42,195 --> 00:02:44,497 I was in seventh grade, I think. 40 00:02:44,564 --> 00:02:48,100 [man] Can you believe it? After over 2,000 miles... 41 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,136 His name in French means "the world," 42 00:02:50,203 --> 00:02:52,672 and this is the world of Greg LeMond in Paris today. 43 00:02:52,739 --> 00:02:55,141 [Fogel] Being the first American to win it, 44 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:57,344 it really brought me into the sport. 45 00:02:58,244 --> 00:03:00,647 I ate a wheel going about 40 miles an hour. 46 00:03:00,714 --> 00:03:05,180 I spent my entire freshman year of college with plastic teeth in my mouth. 47 00:03:05,585 --> 00:03:07,487 I would've kept racing if it wasn't for that. 48 00:03:07,554 --> 00:03:08,888 [man] He's really hurting... 49 00:03:08,988 --> 00:03:13,159 [Fogel] Later, Armstrong came along. That was a whole other ball of wax. 50 00:03:13,226 --> 00:03:15,428 [man] ...off the back wheel of Armstrong, 51 00:03:15,528 --> 00:03:17,597 -they can't respond to pressure. -[man 2] The gap is there. 52 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:20,166 He is just going faster and faster and faster. 53 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:22,602 [man] This has to be the greatest comeback in any sport. 54 00:03:22,702 --> 00:03:25,605 The fact that Armstrong managed to conquer cancer was unbelievable. 55 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:28,441 Now he's riding at the front of the Tour de France like a Trojan. 56 00:03:30,577 --> 00:03:33,613 [Fogel] I think I'm a year and a half younger than Lance. 57 00:03:34,581 --> 00:03:36,182 He was kind of my hero. 58 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:41,221 [Oprah Winfrey] For now, I'd just like a yes or a no. 59 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:46,260 Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Yes. 61 00:03:52,532 --> 00:03:56,469 [Fogel] I'd always suspected that he had been doping. 62 00:03:58,104 --> 00:04:01,975 I felt that I didn't really wanna know. 63 00:04:04,377 --> 00:04:06,880 Because a lot of the guys that he raced with 64 00:04:06,946 --> 00:04:10,984 and guys who had raced against him that I'd just known over the years... 65 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,620 they were my friends. 66 00:04:15,155 --> 00:04:19,459 If you would've had your choice, you would've never doped? 67 00:04:19,559 --> 00:04:21,428 -[mutters] -[Fogel] Ever? 68 00:04:22,228 --> 00:04:24,164 Up until it directly affected me, 69 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,801 I was like, "I think Lance is probably clean." [chuckles] 70 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:29,903 [Dave Zabriskie] I don't know. 71 00:04:29,969 --> 00:04:32,305 It's... messy. 72 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:40,146 [Fogel] The way they got him, this is what nobody understood. 73 00:04:40,246 --> 00:04:42,982 [Armstrong] 150 times over the last six years, I've been tested. 74 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:46,453 In competition, out of competition, at home, at a race, 75 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:49,989 Seven in the morning, seven at night, whatever, and they're all clean. 76 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:52,959 [Fogel] He never failed a drug test. 77 00:04:53,660 --> 00:04:54,761 [indistinct chatter] 78 00:04:54,828 --> 00:04:58,310 [man] Solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth? 79 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:00,667 [Fogel] It was his teammates who had turned on him 80 00:05:00,767 --> 00:05:02,769 as part of the federal investigation. 81 00:05:03,603 --> 00:05:05,380 [crowd cheering] 82 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:11,611 If this guy had passed, whatever it is, five hundred doping tests over his entire career, 83 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:15,148 clearly the system didn't work. 84 00:05:16,649 --> 00:05:20,653 How many times did you test Lance during his career? 85 00:05:21,888 --> 00:05:24,624 [Don Catlin] As the laboratory of record, 86 00:05:24,691 --> 00:05:29,662 I'm estimating that I would've tested him fifty times. five zero. 87 00:05:30,296 --> 00:05:34,670 [Fogel] So you tested Lance fifty times and never caught him? 88 00:05:34,634 --> 00:05:35,869 Correct. 89 00:05:37,637 --> 00:05:43,810 I developed and operated the UCLA Olympic Laboratory for twenty five years. 90 00:05:44,477 --> 00:05:47,647 I'm known mostly for developing tests 91 00:05:47,714 --> 00:05:51,510 so that athletes get caught if they're using drugs. 92 00:05:53,530 --> 00:05:55,422 [Fogel] How did you personally feel every year? 93 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:58,910 Did you believe that it was just Lance? 94 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:02,495 -Do you think that-- -They're all doping. 95 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:05,310 Every single one of 'em. 96 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:08,535 Unfortunately, the drugs work. [chuckles] 97 00:06:10,437 --> 00:06:16,676 With certain knowledge, you can get around the testing all the time. 98 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:19,546 It's really easy to beat. 99 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,150 Very easy. 100 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:26,119 [Fogel] Originally, the idea that I had 101 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:31,758 was to prove the system in place to test athletes was bullshit. 102 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,431 I had read about the hardest amateur cycling race on the planet, 103 00:06:38,531 --> 00:06:40,330 this seven-day race 104 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:42,268 through the French Alps, called the Haute Route. 105 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:49,309 If you were to take the hardest seven days in the Tour de France, 106 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:52,212 put 'em all together back-to-back-to-back-to-back, 107 00:06:52,278 --> 00:06:55,448 that would be what this Haute Route course was like. 108 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:00,653 The first year I did it totally clean. 109 00:07:01,821 --> 00:07:04,557 There were 440 masochists. 110 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:09,562 My goal was to be in the top 100. 111 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,477 After seven days, 75,000 feet of climbing and 1,000 miles... 112 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,482 I was destroyed. 113 00:07:30,684 --> 00:07:32,180 [coughing] 114 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:38,692 But I finished 14th. 115 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:42,929 There's about ten guys, it seems, 116 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:46,933 that are on just another level than everybody else. 117 00:07:48,435 --> 00:07:51,705 Then there's this next group, and then there's me. 118 00:07:53,673 --> 00:07:55,775 [Fogel on phone] What did you think of the idea? 119 00:07:56,376 --> 00:07:59,713 [Catlin] Well, in certain senses, I like the idea. 120 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,351 It depends on what you consider to be dangerous... 121 00:08:04,451 --> 00:08:05,485 [Fogel] Right. 122 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:08,455 [Catlin] ...testing yourself on these drugs. 123 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:13,660 But I was curious, you know, how you were going to do it. 124 00:08:13,727 --> 00:08:16,663 I might be willing to help and advise and... 125 00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:19,165 avoid positives. 126 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:23,703 [Zabriskie] Are you gonna take drugs? 127 00:08:23,803 --> 00:08:26,639 Yeah. Basically, go through... 128 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:33,380 go through an entire doping program, but overseen by the scientist. 129 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:37,817 I'm gonna have Don Catlin design a program for me 130 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:41,921 that's gonna get through every single one of the doping controls in the world... 131 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:43,523 clean. 132 00:08:56,569 --> 00:09:00,540 If I could do that and I could get away with it, 133 00:09:00,607 --> 00:09:03,877 that would mean that pretty much any athlete could do that 134 00:09:03,943 --> 00:09:05,712 and any athlete could get away with it. 135 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,284 [Catlin] You're going to need a laboratory to test your body fluids. 136 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:14,621 [Fogel] I wasn't sure how I was gonna get my samples into the lab yet. 137 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:17,223 The only labs that test professional athletes 138 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:19,359 are WADA-accredited labs. 139 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,630 [Catlin] WADA is the World Anti-Doping Agency. 140 00:09:24,431 --> 00:09:27,801 [Fogel] The labs are set up that you can't just go do this. 141 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:32,439 Because if somebody could just send their samples into a lab, 142 00:09:32,539 --> 00:09:35,208 then anybody could figure out how to game the system. 143 00:09:37,770 --> 00:09:38,780 And then... 144 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:42,549 [Catlin] This could damage my reputation that I've worked on for years... 145 00:09:42,615 --> 00:09:45,318 [Fogel] He just started getting worried about his legacy. 146 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:48,221 [Catlin] My involvement... it's just not gonna work. 147 00:09:48,488 --> 00:09:49,823 [Fogel] He backed out. 148 00:09:49,923 --> 00:09:52,759 But, you know, God bless Don Catlin, 149 00:09:52,826 --> 00:09:55,795 because he told me that he knew this guy... 150 00:09:56,396 --> 00:10:01,735 [Catlin] The director of the Olympic lab in Moscow, Grigory Rodchenkov. 151 00:10:01,801 --> 00:10:03,670 He's a great old friend. 152 00:10:04,637 --> 00:10:07,407 [Fogel] We talk a few times. He's in Moscow. 153 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:12,245 And that set off this whole chain of events. 154 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:17,684 [ringing] 155 00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:22,355 [woman speaking indistinctly] 156 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:24,357 [Grigory Rodchenkov] Tell something. 157 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:26,260 Hi. 158 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:27,360 Oh! Great. 159 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:29,829 -It's a secret window. Now it's clean. -Hmm. 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:31,664 Yeah, you look good now. 161 00:10:31,765 --> 00:10:33,800 -Yes, you, too. Go ahead. -[chuckles] 162 00:10:35,201 --> 00:10:40,206 I met with this guy who's gonna at least, like, prescribe me the protocol. 163 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:43,943 What is your ultimate purpose? You would like to beat doping test? 164 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:46,179 You would like to start your hormonal program? 165 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,617 -Yes. -Then give sample... and prove negative. 166 00:10:50,684 --> 00:10:51,685 Yes. 167 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,119 Ha, ha, ha. 168 00:10:53,186 --> 00:10:57,357 You need a very serious advisor because there are a lot of traps. 169 00:10:57,457 --> 00:11:00,260 -[toy squeaking] -Normally drug-- Okay. 170 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:01,561 [speaking Russian] 171 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,129 [in English] My dog is playing. 172 00:11:03,196 --> 00:11:06,332 I just came back, and he's very much excited. 173 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,201 And he has a special toy... 174 00:11:08,301 --> 00:11:09,803 -[toy squeaking] -Yeah, I hear it. 175 00:11:09,869 --> 00:11:11,838 Hey, you wanna see my dog? 176 00:11:12,405 --> 00:11:14,400 -Let me get him. -Yes. 177 00:11:15,975 --> 00:11:17,844 -[chuckles] -Oh! 178 00:11:17,911 --> 00:11:19,546 [Rodchenkov] Is it male, female? 179 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:20,647 Male. 180 00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:23,160 Castrated? 181 00:11:23,830 --> 00:11:24,317 No. [chuckles] 182 00:11:24,384 --> 00:11:25,885 [Rodchenkov] So with balls? 183 00:11:25,985 --> 00:11:27,220 He's got the balls. 184 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,523 Yeah. There is the balls. Yes, yes. 185 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:31,591 [all laughing] 186 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:34,527 -Yeah, this is Max. - [Rodchenkov] Max. 187 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:35,895 Max. Yeah. 188 00:11:35,995 --> 00:11:39,499 Testosterone, you have to have a prescription. 189 00:11:39,566 --> 00:11:41,668 Yes, uh, injectable. 190 00:11:41,735 --> 00:11:42,736 Injectable, right. 191 00:11:42,836 --> 00:11:44,904 So, now you are clever, huh? 192 00:11:45,505 --> 00:11:46,706 Like Lance Armstrong. 193 00:11:47,273 --> 00:11:48,675 Send it to me. 194 00:11:48,742 --> 00:11:51,277 Names, doses, for how long... 195 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,279 So everything should be orchestrated. 196 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,783 [Fogel] How do I do that? Just send you everything I'm gonna take? 197 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,786 [Rodchenkov] Yes, your one-month schedule. Yes. 198 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:04,424 We've got three medications that you'll take by injection. 199 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:08,261 -This is five times a week? -Yeah, it's all on your regimen sheet. 200 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:11,310 We'll draw up half a cc. 201 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:13,199 -Looks like a big needle. -It's a tiny needle. 202 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,267 -Really? -Yeah. 203 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:19,205 Your testosterone comes ready to go. This is very, very viscous. 204 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,877 It's a very thick substance, so you need a big needle to draw it up. 205 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:26,946 Then we're gonna pull out. 206 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,716 So there's your .2 cc's. 207 00:12:29,783 --> 00:12:32,719 And that one goes also in the top of your thigh. 208 00:12:32,786 --> 00:12:34,154 [inhales sharply] 209 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:36,956 -I'm a little nervous, but all right. -Okay. 210 00:12:37,570 --> 00:12:38,591 [Scott Brandt] Give me a thigh. 211 00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:40,493 And does it hurt the muscle? Do you flex? 212 00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:43,296 [Brandt] It's not gonna go in your muscle. It's gonna go above. 213 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:47,000 You just pinch it, and we're just gonna go just through the skin. 214 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,168 That's it. 215 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:50,837 And then we're just gonna put that underneath the skin. 216 00:12:50,937 --> 00:12:52,906 -Did that hurt? -[Fogel] No, not too bad. 217 00:12:52,972 --> 00:12:56,760 -I mean, I see it there. -It'll go away in no time. 218 00:12:56,142 --> 00:12:57,977 -[Brandt] That's the HCG. -Oh, shit. 219 00:12:58,780 --> 00:13:00,680 [Brandt] And right next to it, the testosterone. 220 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,416 Pop it through the skin. That's all we're looking to do. 221 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:05,685 Just through the skin. It's real thick now. 222 00:13:06,853 --> 00:13:09,589 -And you are pumped up. -Whoa! 223 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:11,257 How long till those bumps go down? 224 00:13:11,324 --> 00:13:13,626 -They'll go quick. Within a half hour. -Okay. Whoa. 225 00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:15,161 And so we begin. 226 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:22,502 [Brandt] The ability to go day after day will be brand new for you, I think. 227 00:13:23,603 --> 00:13:25,538 Going to do an injection. 228 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:27,640 [Fogel] Exciting. 229 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:32,450 [Brandt] I work with one trainer that does a lot of fitness 230 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:33,980 as well as nutrition coaching. 231 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:35,682 [Ben Stone] Almost there. Come on, Bryan. 232 00:13:35,782 --> 00:13:38,985 [Brandt] We should be able to see a 15 to 20% improvement. 233 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:42,889 [Fogel] What's your dog's name again? 234 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:44,691 [Rodchenkov] Vrangei. 235 00:13:44,791 --> 00:13:47,560 Okay. Did you start your program? 236 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:48,995 [Fogel] I did. 237 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,631 This is my morning pill-popping routine. 238 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:56,870 And then I prepare the testosterone. 239 00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:00,306 [Rodchenkov] Yes, testosterone propionate. 240 00:14:00,373 --> 00:14:01,408 [Fogel] Yes. 241 00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:04,377 It's really thick. 242 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:08,748 What made you think that Grigory might help me? 243 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:13,860 Well, it's difficult for me to answer that without... 244 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:18,358 saying things about Grigory that aren't very kind. 245 00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:22,228 Okay, let me think. 246 00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:27,200 -So, you've already did it for two weeks? -[dog pants] 247 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:29,350 -He's ****ing me. -[Fogel laughing] 248 00:14:29,102 --> 00:14:31,771 He's ****ing me. [speaking Russian] 249 00:14:33,239 --> 00:14:36,760 [in English] Just pee and collect your urine today. 250 00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:37,844 And drop into the freezer. 251 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:41,948 So just pee, take some urine and put it in the freezer? 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:42,882 In the freezer. 253 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:46,920 There's day eight, day ten... 254 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:48,688 Needle. 255 00:14:53,293 --> 00:14:55,428 The testosterone with the HGH, 256 00:14:55,528 --> 00:14:58,965 it's a weird feeling because it doesn't feel like I'm on anything. 257 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:02,369 Are you now training? And you feel a little bit stronger? 258 00:15:02,435 --> 00:15:04,771 Yeah, I really felt stronger. 259 00:15:04,871 --> 00:15:06,139 That's good. 260 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:10,243 Forty milligrams each other day is a very good protocol. 261 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:15,480 [Fogel] I still had no idea why a WADA lab director 262 00:15:15,115 --> 00:15:17,250 who did all the testing for the Sochi Olympics 263 00:15:17,817 --> 00:15:19,652 would agree to do this, 264 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:24,758 because his job was supposed to be to catch athletes. 265 00:15:25,725 --> 00:15:28,628 So you want me to do 24,000 units in one month? 266 00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:29,596 Yes. 267 00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:31,998 [Fogel] ****, man. That's a lot of EPO. 268 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:35,769 [Rodchenkov] You have just common fears, and it's paranoia. 269 00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:40,273 We are imitating... We are reproducing Lance Armstrong's scenario. 270 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,611 I'm getting kind of bruises all over my legs. 271 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:47,647 Don't disturb your thigh at all. Stop it. 272 00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:51,985 You can inject into your thigh muscle, but better to the ***. 273 00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:58,124 Um... [grunts] 274 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:02,462 Okay. 275 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:05,632 So, that's that. 276 00:16:08,201 --> 00:16:11,710 He was like, [in Russian accent] "You don't do subcutaneous. 277 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:13,206 You put it right into your ***. 278 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,209 -[laughing] -No, we go one inch into buttocks. 279 00:16:16,276 --> 00:16:18,244 Show me that bottle again." 280 00:16:18,878 --> 00:16:20,113 [Stone] You're kidding me. 281 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:23,883 [Rodchenkov] Have you seen movie with me? 282 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:25,652 -No. -Separate movie. 283 00:16:25,752 --> 00:16:27,554 -Which movie? -No? 284 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:29,155 About me. 285 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:33,993 [man] All athletes in Russia are doping. 286 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:39,999 The athletes that are under Mr. Rodchenkov, 287 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:41,735 they don't get positive tests. 288 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:49,642 [narrator in German] The laboratory was internationally recognized for research. 289 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,978 Its head scientist is considered an outstanding scientist. 290 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:53,613 Grigory Rodchenkov. 291 00:16:54,914 --> 00:16:57,784 [woman in Russian] Dr. Rodchenkov is informed about everything. 292 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:01,955 He knows how long the drugs need to disappear from the body. 293 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:05,325 He is aware and instructs. He's the most important specialist. 294 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:10,530 [Fogel] The ARD documentary regarding the Russian whistle-blowers... 295 00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:14,534 what did you think, hearing these allegations? 296 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:18,304 It was inflammatory enough that they were afraid to run it 297 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:21,374 while the whistle-blowers were still in Russia. 298 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,178 So they got them out of Russia, ran the program, 299 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:27,380 and it was a bombshell. 300 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,518 [man] 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping. 301 00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:35,455 That's according to a recent German documentary aired on ARD. 302 00:17:35,522 --> 00:17:39,225 [woman] WADA's president, Craig Reedie, promised an investigation, 303 00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:40,794 effective immediately. 304 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,563 [Craig Reedie] It is wrong just to make any kind of assumption 305 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,465 on allegations in the media. 306 00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:49,569 Athletes must be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. 307 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:53,840 These are wild allegations, and we'll have to check them out. 308 00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:56,343 [Richard McLaren] Reedie had to do something. 309 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:59,846 That's how the Independent Commission was created. 310 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:05,185 I had investigative experience for a decade and a half, 311 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:07,687 and some big investigations, 312 00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:11,570 like US Olympic Committees and Major League Baseball. 313 00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:15,161 [man] And Bonds hits one high! It's a ding! 314 00:18:16,696 --> 00:18:21,234 Our mandate was athletics, track and field and Russia. 315 00:18:22,369 --> 00:18:24,871 The WADA chairman named this Independent Commission 316 00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:27,674 and said, "Let's get at it." 317 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:31,678 [man] The Anti-Doping Agency wants a report by the end of the year, 318 00:18:31,745 --> 00:18:34,180 and athletics officials say they'll cooperate. 319 00:18:34,247 --> 00:18:36,683 It's unclear, though, what actions might be taken. 320 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:38,510 Thomas Daigle, CBC News. 321 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:40,286 [Fogel] Is it gonna be okay? Is it gonna pass over? 322 00:18:40,387 --> 00:18:41,521 Is this gonna cause you-- 323 00:18:41,588 --> 00:18:43,356 No, no, no. It's growing. 324 00:18:43,423 --> 00:18:44,424 It's growing? 325 00:18:44,524 --> 00:18:46,590 It's like a tornado coming. 326 00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:51,970 Okay, so you are receiving how many units? 327 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,469 [Fogel] Grigory, the Moscow scientist I was showing you, 328 00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:57,937 who did all the testing for Sochi, 329 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:02,208 who's now at the center of this big Russian doping scandal. 330 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:04,611 Russia was doping their athletes in the '80s. 331 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:07,914 -Apparently, they've never stopped. -Really? 332 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:10,283 [Fogel] The crazy thing is, Richard Pound, 333 00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:13,787 the guy who was the head of WADA for 15 years, 334 00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:18,925 has actually been hired to lead the investigation against Grigory. 335 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:22,729 Um... I don't know what you want me to do with that. 336 00:19:23,296 --> 00:19:24,597 Meaning? 337 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:27,934 I don't know how... Shit. My computer's about to die. 338 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:29,936 I don't know how... 339 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:34,607 -Let me grab my power cord. I'll be back. -Do you have a charger? All right. 340 00:19:36,276 --> 00:19:41,181 There might be someone else out there that might be a better decision or choice. 341 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:44,818 You're using this guy as your coach. What's your comfort level? 342 00:19:44,918 --> 00:19:48,254 -Here's how I'm looking at it... -You can find someone else. 343 00:19:48,922 --> 00:19:53,360 I guess you call it "doping doctors." I don't know what you would label Grigory. 344 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:55,595 Is he a biochemist? I don't even know. 345 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,320 It doesn't even matter. I don't like this shit. 346 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:02,869 [Fogel] Look, there's no finding someone else. 347 00:20:14,147 --> 00:20:15,682 [Brandt] Your numbers look great. 348 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:18,718 Your testosterone is pretty much right where we want you. 349 00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:23,456 Grigory, what's the typical wash-out for urine to go to negative 350 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:25,658 from a full treatment of testosterone? 351 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:27,894 How many days does that take usually? Seven? 352 00:20:27,994 --> 00:20:30,997 [Rodchenkov] For Bryan, two weeks will be nice. 353 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,833 Is there any way that we could test that here in the States, 354 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:37,300 or it's gotta go back to you to test those frozen urines? 355 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,674 It's the only way. But again, I am under heavy control. 356 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:44,744 WADA now, they have an inquiry about me. 357 00:20:44,844 --> 00:20:45,745 [Brandt] Yes. 358 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:49,215 So you see, like, me... I'm a very dangerous person. 359 00:20:50,483 --> 00:20:54,254 How do you think is the best way to basically get that test done? 360 00:20:54,988 --> 00:20:56,389 Maybe, hopefully... 361 00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:59,592 I would like to do this, to come to, maybe, LA, 362 00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:03,196 and to smuggle something to Russia. Some urines from you. 363 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:05,832 Um... [stammers] 364 00:21:05,899 --> 00:21:09,202 Could we send 'em to Salt Lake City or another lab? 365 00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:11,438 No, no, no. It's strictly prohibited. 366 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:18,111 [indistinct chatter] 367 00:21:21,715 --> 00:21:24,718 You are so skinny! [speaking Russian] 368 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:26,720 You're skinny. 369 00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:27,687 No! 370 00:21:29,356 --> 00:21:32,580 [Fogel] All the urine in my freezer, we have to unfreeze it? 371 00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:34,561 [Rodchenkov] Yes, we unfreeze, then we homogenize 372 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:36,629 to make sure everything is melted. 373 00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:41,234 I took special bottles for smuggling urine, and... 374 00:21:41,935 --> 00:21:45,710 we will make a scenario like I am collecting my urine. 375 00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:47,240 "Grigory one, morning." 376 00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:49,743 "Evening, 28th. Grigory two." 377 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:51,945 Then we recode them. 378 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:54,147 Perfect. 379 00:21:54,247 --> 00:21:56,316 Otherwise, what is the source of the urine and why? 380 00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:57,417 Right. 381 00:21:57,484 --> 00:21:59,419 The goal during this two- to three-week period 382 00:21:59,486 --> 00:22:03,123 is to push you to an extreme on a chronic level, not just acute. 383 00:22:04,157 --> 00:22:05,492 -Okay, we-- -[Fogel] Max! 384 00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:07,600 He loves me. 385 00:22:07,127 --> 00:22:08,261 [Fogel] Yeah. Max-- 386 00:22:08,328 --> 00:22:10,130 No, no, don't kick Max. It's okay. 387 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:13,166 -Max, go away. Out. -No, no, no. 388 00:22:14,670 --> 00:22:15,802 It's not good time. 389 00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,771 -[laughing] -Later. 390 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:25,812 [Stone] A fifteen-second acceleration whenever you want. Good. 391 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:29,282 We need girls, cheerleaders. 392 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:33,653 [Stone] Right? Exactly. Maybe we should get you some pom-poms. 393 00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:35,755 -And like this... -Right. 394 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:41,494 [Rodchenkov] I was working here in 1989, when Catlin was in big power. 395 00:22:41,594 --> 00:22:44,931 Laboratory was located in UCLA. The campus. 396 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,502 [Catlin] Twenty years ago, we had decided to develop a way to get 397 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:53,306 actually friendly with what was then the Soviets. 398 00:22:53,373 --> 00:22:57,777 We, the US, would invite Soviets to come to the US 399 00:22:57,844 --> 00:23:01,147 and pick and choose athletes that they wanted to test, 400 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:05,185 bring 'em in and test them where the Soviets were watching. 401 00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:08,988 Grigory was the first representative. 402 00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:14,327 He shows up at the second day of work in bright orange shorts 403 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:19,699 and announces that he's gonna enter the Santa Monica Marathon. 404 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:21,801 And he won the darn thing. 405 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,237 He's a good athlete. 406 00:23:25,538 --> 00:23:28,308 [Rodchenkov] I was almost a professional in running. 407 00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:32,412 1,500 meters and five kilometers at Moscow University. 408 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:36,850 My mother always pushed me to swim, to ski. 409 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:40,887 I realized that some people are using something. 410 00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:44,891 Last year, he was nobody. Next year, he has muscles. 411 00:23:45,558 --> 00:23:48,762 Of course, I also started to use the best of the best, 412 00:23:49,362 --> 00:23:50,363 stanozolol. 413 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,234 And all injections were done by my mother. 414 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:58,171 And, of course, it was 50 milligrams, this simple thing. 415 00:23:58,238 --> 00:24:01,107 [Fogel] Wait, wait. Your mother injected you? 416 00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:02,776 Yes, of course. 417 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:08,615 But if you are not national team level, like Olympic, 418 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:11,518 you cannot afford any more training camp. 419 00:24:12,552 --> 00:24:16,222 So, I graduated to Moscow University, to the chemical department. 420 00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:19,959 I liked doping control. I liked sports. 421 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,265 And since 1985, I worked in the top field of laboratories in the world. 422 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:30,303 And then, Moscow laboratory was doing mistake by mistake. 423 00:24:30,403 --> 00:24:33,707 "We need a new director, and it will be upheld by WADA." 424 00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:36,710 That's how I became director. 425 00:24:43,283 --> 00:24:46,119 [Fogel] Should I be taking the HGH and the testosterone now? 426 00:24:46,219 --> 00:24:47,620 [Rodchenkov] Let's look at your protocol. 427 00:24:48,455 --> 00:24:51,825 I have to sketch all schematics, starting from the new year. 428 00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:53,727 -We'll sit down with a piece of paper. -Yes. 429 00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:56,396 With the piss and then with the tubes. 430 00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,765 We take just a fraction. 431 00:24:59,265 --> 00:25:02,168 And then it will be coded and took for analysis. 432 00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:05,905 So, here's day one. Okay? Here's day two. 433 00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:09,342 Here's day three, day four, day five. 434 00:25:09,442 --> 00:25:11,344 [Rodchenkov] Seven, eight, nine. 435 00:25:12,512 --> 00:25:14,681 We have nine urines. Okay. 436 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,650 -So we are starting-- -[Fogel] And that one, I just took. 437 00:25:17,751 --> 00:25:19,853 Is that enough? Or do I need any more? 438 00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:20,954 It's okay. 439 00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:22,220 [Fogel] Okay. 440 00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:25,525 -Three, three, three. -I hear you got the real code. 441 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:26,760 I am mafia. 442 00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:29,129 This is mafia. 443 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:30,864 [laughing] 444 00:25:33,466 --> 00:25:34,601 Chased by WADA. 445 00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:40,440 Could you imagine, the best laboratory will be puzzled with your piss? 446 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,677 In Russia, the empire of evil. 447 00:25:44,344 --> 00:25:45,345 Propaganda. 448 00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:47,781 [mutters] 449 00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:50,283 -Fantastic. -Oh, God. What is that? 450 00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:51,885 It's flakes. Your flakes. 451 00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:54,354 What is that? What is that? 452 00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:56,489 Your sins. [clicks tongue] 453 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:07,634 And on the top. 454 00:26:24,184 --> 00:26:27,821 [Fogel] When I come to Moscow in September, after the race, I can drink. 455 00:26:27,887 --> 00:26:31,825 Okay, next time. Next time, if I survive. 456 00:26:35,662 --> 00:26:42,235 At my lab, WADA is keeping laboratory on a very short leash. Leash? 457 00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:44,170 Asking many questions. 458 00:26:44,871 --> 00:26:46,439 All sort of bullshit. 459 00:26:47,507 --> 00:26:49,242 Like, "Where is your... 460 00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:53,880 underground laboratory for pre-testing? 461 00:26:53,947 --> 00:26:57,500 Where is the shadow laboratory?" 462 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,755 Of course, my laboratory is fully under... 463 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:06,260 cameras and everything, computers, barcodes... 464 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:08,561 But they were looking for something. 465 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,698 -Like a secret lab? -Yes, yes, yes, yes, underground. 466 00:27:11,765 --> 00:27:13,867 -Batman? -Yes, yes. 467 00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:16,569 Who owns the lab? 468 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:19,406 -The state. -The state does? 469 00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:20,473 Yes. 470 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:23,109 Okay, we have Terminal One, departing flight. 471 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:26,980 -[Fogel] Yeah. -♪ I am a woman in love ♪ 472 00:27:28,882 --> 00:27:29,883 [grunts] 473 00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:33,953 Keep it. It's my donation. 474 00:27:34,721 --> 00:27:36,156 -No, no, no! -No, no, no. 475 00:27:36,256 --> 00:27:37,390 I have a lot, you see. 476 00:27:37,457 --> 00:27:41,394 All people are presenting me with pens, so I have full collection. 477 00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:43,730 -Remember me. -I will. 478 00:27:43,797 --> 00:27:46,966 -So I'm gonna see you-- -So, so, so nice with you. 479 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:48,635 -Grigory, thanks for coming. -Yes. 480 00:27:48,735 --> 00:27:50,970 Be very careful with what you are recording. 481 00:27:56,776 --> 00:27:59,112 -Now we are... -[laughing] 482 00:27:59,179 --> 00:28:01,247 And I see you, uh, in September. 483 00:28:01,915 --> 00:28:03,149 [Rodchenkov] Yes, definitely. 484 00:28:08,455 --> 00:28:09,823 [Fogel] Did you go to Moscow? 485 00:28:12,826 --> 00:28:18,365 We wanted to send an investigative group of WADA specialists into the Moscow lab. 486 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:22,635 The director of the lab, he was the last fail-safe position, right? 487 00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:24,938 If there is a sample that's potentially positive, 488 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:26,973 where can you stop it from being reported? 489 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,800 In the lab. 490 00:28:28,508 --> 00:28:32,145 So he was interviewed. Didn't provide us with much information. 491 00:28:33,646 --> 00:28:37,384 [Fogel] Please tell me all my frozen piss didn't explode in your bag. 492 00:28:37,484 --> 00:28:38,618 [Rodchenkov laughs] 493 00:28:39,486 --> 00:28:41,154 But this is big secret. 494 00:28:41,821 --> 00:28:43,990 Bryan, I have all urines. 495 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:46,493 We analyzed urines for your steroid profile. 496 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,628 Everything is kept frozen. 497 00:28:48,695 --> 00:28:52,198 -I have a full agenda, so don't worry. -Okay. 498 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,339 [Rodchenkov] We did preliminary tests, but not much. 499 00:28:59,906 --> 00:29:01,808 When WADA will leave... 500 00:29:01,875 --> 00:29:03,977 They are leaving tomorrow night. 501 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880 Then maybe Friday, or maybe Monday, anyway-- 502 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:09,820 [Fogel] WADA's there bothering you? 503 00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:10,817 [Rodchenkov] It's much more challenging. 504 00:29:10,884 --> 00:29:13,887 WADA is sniffing and asking tons of questions. 505 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:20,527 He's starting to understand it's very difficult to prove something. 506 00:29:20,593 --> 00:29:23,530 What do you see the outcome or the solution as? 507 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:25,331 We will see. 508 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,867 You just focus on racing. 509 00:29:34,507 --> 00:29:36,876 Keep digging, keep digging. Keep digging, come on. 510 00:29:36,943 --> 00:29:39,779 Come on, you got it. Come on. Four, two, one. 511 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,214 Taking it down. Taking it down. 512 00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:44,517 This is already better than last time. 513 00:29:46,753 --> 00:29:51,925 Last year, 250 watts. This year, 349. It's 100 watts. 514 00:29:52,726 --> 00:29:57,263 [Fogel] My power right now is 20% more than I had last year. 515 00:29:57,364 --> 00:30:01,401 Yes, yes, finally you have some gains. Some gain, some progression. 516 00:30:01,468 --> 00:30:03,236 I can't wait to come to Moscow. 517 00:30:03,303 --> 00:30:05,271 Bryan, it will be fantastic. 518 00:30:06,539 --> 00:30:09,776 [Fogel] I shouldn't bring any EPO with me to Europe, right? 519 00:30:09,876 --> 00:30:11,144 -[Rodchenkov] No. -[Fogel] Okay. 520 00:30:11,244 --> 00:30:13,980 [Rodchenkov] You complete everything until 17th. 521 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,783 -The last injection is on US soil. -Okay. 522 00:30:16,883 --> 00:30:19,119 [Rodchenkov] Before passing the border and the customs. 523 00:30:19,219 --> 00:30:21,454 Then you're taking urine with you to me, 524 00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:23,790 and we'll complete your biological passport. 525 00:30:24,424 --> 00:30:25,625 That's it. 526 00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:30,964 [woman] Words cannot describe what you'll be living through this week. 527 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,167 Your body's gonna shut down. It's gonna break down entirely. 528 00:30:36,236 --> 00:30:38,738 [man] We are on the French Cycling Federation calendar, 529 00:30:38,805 --> 00:30:41,141 and we do have an anti-doping policy. 530 00:30:41,241 --> 00:30:45,780 [Fogel] As far as testing for PEDs, the race says that they do. 531 00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:47,414 They may come and test, just so you're aware. 532 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,350 [Fogel] As I came to learn, they don't. 533 00:30:51,117 --> 00:30:53,753 -[Rodchenkov] Don't worry. -[Fogel] But I had Grigory. 534 00:30:54,688 --> 00:30:56,322 He had helped me dope, 535 00:30:56,423 --> 00:31:01,594 and he was gonna test my samples through his WADA lab in Moscow. 536 00:31:01,661 --> 00:31:03,363 [Rodchenkov] So, be clever. 537 00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:07,200 I have not done a urine sample since I've been here. 538 00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:09,369 You are like a pioneer. 539 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:12,806 [Fogel] So I'm gonna pee in this little bag here. 540 00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:15,410 [Rodchenkov] You are a victim of your ideas. 541 00:31:16,509 --> 00:31:19,346 August 21st. 542 00:31:19,446 --> 00:31:22,649 See you at the end. And good luck tomorrow. 543 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:25,618 [announcer] Start time tomorrow morning, 7:15. 544 00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:27,887 -[Fogel] Right here. -[Rodchenkov] I am like a priest. 545 00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:31,491 I am healing your doping paranoia. 546 00:31:34,494 --> 00:31:37,530 You are free. You have enough power, and God is with you. 547 00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:41,340 You are sentenced to win. 548 00:31:42,802 --> 00:31:45,972 [Fogel] So the scheme was now in place. 549 00:31:48,975 --> 00:31:50,543 [announcer] Raise your arms! 550 00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:53,480 Are you ready? 551 00:31:54,581 --> 00:31:55,849 Start! 552 00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:17,837 Ninety, ninety. That's it. 553 00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:30,500 -[announcer] Pouly! -[crowd cheering] 554 00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:33,887 [indistinct shouting] 555 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:39,192 [Stone] You did great. 556 00:32:39,259 --> 00:32:40,894 You were three and a half minutes behind Pouly. 557 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,290 -[Fogel] That's not bad. -No, that's ****ing great. 558 00:32:43,596 --> 00:32:45,598 You guys were hauling ***. 559 00:32:56,409 --> 00:33:00,213 Bryan's in that group data. He's in there with the top ten guys. 560 00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:04,217 [Fogel] All the guys in the top ten are incredible. 561 00:33:04,284 --> 00:33:05,552 [Rodchenkov] Very good. 562 00:33:05,618 --> 00:33:06,953 [Fogel] They could be pro. 563 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:10,890 [Rodchenkov] You are a monster. [laughs] 564 00:33:11,391 --> 00:33:13,159 Medium-sized monster. 565 00:33:19,332 --> 00:33:21,101 [Stone] Bryan Fogel, can you hear me? 566 00:33:24,471 --> 00:33:28,274 Can't raise him on the walkie-talkie. Bryan, come back. 567 00:33:31,745 --> 00:33:33,847 -[Stone] Bryan! -Yeah? 568 00:33:34,147 --> 00:33:35,448 [Stone speaking indistinctly] 569 00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:37,417 [Stone] It has to be charged. 570 00:33:38,618 --> 00:33:40,854 The battery's dead. It needed to be charged. 571 00:33:41,488 --> 00:33:44,791 Now it won't go up. You see? Dead. It's totally dead. 572 00:33:46,626 --> 00:33:47,761 [Fogel] ****! 573 00:33:49,496 --> 00:33:52,665 [Fogel] My derailleur, my shifting, it broke. 574 00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:54,300 -[Rodchenkov] Your bike? -Yes. 575 00:33:56,603 --> 00:33:59,272 [Rodchenkov] You cannot shift your gears? 576 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,608 [Fogel] For 100 kilometers. 577 00:34:03,443 --> 00:34:04,644 [Rodchenkov] My goodness. 578 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:10,650 -I dropped ten places in the rankings. -Okay. Hmm. 579 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:13,386 My God. 580 00:34:15,188 --> 00:34:18,658 [Fogel] I feel that I'm really stronger this year. 581 00:34:18,725 --> 00:34:21,161 -Like, that I'm recovering. -[Brandt] Yeah. 582 00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:23,963 [Fogel] I mean, I'm hauling ***, but they're... 583 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,499 I'm not beating 'em. They're in a different-- 584 00:34:26,566 --> 00:34:30,737 There's guys that I don't know that you could've beat on your best day. 585 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,311 [Fogel] My whole plan was 586 00:34:38,378 --> 00:34:42,150 to have a substantially better performance this year. 587 00:34:43,316 --> 00:34:44,484 And... 588 00:34:45,852 --> 00:34:46,886 I'm not. 589 00:34:48,221 --> 00:34:50,256 [Stone] Did you just get separated or what? 590 00:34:50,357 --> 00:34:51,658 Neutral descent now? 591 00:34:52,926 --> 00:34:56,262 [man] Does it hurt that you did better last year than you did this year? 592 00:34:58,498 --> 00:35:01,901 I mean, I could have been 21 years old 593 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,838 and taken all the blood bags and EPO in the world, 594 00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:08,575 and I was still not going to be a Tour de France champion. 595 00:35:08,675 --> 00:35:10,577 It doesn't matter. 596 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:17,183 [Rodchenkov] Just stay optimistic. 597 00:35:18,418 --> 00:35:21,221 Because now, we can change nothing. 598 00:35:27,727 --> 00:35:30,930 [announcer] The winner, Peter Pouly. 599 00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:32,320 [crowd applauds] 600 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,537 -[Fogel] I felt pretty good. I just had-- -[Rodchenkov] No, no, no. 601 00:35:37,604 --> 00:35:39,272 [Fogel] I've just had some bad luck days. 602 00:35:39,372 --> 00:35:40,640 [Rodchenkov] Bryan, look at me. 603 00:35:42,142 --> 00:35:43,309 Stop it. 604 00:35:44,644 --> 00:35:46,746 You are what you are. I am what I am. 605 00:35:49,549 --> 00:35:51,785 It's a turning point, what we are doing. 606 00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:57,123 You should be happy that we have such fantastic material. 607 00:36:04,164 --> 00:36:06,990 -[Fogel] Really? -We will continue. Don't worry. 608 00:36:06,166 --> 00:36:10,136 You are just like in the reception. You did not enter the first floor. 609 00:36:10,236 --> 00:36:12,339 Then there is a second and so on. 610 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,308 [Fogel] What's on the second floor? 611 00:36:15,809 --> 00:36:18,110 [Rodchenkov] When you go to Moscow, you will see. 612 00:36:32,959 --> 00:36:34,494 [Fogel] So cool. 613 00:36:35,161 --> 00:36:38,164 How many tests... I've probably had 15 or 20 blood tests. 614 00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:40,333 -[Rodchenkov] It's more than enough. -Okay. 615 00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:43,436 -[Fogel] Is this the laboratory? -Yes. 616 00:36:44,504 --> 00:36:46,940 Oh, you see, this is bloody RUSADA. 617 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:51,378 Bringing samples, it's not too good to show our camera to them. 618 00:36:51,478 --> 00:36:54,147 -[Fogel] Oh. You want us to hide? -Yes, yes, yes. 619 00:36:54,214 --> 00:36:55,482 [Fogel] Okay. 620 00:36:55,548 --> 00:36:57,784 Be very careful with all your material. 621 00:36:57,851 --> 00:37:00,487 -People are very sensitive also, you know. -[Fogel] Yes. 622 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,190 This is my director place. 623 00:37:04,824 --> 00:37:07,394 It's the most famous laboratory in the world. 624 00:37:10,163 --> 00:37:14,367 We cannot say explicitly that you have been analyzed. 625 00:37:14,467 --> 00:37:17,737 It's coming. I already solved everything yesterday. 626 00:37:17,837 --> 00:37:22,750 You will have it until, let's say... Within two weeks, we will do this. 627 00:37:22,175 --> 00:37:25,478 But it should be done still, say, under the table, not... 628 00:37:25,979 --> 00:37:27,747 -[Fogel] Okay. -Okay. [clears throat] 629 00:37:28,715 --> 00:37:33,186 [Rodchenkov] Smile. Your race is over. We have to go downstairs. 630 00:37:37,757 --> 00:37:39,726 [Fogel] Are there scientists, 631 00:37:39,826 --> 00:37:42,896 or those working in WADA laboratories today, 632 00:37:42,996 --> 00:37:46,232 that you suspect could have been corrupted? 633 00:37:46,332 --> 00:37:48,268 [Rodchenkov] Each director of laboratory, like me... 634 00:37:48,368 --> 00:37:50,403 I have to sign a code of ethics, 635 00:37:50,503 --> 00:37:53,340 that what we are doing is not harmful or detrimental 636 00:37:53,406 --> 00:37:55,742 to the whole anti-doping society. 637 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,916 We go down this emergency exit. 638 00:38:10,123 --> 00:38:12,580 [Fogel] What did Russia have to do 639 00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:16,930 with the hiding blood passports of all the athletes? 640 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:18,932 [Rodchenkov] Let's talk in my office. 641 00:38:21,935 --> 00:38:25,872 If you hide fight against doping, you cannot be 50% honest. 642 00:38:25,939 --> 00:38:29,909 You have to be honest, or you have to hide the ends. 643 00:38:29,976 --> 00:38:32,712 It's the same as Orwell, 1984. 644 00:38:33,279 --> 00:38:35,982 WADA is like a religion, and you cannot escape. 645 00:38:36,583 --> 00:38:39,886 You have to think about money, but you cannot steal money. 646 00:38:39,953 --> 00:38:42,122 You have to think about women, 647 00:38:42,222 --> 00:38:45,910 but you have to be married and don't go to prostitution. 648 00:38:45,158 --> 00:38:46,159 But again... 649 00:38:46,893 --> 00:38:51,970 almost everybody has some period when they were sinners. 650 00:38:51,164 --> 00:38:52,265 So what to do? 651 00:38:52,932 --> 00:38:54,300 There is no answer. 652 00:38:56,236 --> 00:39:00,807 [Fogel] For the last five months, I took urine and then I did blood-- 653 00:39:00,907 --> 00:39:02,676 [Rodchenkov] Yes, we have a good database. 654 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,615 How do we go about the analysis? What do we wanna show? 655 00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:12,850 How do we put together 656 00:39:12,152 --> 00:39:15,880 -the bigger story arc? -Bryan, be optimistic. 657 00:39:15,155 --> 00:39:16,990 -[chuckles] -Smile. 658 00:39:18,825 --> 00:39:20,193 I have vodka for you. 659 00:39:20,293 --> 00:39:22,362 -You do? -Yes. 660 00:39:22,962 --> 00:39:25,265 -The best vodka. -What kind? 661 00:39:25,331 --> 00:39:26,666 From Mordovia. 662 00:39:26,766 --> 00:39:28,201 -Oh, awesome! -You do drink vodka? 663 00:39:28,301 --> 00:39:31,171 -Yeah, I like vodka. -You like-- I have vodka for you. 664 00:39:31,271 --> 00:39:35,108 I've decided I'm not gonna leave Russia. I'm gonna stay here. 665 00:39:35,175 --> 00:39:36,543 You would like to stay? 666 00:39:36,643 --> 00:39:40,613 Russia is the most relaxing country in the world. 667 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,815 You think? 668 00:39:41,881 --> 00:39:44,384 -No. -[both laughing] 669 00:39:52,492 --> 00:39:53,660 [Fogel] You having fun? 670 00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:55,562 Yes, we have fun! 671 00:39:56,563 --> 00:39:57,564 Smile. 672 00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,100 [speaking Russian] 673 00:40:04,571 --> 00:40:05,572 Bryan! 674 00:40:05,672 --> 00:40:07,340 [singing in Russian] 675 00:40:17,484 --> 00:40:19,520 [indistinct chatter] 676 00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,273 [man] Ladies and gentlemen, members of the media, welcome to Geneva. 677 00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:44,177 Almost a year ago, very serious doping allegations 678 00:40:44,244 --> 00:40:47,380 were first raised on German television channel ARD. 679 00:40:48,114 --> 00:40:50,283 The WADA president, Sir Craig Reedie, 680 00:40:50,383 --> 00:40:53,853 announced that a full and thorough inquiry would be conducted. 681 00:40:54,587 --> 00:40:57,791 The founding president of the World Anti-Doping Agency, 682 00:41:02,262 --> 00:41:07,801 Overwhelming portions of the allegations made on the ARD program 683 00:41:07,901 --> 00:41:12,380 have been found by the Independent Commission to be true. 684 00:41:12,105 --> 00:41:15,410 It's worse than we thought. We have found cover-ups. 685 00:41:15,108 --> 00:41:18,311 We found destruction of samples in the laboratories. 686 00:41:19,245 --> 00:41:24,840 We found payments of money in order to conceal doping tests... 687 00:41:25,151 --> 00:41:26,152 among others. 688 00:41:26,886 --> 00:41:30,623 Our conclusion was that all of this could not have happened, 689 00:41:30,724 --> 00:41:33,293 and continue to happen, without the knowledge of 690 00:41:33,393 --> 00:41:38,640 and either actual or implied consent of the state authorities. 691 00:41:38,131 --> 00:41:39,399 [Fogel] You reading this? 692 00:41:39,899 --> 00:41:43,103 Forty pages of this report is Grigory. 693 00:41:43,903 --> 00:41:46,306 It's hard to imagine 694 00:41:46,406 --> 00:41:50,844 what the Russian state interest in athletes' urine would be. 695 00:41:50,944 --> 00:41:56,116 One of our big concerns about tests were the 1,400 that were destroyed 696 00:41:56,182 --> 00:41:58,818 by the director of the Moscow laboratory. 697 00:41:59,486 --> 00:42:03,230 In fact, our recommendation is the director of the laboratory 698 00:42:03,123 --> 00:42:07,427 be removed from his position, that the WADA accreditation be withdrawn, 699 00:42:07,494 --> 00:42:09,829 and the Russian Federation be suspended. 700 00:42:11,431 --> 00:42:12,766 [line ringing] 701 00:42:14,167 --> 00:42:16,200 -[Veronika] Bryan, hi. -[Fogel] Hi. 702 00:42:17,971 --> 00:42:19,172 Where did Grigory go? 703 00:42:19,272 --> 00:42:20,440 I've been crying. 704 00:42:21,141 --> 00:42:22,609 Yes, I am with him, 705 00:42:22,676 --> 00:42:25,178 and I think maybe you want to speak with him. 706 00:42:25,278 --> 00:42:27,470 Maybe he's a little bit nervous. 707 00:42:28,815 --> 00:42:30,550 -I'm so sorry. -[Rodchenkov] Bryan. 708 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:34,954 I'm not-- I'm sorry. I'm trying to understand what you're saying. 709 00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:39,325 [Rodchenkov] I'm absolutely saying that we will overturn all this bullshit, 710 00:42:39,392 --> 00:42:41,327 and it will be upside down. 711 00:42:41,394 --> 00:42:44,164 So, Bryan, I hardly could talk to you tonight. 712 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:45,365 [line disconnects] 713 00:42:46,299 --> 00:42:47,567 [woman] The details are damning 714 00:42:47,667 --> 00:42:50,804 and could have a profound impact on the future of Russian athletics. 715 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:53,807 [man] This WADA commission has accused Russian athletics 716 00:42:53,873 --> 00:42:56,176 of state-sponsored doping. 717 00:43:00,313 --> 00:43:06,186 [in Russian] We are preparing our response to again provide any explanation needed. 718 00:43:06,252 --> 00:43:08,922 That's all I can say at this point. 719 00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:13,259 Does this mean they could potentially miss next year's Olympics? 720 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,620 Well, that is certainly one of the potential outcomes here. 721 00:43:16,162 --> 00:43:19,699 [man] The International Olympic Committee have released a statement. 722 00:43:19,766 --> 00:43:23,903 You will see athletes being sanctioned by the IAAF. 723 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,375 You will see athletes and officials being excluded. 724 00:43:28,441 --> 00:43:32,712 And you will see an action led by the IOC. 725 00:43:32,779 --> 00:43:35,782 We'll apply this zero-tolerance policy. 726 00:43:36,449 --> 00:43:38,918 [man] Decision time for the IAAF 727 00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:41,287 on whether Russia's track and field athletes 728 00:43:41,388 --> 00:43:44,224 will be allowed to compete at the Rio Olympics. 729 00:43:44,724 --> 00:43:47,961 I want to hear what the Athletics Federation of Russia 730 00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:50,463 is actually saying in answer to those allegations. 731 00:43:50,563 --> 00:43:53,633 [man] The Sports Minister, Vitaly Mutko, has said, 732 00:43:53,733 --> 00:43:57,804 "Russia took all the necessary measures," he says, "to fight the doping problem. 733 00:43:57,904 --> 00:43:59,639 Moscow's anti-doping lab 734 00:43:59,739 --> 00:44:02,776 was recently recognized as one of the best in the world." 735 00:44:05,478 --> 00:44:07,470 You don't want to talk to us? 736 00:44:07,113 --> 00:44:11,651 Well, the employees at this lab are clearly being very tight-lipped, 737 00:44:11,751 --> 00:44:15,488 but the report from the World Anti-Doping Agency 738 00:44:15,588 --> 00:44:17,123 goes into great detail 739 00:44:17,223 --> 00:44:20,560 describing the alleged activities inside that building. 740 00:44:21,761 --> 00:44:23,763 [Rodchenkov] There are around 50 correspondents 741 00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:26,666 behind my fence, but I am here. 742 00:44:26,766 --> 00:44:28,568 And I am not supposed to talk. 743 00:44:29,936 --> 00:44:31,304 Bryan, stay quiet. 744 00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:35,642 You're a lucky man. Only you, knowing me. 745 00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:37,344 [Skype call ends] 746 00:44:38,445 --> 00:44:39,679 Holy shit. 747 00:44:40,914 --> 00:44:47,454 The World Anti-Doping Agency suspended Russia's sports drug-testing lab, 748 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,622 and the head of the lab resigned. 749 00:44:56,162 --> 00:44:58,832 [Veronika in Russian] Grisha, be careful what you tell him now. 750 00:44:58,932 --> 00:45:00,934 [Rodchenkov] Don't tell me. I am just-- 751 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,103 [Veronika] They're holding on the phone for you. 752 00:45:03,169 --> 00:45:06,106 -[Rodchenkov] Tell them I'll call back-- -[Veronika] It sounds serious. 753 00:45:06,172 --> 00:45:08,800 [Rodchenkov] I'll call back in five minutes! 754 00:45:08,775 --> 00:45:12,120 -[Veronika] Okay, but will you? -[Rodchenkov] Yes, go away! 755 00:45:12,712 --> 00:45:13,713 [Veronika] Fine. 756 00:45:14,214 --> 00:45:15,281 [Rodchenkov] Bryan... 757 00:45:16,316 --> 00:45:17,817 [in English] It's a disaster. 758 00:45:17,884 --> 00:45:19,386 They're just killing people. 759 00:45:19,486 --> 00:45:22,288 Cutting heads, you know, without who is guilty. 760 00:45:22,355 --> 00:45:25,125 Yesterday, you know, I went to Minister Mutko, 761 00:45:25,191 --> 00:45:27,270 and we started to discuss. 762 00:45:27,127 --> 00:45:30,230 He was talking, blah, blah, blah, about football. 763 00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:33,166 Uh, blah, blah, blah, about Formula 1. 764 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:36,703 Then to say what to do with bloody doping. 765 00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:39,806 But he say, "Could you resign?" I go, "Yes." 766 00:45:40,674 --> 00:45:43,209 "Today?" "Yes, today." 767 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,780 And I resigned. 768 00:45:46,146 --> 00:45:47,147 And... 769 00:45:47,981 --> 00:45:49,516 they lost director. 770 00:45:49,582 --> 00:45:52,719 I have a lot of calls, but I'm just changing my telephones. 771 00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:58,191 People are looking for their job, but laboratory is almost empty. 772 00:45:58,258 --> 00:45:59,920 Empty. 773 00:45:59,726 --> 00:46:02,620 I don't know what's going on. 774 00:46:02,162 --> 00:46:05,398 I just know what I'm reading in the newspaper and in the press and... 775 00:46:05,498 --> 00:46:06,599 You know. 776 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,680 Oh, really? Really? 777 00:46:08,768 --> 00:46:11,705 I mean, will they come after you? 778 00:46:11,771 --> 00:46:14,740 Are they gonna arrest you? Are they gonna... 779 00:46:14,574 --> 00:46:16,676 Would they try to put you in jail? 780 00:46:17,377 --> 00:46:18,778 In jail? No. 781 00:46:18,878 --> 00:46:20,447 What is the reason for jail? 782 00:46:20,547 --> 00:46:21,448 -You know. -No. 783 00:46:21,548 --> 00:46:23,416 Are you in any danger? 784 00:46:25,251 --> 00:46:29,122 Yes, but not jail. It could be some... I don't know. 785 00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:33,259 -I mean-- -Do you know that I am now moving 786 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,794 with a security man? 787 00:46:34,894 --> 00:46:36,129 Security guard. 788 00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:37,970 No. 789 00:46:37,731 --> 00:46:39,899 Just a security guard in my home. 790 00:46:39,966 --> 00:46:41,801 -In your home? -Coming to my car. 791 00:46:41,901 --> 00:46:43,203 I'm following behind. 792 00:46:44,137 --> 00:46:46,539 It's recommended until the end of the week, 793 00:46:46,606 --> 00:46:49,376 because I am the only man who can kill both sides. 794 00:46:49,442 --> 00:46:50,810 Russia and WADA, so... 795 00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:52,645 Stay quiet. 796 00:46:54,114 --> 00:46:55,782 [Vitaly Mutko in Russian] Let me say this. 797 00:46:55,882 --> 00:46:59,919 In reality, the Independent Commission's report 798 00:46:59,986 --> 00:47:03,823 and statements made by Mr. Pound are exaggerated. 799 00:47:03,923 --> 00:47:07,930 We've even built a modern, state-of-the-art anti-doping laboratory 800 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,497 that is renowned for its testing 801 00:47:10,597 --> 00:47:15,635 for the Olympics, Paralympics, championships and more, 802 00:47:15,735 --> 00:47:18,571 and received the highest merits for its contributions. 803 00:47:18,638 --> 00:47:21,341 The government is merely financing the laboratory operation. 804 00:47:21,441 --> 00:47:24,577 [Rodchenkov in English] They don't accept this Independent Commission at all. 805 00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,447 They're deliberately lying. 806 00:47:28,281 --> 00:47:29,416 Bryan, Bryan... 807 00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:31,518 -look at me. -[Fogel] Okay. 808 00:47:32,285 --> 00:47:36,220 [Rodchenkov] It means I could be tossed under the bus anytime. 809 00:47:36,823 --> 00:47:39,793 I'm not sure that we are connecting freely. 810 00:47:39,859 --> 00:47:42,662 Because now we are on radar, that's for sure. 811 00:47:44,264 --> 00:47:45,298 You know Snowden? 812 00:47:45,965 --> 00:47:47,000 Yeah, of course. 813 00:47:47,767 --> 00:47:50,270 Now you see. [clicks tongue] 814 00:47:51,438 --> 00:47:53,640 We still don't know... We still don't know 815 00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,976 whether Russia is participating in Olympic Games or not. 816 00:47:57,477 --> 00:48:01,981 The outcome, why I am very much cautious about my life... 817 00:48:02,816 --> 00:48:06,453 If me will be purged... 818 00:48:07,153 --> 00:48:09,550 okay, Russia will go to the Olympics. 819 00:48:09,622 --> 00:48:12,392 [clicking tongue] The problem is to survive. 820 00:48:12,492 --> 00:48:14,227 -Listen, I, uh... -Yes. 821 00:48:14,861 --> 00:48:17,464 -Joking, you know, seriousness aside... -Stop it. Stop, stop. 822 00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:20,700 I'm just... I'm worried about you. 823 00:48:21,368 --> 00:48:22,502 Yes, yes. 824 00:48:23,136 --> 00:48:24,471 Tomorrow, I drop you. 825 00:48:25,538 --> 00:48:28,208 And then, when I say... [clicks tongue] 826 00:48:28,575 --> 00:48:33,513 "How is weather in Los Angeles?" or anything related to weather... 827 00:48:35,715 --> 00:48:38,918 it means that we will talk in 15, 20 minutes. 828 00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:40,200 Be ready to talk. 829 00:48:44,224 --> 00:48:47,594 [Sebastian Coe] Tonight, our sport finds itself in a shameful situation. 830 00:48:47,694 --> 00:48:52,832 And that is why I can confirm the council has overwhelmingly voted, 831 00:48:52,899 --> 00:48:56,269 with immediate effect, to suspend the Russian Federation. 832 00:48:56,369 --> 00:49:00,373 It's done so, uh, by 22 votes to one. 833 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,411 It is the strongest sanction... [continues indistinctly] 834 00:49:13,787 --> 00:49:18,358 [in Russian] Regarding the recent events 835 00:49:19,759 --> 00:49:22,429 connected to our track and field team, 836 00:49:22,529 --> 00:49:27,534 I urge the sports minister and all my sports colleagues 837 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,700 to make this their number one priority. 838 00:49:30,136 --> 00:49:31,304 This is the first step. 839 00:49:31,404 --> 00:49:35,575 Secondly, it is vital to conduct our own internal investigation. 840 00:49:35,642 --> 00:49:39,312 [clears throat] Sport should be fair. 841 00:49:39,412 --> 00:49:44,284 Responsibility should be personalized and absolute. 842 00:49:48,722 --> 00:49:49,723 [Rodchenkov] Bryan... 843 00:49:51,391 --> 00:49:53,460 I need... Wait, look at me. 844 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,627 Yeah. 845 00:49:54,728 --> 00:49:58,640 I need to escape and to walk... to walk... 846 00:49:58,131 --> 00:49:59,766 You can go wherever you want. 847 00:49:59,833 --> 00:50:03,737 -Okay. -I will be doggy-sitting at your home. 848 00:50:03,803 --> 00:50:05,472 So you wanna get out? 849 00:50:06,139 --> 00:50:07,941 Yes. Simply. 850 00:50:08,908 --> 00:50:11,444 What do you want to, uh... 851 00:50:11,511 --> 00:50:14,800 It's very suspicious when you have one-way ticket, you know. 852 00:50:14,147 --> 00:50:17,984 Yeah, right. You have to book a round trip. 853 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,686 [Veronika in Russian] They're watching us. 854 00:50:20,854 --> 00:50:22,220 -[Rodchenkov] Bryan? -Yeah. 855 00:50:22,122 --> 00:50:25,191 [Rodchenkov] What I am doing, myself, I can do nothing. 856 00:50:25,291 --> 00:50:27,930 -So... -Okay? 857 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,528 [stammering] 858 00:50:28,628 --> 00:50:32,132 I'll send you... Let me figure out some flight options, okay? 859 00:50:33,433 --> 00:50:34,267 Okay. 860 00:50:35,668 --> 00:50:37,504 [Fogel] I'm gonna get the flight, right now. 861 00:50:37,604 --> 00:50:39,472 -[Rodchenkov] Yes, right now. -Okay. 862 00:50:39,539 --> 00:50:40,674 [Rodchenkov] Go. 863 00:50:40,774 --> 00:50:44,100 Also, some security measures will be set. 864 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:47,147 [Fogel] How will I know that you made it through okay? 865 00:50:47,213 --> 00:50:48,480 [Rodchenkov] Um... 866 00:50:49,616 --> 00:50:50,984 I don't know. 867 00:50:52,118 --> 00:50:53,119 Okay? 868 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,221 Okay. 869 00:50:56,723 --> 00:50:57,724 [both] Okay. 870 00:50:59,959 --> 00:51:01,995 -[Rodchenkov] Bryan? -Yeah, I'm right here. 871 00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:05,131 -Okay, just left my security man. -[Fogel] Okay. 872 00:51:05,198 --> 00:51:07,834 [Rodchenkov] I am very much dizzy, paranoid. 873 00:51:07,901 --> 00:51:09,202 [Fogel] We'll get you here. 874 00:51:09,302 --> 00:51:14,700 [Rodchenkov] My wife and children decided maybe it's better to stay in Russia. 875 00:51:14,641 --> 00:51:18,478 [Fogel] Just gotta make sure in the US that you're okay also. 876 00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:20,380 [Rodchenkov] My daughter... 877 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:21,981 [Fogel] Yes? 878 00:51:22,515 --> 00:51:24,840 [Rodchenkov] She's getting married. 879 00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:26,190 [Fogel] Right. 880 00:51:26,860 --> 00:51:27,754 [Rodchenkov] Married, everything. 881 00:51:30,156 --> 00:51:31,191 It's time. 882 00:51:32,158 --> 00:51:33,159 [Fogel] Okay. 883 00:51:33,226 --> 00:51:35,829 -[Rodchenkov] Cross fingers now. -[Fogel] You, too. 884 00:51:35,895 --> 00:51:37,764 [Rodchenkov] Remember Orwell. 885 00:51:37,864 --> 00:51:41,434 "We will meet each other where there is no darkness." 886 00:51:49,743 --> 00:51:52,112 [Fogel] When I first interviewed you a year ago, 887 00:51:52,212 --> 00:51:54,414 I asked you if you thought your investigation 888 00:51:54,514 --> 00:51:57,830 would be a defining moment in the history of sport. 889 00:51:57,917 --> 00:51:59,853 How would you answer that question now? 890 00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:04,357 Yes, it can be a defining moment, and I think it should. 891 00:52:04,858 --> 00:52:10,130 You've got your number one Olympic sport in the crosshairs, 892 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:14,534 and you've got one of the major Olympic countries in the world 893 00:52:14,601 --> 00:52:15,568 in the crosshairs, 894 00:52:15,635 --> 00:52:18,571 even if it's the crosshairs only on athletics at the moment. 895 00:52:19,139 --> 00:52:23,309 That has the potential of affecting the credibility of all sport 896 00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:27,714 and, therefore, the continued viability of all sport. 897 00:52:27,781 --> 00:52:30,383 Why would I watch an event that's fixed? 898 00:52:40,894 --> 00:52:43,630 [indistinct announcement over PA] 899 00:53:06,619 --> 00:53:07,787 [Fogel] There he is. 900 00:53:12,826 --> 00:53:14,828 -I'm here, yes! -He's escaped. 901 00:53:14,928 --> 00:53:17,664 -This is-- Yes. Escaped alive. -[chuckles] 902 00:53:17,764 --> 00:53:18,765 Come on. 903 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,000 [laughing] 904 00:53:22,435 --> 00:53:23,536 [Fogel] Then you did what? 905 00:53:23,636 --> 00:53:25,672 [Rodchenkov] Destroyed my computer from my working place. 906 00:53:25,772 --> 00:53:28,842 I took hard disk. And also, I have three copies. 907 00:53:29,376 --> 00:53:31,344 It's a historical moment. 908 00:53:31,444 --> 00:53:33,446 [Dan Cogan on phone] Grigory, I want you to know 909 00:53:33,513 --> 00:53:35,949 that I understand your desire to be visible 910 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,652 and I think that's very important for you, to be safe. 911 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,457 I was on the phone yesterday with the lawyer for Edward Snowden. 912 00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:47,193 They have some recommendations. 913 00:53:47,293 --> 00:53:51,164 I have everything with me, and also I destroyed my office computer. 914 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,402 Put it in a very safe place and dropped there like a dummy. 915 00:53:56,703 --> 00:53:58,471 [Cogan] We'll talk in a few hours. 916 00:54:04,644 --> 00:54:07,480 -[Fogel] This is, uh... This is it. -[Rodchenkov] Uh-huh. 917 00:54:09,582 --> 00:54:11,510 It's like a labyrinth. 918 00:54:11,151 --> 00:54:12,519 [Fogel] Yeah. 919 00:54:20,226 --> 00:54:22,862 Okay, this is the place. 920 00:54:22,929 --> 00:54:24,531 -[Rodchenkov] Good. -Here's, um... 921 00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:26,933 bed, bathroom. 922 00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:28,268 [Rodchenkov] Secure place. 923 00:54:29,836 --> 00:54:31,400 It's a good thing. 924 00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:33,873 [Fogel] This'll work, at least till we get what the plan is 925 00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:34,941 and what we're gonna do. 926 00:54:35,442 --> 00:54:38,111 [Rodchenkov] He goes to me. He remembers me since May. 927 00:54:38,712 --> 00:54:40,246 You will be learning Russian. 928 00:54:40,914 --> 00:54:43,750 You will be learning Russian very soon. 929 00:54:43,850 --> 00:54:45,218 I'm missing dogs. 930 00:54:48,188 --> 00:54:53,626 There was one thing that I noticed in the IC report, 931 00:54:53,727 --> 00:54:58,465 and that was that there were KGB people hanging around the lab. 932 00:54:59,899 --> 00:55:01,634 And that's a real no-no. 933 00:55:02,736 --> 00:55:05,105 You know, KGB people are not nice people. 934 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,942 So I am at home. 935 00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:12,379 [interpreter] We will banish all those who have a suspicious reputation 936 00:55:12,445 --> 00:55:14,247 from the leadership of Russian athletics. 937 00:55:14,314 --> 00:55:19,486 In 60 days, we will present the renewed athletics with new people... 938 00:55:19,586 --> 00:55:23,256 [Fogel] So, if the KGB... I guess they're called the FSB now... 939 00:55:24,391 --> 00:55:26,626 they're in the lab, 940 00:55:27,327 --> 00:55:30,630 who else could finance them but Vitaly Mutko? 941 00:55:31,131 --> 00:55:35,101 Oh, I don't think Vitaly Mutko finances the FSB. 942 00:55:35,168 --> 00:55:38,938 -That's a state security operation. -But... but Putin? 943 00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:45,110 Well, whoever finances it and runs the state security apparatus, 944 00:55:45,111 --> 00:55:47,914 it's not the sport minister. 945 00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:53,520 [man] Officials are essentially saying, "There may be some problems, 946 00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:56,623 but we are trying and have already taken steps 947 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:58,158 to address those problems." 948 00:55:58,258 --> 00:56:01,995 And all of the officials are essentially rejecting the idea 949 00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:04,264 that there's still a major problem. 950 00:56:04,330 --> 00:56:05,331 [in Russian] Honey, hi. 951 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,335 I am here, far away and in the darkness. 952 00:56:10,437 --> 00:56:12,372 You see them all? 953 00:56:12,872 --> 00:56:16,643 Wearing fancy suits, ties, making speeches on TV... 954 00:56:17,277 --> 00:56:18,978 It's all a farce. 955 00:56:21,715 --> 00:56:23,717 [in English] Of course I was very disappointed 956 00:56:23,817 --> 00:56:25,352 when laboratory was closed. 957 00:56:27,187 --> 00:56:31,458 Now reading this IC report, I am just watching with another's eyes. 958 00:56:39,232 --> 00:56:43,336 I know that I could change the past, telling the truth. 959 00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:51,344 But would you like telling the truth, you will be annihilated. 960 00:57:00,854 --> 00:57:05,250 George Orwell, I was reading the first in 1989. 961 00:57:05,725 --> 00:57:07,600 I was 30. 962 00:57:08,595 --> 00:57:11,431 Before that time, in Soviet Union, 963 00:57:11,531 --> 00:57:15,335 the book 1984, it was strictly, strictly prohibited. 964 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,741 For me, it was totally shocking. 965 00:57:23,677 --> 00:57:26,790 Especially "ignorance is strength." 966 00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:29,490 This is the most powerful thing. 967 00:57:30,830 --> 00:57:31,951 It was my weapon. 968 00:57:32,552 --> 00:57:36,790 It gave me definitions, it gave me coordinates 969 00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:38,758 how you can apply to your life. 970 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:42,395 It's like a road map. 971 00:57:44,964 --> 00:57:48,802 "'There are three stages in your reintegration,' said O'Brien. 972 00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:52,405 'There is learning, there is understanding, 973 00:57:52,472 --> 00:57:54,307 and there is acceptance. 974 00:58:01,147 --> 00:58:04,651 It's time for you to enter upon the first stage.'" 975 00:58:13,927 --> 00:58:15,729 I was thinking that we'd start... 976 00:58:15,795 --> 00:58:19,399 I ask you questions, and you answer "yes" or "no." 977 00:58:21,334 --> 00:58:24,838 Does Russia have a systematic, statewide doping system in place 978 00:58:24,938 --> 00:58:26,272 to cheat the Olympics? 979 00:58:26,339 --> 00:58:27,440 Yes. 980 00:58:28,742 --> 00:58:31,945 Were you the mastermind of a statewide system 981 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,613 that cheated the Olympics? 982 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,149 Of course. Yes. 983 00:58:36,249 --> 00:58:41,121 Russia won a total of 73 medals in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. 984 00:58:41,187 --> 00:58:43,490 How many of those athletes were dirty? 985 00:58:46,326 --> 00:58:47,193 Thirty. 986 00:58:47,861 --> 00:58:52,499 Russia won 81 total medals in London. How many of those were dirty? 987 00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:53,600 Oh, even more. 988 00:58:53,666 --> 00:58:56,169 50% is for sure. Let it be 50%. 989 00:58:56,703 --> 00:59:00,707 They were earned using special program. 990 00:59:00,807 --> 00:59:02,609 State-sponsored, of course. 991 00:59:03,777 --> 00:59:08,480 Was Putin aware of the existence of a Russian doping system? 992 00:59:08,148 --> 00:59:10,316 Yes. Aware of my name. 993 00:59:10,984 --> 00:59:14,387 He took me from the prison for such special affair. 994 00:59:15,188 --> 00:59:16,956 -From prison? -Yes. 995 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,292 To redeem. 996 00:59:20,226 --> 00:59:22,896 Okay, let's back up one sec here. 997 00:59:22,996 --> 00:59:26,466 My concern is that it's something they would use to discredit you. 998 00:59:26,533 --> 00:59:27,901 Oh, of course. 999 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:32,972 So, the first criminal investigation against you, 1000 00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:34,874 when was it and what happened? 1001 00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:41,314 Oh, it's not easy to say how it happened. 1002 00:59:42,816 --> 00:59:47,721 Before 2008, China was the biggest producer of anabolics. 1003 00:59:48,855 --> 00:59:51,240 It was produced in a pharmaceutical, 1004 00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:53,693 well-equipped, good manufacturing practice. 1005 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,196 No contamination, high qualities. 1006 00:59:56,262 --> 00:59:59,733 And all these anabolics are coming to Europe, to the United States. 1007 01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,268 It's the same like in Russia. 1008 01:00:03,103 --> 01:00:06,390 Of course, at that time in Russia, as the head of laboratory, 1009 01:00:07,173 --> 01:00:08,541 I was a part of system. 1010 01:00:09,376 --> 01:00:13,213 There are three or four top-level witch doctors, 1011 01:00:13,279 --> 01:00:14,948 like Portugalov. 1012 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,190 Portugalov was the famous anabolic coach of Russian national team. 1013 01:00:20,353 --> 01:00:22,522 It was Soviet time. He was before me. 1014 01:00:24,724 --> 01:00:27,127 Portugalov is conveyor of athletes. 1015 01:00:27,794 --> 01:00:32,298 He has his own protocols, and he really had great success. 1016 01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:36,269 And then they became Olympic champions. 1017 01:00:39,572 --> 01:00:42,242 The problem began in 2008. 1018 01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:45,745 Jacques Rogge, the president of the Olympics, 1019 01:00:45,812 --> 01:00:47,947 told government of China, 1020 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,952 "You are Olympic country, but you are producing anabolics in bulk. 1021 01:00:53,530 --> 01:00:56,122 You cannot do like this anymore. Stop it." 1022 01:00:56,222 --> 01:00:58,591 They stop it. Officially. 1023 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,961 But who is supplying steroids to national team? 1024 01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:04,631 Before, there was not any concern. 1025 01:01:04,731 --> 01:01:07,167 You buy stanozolol, it's stanozolol. 1026 01:01:07,267 --> 01:01:09,602 But Portugalov was so confident, 1027 01:01:09,669 --> 01:01:13,473 offering and providing things which were not proven or tested. 1028 01:01:15,141 --> 01:01:17,911 They have impurities which could be detectable. 1029 01:01:19,412 --> 01:01:22,649 "Oh," Portugalov say. "What to do? I spent so much money for this. 1030 01:01:22,749 --> 01:01:24,651 Maybe you could advise to do?" 1031 01:01:24,751 --> 01:01:27,587 What advice? Drop it to the trash. 1032 01:01:28,521 --> 01:01:30,230 Now, in Moscow laboratory, 1033 01:01:30,123 --> 01:01:33,159 we had the best sensitivity and detection limits. 1034 01:01:33,259 --> 01:01:37,130 I'm very proud that I created the test for long term metabolites, 1035 01:01:37,197 --> 01:01:39,332 which caused the detection window 1036 01:01:39,432 --> 01:01:42,135 to enlarge from two or three weeks to six months. 1037 01:01:43,169 --> 01:01:46,940 That's why Portugalov suddenly had so many positives. 1038 01:01:48,341 --> 01:01:50,810 All people on the national team, 1039 01:01:50,877 --> 01:01:53,847 they came to ask where to get these steroids. 1040 01:01:56,716 --> 01:01:58,184 I knew one source. 1041 01:01:59,786 --> 01:02:03,490 Suddenly, I was coordinating the whole steroid program. 1042 01:02:04,324 --> 01:02:06,260 [Fogel] So you were cutting out Portugalov? 1043 01:02:06,126 --> 01:02:07,861 [Rodchenkov] Yes, but what I was doing, 1044 01:02:07,961 --> 01:02:13,733 I was saving national team from purchasing dirty steroids. 1045 01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:19,906 Eventually, I don't know whether it was by purpose, 1046 01:02:20,407 --> 01:02:23,143 I fight with Portugalov. 1047 01:02:24,744 --> 01:02:26,479 Then I became enemy. 1048 01:02:28,348 --> 01:02:32,520 Criminal narcotic police came to my home, they took my computer, 1049 01:02:32,152 --> 01:02:35,922 and they said, "Then we arrest you on Monday." 1050 01:02:39,993 --> 01:02:44,640 I was in such depression and my will was paralyzed. 1051 01:02:47,167 --> 01:02:50,300 And I decided to escape, I don't know how. 1052 01:02:51,438 --> 01:02:53,573 I took some knife from... 1053 01:02:53,673 --> 01:02:56,176 very, very sharp... from my wife's kitchen. 1054 01:02:56,843 --> 01:02:59,846 I drank whiskey, I sit to the bath. 1055 01:03:01,181 --> 01:03:02,415 And... 1056 01:03:04,617 --> 01:03:06,953 And... it was... 1057 01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:08,722 It goes so smooth. 1058 01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,793 Then, in the water, I see how blood is doing like this. 1059 01:03:16,963 --> 01:03:19,599 It wasn't very strong, the lock. 1060 01:03:20,633 --> 01:03:21,968 My wife opened door. 1061 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,700 [siren wailing] 1062 01:03:31,478 --> 01:03:33,713 My heart was seared. 1063 01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:37,784 It was very good surgeon. 1064 01:03:40,754 --> 01:03:42,956 And since I was considered to be suicide... 1065 01:03:45,258 --> 01:03:47,293 I was sent to a psychiatric clinic. 1066 01:03:48,495 --> 01:03:50,797 After seeing that I am depressed, 1067 01:03:51,464 --> 01:03:54,567 they started to give me such crazy drugs. 1068 01:03:58,171 --> 01:04:00,306 I was totally out of reality. 1069 01:04:11,518 --> 01:04:13,319 And then again, something happened. 1070 01:04:14,754 --> 01:04:15,755 The criminal police, 1071 01:04:15,822 --> 01:04:18,758 they sentence me to another psychiatric clinic... 1072 01:04:20,527 --> 01:04:22,362 which is for those who are sadist, 1073 01:04:22,462 --> 01:04:25,131 who are totally worst-of-the-worst criminals. 1074 01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:31,204 They respected me very much. [chuckles] I was called "professor." 1075 01:04:31,304 --> 01:04:33,206 But I get better, better, better. 1076 01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:37,277 The most funny thing, they allowed me to use computer, 1077 01:04:37,344 --> 01:04:41,981 so I was working in psychiatric clinic like a head of laboratory director, 1078 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,651 advising the whole Russian national team. 1079 01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:47,287 That time, 1080 01:04:47,354 --> 01:04:50,990 I received, from Olympic Committee, an invitation to London, 1081 01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:54,160 2012 Olympic Games, being the director. 1082 01:04:55,462 --> 01:04:59,899 Russian ministry was little bit uncertain that I'm criminal in full. 1083 01:05:03,503 --> 01:05:04,838 But WADA said, 1084 01:05:04,904 --> 01:05:09,175 "If not Rodchenkov, we don't see in Russia any other candidate than him. 1085 01:05:09,242 --> 01:05:13,460 If you don't send him to London, we send to London another director." 1086 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,480 You can imagine how important 1087 01:05:15,148 --> 01:05:19,719 information from London laboratory is for national team. 1088 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,890 I had information, what testing this London laboratory is doing, 1089 01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:27,494 to understand where we are and how much is danger. 1090 01:05:28,610 --> 01:05:32,650 Without this, all Russian doping situation will be collapsed. 1091 01:05:33,867 --> 01:05:36,669 Thanks to God, Mutko understood this. 1092 01:05:37,771 --> 01:05:40,573 I received a call from the Moscow investigators. 1093 01:05:40,674 --> 01:05:41,508 "Grigory... 1094 01:05:42,909 --> 01:05:44,444 your case is dropped." 1095 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,480 Who took care of it? Who got the charges dropped? 1096 01:05:48,114 --> 01:05:49,916 Putin. Of course. 1097 01:05:50,417 --> 01:05:54,888 It's my redemption. Success in Sochi instead of being in prison. 1098 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,899 [in Russian] We are two workers, Kamaev and Rodchenkov, 1099 01:06:05,965 --> 01:06:08,234 with a mission in mind... 1100 01:06:08,301 --> 01:06:10,403 This is not a mission. This is a revolution. 1101 01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:13,373 -This is an anti-WADA strategy. -Of course! Of course! 1102 01:06:16,409 --> 01:06:19,946 [woman] The former head of Russia's anti-doping agency RUSADA 1103 01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:22,148 has unexpectedly died. 1104 01:06:24,584 --> 01:06:28,888 Nikita Kamaev's death comes just two months after he resigned his post, 1105 01:06:28,955 --> 01:06:32,592 which is, obviously, following the doping scandal that has rocked Russia 1106 01:06:32,659 --> 01:06:35,950 -and the rest of the world in athletics. -[sighs] 1107 01:06:37,397 --> 01:06:40,100 No, no, no. 1108 01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:45,105 No, no, no. 1109 01:06:45,171 --> 01:06:46,639 I have to see. 1110 01:06:47,340 --> 01:06:48,308 [man] We're told by RUSADA, 1111 01:06:48,408 --> 01:06:51,277 which is the doping agency he was formerly the head of, 1112 01:06:51,344 --> 01:06:54,814 that he appears to have had a massive heart attack. 1113 01:06:54,914 --> 01:06:55,982 [Rodchenkov] Of course. 1114 01:06:59,285 --> 01:07:00,353 Bryan? 1115 01:07:01,154 --> 01:07:02,155 I'm here. 1116 01:07:02,756 --> 01:07:03,923 You know, my friend? 1117 01:07:05,959 --> 01:07:07,270 My friend... 1118 01:07:07,927 --> 01:07:08,995 died. 1119 01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:11,197 I show you. 1120 01:07:11,297 --> 01:07:13,800 [man] He's got no previous history of heart problems. 1121 01:07:13,867 --> 01:07:15,602 [Rodchenkov speaking Russian] 1122 01:07:15,668 --> 01:07:18,838 It means, "Grigory, Nikita died." 1123 01:07:18,938 --> 01:07:22,175 [man] He just died. And so, it's an enormous shock. 1124 01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:25,645 [Rodchenkov] He's my friend since school time, 1125 01:07:25,712 --> 01:07:28,948 and he never complained about his heart 1126 01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:31,651 or any health problem, and... 1127 01:07:32,619 --> 01:07:34,988 He had a young wife. 1128 01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:38,558 They dreamed about children. I was talking to him day before. 1129 01:07:39,392 --> 01:07:40,827 This is... 1130 01:07:40,894 --> 01:07:42,729 Still, I cannot understand. 1131 01:07:44,631 --> 01:07:46,320 It cannot be like this. 1132 01:07:48,134 --> 01:07:49,903 He wrote book. 1133 01:07:51,538 --> 01:07:54,474 It's dangerous to write book in Russia. 1134 01:07:56,142 --> 01:07:58,878 [Fogel] I don't know. We gotta figure this out, because... 1135 01:07:58,978 --> 01:08:00,580 Of course, of course. 1136 01:08:01,715 --> 01:08:04,217 Do you think that they would... 1137 01:08:04,818 --> 01:08:10,156 Bryan, we are playing the most danger game in the history of sport. 1138 01:08:10,724 --> 01:08:15,929 WADA, ready to pay everything for me and for you to disappear. 1139 01:08:17,497 --> 01:08:21,935 Because we destroy not only their future, we destroy their past. 1140 01:08:22,535 --> 01:08:26,673 You know, there is very bad man still not mentioned. 1141 01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:29,542 Deputy Minister Mutko. 1142 01:08:30,577 --> 01:08:32,946 He could kill everybody. 1143 01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:35,382 He's a KGB man. 1144 01:08:36,249 --> 01:08:40,253 He's very dangerous. He has no moral at all. No, no. 1145 01:08:41,254 --> 01:08:43,590 "Oh, Nikita is writing book? 1146 01:08:44,724 --> 01:08:47,360 Fifty-two. Oh, he's tired. 1147 01:08:48,428 --> 01:08:49,629 He's desperate. 1148 01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:53,600 Oh, please, prepare obituary for the next week." 1149 01:08:54,734 --> 01:08:57,604 Can you imagine? I can imagine easily. 1150 01:09:02,308 --> 01:09:04,744 We should be very much careful. 1151 01:09:08,214 --> 01:09:09,916 [Fogel] Who were you reporting to? 1152 01:09:12,285 --> 01:09:14,587 Yuri Nagornykh, vice minister. 1153 01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:20,226 He was practically involved in everyday routine. 1154 01:09:21,261 --> 01:09:23,963 -[Fogel] So you would report to Yuri? -[Rodchenkov] Yes. 1155 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,999 -[Fogel] Yuri would report to Mutko? -[Rodchenkov] Yes. 1156 01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:28,635 -[Fogel] And Mutko reported to Putin? -[Rodchenkov] To Putin, yes. 1157 01:09:33,306 --> 01:09:36,409 [Rodchenkov] You know, there is no rest if you are paranoid. 1158 01:09:36,476 --> 01:09:39,112 [Fogel] It was around 12:30, one o'clock at night? 1159 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,349 [Rodchenkov] Or two. I don't know. 1160 01:09:42,449 --> 01:09:44,818 They were just hanging around, so... 1161 01:09:44,918 --> 01:09:48,421 -[Fogel] Somebody in the courtyard? -[Rodchenkov] Yes. 1162 01:09:49,756 --> 01:09:55,950 Two strong men knocked my door and appeared from darkness. 1163 01:09:55,929 --> 01:09:59,265 They asked me to let them in, and they came here. 1164 01:09:59,799 --> 01:10:05,438 And we were talking about sport, about many relevant or auxiliary things. 1165 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,609 They knew about death of Nikita Kamaev. 1166 01:10:10,944 --> 01:10:15,482 About, first of all, my boss, Minister Mutko. 1167 01:10:16,316 --> 01:10:19,519 It was inspection and... [mutters] 1168 01:10:19,619 --> 01:10:21,521 exhausts my nerves... 1169 01:10:21,621 --> 01:10:24,657 They finally gave me subpoena. 1170 01:10:24,724 --> 01:10:27,127 United States district court. 1171 01:10:27,627 --> 01:10:30,830 You see, it's for me. "To Grigory Rodchenkov." 1172 01:10:31,698 --> 01:10:35,735 [Fogel] You're commanded to appear in front of the grand jury. 1173 01:10:43,476 --> 01:10:47,313 [Ed Stier] He had been approached by two FBI agents. 1174 01:10:49,816 --> 01:10:52,185 They want him to go to New York 1175 01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:57,857 and appear in a grand jury and provide his information. 1176 01:10:59,590 --> 01:11:02,696 It triggered a whole series of decisions that had to be made. 1177 01:11:04,731 --> 01:11:06,766 I've checked out these two guys, 1178 01:11:06,866 --> 01:11:11,671 and both of these guys are not your everyday agent. 1179 01:11:11,738 --> 01:11:13,406 [Cogan] But why did they come to him? 1180 01:11:13,506 --> 01:11:15,742 They want him for something else that they're doing. 1181 01:11:15,842 --> 01:11:17,277 They didn't come to him for himself. 1182 01:11:18,211 --> 01:11:20,447 They're trying to make a case, 1183 01:11:20,547 --> 01:11:22,415 and they found out he was in LA. 1184 01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:27,120 His boss, Mutko, was actually the guy. 1185 01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:28,788 [lawyer] How was he able to survive? 1186 01:11:28,888 --> 01:11:32,125 Because he's Putin's best friend. He's the head of the sports ministry. 1187 01:11:32,225 --> 01:11:36,129 Just what sort of, uh... crime... 1188 01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:40,400 like, example, I could be done against or under US legislature? 1189 01:11:40,467 --> 01:11:44,738 The United States Justice Department loves to charge broad conspiracies. 1190 01:11:44,804 --> 01:11:47,307 That's their favorite charging instrument. 1191 01:11:47,407 --> 01:11:50,977 That you conspired with Mutko and others to-- 1192 01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:54,781 What is the conspiracy? It was conspiracy since 1980. 1193 01:11:54,881 --> 01:11:56,549 Let's reconsider Moscow Olympic Games, 1194 01:11:56,616 --> 01:12:00,860 and then reconsider situation in United States in 1984. 1195 01:12:00,153 --> 01:12:02,122 [lawyer] That's right. 1196 01:12:02,222 --> 01:12:06,960 They're looking for him to plea to what's called a cooperation agreement. 1197 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,763 What happens is, he cooperates, and at the end of the day, 1198 01:12:09,829 --> 01:12:13,333 the judge generally wouldn't incarcerate him, most likely. 1199 01:12:13,433 --> 01:12:16,690 [Stier] First of all, we don't know whether that's... 1200 01:12:16,136 --> 01:12:18,471 what the bureau's interested in at this point. 1201 01:12:18,571 --> 01:12:21,841 [lawyer] If we turn down, they could indict him. 1202 01:12:21,941 --> 01:12:24,511 -[Fogel] You gotta be shitting me. -We can talk to these guys. 1203 01:12:26,513 --> 01:12:29,783 [Stier] The most important thing is he is not sent back to Russia, 1204 01:12:29,849 --> 01:12:32,285 where he would certainly be assassinated. 1205 01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:35,355 [Fogel] We've been discussing with Grigory 1206 01:12:35,455 --> 01:12:38,240 whether or not he should go public in some way 1207 01:12:38,124 --> 01:12:39,292 prior to the Olympics. 1208 01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:41,361 [Stier] Prior to the Olympics. What you're saying is 1209 01:12:41,461 --> 01:12:43,863 if he's established as a cooperating witness, 1210 01:12:43,963 --> 01:12:45,265 he may not be able to do that. 1211 01:12:45,331 --> 01:12:47,934 [lawyer] That's right. That's right. Which is a downside. 1212 01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:51,400 [Stier] But once Grigory's public, I think he's in much less danger. 1213 01:12:51,104 --> 01:12:53,106 Because if the Russians do anything to hurt him, 1214 01:12:53,173 --> 01:12:54,474 it makes them look very guilty. 1215 01:12:54,541 --> 01:12:57,177 [lawyer] Except they'll just say he had a heart attack, like they did... 1216 01:12:57,277 --> 01:12:59,179 [Fogel] Grigory, look at me. 1217 01:13:00,460 --> 01:13:04,351 Is it in your best interest to break the story? 1218 01:13:05,185 --> 01:13:06,453 Uh... 1219 01:13:06,519 --> 01:13:09,155 You mean to disclose? We have to disclose. 1220 01:13:10,657 --> 01:13:14,294 [automated voice] Please enter your participant ID. Thank you. 1221 01:13:17,731 --> 01:13:22,100 [Rodchenkov] I strongly suggest they stay only with list of 36 athletes. 1222 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:23,870 [Fogel] Okay. But they're about to publish. 1223 01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:27,374 They're asking us how they can verify the authenticity of the Sochi list. 1224 01:13:27,474 --> 01:13:30,210 [Rodchenkov] Yes, this is most important. It's authentic document. 1225 01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:32,412 It was in Sochi on my table. 1226 01:13:32,512 --> 01:13:35,982 And if you go behind this list, there is creation date. 1227 01:13:36,490 --> 01:13:37,984 [Fogel] And this list came from the ministry? 1228 01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:39,586 [Rodchenkov] Of course, of course. 1229 01:13:39,686 --> 01:13:41,254 [Fogel] So, Rebecca, you have the file. 1230 01:13:41,354 --> 01:13:44,858 So under properties of the file, you can see it was created 1231 01:13:44,924 --> 01:13:48,280 Tuesday, January 21st, from the ministry. 1232 01:14:21,428 --> 01:14:24,798 [Fogel] Oh, my God! You're unrecognizable! 1233 01:14:24,898 --> 01:14:26,990 Not recognizable at all. 1234 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,969 Psychological, looking in mirror, it's not me. 1235 01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:32,739 The New York Times is breaking tomorrow. 1236 01:14:32,806 --> 01:14:34,641 -Tomorrow? -Tomorrow. 1237 01:14:34,741 --> 01:14:37,770 Oh, I need... I need... [sighs] 1238 01:14:37,477 --> 01:14:38,945 intravenous injections 1239 01:14:39,646 --> 01:14:41,548 -to relax. Tomorrow? -Tomorrow. 1240 01:14:41,614 --> 01:14:44,150 -[Rodchenkov] Why not? -Okay, so here's what's happening. 1241 01:14:45,752 --> 01:14:48,388 [Fogel] Have you spoke to the Department of Justice yet? 1242 01:14:48,455 --> 01:14:50,156 [lawyer on phone] I told them, 1243 01:14:50,256 --> 01:14:52,258 and they reacted like I expected they would. 1244 01:14:52,325 --> 01:14:53,326 They're upset. 1245 01:14:53,426 --> 01:14:54,461 -Right. -So... 1246 01:14:54,561 --> 01:14:57,464 They wanted to know, did he provide any documents to them? 1247 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,102 [Fogel] He provided lists of doped athletes. 1248 01:15:02,602 --> 01:15:08,575 He provided an FSB file of how the testing was arranged at Sochi. 1249 01:15:08,641 --> 01:15:12,679 Yeah, unfortunately, they're gonna terminate the whole... 1250 01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:17,283 Now that he turned over documents, they're gonna cancel. 1251 01:15:17,817 --> 01:15:19,753 And they're just gonna prosecute him. 1252 01:15:25,291 --> 01:15:28,428 [Rodchenkov] "It's time for you to enter upon the second stage." 1253 01:15:32,298 --> 01:15:34,434 [Jacques Rogge] The International Olympic Committee 1254 01:15:34,501 --> 01:15:36,200 has the honor of announcing 1255 01:15:36,102 --> 01:15:40,473 that the 22nd Olympic Winter Games in 2014 1256 01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:43,109 are awarded to the city of Sochi. 1257 01:15:43,176 --> 01:15:44,644 [cheering] 1258 01:15:46,780 --> 01:15:51,117 That's future for everything. That's future for my country! For Russia! 1259 01:15:52,686 --> 01:15:56,389 Millions of citizens of Russia are united by the Olympic dream. 1260 01:15:57,290 --> 01:16:02,280 Our national pledge to you is, the choice of Sochi is the best choice. 1261 01:16:04,631 --> 01:16:07,901 [Rodchenkov] There is a top-level decision. 1262 01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,169 You know who I mean. 1263 01:16:09,736 --> 01:16:13,373 And big boss, Vladimir Putin, saying, 1264 01:16:13,473 --> 01:16:17,677 "We have to show the best result in Sochi. 1265 01:16:17,744 --> 01:16:19,979 We must show the others who we are." 1266 01:16:20,647 --> 01:16:24,184 -[man] Hurrah! -[crowd] Hurrah! 1267 01:16:25,485 --> 01:16:27,821 Hurrah! 1268 01:16:27,887 --> 01:16:31,891 [Rodchenkov] We could make team clean before Sochi. One month. 1269 01:16:31,991 --> 01:16:33,360 [crowd cheering] 1270 01:16:36,996 --> 01:16:42,680 But it was decided to use PEDs during Sochi. 1271 01:16:43,603 --> 01:16:47,273 Through the competition so they could be at their very top level? 1272 01:16:47,374 --> 01:16:48,274 Right, right. 1273 01:16:49,409 --> 01:16:50,944 [announcer] Vladimir Putin. 1274 01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,512 [announcer speaking French] 1275 01:16:52,579 --> 01:16:55,415 [Fogel] So instead of using the science, 1276 01:16:55,882 --> 01:16:59,119 the science that you developed to get around the system, 1277 01:17:00,253 --> 01:17:01,621 you abandoned the science? 1278 01:17:01,721 --> 01:17:02,722 Yes. 1279 01:17:03,723 --> 01:17:06,226 The most important "yes." Forget about this. 1280 01:17:07,930 --> 01:17:08,561 Ladies and gentlemen, 1281 01:17:08,628 --> 01:17:15,235 let me declare the 126th session of the International Olympic Committee 1282 01:17:15,301 --> 01:17:16,569 open. 1283 01:17:16,636 --> 01:17:19,439 -Thank you. -[audience applauding] 1284 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,251 [Rodchenkov] Opening ceremony was the most heartbreaking day... 1285 01:17:32,919 --> 01:17:34,621 in sports history. 1286 01:17:42,762 --> 01:17:45,665 -Hi, Bryan. - The story just broke. 1287 01:17:45,765 --> 01:17:49,736 [stammering] What do you mean? Is it published or not? 1288 01:17:49,803 --> 01:17:51,504 -Yes, published. -[gasps] 1289 01:17:51,604 --> 01:17:53,506 Published! The story is published! 1290 01:17:53,606 --> 01:17:57,410 [man on TV] According to The New York Times, Rodchenkov... 1291 01:17:58,780 --> 01:17:59,120 Okay. 1292 01:18:01,147 --> 01:18:03,183 This is the photo of bottles. 1293 01:18:03,283 --> 01:18:06,353 Those bottles were given from Nikita Kamaev. 1294 01:18:06,986 --> 01:18:09,456 "Grigory Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory 1295 01:18:09,522 --> 01:18:11,991 that handled testing for thousands of Olympians, 1296 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,495 said he developed a three-drug cocktail of banned substances 1297 01:18:15,595 --> 01:18:19,132 that he mixed with liquor and provided to dozens of Russian athletes, 1298 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,102 helping to facilitate one of the most elaborate 1299 01:18:22,168 --> 01:18:25,772 and successful doping ploys in sport history." 1300 01:18:26,873 --> 01:18:28,541 [sighs deeply] 1301 01:18:31,111 --> 01:18:34,681 [Thomas Bach] Join and support our fight for fair play. 1302 01:18:35,448 --> 01:18:37,350 The athletes deserve it. 1303 01:18:38,952 --> 01:18:43,189 And to you, my fellow Olympic athletes, 1304 01:18:43,289 --> 01:18:48,895 I say, respect the rules, play fair, be clean. 1305 01:18:48,995 --> 01:18:50,563 [crowd cheering] 1306 01:18:53,133 --> 01:18:54,801 [Fogel] In 2014, in Sochi, 1307 01:18:55,368 --> 01:19:00,840 did Russia swap out dirty urine for clean urine? 1308 01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:02,909 Always. 1309 01:19:05,512 --> 01:19:08,581 [dramatic music playing] 1310 01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:16,990 [narrator] The information contained in this little bottle 1311 01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:19,993 helps keep sport on the level playing field. 1312 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,162 That's why we created ADAMS, 1313 01:19:22,228 --> 01:19:26,990 the free Anti-Doping Administration and Management System from WADA. 1314 01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:31,104 All operating under a level of security typically used by financial institutions. 1315 01:19:31,204 --> 01:19:33,740 In effect, becoming the centralized clearing house 1316 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,709 for all anti-doping information. 1317 01:19:36,376 --> 01:19:39,679 ADAMS. Everyone should play true. 1318 01:19:43,416 --> 01:19:46,252 [Fogel] Walk us through the collection process. 1319 01:19:50,357 --> 01:19:52,792 It's in this container. It's divided into two. 1320 01:19:53,593 --> 01:19:56,730 [Fogel] The A sample and the B sample. These are the... 1321 01:19:56,796 --> 01:19:58,765 -[Catlin] Bottles. -[Fogel] They're called the Bereg-Kits? 1322 01:19:58,865 --> 01:20:03,360 Yes. It's one particular company in Switzerland that makes them. 1323 01:20:03,737 --> 01:20:05,538 [McLaren] It's called the Berlinger bottle, 1324 01:20:05,605 --> 01:20:08,208 and the Berlinger bottle is state of the art. 1325 01:20:08,274 --> 01:20:12,379 It's sealed very tight with a vice-like device. 1326 01:20:12,445 --> 01:20:15,810 A collector is right there, watching. 1327 01:20:18,151 --> 01:20:19,619 And then it goes to the lab. 1328 01:20:21,888 --> 01:20:26,726 It's in the lab that the B bottles are pulled aside and put in the freezer. 1329 01:20:29,162 --> 01:20:32,332 The analytical work is done on the A sample. 1330 01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:35,268 [Olivier Rabin] The way we collect the sample, 1331 01:20:35,335 --> 01:20:37,270 the trustability of the sample, 1332 01:20:37,337 --> 01:20:39,406 the fact that we've got an A and a B sample 1333 01:20:39,472 --> 01:20:42,509 is a very, very, uh, safe system. 1334 01:20:43,343 --> 01:20:45,445 [McLaren] The caps on the bottles, 1335 01:20:45,512 --> 01:20:49,683 they're designed in such a way that they need to be destroyed to be taken off. 1336 01:20:49,783 --> 01:20:53,987 [Catlin] In the lab, they have a device that cracks open the A sample. 1337 01:20:55,121 --> 01:20:56,956 It's the only way you can get it off. 1338 01:20:58,910 --> 01:21:02,962 [Pound] If an A sample tests positive, then the B gets analyzed. 1339 01:21:03,596 --> 01:21:05,465 The B has to confirm the A. 1340 01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,968 That's this enormous protection. 1341 01:21:10,503 --> 01:21:13,206 [Rodchenkov] From Nagornykh, in preparation to Sochi, 1342 01:21:13,306 --> 01:21:19,612 it was strict order to develop procedure how we can have new bottles, 1343 01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,481 new caps or open cap. 1344 01:21:22,549 --> 01:21:24,951 And this FSB officer, 1345 01:21:25,180 --> 01:21:30,457 he was responsible for the day when I gave closed Bereg-Kit, 1346 01:21:30,523 --> 01:21:33,293 and after half an hour, I receive it opened. 1347 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,394 And the... 1348 01:21:35,328 --> 01:21:38,398 cap and the bottle are the same. 1349 01:21:38,498 --> 01:21:40,133 And I can... [imitates pouring] 1350 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,636 a little bit rinse and then pour and close. 1351 01:21:43,703 --> 01:21:45,171 [imitates lid locking] 1352 01:21:45,238 --> 01:21:46,539 Like Bereg-Kit. 1353 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,175 It's unbelievable how they could do this. 1354 01:21:54,147 --> 01:21:57,217 This was named Operation Sochi Resultat. 1355 01:21:58,351 --> 01:22:01,921 In Russian, "resultat" means "to achieve positive results." 1356 01:22:03,556 --> 01:22:05,158 [Fogel] So, you need clean urines? 1357 01:22:05,225 --> 01:22:07,861 [Rodchenkov] I need clean urines for each candidate. 1358 01:22:07,927 --> 01:22:13,266 [Fogel] For every single Russian athlete under the state-sponsored doping, 1359 01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:18,838 you had clean samples of their urine being held? 1360 01:22:18,905 --> 01:22:20,240 Yes. 1361 01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:25,450 [Fogel] If an athlete needed to be swapped, you could swap 'em. 1362 01:22:25,111 --> 01:22:25,945 [Rodchenkov] Yes. 1363 01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:31,951 But in Sochi, because of the Olympics, I am under double control. 1364 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,522 Both from IOC, WADA and I don't know who. 1365 01:22:36,122 --> 01:22:40,126 Level of security is stunning. It's unbelievable. 1366 01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:44,970 [Rabin] There was a delegation of foreign scientists 1367 01:22:44,197 --> 01:22:45,932 who were embedded in the laboratory. 1368 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,902 So, if there were substitutions, manipulations, 1369 01:22:48,968 --> 01:22:51,638 these people would've been in the front line to observe this. 1370 01:22:53,540 --> 01:22:55,875 In Sochi, laboratory was like this. 1371 01:22:56,543 --> 01:22:57,911 It was our entrance, 1372 01:22:57,977 --> 01:23:01,147 but from this behind, where we have a fire exit, 1373 01:23:01,247 --> 01:23:04,451 there is another building. It was a KGB building. 1374 01:23:04,551 --> 01:23:07,120 And bank of clean urines were kept here. 1375 01:23:07,220 --> 01:23:09,989 [man] Coming into the final two heats of the four-man bobsleigh, 1376 01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:13,660 Pilot Alexander Zubkov and brakeman Alexey Voevoda... 1377 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,761 [crowd cheering] 1378 01:23:22,102 --> 01:23:23,503 Gold to Russia, 1379 01:23:23,603 --> 01:23:27,474 making their pilot the oldest man ever to win the four-man bobsleigh. 1380 01:23:28,808 --> 01:23:32,445 [Fogel] So how many FSB officers were working at Sochi? 1381 01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:34,781 Hundred. 1382 01:23:36,983 --> 01:23:39,252 Throughout the day, our KGB officer 1383 01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:42,856 brought the clean urines of all our athletes selected for testing 1384 01:23:42,956 --> 01:23:46,920 to our secret operational room in the laboratory. 1385 01:23:46,826 --> 01:23:50,597 Meanwhile, all the urines collected from the athletes during the day 1386 01:23:50,663 --> 01:23:54,701 were transported to the Olympic village and held until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. 1387 01:23:55,635 --> 01:23:57,370 Then I received a call. 1388 01:23:57,137 --> 01:24:00,340 "Grigory, I will be delivering the samples in 15 minutes." 1389 01:24:00,940 --> 01:24:03,777 Before samples arrived, it gave me time to make sure 1390 01:24:03,843 --> 01:24:08,515 that there were no WADA or IOC observers left snooping around the laboratory. 1391 01:24:10,817 --> 01:24:12,719 Once samples were checked in, 1392 01:24:12,819 --> 01:24:15,689 the operation entered the most dangerous phase. 1393 01:24:16,556 --> 01:24:20,527 When the A and B bottles were split on to two different carts, 1394 01:24:20,627 --> 01:24:23,663 my assistant wheeled the B bottles into a storage room 1395 01:24:23,730 --> 01:24:27,567 and slipped the Russian athletes' B bottles into his lab coat. 1396 01:24:28,401 --> 01:24:32,339 This is highly illegal, but we need to replace these dirty urines. 1397 01:24:33,139 --> 01:24:35,342 Then he wheeled the cart with the A bottles 1398 01:24:35,408 --> 01:24:38,440 into the aliquoting room, as per procedure. 1399 01:24:39,450 --> 01:24:40,714 [Fogel] 'Cause it's supposed to be opened. 1400 01:24:40,814 --> 01:24:42,982 [Rodchenkov] For all A samples, yes. 1401 01:24:45,819 --> 01:24:49,389 To escape all the video recording, aliquoting room was like this. 1402 01:24:49,489 --> 01:24:54,327 And our room, we had the hole in it. 1403 01:24:54,394 --> 01:24:57,197 So we take this little bit... 1404 01:24:57,263 --> 01:24:59,899 -How you say this thing? It's-- -Uh... 1405 01:24:59,999 --> 01:25:01,835 Like this, if you have something... 1406 01:25:02,335 --> 01:25:05,438 You take this table out, and there is a... like a... 1407 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:11,770 like a power outlet blocked without any, uh... socket. 1408 01:25:11,177 --> 01:25:13,380 -Okay, right, right. -But then you take it out. 1409 01:25:13,446 --> 01:25:16,549 So it looks like it's a power outlet without a socket, but it's not. 1410 01:25:16,616 --> 01:25:18,451 -It's not. It's a hole. -It's a hole. 1411 01:25:19,919 --> 01:25:22,956 [Rodchenkov] You're taking both samples through this hole, 1412 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,358 and A samples, we immediately... 1413 01:25:25,925 --> 01:25:27,460 pour away and clean. 1414 01:25:28,228 --> 01:25:29,362 [Fogel] But the B sample... 1415 01:25:29,963 --> 01:25:32,565 [Rodchenkov] B samples are taken by KGB and... whew! 1416 01:25:33,933 --> 01:25:37,771 In the darkness, people coming from the trash/fire exit. 1417 01:25:37,871 --> 01:25:39,639 [imitating footsteps] 1418 01:25:39,739 --> 01:25:45,945 Then, after two hours, they came back with B bottles opened to swap. 1419 01:25:46,713 --> 01:25:49,783 Because, of course, you have in advance clean urine. 1420 01:25:50,884 --> 01:25:54,721 So, B samples are finished with the urine swapping. 1421 01:25:54,788 --> 01:25:57,570 Taken by KGB and-- 1422 01:25:57,123 --> 01:26:01,628 [Fogel] Because the B samples are taken by the IOC and held in long-term storage. 1423 01:26:01,728 --> 01:26:02,729 [Rodchenkov] Yes. 1424 01:26:04,230 --> 01:26:09,690 [Fogel] If WADA or the IOC retest those samples, would they be clean? 1425 01:26:09,636 --> 01:26:12,839 [Rodchenkov] Reanalysis will return negative. 1426 01:26:13,673 --> 01:26:16,476 Because, you know, we are top-level cheaters. 1427 01:26:16,576 --> 01:26:17,610 [chuckles] 1428 01:26:17,677 --> 01:26:21,140 To over-cheat us, you should be much such experienced. 1429 01:26:21,114 --> 01:26:23,249 But how it comes, such experience? 1430 01:26:23,316 --> 01:26:24,951 [chuckles] 1431 01:26:31,157 --> 01:26:33,930 [Fogel] If there were evidence brought forward 1432 01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:35,280 that showed that a country or WADA lab 1433 01:26:35,128 --> 01:26:38,765 had found a way to break into the collection bottles, 1434 01:26:38,832 --> 01:26:42,969 what do you think that would say about the entire testing system? 1435 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,540 What it would say is that corruption has gone to the depths of... 1436 01:26:49,509 --> 01:26:53,460 that part of the process, which would be most disturbing. 1437 01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:55,148 It would be, uh... 1438 01:26:56,483 --> 01:27:03,323 obviously a very serious, serious act of manipulation from that lab. 1439 01:27:04,190 --> 01:27:06,526 It would be done. It wouldn't work. 1440 01:27:06,626 --> 01:27:12,132 If that can be done successfully, then the testing system is over. 1441 01:27:12,665 --> 01:27:17,700 [Fogel] Does WADA have the ability to catch drug cheats today? 1442 01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:20,340 No. 1443 01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:26,713 [choir singing Russian national anthem] 1444 01:27:32,519 --> 01:27:35,550 [Rodchenkov] Because of this whole steroid program, 1445 01:27:35,155 --> 01:27:37,223 I pulled off 13 gold medals. 1446 01:27:37,323 --> 01:27:38,425 It's unbelievable. 1447 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:41,928 Never before. [chuckles] 1448 01:27:43,596 --> 01:27:48,168 Everything was made clean, and Putin was very much happy. 1449 01:27:48,234 --> 01:27:50,770 [anthem continuing] 1450 01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:07,120 [woman] Russia came out on top of the medals board, 1451 01:28:07,220 --> 01:28:12,359 winning 33 overall, including an Olympic high of 13 gold. 1452 01:28:24,971 --> 01:28:26,740 [crowd cheering] 1453 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,952 [Rodchenkov] But immediately after, he started war against Ukraine. 1454 01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:45,125 [man] Before the Olympics, 1455 01:28:45,225 --> 01:28:49,396 his popularity rating in Russia had been falling steadily for years. 1456 01:28:49,462 --> 01:28:52,980 But when the games began, this. 1457 01:28:56,236 --> 01:28:59,739 [Rodchenkov] I felt my personal guilt for such event. 1458 01:28:59,806 --> 01:29:05,278 Would Russia had less medals, Putin would be not such aggressive. 1459 01:29:12,352 --> 01:29:15,422 [man] What you're about to hear is not lifted from a Tom Clancy novel, 1460 01:29:15,488 --> 01:29:18,692 nor is it borrowed from the elegant prose of John le Carré 1461 01:29:18,792 --> 01:29:21,361 or adapted from Robert Ludlum's work. 1462 01:29:21,461 --> 01:29:23,129 But if the protagonist is to be believed, 1463 01:29:23,196 --> 01:29:25,865 this drama is the ultimate handiwork of Vladimir Putin 1464 01:29:25,965 --> 01:29:29,269 and the intelligence successors to the KGB. 1465 01:29:29,335 --> 01:29:32,706 LA may be a lot safer than Mother Russia, given the recent... 1466 01:29:32,806 --> 01:29:34,341 -Bryan! -[Fogel] Yeah? 1467 01:29:34,841 --> 01:29:38,511 Article is incredible. It's so very good. 1468 01:29:39,112 --> 01:29:41,470 I am shocked. I'm reading twice. 1469 01:29:41,147 --> 01:29:43,983 You know, Russia even cannot breathe. 1470 01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:46,319 They still even don't respond. 1471 01:29:46,386 --> 01:29:49,489 -Of course, there it is, midnight, but-- -[Fogel] Let me stop you. 1472 01:29:50,230 --> 01:29:53,260 -I just spoke to our lawyer. -What happened? 1473 01:29:53,126 --> 01:29:56,463 [Fogel] They're not returning any of his calls. 1474 01:29:57,697 --> 01:29:58,698 I am arrested? 1475 01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:03,370 [Fogel] We don't know yet. We're in a holding pattern. 1476 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,210 I am sitting locked in my home. I'm a little bit afraid. 1477 01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:12,545 [Fogel] Let me get this done, and I'll come by, okay? 1478 01:30:12,645 --> 01:30:13,713 Putin will kill me. 1479 01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:17,550 -[man 1] Rodchenkov... - [man 2] ...allegations... 1480 01:30:17,650 --> 01:30:20,353 [woman] Dozens of Sochi medal winners were part of a secret... 1481 01:30:20,420 --> 01:30:21,821 [Rodchenkov] Nine, one, seven. 1482 01:30:22,589 --> 01:30:25,392 [overlapping chatter in Russian] 1483 01:30:25,492 --> 01:30:27,861 [exhales sharply] Okay. 1484 01:30:28,495 --> 01:30:31,898 [man] He has since fled Russia because he said he feared for his life. 1485 01:30:31,998 --> 01:30:35,335 [woman] Russia's sports minister has dismissed the claims as nonsense, 1486 01:30:35,402 --> 01:30:38,872 adding they were a continuation of the attack on Russian sport, 1487 01:30:38,938 --> 01:30:41,875 which was backed up by the deputy sports minister. 1488 01:30:41,941 --> 01:30:45,512 [in Russian] So that this is clear for everyone... 1489 01:30:45,578 --> 01:30:49,820 there has never been and there is not any doping program. 1490 01:30:49,182 --> 01:30:52,919 [woman] Vladimir Putin calls the claims "the slander of a turncoat." 1491 01:30:55,210 --> 01:30:57,457 [Fogel] We're meeting with a white-collar attorney 1492 01:30:57,557 --> 01:31:00,260 who has handled a lot of criminal cases. 1493 01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,950 [man on phone] What happened with his other lawyer? 1494 01:31:02,195 --> 01:31:05,398 [Fogel] His other lawyer, they have a Moscow office. 1495 01:31:05,465 --> 01:31:12,372 It appears that the firm got cold feet due to a conflict of interest, they said. 1496 01:31:13,139 --> 01:31:15,909 [man] Thomas Bach, who heads the IOC, said, 1497 01:31:15,975 --> 01:31:17,310 "If this is true, 1498 01:31:17,410 --> 01:31:20,914 it is an unimaginable level of criminality." 1499 01:31:21,810 --> 01:31:24,551 [woman] The IOC calling the report "very worrying." 1500 01:31:24,617 --> 01:31:26,553 [man] "We ask the World Anti-Doping Agency 1501 01:31:26,619 --> 01:31:28,788 to investigate immediately." 1502 01:31:29,823 --> 01:31:32,920 [man 2] The Justice Department is opening an investigation 1503 01:31:32,158 --> 01:31:34,761 into Russian government officials, athletes, coaches 1504 01:31:34,828 --> 01:31:36,563 and anti-doping authorities. 1505 01:31:44,304 --> 01:31:46,473 [Fogel] This letter was sent by WADA. 1506 01:31:46,573 --> 01:31:50,443 "Dear Grigory, in light of your recent declarations to The New York Times, 1507 01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:52,445 we would like to meet to better understand 1508 01:31:52,512 --> 01:31:55,348 the basis of your allegations and your proposed way forward. 1509 01:31:55,448 --> 01:31:58,985 Sincerely, David Howman and Olivier Niggli." 1510 01:31:59,753 --> 01:32:03,189 I'm talking tomorrow to another lawyer. 1511 01:32:04,591 --> 01:32:05,592 So... 1512 01:32:06,793 --> 01:32:10,296 He seems credible, but of course, it's his word against Russia. 1513 01:32:10,363 --> 01:32:12,198 [man in Russian] There were older questions 1514 01:32:12,298 --> 01:32:14,267 regarding Rodchenkov's mental health in all this, 1515 01:32:14,334 --> 01:32:16,302 as four years ago, after a failed suicide attempt, 1516 01:32:16,369 --> 01:32:19,205 he was placed into a mental institution, 1517 01:32:19,305 --> 01:32:24,177 the diagnosis described as the first stages of schizophrenia. 1518 01:32:25,211 --> 01:32:28,815 [Rodchenkov] What to do with my wife and children? What they will know? 1519 01:32:28,882 --> 01:32:31,718 Or I just disappear for them? They'll go crazy. 1520 01:32:32,352 --> 01:32:36,623 [Howman] Bryan, this is David and Olivier. We want this meeting to go ahead. 1521 01:32:36,690 --> 01:32:38,491 Can you call us back? 1522 01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:42,529 I'm not ready to answer. 1523 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,970 We need something lucky, like it's Alice in Wonderland, 1524 01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:53,640 to rabbit's hole, to sit here. 1525 01:32:53,707 --> 01:32:56,376 -[Fogel] I know. -[Rodchenkov] To wait until it ends. 1526 01:32:56,476 --> 01:32:59,145 [Fogel] I know. That's why I wanna... [chuckles] 1527 01:32:59,212 --> 01:33:02,215 We're trying to get this... To make it right. 1528 01:33:02,315 --> 01:33:04,250 [Rodchenkov] But lawyer is trustful? 1529 01:33:04,351 --> 01:33:06,686 -[Fogel] He is a big one. -[Rodchenkov] He's a big one. 1530 01:33:06,753 --> 01:33:08,988 -[Fogel] Yeah, top of the top of the top. -[Rodchenkov] Yes. 1531 01:33:09,550 --> 01:33:11,858 [man in Russian] We are digging deeper into his identity. 1532 01:33:12,926 --> 01:33:16,960 We've obtained some of his exclusive documents. 1533 01:33:19,599 --> 01:33:21,340 [woman in Russian] Grigory Rodchenkov 1534 01:33:21,101 --> 01:33:23,690 and American movie director Bryan Fogel, 1535 01:33:23,169 --> 01:33:27,507 they talked many times via e-mail and wrote... 1536 01:33:28,375 --> 01:33:32,780 [man in Russian] The FBI are following him closely, 1537 01:33:32,178 --> 01:33:36,282 Grigory Rodchenkov himself mentioned to his sister in a recent Skype call. 1538 01:33:36,383 --> 01:33:39,119 [Marina in Russian] Grish, just sit tight. Don't be too impulsive. 1539 01:33:39,219 --> 01:33:42,355 [Rodchenkov] No, of course I will not do anything... 1540 01:33:42,422 --> 01:33:44,190 [Marina] Of course. Absolutely. 1541 01:33:44,257 --> 01:33:47,227 [Rodchenkov] ...without the protection of the FBI. 1542 01:33:49,763 --> 01:33:51,131 [speaking Russian] 1543 01:33:51,231 --> 01:33:53,199 [man speaking Russian] 1544 01:33:53,266 --> 01:33:56,469 [in Russian] I refuse to make any comments on this. I'm very sorry. 1545 01:33:56,569 --> 01:34:00,974 I'm sure you have very intelligent people who can explain all this. 1546 01:34:04,277 --> 01:34:07,280 [Rodchenkov in Russian] Honey, I already spoke to the children. They're fine. 1547 01:34:07,380 --> 01:34:10,984 [Veronika] Grisha, now it's another problem. 1548 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:12,652 I'm worried about you. 1549 01:34:13,553 --> 01:34:15,488 [Rodchenkov] I'll take care of this. Just hold on. 1550 01:34:15,588 --> 01:34:18,425 [Veronika] This is what I'm worried about. 1551 01:34:18,491 --> 01:34:22,128 They're turning us into the monster now. 1552 01:34:23,763 --> 01:34:25,432 Or trying to. 1553 01:34:25,498 --> 01:34:27,634 [Radchenkov] It's okay. We'll get through this. 1554 01:34:31,905 --> 01:34:34,274 [Veronika] What do you want to come of all this? 1555 01:34:41,281 --> 01:34:43,450 [Rodchenkov in English] "To the future or to the past, 1556 01:34:46,252 --> 01:34:49,155 to a time when thought is free... 1557 01:34:52,125 --> 01:34:55,995 when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone." 1558 01:34:59,366 --> 01:35:02,669 [Jim Walden] What everyone is interested in is the evidence he has, 1559 01:35:02,769 --> 01:35:05,705 both in terms of the documents on his computer 1560 01:35:05,805 --> 01:35:09,420 and the cell phone that he was using at the time. 1561 01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:12,812 Two people connected with the Russian doping program are dead 1562 01:35:12,879 --> 01:35:16,316 under circumstances that seem highly suspect. 1563 01:35:16,383 --> 01:35:18,885 One of the first things that I learned from authorities 1564 01:35:18,985 --> 01:35:20,720 when I came onto the case 1565 01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:24,991 was that the Russian government has the resources and the will. 1566 01:35:25,580 --> 01:35:28,395 So we've had to develop a very multi-stage protocol 1567 01:35:28,495 --> 01:35:32,232 to minimize the chances our conversations will be intercepted. 1568 01:35:33,166 --> 01:35:35,668 The main concern is that they would be able, 1569 01:35:35,735 --> 01:35:39,139 through those communications, to try to triangulate his location, 1570 01:35:39,205 --> 01:35:44,477 and if they have agents in the United States, then to do him harm. 1571 01:35:48,381 --> 01:35:50,160 [man] We're 84 days away 1572 01:35:50,830 --> 01:35:52,819 till the Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. 1573 01:35:53,386 --> 01:35:56,890 [woman] Until now, there's only been hard evidence about athletics, 1574 01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:59,993 but this is pointing the finger at a whole range of sports. 1575 01:36:04,698 --> 01:36:08,234 [Fogel] As you know, there's a Department of Justice investigation going. 1576 01:36:08,334 --> 01:36:11,104 Grigory's been advised by his lawyer 1577 01:36:11,204 --> 01:36:14,407 he should not be here for security reasons. 1578 01:36:16,109 --> 01:36:18,912 I worked with Grigory over about six months 1579 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:23,450 to compile a record of what happened in Russia. 1580 01:36:24,551 --> 01:36:27,220 This is the spreadsheet of every single athlete 1581 01:36:27,287 --> 01:36:30,223 that was on the state-mandated protocol. 1582 01:36:31,124 --> 01:36:33,927 What every single athlete was taking in London, 1583 01:36:34,270 --> 01:36:36,429 including their sample numbers and collection. 1584 01:36:36,963 --> 01:36:40,266 When Christiane goes back and tests these samples correctly, 1585 01:36:40,367 --> 01:36:42,736 she will basically find them all positive. 1586 01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:47,741 And we have all their protocols before the London Games. 1587 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,246 We have the same for Beijing. 1588 01:36:53,913 --> 01:36:57,884 And this outlines how Russia was collecting 1589 01:36:57,951 --> 01:37:01,621 thousands and thousands of clean samples for swapping. 1590 01:37:01,721 --> 01:37:04,224 No, no, this we saw, but we want to ask question 1591 01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:06,993 as well as how it was done, understanding-- 1592 01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:12,499 So, sodium chloride is added to the sample to increase specific gravity. 1593 01:37:12,599 --> 01:37:14,734 Many of these samples are gonna have 1594 01:37:14,801 --> 01:37:19,606 a hundred times the sodium content that should be in somebody's urine. 1595 01:37:19,673 --> 01:37:21,341 Let me make sure I understand. 1596 01:37:21,441 --> 01:37:25,345 They were taking the B to be opened secretly? 1597 01:37:25,445 --> 01:37:26,513 Yes. 1598 01:37:26,613 --> 01:37:29,416 You said it was removed after the Paralympic Games. 1599 01:37:29,482 --> 01:37:32,352 Does it mean that it happened also for the Paralympic Games? 1600 01:37:32,452 --> 01:37:33,453 Yes, yes. 1601 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,791 Both the Olympic and the Paralympic Games, they swapped urine. 1602 01:37:38,792 --> 01:37:42,962 Vancouver was really the impetus for the urine swapping operation. 1603 01:37:43,290 --> 01:37:44,831 They only won a handful of medals, 1604 01:37:44,931 --> 01:37:48,268 and to see to it that that didn't happen again at Sochi. 1605 01:37:48,802 --> 01:37:50,804 We'll find that out when-- 1606 01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:52,372 In terms of time-sensitive, 1607 01:37:52,472 --> 01:37:54,441 London is more sensitive, in the sense that 1608 01:37:54,507 --> 01:37:56,476 these athletes are going to the next Rio Games, 1609 01:37:56,543 --> 01:37:57,544 not the winter ones. 1610 01:37:57,644 --> 01:38:00,447 [Fogel] This is Sochi. This is London. This is Beijing. 1611 01:38:00,513 --> 01:38:02,982 This goes all the way back to 1968. 1612 01:38:03,490 --> 01:38:07,200 There never was anti-doping in Russia. Period. Ever. 1613 01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,555 Across all summer sports? 1614 01:38:08,655 --> 01:38:10,230 Every sport. 1615 01:38:10,523 --> 01:38:11,524 [Christiane Ayotte] He's sorry? 1616 01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,994 -Who's that? -[Ayotte] Grigory. 1617 01:38:15,610 --> 01:38:16,629 [man] I don't want to get into that. 1618 01:38:16,696 --> 01:38:20,467 Do you think, as a scientist, I am happy to have been in Sochi? 1619 01:38:20,533 --> 01:38:24,700 And to everything... We gave credibility to the lab. 1620 01:38:24,170 --> 01:38:26,539 Do you think that I feel good today? 1621 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:29,809 Do you think that the athletes who were cheated feel good? 1622 01:38:29,876 --> 01:38:33,880 [Fogel] As angry as you guys might be, I think the one thing... 1623 01:38:35,882 --> 01:38:40,220 Grigory risked his life, and is risking his life, to do this. 1624 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,757 He left his wife behind, he left his children behind, 1625 01:38:43,857 --> 01:38:47,560 he left all of his belongings behind, all of his financial security behind. 1626 01:38:48,495 --> 01:38:51,310 We're here to get everything out. 1627 01:38:51,598 --> 01:38:52,532 Okay. 1628 01:38:54,670 --> 01:38:56,403 [Fogel] "Dear Mr. Fogel and Dr. Rodchenkov, 1629 01:38:56,503 --> 01:38:58,338 the IOC has full confidence 1630 01:38:58,405 --> 01:39:00,840 in the authority of Professor Richard McLaren 1631 01:39:00,907 --> 01:39:04,210 and respects his judgment to ensure a comprehensive inquiry. 1632 01:39:04,277 --> 01:39:07,113 We will act swiftly to take the necessary measures. 1633 01:39:07,213 --> 01:39:10,684 Sincerely yours, Thomas Bach. President." 1634 01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:14,554 [automated voice] Transferring you to Richard McLaren. 1635 01:39:16,189 --> 01:39:18,925 [McLaren] You speak of them as being orders. Are they actually orders? 1636 01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:21,861 Nagornykh is ordering Grigory? Or ordering the lab? 1637 01:39:21,928 --> 01:39:23,630 Does it matter? 1638 01:39:23,129 --> 01:39:26,800 Yes, Nagornykh is ordering Grigory. 1639 01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:31,538 There's e-mails, like, explicitly about soccer players. 1640 01:39:31,604 --> 01:39:38,278 There's e-mails explicitly of, you know, of weightlifters. 1641 01:39:39,713 --> 01:39:41,748 And that essentially were... 1642 01:39:41,815 --> 01:39:45,885 Of rowers, of swimmers... 1643 01:39:46,586 --> 01:39:48,755 where Grigory had found the positive. 1644 01:39:48,822 --> 01:39:51,991 [McLaren] Then if they are concerned about it, 1645 01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,629 they find the right profile in the bank, and pick that one out of the bank, 1646 01:39:56,730 --> 01:40:00,433 and they run the analysis on that one? 1647 01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:01,634 You got it. 1648 01:40:01,735 --> 01:40:02,736 [McLaren] I see. 1649 01:40:03,336 --> 01:40:05,805 If this all can be proved, it's quite mind-blowing. 1650 01:40:06,406 --> 01:40:08,942 -The sooner I have it, the better. -Okay. 1651 01:40:09,476 --> 01:40:12,145 [McLaren] It's important to a lot of people around the world. 1652 01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:15,148 -[Rodchenkov] We do it now? -[Fogel] Yes. 1653 01:40:28,695 --> 01:40:32,432 ...Russian athletes could not credibly return to international competition 1654 01:40:32,499 --> 01:40:38,538 without undermining the confidence of their competitors and the public. 1655 01:40:39,606 --> 01:40:42,809 [man] They are the pride and joy of Russian sport. 1656 01:40:42,876 --> 01:40:46,880 But track and field stars, like pole-vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva, 1657 01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:50,183 won't be going for gold at next month's Rio Olympics, 1658 01:40:50,283 --> 01:40:53,186 despite having friends in high places. 1659 01:40:55,288 --> 01:40:57,323 [Yelena Isinbayeva speaking Russian] 1660 01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,994 This is truly important to us, because... 1661 01:41:02,395 --> 01:41:03,496 [sniffles] 1662 01:41:06,499 --> 01:41:08,100 [audience applauding] 1663 01:41:13,973 --> 01:41:17,844 Today, our track and field team finds itself in a dire situation. 1664 01:41:17,911 --> 01:41:20,380 We have been banned from the Olympics 1665 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,316 very aggressively, without any evidence or proof. 1666 01:41:28,210 --> 01:41:31,191 [man in Russian] Rodchenkov, director of the Moscow WADA lab, 1667 01:41:31,257 --> 01:41:33,526 was forced to resign from his position 1668 01:41:33,593 --> 01:41:38,231 even though, when you think about it, he was a brilliant doctor. 1669 01:41:38,732 --> 01:41:43,169 So he's fired, and then somehow ends up in the United States, 1670 01:41:43,236 --> 01:41:46,206 where he subsequently took his story to The New York Times. 1671 01:41:46,272 --> 01:41:49,576 Not exactly the smallest paper on Earth. 1672 01:41:49,676 --> 01:41:51,678 He gets there, he turns over all this information. 1673 01:41:52,245 --> 01:41:55,248 Finally, he stated that the entire doping program 1674 01:41:55,348 --> 01:41:57,517 was in fact part of a state-run system. 1675 01:41:57,584 --> 01:42:00,787 Whatever he claims, 1676 01:42:01,554 --> 01:42:04,224 he is confusing himself with the government. 1677 01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:09,262 You see, all of his claims against the government, he did himself. 1678 01:42:09,362 --> 01:42:11,310 It was a solo act. 1679 01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:14,367 So the swapping, the destruction of samples, 1680 01:42:14,434 --> 01:42:16,736 this was all just a farce? 1681 01:42:16,803 --> 01:42:19,639 Again, I just don't see how this is possible. How could it be? 1682 01:42:19,739 --> 01:42:21,410 Please let me repeat, 1683 01:42:21,107 --> 01:42:24,444 these allegations are not facts, just rumors and speculations. 1684 01:42:27,414 --> 01:42:29,449 [woman in English] Welcome to the McLaren Independent Commission 1685 01:42:29,549 --> 01:42:31,217 news conference here in Toronto. 1686 01:42:32,252 --> 01:42:36,489 In May, Professor McLaren was mandated by the World Anti-Doping Agency 1687 01:42:36,589 --> 01:42:38,625 with respect to the allegations made 1688 01:42:38,725 --> 01:42:42,228 by the former director of the WADA-accredited Moscow laboratory, 1689 01:42:42,295 --> 01:42:44,464 Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov. 1690 01:42:46,990 --> 01:42:50,570 The investigation has established the findings set out in the report 1691 01:42:50,637 --> 01:42:52,505 beyond a reasonable doubt. 1692 01:42:53,106 --> 01:42:54,808 Our experts were to determine 1693 01:42:54,908 --> 01:42:58,978 if samples had scratches and marks on the inside of the bottle caps, 1694 01:42:59,790 --> 01:43:02,182 representative of a tool used to open the cap. 1695 01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:06,519 Of the set of samples suspected of being swapped... 1696 01:43:08,121 --> 01:43:09,656 we were able to confirm... 1697 01:43:11,324 --> 01:43:14,194 100% had evidence of tampering. 1698 01:43:16,329 --> 01:43:18,698 We've conducted cyber and forensic analysis, 1699 01:43:18,798 --> 01:43:20,767 secured data from hard drives, 1700 01:43:20,834 --> 01:43:24,300 and reviewed thousands of pages of documents. 1701 01:43:24,838 --> 01:43:29,976 The Moscow laboratory operated for the protection of doped Russian athletes 1702 01:43:30,610 --> 01:43:34,848 within a state-directed, fail-safe system. 1703 01:43:36,983 --> 01:43:41,354 Ministry of Sport, Deputy Minister of Sport Yuri Nagornykh, 1704 01:43:41,454 --> 01:43:44,891 RUSADA, that's the anti-doping agency in Russia, 1705 01:43:44,991 --> 01:43:48,461 and the former director of the Moscow testing laboratory 1706 01:43:48,528 --> 01:43:50,997 were all involved in this operation 1707 01:43:51,564 --> 01:43:54,367 with the active participation and assistance 1708 01:43:54,467 --> 01:43:58,405 of the Russian Federal Security Service, formerly known as the KGB. 1709 01:43:59,305 --> 01:44:02,809 The FSB, who had access to the Sochi lab 1710 01:44:02,876 --> 01:44:05,145 under the guise of the building maintenance contractor, 1711 01:44:05,211 --> 01:44:07,414 can be identified in the evidence we have. 1712 01:44:07,914 --> 01:44:09,482 Alex Mihailovich, RT. 1713 01:44:09,549 --> 01:44:14,254 Rodchenkov himself is a person who's under investigation in Russia currently. 1714 01:44:14,354 --> 01:44:15,889 He took off from Russia. 1715 01:44:15,989 --> 01:44:18,992 He seems to be a character that you really can't rely on, 1716 01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:21,861 and a lot of this relies on Rodchenkov. 1717 01:44:21,928 --> 01:44:24,230 Does this compromise your work? 1718 01:44:24,330 --> 01:44:27,000 He is a person in this investigation, 1719 01:44:27,670 --> 01:44:29,569 but not the only person in this investigation. 1720 01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:34,874 I can say without a doubt, Dr. Rodchenkov is telling the truth 1721 01:44:34,941 --> 01:44:37,377 and was a truthful witness. 1722 01:44:37,444 --> 01:44:39,612 I was able to corroborate that 1723 01:44:39,713 --> 01:44:42,716 because of all the scientific and forensic information. 1724 01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:49,689 My team can demonstrate the existence of this system beyond a reasonable doubt. 1725 01:45:03,636 --> 01:45:06,373 [Reedie] It was clear from Richard McLaren's report 1726 01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:08,975 that was contained in our independent commission, 1727 01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:11,578 it's proven that offenses were committed. 1728 01:45:11,644 --> 01:45:15,982 So, I don't think anybody can accuse us of sitting back and doing nothing. 1729 01:45:21,154 --> 01:45:23,490 [man] President Putin condemned the findings, 1730 01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:26,393 saying the world is seeing a dangerous recurrence 1731 01:45:26,459 --> 01:45:28,940 of politics interfering in sport. 1732 01:45:28,795 --> 01:45:30,163 [man] Russia's government says 1733 01:45:30,263 --> 01:45:34,768 any decision which collectively punishes its competitors is unacceptable. 1734 01:45:34,834 --> 01:45:36,503 Richard Conway, BBC News. 1735 01:45:48,415 --> 01:45:49,683 [sighs] 1736 01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,330 I'm gonna be rolling your hands like that. 1737 01:46:04,431 --> 01:46:06,766 Let me do all of the work. It makes it easier for everybody. 1738 01:46:08,835 --> 01:46:10,870 [Rodchenkov in Russian] What were you all doing today? 1739 01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:12,472 [Veronika] We were worrying all day. 1740 01:46:12,539 --> 01:46:15,475 But today, I was paying for everything, bills, etc. 1741 01:46:15,542 --> 01:46:17,677 [Rodchenkov] Nika, we will get through this. 1742 01:46:17,777 --> 01:46:19,212 Oh, you have new glasses! 1743 01:46:19,979 --> 01:46:21,181 [Veronika] Not that new. 1744 01:46:22,682 --> 01:46:24,884 I have some sad news to tell you. 1745 01:46:25,518 --> 01:46:26,353 Yes? 1746 01:46:28,355 --> 01:46:30,790 I am going into the witness protection program. 1747 01:46:30,857 --> 01:46:32,158 -You are? -Mm-hmm. 1748 01:46:34,361 --> 01:46:35,695 Why? 1749 01:46:35,795 --> 01:46:39,566 Because the current situation is unclear. 1750 01:46:41,901 --> 01:46:43,703 -So, this is serious? -Yes. 1751 01:46:44,471 --> 01:46:45,705 For a while? 1752 01:46:51,378 --> 01:46:53,480 I was thinking of you yesterday. 1753 01:46:53,546 --> 01:46:55,150 Well, visa is just one thing, but-- 1754 01:46:55,810 --> 01:46:58,510 You are my bride and keeper of the family and the dogs. 1755 01:46:58,151 --> 01:47:02,889 Grigory, I was worrying all day, and on top of that, trying to reach you. 1756 01:47:02,989 --> 01:47:03,990 Don't tell anyone anything. 1757 01:47:04,657 --> 01:47:07,861 Who would I even tell? I don't see much of anyone these days. 1758 01:47:07,927 --> 01:47:13,366 Maybe they'll pay off some officials to sit in prison for some time? 1759 01:47:13,433 --> 01:47:16,690 As a formality. 1760 01:47:16,169 --> 01:47:17,937 I have to get going. 1761 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:20,740 -Veronika? -Yes? 1762 01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:27,347 You wrote down the lawyer's contact information and have everything? 1763 01:47:28,348 --> 01:47:29,849 You know what I'm talking about? 1764 01:47:33,620 --> 01:47:36,956 Of course I understand. It's just... This is all so sad. 1765 01:47:50,403 --> 01:47:53,540 [man in English] Whatever packing you need to do and getting dressed... 1766 01:47:53,606 --> 01:47:54,974 [Rodchenkov] Okay. Okay. 1767 01:48:05,652 --> 01:48:07,870 [speaking indistinctly] 1768 01:48:12,225 --> 01:48:14,928 [Fogel] So, do we know what, uh, you're gonna be able to... 1769 01:48:14,994 --> 01:48:18,898 [Rodchenkov] I still don't know how it will be organized. 1770 01:48:18,965 --> 01:48:22,669 "Protection" means protection that you don't know how it's organized. 1771 01:48:24,504 --> 01:48:26,806 [Fogel] What do you foresee at this point? 1772 01:48:28,675 --> 01:48:30,510 I will start writing book. [chuckles] 1773 01:48:31,745 --> 01:48:33,613 Oh, we are on the first floor. 1774 01:48:34,481 --> 01:48:35,648 Where is the exit? 1775 01:48:42,422 --> 01:48:45,358 I wonder when I'm going to see you again. 1776 01:48:46,693 --> 01:48:48,862 Don't worry. I'll be back. [laughs] 1777 01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:57,670 [laughing] Bryan, you are medium-sized monster! 1778 01:48:57,771 --> 01:48:59,390 Remember me. 1779 01:48:59,139 --> 01:49:00,173 [inaudible] 1780 01:49:19,590 --> 01:49:23,797 We have decided today that Russian athletes can compete in Rio. 1781 01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:30,700 [Thomas Bach] The International Sports Federations 1782 01:49:30,170 --> 01:49:34,841 will carry out individual analysis, taking into account... 1783 01:49:41,810 --> 01:49:44,184 [woman] Anti-doping officials are fuming. 1784 01:49:44,250 --> 01:49:47,821 The IOC going against the World Anti-Doping Agency recommendations... 1785 01:49:47,887 --> 01:49:50,223 -[starter gun sounds] -[crowd cheering] 1786 01:49:54,561 --> 01:49:57,530 [man] ...Olympic champion. Vlasov had won gold again. 1787 01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:24,570 [Rodchenkov] "Winston sank his arms to his sides 1788 01:50:24,124 --> 01:50:26,960 and slowly refilled his lungs with air. 1789 01:50:33,660 --> 01:50:37,700 His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. 1790 01:50:38,938 --> 01:50:41,307 To know and not to know, 1791 01:50:41,408 --> 01:50:46,980 to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies." 1792 01:50:47,781 --> 01:50:48,748 [announcer] Thomas Bach. 1793 01:50:48,815 --> 01:50:52,118 [Rodchenkov] "To repudiate morality while laying claim to it. 1794 01:50:58,458 --> 01:51:01,895 To forget whatever it was necessary to forget..." 1795 01:51:03,496 --> 01:51:06,833 [Bach] Join and support our fight for fair play. 1796 01:51:06,933 --> 01:51:11,771 Respect the rules, play fair, be clean. 1797 01:51:12,972 --> 01:51:15,275 [Rodchenkov] "...then to draw it back into memory again 1798 01:51:15,342 --> 01:51:17,610 at the moment when it was needed..." 1799 01:51:17,677 --> 01:51:20,613 [Bach] This decision is about justice. 1800 01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:24,184 Justice has to be independent from politics. 1801 01:51:25,919 --> 01:51:27,520 Hurrah! 1802 01:51:27,620 --> 01:51:30,423 [crowd] Hurrah! 1803 01:51:30,490 --> 01:51:33,260 [Rodchenkov] "...and then promptly to forget it again." 1804 01:51:38,598 --> 01:51:41,368 [man] Fails a drug test, is stripped of the gold medal... 1805 01:51:41,468 --> 01:51:45,638 [Rodchenkov] "...and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself." 1806 01:51:45,705 --> 01:51:47,540 [man] Trying to make sure your testimony's clear. 1807 01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:51,945 How many times do I have to say it? I've never taken drugs. How clear is that? 1808 01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,381 [man] Okay. I think it's clear. 1809 01:51:54,481 --> 01:51:56,983 [Rodchenkov] "And if all others accepted the lie, 1810 01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,200 then the lie passed into history and became truth." 1811 01:52:01,321 --> 01:52:03,523 [in Russian] We've never had a doping program in Russia. 1812 01:52:03,623 --> 01:52:08,161 This is just impossible, unthinkable. We would never do something like that. 1813 01:52:08,228 --> 01:52:11,731 I don't even recall the name of that citizen who defected, 1814 01:52:11,831 --> 01:52:16,169 the one who ran the Russian anti-doping lab. 1815 01:52:16,236 --> 01:52:18,872 [Rodchenkov in English] "Even to understand the word 'doublethink' 1816 01:52:18,972 --> 01:52:21,508 involves the use of doublethink." 1817 01:52:21,574 --> 01:52:24,644 [McLaren] We are now able to put the findings of the first report 1818 01:52:24,711 --> 01:52:26,813 into sharper and clearer focus. 1819 01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:32,152 I can confirm, for years, that spectators have been deceived. 1820 01:52:33,860 --> 01:52:34,654 The desire to win medals 1821 01:52:34,721 --> 01:52:39,159 superseded their collective moral and ethical compass, and Olympic values... 1822 01:52:39,225 --> 01:52:41,561 [Rodchenkov] I was doing in parallel two things 1823 01:52:41,661 --> 01:52:45,598 which canceled out each other in being fully contradictory. 1824 01:52:51,204 --> 01:52:52,839 Doping and anti-doping. 1825 01:52:57,577 --> 01:53:01,140 It was pure, exact doublethink. 1826 01:53:05,719 --> 01:53:07,354 I was like a slave. 1827 01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:12,459 Slavery was my freedom... 1828 01:53:17,464 --> 01:53:18,798 till the end. 1829 01:53:32,412 --> 01:53:33,546 So... 1830 01:53:38,510 --> 01:53:38,985 truth.