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At that Florida department
of corrections facility

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in stark, Florida,

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the signal has now come

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shortly after 7:00 this morning,

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eastern time.

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The signal came
from the witness window

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at the facility there
that Ted Bundy,

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convicted killer
of a 12-year-old girl,

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rape and murder of her in 1978,

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had died in the electric chair.

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Many of those outside the prison
who had maintained a vigil

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broke into cheers

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following the signal
that Bundy was dead.

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After exhausting

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a series of appeals
that lasted 10 years,

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Ted Bundy is dead.

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If it was...

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Something I could use,
I would use it.

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I would learn their routine...

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When they got home from work,

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how often
they went out to dinner,

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how often they ordered takeout.

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If they had a boyfriend,
when would he stop by?

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Did she have a dog? Did it bark?

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Those are the things
I would learn.

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Then on the night
of the full moon,

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I would make my approach.

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The full moon is key.

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You show a woman a badge
at night,

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know some real details
about her,

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she'll follow you right
to your car.

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That's where I would hit her
over the head with a tire iron

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hidden in the bumper
behind the wheel well.

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Once she was out,
I would drive her out

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to a spot I'd picked out
weeks before,

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secluded, wooded, no traffic,

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where no one would see my car.

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That's what I would do,
if I did it.

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But I didn't.

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I'm innocent of the crimes
for which I've been convicted,

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as well as those
I'm suspected of.

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I'm an innocent man.

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I was at Roger's
right before Korea

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with my first wife.

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It wasn't my wife.
They buried the pig.

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Glad to hear that.
We're all here.

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And as you all know,

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no good deed goes unpunished.

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You guys did such a fine job

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with the first
36 research interviews.

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The deputy director
wants another 36.

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- Oh, so generous.
- So...

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We're gonna expand our list

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to include serial rapists,
child molesters,

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and any of the serial murders

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we didn't get to
the first time around.

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So, we put together
a tentative wish list.

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You guys all know the drill.
You volunteer or be volunteered.

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First up is berkowitz. Myers.

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I got friends on the staff
up in attica.

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- I'll take a run at him.
- Take it.

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Sounds good. Bittaker.

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I'll take bittaker.
Worked the guy before.

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You got some family
in California,

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- don't you?
- Yeah, Cali boy.

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I saw your hand shoot up there
really quick.

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You j... you just want to
go to California. Alright.

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- Got your number, bud.
- Alright.

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Hold on here. Bundy.

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No one's taking that.

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- No.
- Anyone.

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No way.

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Yeah, I'll take him.

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Don't waste your time, bro.
He won't talk to you.

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He hates feds.
He won't talk to any of us.

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I can always give it a shot.

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- Yeah, give it a shot.
- I've been fortunate in the past

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with developing informants
that nobody thought would talk.

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We're all familiar
with your record.

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So why don't you meet with me
after the meeting,

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and we'll discuss this, okay?

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Yes, sir.

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Look, Roger,
I don't want to buck.

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I'm the new guy here.

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I don't want to step
on anyone's toes.

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He's not gonna confess
to anything,

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but even the simplest thing,
it might slip through.

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Look, there are families
out there looking for answers,

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and if we can provide
closure for just one,

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it'll be worthwhile.

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Alright.

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I'll have them
pull the files for you.

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Oh, um...

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Just the biography,

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not the crime scene photos.

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Hagmaier.

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Hey, bill. It's will.

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I reached out to the warden

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about getting you
into that interview.

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- Did you talk to him?
- Yeah, I did.

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Bundy wants you
to write him a letter.

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Write him a what?!

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A letter.
Who knows with this guy.

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Can you get it done by tomorrow?

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Yeah, sure.

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- I can do that.
- Great.

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You get it to me.
I'll get it to Bundy.

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Yeah. Alright.

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- Thanks, will.
- Yeah.

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Agent bill hagmaier.

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- Sign here.
- Mm-hmm.

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You've got to check your weapon.

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Okay.

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Agent,
he's not gonna talk to you.

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He hates the feds.

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We've exchanged letters.

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He has expressed interest.

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Oh.

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Yeah.
I need you to talk to Bundy.

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I have an agent, uh...

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- Hagmaier.
- Agent hagmaier.

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Says he wants to talk to him
or something.

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Yeah. No, that's what I said.

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Okay. Call me back.

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A while back,
a TV network offered him $50,000

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to do a special.

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He turned them down.

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So, he's not going to do
something like this for free.

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Yeah.

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Well, put him on.

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I don't give a good god damn
what he's doing.

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Put him on the phone.

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Yeah, Bundy.
Are you sure about this?

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Because I don't want
any goddamn bullshit

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splattering on my desk over it.

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You'd think
you're smarter than him.

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You think
you're gonna be the one

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that's gonna get him to confess?

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I don't think I'm smarter, sir.

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I don't think you necessarily
have to be smarter.

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This is what's going to happen,
agent hagmaier.

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Ted Bundy will come down.

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He'll toy with you
for a little while.

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He will cat and mouse with you.

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He will make you think
you are getting somewhere.

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Then he's gonna leave you there,

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go back to his cell,

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and jerk off at the memory.

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Well, at least that'll give me
something to write about.

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You know the drill.

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Well, say something.

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You came to talk to me,

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Mr. Bundy,
I'm special agent hagmaier.

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I know who you are.

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Well, I'm grateful

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for you to take the time
to see me today.

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We're compiling
a series of interviews

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to try to find common threads

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in the way that people think,

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and we're finding it...
Very helpful to get an idea

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of what people in your...

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Situation...

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Well,
what their childhoods were like,

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what brings out
their aggression,

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what makes them angry?

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My situation?

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Your situation is quite unique

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in that you also have,
from what I understand,

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an interest in the psychology
of serial murderers.

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I do.

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You've been writing to
an investigator up in Seattle.

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Uh, yes.

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You mean the green river thing?

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Yeah, that's a really
interesting case.

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I don't have, uh,
access to everything,

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but I-I've started to piece
some things together.

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And that thought process is why
I wanted to speak with you.

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Not, it isn't.

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Th-this is purely academic.

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I know this is.

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You FBI guys,
you're all the same.

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You think you're better than me.

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You're all just hoover disciples

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riding through
on your high horses,

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thinking you've got
the biggest brains in the room.

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If you're so smart,
why aren't you bagging

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serial killers left and right?

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Why doesn't witness protection
actually work?

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If you testify,
we'll Grant you immunity,

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and you can go
into witness protection.

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Live out your life
in a quaint small town.

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But it never works.
They always get killed.

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- You can't protect them.
- Well, witness protection is...

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You are liars in cheap suits
on government salaries,

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and everything is
an elaborate trap with you,

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all so you can
retire on a pension

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- and write your damn book.
- Look, I'm just...

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No, no, no! You...
Sell that to the tourists.

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You can never trust an FBI man.

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Not for a goddamn minute.

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Mr. Bundy...
Is this meeting over?

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No, sir, we were
just getting started.

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Mr. Hagmaier,
is this meeting over?

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No, no, we're just having a...

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Friendly conversation
on the state of the bureau.

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If you get up and put
your fingers in his face again,

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you won't be using them
for a year.

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Yes, sir.

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You could've buried me there.

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Do you know what
they would have done to me?

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Yeah, I have a pretty good idea.

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Look, I don't want
to get you on anything.

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I'm not even gonna ask
if you killed anybody.

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It doesn't matter to me.

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W-Why would you want
to talk to me specifically?

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Look, we both have
psychology degrees.

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You almost have a law degree.

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You have more education
than I do.

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I know the guys on the row
come to you looking for advice.

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And you help them
with their appeals.

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We trust you.
They tell you things.

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I'm not gonna ask you
anyone's secrets.

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I-I just...

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I just want to recruit you
to help me see

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if we're going down
the right road on this.

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Are we asking
the right questions?

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Are we looking
at the right people?

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I'm not here
looking for evidence.

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I'm looking for understanding.

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I don't know what you know.

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I don't see what you see.

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I don't hear what you hear.

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I don't think you'd tell me
the truth,

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even if I did ask you.

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I'm just...
I got to start somewhere.

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Why do they send you down here?

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Why didn't they bring
the prima Donnas in?

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Why didn't they send in
Montgomery or Douglas?

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Well, they didn't even think
you'd talk to us.

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- Why, because I had feds?
- Yeah.

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I don't know where
they get that idea about me.

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I'll tell you what.

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I bet they think they would
do a better job than you.

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I bet you're right about that.
I'm just the rookie.

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So, this is what
I get from the FBI, huh?

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A god damn rookie.

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Let me ask you something.

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Shoot.

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What do you think
about this thing...

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The *******
and violent crime?

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I read dietz's article about it.

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- Which one?
- The one from the bsu.

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How do you know about that?

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Where'd you get all this?

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These are FBI bulletins.
Even I don't have some of this.

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It's some
pretty heavy reading material.

257
00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:21,348
I'm impressed.

258
00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:22,482
Do you have playboys, too.

259
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,384
That's what the scrum have.

260
00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:26,486
I-I-I didn't mean to imply...

261
00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,755
Do you really think playboy
makes people do these things?

262
00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:31,391
- No.
- Neither do I.

263
00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:42,268
I'll tell you what
the real bad ******* is.

264
00:16:42,302 --> 00:16:46,773
The marriage of pleasure
with the thrill of control.

265
00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:48,675
The real danger isn't

266
00:16:48,708 --> 00:16:52,479
watching a woman get undressed
or reading a playboy.

267
00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:55,548
It's someone having the
euphoric feeling of having ***

268
00:16:55,582 --> 00:16:58,685
and hurting someone
at the same time,

269
00:16:58,718 --> 00:17:02,722
like in the detective magazines.

270
00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:06,526
The ones with the girls
on the front covers

271
00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,695
with their breasts
falling out of their dress

272
00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:12,165
while someone garrots them
from behind.

273
00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:15,268
"Read the true story
of one killer's obsession."

274
00:17:15,301 --> 00:17:17,170
Exactly.

275
00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:19,239
You know what those
are really good for, though?

276
00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:21,675
- What?
- Learning how not to get caught.

277
00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,443
I imagine they would be.

278
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:26,446
They are instruction manuals
on how to get away with it.

279
00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:32,752
So, did you read a lot
of those growing up?

280
00:17:32,786 --> 00:17:35,689
No, no, I never read them.

281
00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:38,258
So how did you
end up in the FBI?

282
00:17:38,291 --> 00:17:39,759
I think we should focus on...

283
00:17:39,793 --> 00:17:41,661
- On me?
- Yeah.

284
00:17:41,695 --> 00:17:43,930
You asked me to trust you, bill.

285
00:17:43,963 --> 00:17:46,232
But I don't know you from Adam.

286
00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,338
I ended up in the FBI
by accident.

287
00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:52,872
Oh, bullshit.

288
00:17:52,906 --> 00:17:54,708
You've got to have a degree.
What's you get it for?

289
00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,242
I wanted to be
a guidance counselor.

290
00:17:56,276 --> 00:17:57,811
Oh, no. No way.

291
00:17:57,844 --> 00:18:00,380
Seriously. A guidance counselor.

292
00:18:01,915 --> 00:18:04,451
How does a guidance counselor
end up in the FBI?

293
00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:06,953
Two weeks after I graduated,
I was drafted.

294
00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:09,220
- You want to 'nam?
- No.

295
00:18:09,550 --> 00:18:12,592
No, my brother was over there
and had just been shot.

296
00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:14,494
That bullet spared me
from having to go over.

297
00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:15,929
So, what did you do?

298
00:18:15,962 --> 00:18:18,331
I ended up as a counselor
at a military prison.

299
00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:21,267
And someone there
was a serial killer.

300
00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:23,503
A few.

301
00:18:23,536 --> 00:18:25,238
Did you counsel them?

302
00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,307
Some.

303
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:29,542
I bet you never wanted
for a thing in your life.

304
00:18:29,576 --> 00:18:30,944
What did your dad do?

305
00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:33,513
Investment banking,
upper management.

306
00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:34,814
Mailman.

307
00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:39,486
Happy childhood?

308
00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,540
No.

309
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:42,589
Were you close to him?

310
00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:45,525
He was a drunk.

311
00:18:45,558 --> 00:18:48,495
Okay.

312
00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:51,398
Moving on.

313
00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:52,799
Once you got in the FBI,

314
00:18:52,832 --> 00:18:54,868
you chased a job in the bsu?

315
00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:57,270
No, I was recommended.

316
00:18:57,303 --> 00:18:59,739
Like I said,
I ended up here by accident.

317
00:18:59,773 --> 00:19:01,975
You broke a big case.

318
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,710
I contributed.

319
00:19:03,743 --> 00:19:05,780
Serial killer?

320
00:19:05,111 --> 00:19:06,680
No.

321
00:19:06,713 --> 00:19:09,949
No, I-I developed a ci
on an armored car robbery

322
00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:11,685
that no one thought would talk.

323
00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:13,453
He gave us everything we needed.

324
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,355
- That New York thing.
- Yeah.

325
00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:18,658
Oh!

326
00:19:18,692 --> 00:19:21,561
That is the biggest
armored car heist in history.

327
00:19:21,628 --> 00:19:24,330
I've read about you.
You're no rookie.

328
00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:26,660
You're some hotshot
young upstart,

329
00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:27,567
and I'm your next big case.

330
00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:28,935
You're gonna be
the guy who broke me.

331
00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,670
- No.
- Come on.

332
00:19:30,704 --> 00:19:32,439
You can't bullshit
a bullshitter.

333
00:19:32,472 --> 00:19:35,410
I'm not. I'm a scientist.

334
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:37,510
I-I just want to understand.

335
00:19:37,544 --> 00:19:39,479
Oh, you want to understand.

336
00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:48,210
Well, I'll tell you...

337
00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:51,458
You and your colleagues
out there...

338
00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:53,426
The investigators,
the detectives,

339
00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:59,650
you're like fisherman
out on the water.

340
00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:01,868
You throw your bait in.

341
00:20:01,901 --> 00:20:03,837
You're trying
to catch your fish.

342
00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:07,941
The smaller fish,

343
00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:10,343
the inexperienced ones,

344
00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:12,779
the ones who are still
driven by their ego,

345
00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:15,882
well, they're gonna
fight for that.

346
00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,584
They're gonna swim up,
and they're going to try

347
00:20:17,584 --> 00:20:19,352
and get that hook.

348
00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:23,456
They don't know it's a hook
because they're stupid.

349
00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:25,725
They're arrogant.

350
00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:30,300
And you'll... you'll catch
a lot of those fish,

351
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:31,464
but occasionally,

352
00:20:31,498 --> 00:20:33,500
your bait will sink
a little lower,

353
00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,468
to the middle level,

354
00:20:35,502 --> 00:20:38,710
and that's where
the medium-sized fish are.

355
00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:40,907
And they're hard to catch.

356
00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,475
You only catch them
when they're lazy

357
00:20:42,509 --> 00:20:44,770
or their egos get
the better of them.

358
00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:47,447
You get them. You pull them up.

359
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,150
You mount them on your wall.

360
00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:53,119
You get you press conference.
You write your book.

361
00:20:53,153 --> 00:20:55,889
But deep down...

362
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:57,957
In the deepest
depths of the sea,

363
00:20:57,991 --> 00:21:00,930
is where the biggest fish are.

364
00:21:01,995 --> 00:21:05,650
And you have no idea
how big they are.

365
00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:08,868
You have no idea how long
they've been down there.

366
00:21:08,902 --> 00:21:11,171
They see everything.

367
00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:14,741
They watch everything.

368
00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:18,780
Sometimes, they eat
the smaller fish.

369
00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,460
But they don't take the bait.

370
00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:24,884
The only way you can catch them

371
00:21:24,918 --> 00:21:26,853
is to become one of them.

372
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,492
And you can't do that.

373
00:21:36,229 --> 00:21:38,198
You won't do that.

374
00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:44,700
Not yet.

375
00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:46,139
Maybe someday...

376
00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:48,441
If I can trust you...

377
00:21:50,577 --> 00:21:54,514
I'll take you
under the water with me.

378
00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:57,183
You can see how deep
all this goes.

379
00:22:05,959 --> 00:22:09,129
Mr. Bundy, it's time.

380
00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:11,164
- We're done anyway.
- Would you like me to come back

381
00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:13,660
to continue this conversation?

382
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:16,169
Ah, we'll see.

383
00:22:16,202 --> 00:22:19,500
Maybe I'll write you a letter
or something.

384
00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:25,945
Oh, but if you do come back...

385
00:22:25,979 --> 00:22:28,748
Could you bring me some gum?

386
00:22:28,782 --> 00:22:30,984
- Well, that's contraband,
- yeah, I know.

387
00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:32,852
The wrappers.

388
00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:36,489
Look, maybe you can
talk to the warden.

389
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:38,458
I'll see what I can do.

390
00:22:50,804 --> 00:22:54,741
So, did you get anything
we could use?

391
00:22:54,774 --> 00:22:56,109
No.

392
00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:58,110
But I got a pretty good
read on them.

393
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,612
Yeah.

394
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,514
You think he's capable
of all the other murders

395
00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:03,249
he's suspected of?

396
00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,984
Oh, he's...
He's guilty, alright.

397
00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:08,254
- He all but admitted it to me.
- You're kidding me.

398
00:23:08,254 --> 00:23:10,757
He wouldn't say he did it.

399
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,959
He won't. Not yet.

400
00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:15,195
But he wanted me
to know he did it.

401
00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:17,263
He's proud...

402
00:23:17,263 --> 00:23:18,732
Proud of what he's done,

403
00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:20,800
but even more so
that we can't prove it.

404
00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:22,268
What do you think he wants?

405
00:23:22,268 --> 00:23:24,337
Well, he says he wants me
to bring down case files

406
00:23:24,371 --> 00:23:26,720
so he can help profile.

407
00:23:26,106 --> 00:23:27,640
What do you say?

408
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,809
I say
it's more complicated than that.

409
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,745
I think you should
keep pulling at that thread

410
00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,646
and see what's
at the other end of it.

411
00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:36,490
Okay.

412
00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:38,284
Man, how many times
do I have to tell you?

413
00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:41,254
I've got nothing else to say.

414
00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:42,989
Here you go, bill.

415
00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:44,190
Thanks, Tom.

416
00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,369
Hello.

417
00:25:02,369 --> 00:25:04,804
Hello.

418
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:12,746
- You remembered?
- I did.

419
00:25:12,746 --> 00:25:15,648
The warden was very particular
about the wrappers,

420
00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:17,917
but since you played
nice last time,

421
00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:19,119
he made an exception.

422
00:25:19,152 --> 00:25:21,187
Spearmint.

423
00:25:21,187 --> 00:25:22,922
How'd you know
it was my favorite?

424
00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:24,357
I didn't.

425
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:35,902
Hmm.

426
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:46,680
That is very good.

427
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:52,152
So, tell me, what's the,
uh, tape recorder for?

428
00:25:52,185 --> 00:25:54,220
I thought we'd talk
about some cases.

429
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:56,189
And you need a tape recorder
for that?

430
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:59,192
Well, you have a unique window
into this world,

431
00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:01,194
and there's a good chance
you'll say a great many things

432
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:02,762
that I'd like a record of.

433
00:26:02,796 --> 00:26:04,297
Okay.

434
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:07,434
- But if I say shut it off.
- It goes off.

435
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,703
Well, press record,

436
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:12,339
and let's get this
party started.

437
00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:15,141
I'm gonna save this.

438
00:26:15,175 --> 00:26:18,780
It is February 13, 1986.

439
00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:19,813
This is agent bill hagmaier.

440
00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:20,947
I'm sitting with Theodore...

441
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:21,981
No, Ted.

442
00:26:21,981 --> 00:26:25,251
I'm sitting with Ted Bundy.

443
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:26,986
Where do you wanna start?

444
00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:28,888
Uh, I thought we'd
start with green river.

445
00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:30,256
I feel like there's something

446
00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:32,359
I could add
to the investigation.

447
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,261
I understand why they can't show
me pictures or tell me things,

448
00:26:35,328 --> 00:26:38,465
but if I could just see some
of those crime scene photos,

449
00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:40,333
I think it would be something
of a revelation.

450
00:26:40,367 --> 00:26:42,736
I could see some of the changes

451
00:26:42,802 --> 00:26:43,970
that this guy was going through,

452
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,972
at least on a superficial level.

453
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,208
Superficial?

454
00:26:48,241 --> 00:26:50,477
This is a person that
we're looking for here,

455
00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:52,278
assuming that
it's just one person.

456
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,548
This is a living, breathing,
viable human being,

457
00:26:55,548 --> 00:26:57,484
who's just going about his life

458
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:59,486
in a way
that makes sense to him.

459
00:26:59,486 --> 00:27:01,554
He isn't some kind of monster

460
00:27:01,554 --> 00:27:03,456
because he wasn't
at the beginning.

461
00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:06,192
He's sick, demented, sure.

462
00:27:06,259 --> 00:27:10,497
But... when you start
using jargon like that,

463
00:27:10,563 --> 00:27:12,766
those impassioned terms,

464
00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:15,935
you forget that there's
a lot of him that in you.

465
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,138
I don't know about that.

466
00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:20,407
There is nothing
that this guy has thought

467
00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:23,877
that you haven't thought
at one time or another.

468
00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:25,845
What, he's just...

469
00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:28,415
Taking it a step further
for one reason or another.

470
00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:31,510
Well, sure.

471
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:34,421
They're crediting him
with 36 now.

472
00:27:34,421 --> 00:27:36,523
And yet, he's still
avoided detection,

473
00:27:36,589 --> 00:27:39,292
even with a vulnerable
victim class like prostitutes.

474
00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,861
Not a real high-risk crime
for the offender.

475
00:27:41,895 --> 00:27:44,964
Still bold as hell.

476
00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:47,400
I'm amazed at some
of his crassness and luck,

477
00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:49,235
going back to the same area,

478
00:27:49,302 --> 00:27:52,172
even while all hell
was breaking loose.

479
00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:53,873
All of the girls being

480
00:27:53,907 --> 00:27:55,241
fully aware
of what was going on,

481
00:27:55,308 --> 00:27:56,476
he still managed to get victims,

482
00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:59,512
and then he just stops?

483
00:27:59,512 --> 00:28:02,615
Now, do you think a person
like that can just stop?

484
00:28:02,649 --> 00:28:06,860
It's unlikely,
though, if he did,

485
00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:08,455
maybe he was exhausted.

486
00:28:08,455 --> 00:28:10,190
Exhausted?

487
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:11,991
Do you have any idea

488
00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:14,561
what a spree like this
would take out of you?

489
00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:16,996
It's...

490
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:19,466
Too big a bite, man.
Too big a bite.

491
00:28:19,466 --> 00:28:22,836
- I can't even begin to imagine.
- Yes, you can.

492
00:28:24,337 --> 00:28:25,872
Do you think I don't know
why you're asking me

493
00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:27,207
about this stuff?

494
00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:29,442
What do you mean?

495
00:28:29,476 --> 00:28:31,478
About the murders
in the pacific northwest,

496
00:28:31,544 --> 00:28:33,179
well, you said in your letters

497
00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:34,914
that you wanted to discuss
the green river case?

498
00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:37,917
Do you want to ask me
about, um, Utah next,

499
00:28:37,951 --> 00:28:40,286
or Florida or Idaho.

500
00:28:40,353 --> 00:28:43,556
- What's in Idaho?
- I'm just naming states.

501
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:46,292
Look, I-I'm here to talk to you

502
00:28:46,292 --> 00:28:48,561
about anything
you'd like to talk about.

503
00:28:57,937 --> 00:29:01,410
Do you think there's a point
in a person's progression

504
00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:05,311
where they... they say,
"this is my life's work.

505
00:29:05,378 --> 00:29:06,880
This is what I need to do"?

506
00:29:06,946 --> 00:29:10,517
Or do you think
it's a gradual escalation?

507
00:29:10,517 --> 00:29:12,952
You know, it's gradual.

508
00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:14,888
It's like a... a skier

509
00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:18,324
who has been dreaming about
skiing their whole life.

510
00:29:18,391 --> 00:29:19,592
They read the magazines.

511
00:29:19,659 --> 00:29:21,161
They watch the movies
about skiing.

512
00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:22,896
They think about it
all the time.

513
00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:26,533
And one day, they just say,
"I got to try that."

514
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,235
Right, and some people will
start on the very steep hill,

515
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:30,637
and some will start
on the bunny slope.

516
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:32,172
Some people take lessons.

517
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:39,346
What's your thumbnail sketch
of the guy?

518
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:46,686
Well, I wouldn't go so far
as to say how old he is

519
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,989
or anything like that, but...

520
00:29:49,989 --> 00:29:53,426
He's either unemployed
or works part time.

521
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:56,363
Um...

522
00:29:56,363 --> 00:29:59,990
Based on the frequency
of his killing,

523
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:01,340
the fact that his victims

524
00:30:01,101 --> 00:30:05,271
were taken every single
night of the week...

525
00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:10,477
indicates that
he doesn't really have

526
00:30:10,477 --> 00:30:13,113
much of a schedule to adhere to.

527
00:30:13,179 --> 00:30:14,581
Well, he's not married.

528
00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:16,282
Probably doesn't have
a steady girlfriend

529
00:30:16,316 --> 00:30:19,285
or anything that puts
regular demands on his time.

530
00:30:22,756 --> 00:30:25,125
That's some solid profiling,

531
00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:29,295
and you did that just with
some newspaper clippings.

532
00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:31,231
Will you turn the tape off?

533
00:30:39,406 --> 00:30:41,307
You know they think I'm crazy.

534
00:30:43,243 --> 00:30:45,145
I'm tired of people
saying I'm crazy.

535
00:30:45,211 --> 00:30:46,646
I'm tired of reading
psychiatrists

536
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,490
and some of your
FBI prima Donnas say

537
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:51,418
that you have to have
some sort of complex

538
00:30:51,484 --> 00:30:54,788
in order to kill people.

539
00:30:54,821 --> 00:30:57,257
Normal people kill people.

540
00:31:05,732 --> 00:31:07,600
Say...

541
00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:12,238
What's the worst thing that
you remember about your father?

542
00:31:12,272 --> 00:31:13,440
What do you mean?

543
00:31:13,506 --> 00:31:15,608
Well, you told me you hated him.

544
00:31:15,642 --> 00:31:17,544
What's the worst thing
you remember?

545
00:31:26,653 --> 00:31:29,723
Our house had a basement.

546
00:31:29,756 --> 00:31:33,193
It was the only place to play
when my dad got home from work.

547
00:31:33,193 --> 00:31:36,663
He like quiet
while he watched the shows.

548
00:31:36,696 --> 00:31:40,800
One summer,
a rat moved into the basement.

549
00:31:40,834 --> 00:31:43,536
I could hear it constantly.

550
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:45,271
Always chewing.

551
00:31:45,305 --> 00:31:48,575
Always scratching.

552
00:31:48,641 --> 00:31:50,677
It attacked me once.

553
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:52,545
Darn thing bit me.

554
00:31:52,579 --> 00:31:54,814
I ran upstairs crying,

555
00:31:54,848 --> 00:31:58,151
my dad, he didn't like me
interrupting his shows,

556
00:31:58,184 --> 00:32:01,554
so he... he got up
and grabbed a baseball bat.

557
00:32:01,588 --> 00:32:02,789
He hit you?

558
00:32:02,822 --> 00:32:04,758
No.

559
00:32:04,791 --> 00:32:06,793
No, he went down the stairs.

560
00:32:06,826 --> 00:32:09,562
I could hear him cursing
through the floor,

561
00:32:09,562 --> 00:32:14,200
and he battered the basement.

562
00:32:14,234 --> 00:32:16,636
A few minutes later,
he came upstairs,

563
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:18,872
bat covered in blood,
lean it against this chair,

564
00:32:18,905 --> 00:32:20,874
went back to his beer.

565
00:32:20,907 --> 00:32:23,576
Told me to go downstairs
to clean it.

566
00:32:23,576 --> 00:32:27,800
I went down there and...

567
00:32:27,147 --> 00:32:31,317
The worst thing wasn't
the blood or that smashed rat.

568
00:32:34,654 --> 00:32:38,910
It was the silence.

569
00:32:38,158 --> 00:32:40,326
I-I couldn't
hear the rat anymore.

570
00:32:40,326 --> 00:32:44,970
I couldn't hear the scratching
or the chewing.

571
00:32:44,164 --> 00:32:47,734
Any time I went down there
after that, it was quiet.

572
00:32:47,767 --> 00:32:50,537
I-I stopped going down there
after that.

573
00:32:54,541 --> 00:32:56,476
You missed the rat.

574
00:32:58,878 --> 00:33:00,613
Yeah, I guess.

575
00:33:04,617 --> 00:33:06,353
Do you think
you could kill somebody?

576
00:33:09,456 --> 00:33:12,192
I think you could.

577
00:33:12,225 --> 00:33:14,627
Well, I'm an FBI agent.

578
00:33:14,661 --> 00:33:16,730
I carry a gun, got a badge.

579
00:33:16,763 --> 00:33:18,698
That's not what I'm saying.

580
00:33:25,705 --> 00:33:28,208
Every morning, I say a prayer.

581
00:33:28,241 --> 00:33:30,744
I put on my gun and my badge,

582
00:33:30,777 --> 00:33:33,313
and I ask god
for the strength and wisdom

583
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:35,181
to know when to pull the trigger

584
00:33:35,215 --> 00:33:37,684
and not one second sooner
and not one second later.

585
00:33:37,717 --> 00:33:39,819
That's not what I'm asking,
either.

586
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:46,493
Could you kill somebody?

587
00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:57,404
Yeah, I could.

588
00:33:57,437 --> 00:34:01,408
And I could get away with it to.

589
00:34:01,408 --> 00:34:03,810
I'm at least as strong as you.

590
00:34:03,843 --> 00:34:06,913
Probably like ***
as much as you do.

591
00:34:06,946 --> 00:34:09,516
I know how to dispose of a body,

592
00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:11,418
how not to be noticed,

593
00:34:11,451 --> 00:34:14,788
how to get in and out
and leave a scene looking

594
00:34:14,821 --> 00:34:17,957
like it belongs to a series
of other murderers.

595
00:34:22,662 --> 00:34:24,698
But that's not who I am.

596
00:34:24,731 --> 00:34:26,833
I wouldn't do that.

597
00:34:28,435 --> 00:34:32,372
But you could do it.

598
00:34:32,439 --> 00:34:34,808
Yeah. Yeah, I could.

599
00:34:34,841 --> 00:34:37,477
Are you crazy?

600
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:40,580
I don't think so.

601
00:34:40,647 --> 00:34:43,350
Well, neither am I.

602
00:34:43,383 --> 00:34:44,984
You understand that?

603
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:48,210
I understood that the first
moment I walked in here.

604
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:49,756
You're already better
at your job

605
00:34:49,789 --> 00:34:51,991
than most of the guys
you work with.

606
00:34:54,461 --> 00:34:56,663
They all think I'm looney tunes.

607
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:40,874
I hear he's sending you letters

608
00:35:40,907 --> 00:35:42,575
pretty regularly.

609
00:35:42,642 --> 00:35:44,678
He likes to talk,
likes to be heard.

610
00:35:44,711 --> 00:35:47,947
Just how close are
you two getting?

611
00:35:47,981 --> 00:35:49,849
What is that supposed to mean?

612
00:35:49,883 --> 00:35:52,952
I mean, I hear rumors.

613
00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:54,854
Watch yourself.

614
00:35:54,888 --> 00:35:56,923
When you get too close
to a guy like this,

615
00:35:56,956 --> 00:35:59,693
you can lose your way.

616
00:35:59,726 --> 00:36:02,629
Okay. Okay.

617
00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:05,632
So then the teacher says,
"it's imagination time.

618
00:36:05,665 --> 00:36:08,535
Today, we're gonna pretend
to be like animals."

619
00:36:08,568 --> 00:36:12,380
And so she goes, "little susie,
what is a lion like?"

620
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,808
And little susie rears up
and slashes a paw forward

621
00:36:14,841 --> 00:36:16,343
and goes rawr!

622
00:36:16,376 --> 00:36:17,911
She's like,
"that's great, little susie."

623
00:36:17,944 --> 00:36:20,680
So then she's like,
"Billy, what is a Turkey like?"

624
00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:22,749
And he flaps his wings
all around the room.

625
00:36:22,782 --> 00:36:24,651
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!

626
00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:28,880
And then she gets to Brian,
and she says, "Brian,

627
00:36:28,121 --> 00:36:29,656
what is an elephant like?"

628
00:36:29,689 --> 00:36:31,725
And Brian stops.

629
00:36:31,758 --> 00:36:33,426
He thinks about it for a second,

630
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:35,795
and he stands up,

631
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:38,898
and he drops his britches
and drawers right then and there

632
00:36:38,932 --> 00:36:41,468
and starts crab walking
around the room,

633
00:36:41,501 --> 00:36:43,536
going, "brr, I'm an elephant!

634
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:48,742
Brr!"

635
00:36:48,775 --> 00:36:50,977
- Wait, how old was he?
- 4.

636
00:36:51,110 --> 00:36:52,512
Did you get the call,
or did your wife?

637
00:36:52,545 --> 00:36:54,581
It was her. She was not happy.

638
00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:56,483
Jesus, your son
sounds like a hoot.

639
00:36:56,516 --> 00:36:58,385
Oh, he's a good kid.

640
00:36:58,418 --> 00:36:59,686
He's got to be, what,

641
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,721
six months or so
older than Rosa.

642
00:37:01,755 --> 00:37:04,991
- How old's your boy now?
- 5.

643
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:07,127
That sounds about right.

644
00:37:12,732 --> 00:37:14,934
What do you imagine
they're doing right now?

645
00:37:14,968 --> 00:37:18,371
You know,
while their daddies talk murder.

646
00:37:18,405 --> 00:37:20,974
I haven't seen her.

647
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:22,776
I don't, uh...

648
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,715
I don't know what she does.

649
00:37:28,748 --> 00:37:31,818
I like to imagine that
she's got a nice Dollhouse,

650
00:37:31,851 --> 00:37:35,880
but she goes out
riding her bike.

651
00:37:35,121 --> 00:37:39,893
But then I also hope
that she's careful, you know?

652
00:37:42,629 --> 00:37:44,464
A lot of dangerous men
in the world.

653
00:37:44,497 --> 00:37:47,670
Too many.

654
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,868
Do you have a picture?

655
00:37:58,144 --> 00:37:59,546
She's beautiful.

656
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:01,448
She takes after her mother,

657
00:38:01,481 --> 00:38:03,183
have you seen her mother
recently?

658
00:38:03,216 --> 00:38:06,886
Not in a few months.

659
00:38:09,889 --> 00:38:12,959
I miss the hell out of them.

660
00:38:12,992 --> 00:38:16,620
- Rosa's getting to that age.
- That age?

661
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,734
When she understands
what people say about me.

662
00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:22,969
Yeah, well, how do you even
explain that to a child?

663
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,171
How do you explain that
to an adult?

664
00:38:25,205 --> 00:38:27,507
Full grown adults walk around
that don't understand

665
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:28,908
that they shouldn't believe

666
00:38:28,942 --> 00:38:31,478
everything that they hear
in the press.

667
00:38:31,511 --> 00:38:33,813
How can you expect
a 4 year old to?

668
00:38:36,816 --> 00:38:39,185
Does your son know what you do?

669
00:38:39,185 --> 00:38:42,220
He knows his daddy
protects people.

670
00:38:44,524 --> 00:38:46,726
Well...

671
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,695
Rose's daddy...

672
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:52,465
Well, he doesn't.

673
00:38:59,105 --> 00:39:01,474
Did you get that letter I sent.

674
00:39:01,508 --> 00:39:02,709
The latest one?

675
00:39:02,742 --> 00:39:04,944
Is that the one about the girl

676
00:39:04,978 --> 00:39:07,213
- who sends you the pictures?
- Yeah.

677
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,849
I mean, a lot of women
send photographs.

678
00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:11,840
Well, not like these.

679
00:39:11,117 --> 00:39:12,986
No.

680
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:14,587
I don't know where you would go

681
00:39:14,654 --> 00:39:16,856
to get something
like these developed.

682
00:39:16,856 --> 00:39:19,592
The wall of your cell must
be quite a sight to see.

683
00:39:19,659 --> 00:39:20,960
Oh, I don't keep them.

684
00:39:20,994 --> 00:39:25,231
No, I trade them
to other inmates for favors,

685
00:39:25,298 --> 00:39:27,867
- commissary and the like.
- You don't like them?

686
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:30,870
I always know there will be more
in the next day's mail.

687
00:39:41,247 --> 00:39:43,216
Turn the tape off.

688
00:39:50,256 --> 00:39:52,158
I don't think I can
do this anymore.

689
00:39:52,192 --> 00:39:55,261
Why not?

690
00:39:55,261 --> 00:39:58,231
I...

691
00:39:58,264 --> 00:40:00,633
You're getting inside my head,

692
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,335
I don't like people
being inside my head.

693
00:40:02,369 --> 00:40:04,337
- I'm not inside your head.
- You're so full of it.

694
00:40:04,371 --> 00:40:05,972
- No...
- I bet you think you know

695
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,241
what I would do
if I broke out of this place.

696
00:40:08,274 --> 00:40:09,809
- I don't.
- Yeah, but you do.

697
00:40:09,843 --> 00:40:11,177
I bet you think you do.

698
00:40:11,177 --> 00:40:12,979
Tell me.

699
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:14,180
Tell me what
you think I would do

700
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:16,149
if I broke out of this place.

701
00:40:24,924 --> 00:40:27,193
Well, the first thing
you would do is steal a car.

702
00:40:29,629 --> 00:40:33,800
Then you'd probably head up
to the state of Washington.

703
00:40:33,833 --> 00:40:36,736
You'd probably remove
a couple of people

704
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:40,600
- that are under your skin now.
- Yeah. Who?

705
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,643
Maybe a... an investigator

706
00:40:43,677 --> 00:40:45,178
that's pissing you off.

707
00:40:45,211 --> 00:40:47,781
Not returning the letters.

708
00:40:47,814 --> 00:40:49,683
Maybe a journalist

709
00:40:49,683 --> 00:40:51,751
who's been...

710
00:40:51,785 --> 00:40:54,154
Unkind.

711
00:40:54,187 --> 00:40:57,157
Then there's somebody else.
I don't know.

712
00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,929
A guy you think is
having *** with your wife.

713
00:41:04,831 --> 00:41:06,866
Then you'd steal another car,

714
00:41:06,866 --> 00:41:08,234
slip over the border
into Canada,

715
00:41:08,234 --> 00:41:10,203
and never, ever come out.

716
00:41:12,238 --> 00:41:13,940
We'd never hear from you
ever again.

717
00:41:13,973 --> 00:41:15,675
**** you!

718
00:41:38,732 --> 00:41:43,703
You can turn the tape back on.

719
00:41:43,737 --> 00:41:45,638
A-Are you sure?

720
00:41:45,705 --> 00:41:48,274
I wouldn't know what else
to do with my time.

721
00:41:51,111 --> 00:41:52,979
You could write another book.

722
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:54,914
Oh, never again.

723
00:41:54,914 --> 00:41:56,116
That didn't work out.

724
00:41:56,149 --> 00:41:57,650
It was a bestseller

725
00:41:57,717 --> 00:41:59,185
we did correctly anticipate

726
00:41:59,252 --> 00:42:03,189
the baser desires
of the book-buying public.

727
00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:06,159
They do want to be titillated.

728
00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,610
There were people who read that
for genuine reasons,

729
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:10,830
- but they were misled.
- How so?

730
00:42:10,864 --> 00:42:13,733
Well, it's a funny thing
when money gets involved,

731
00:42:13,767 --> 00:42:17,303
and people do things for money
that they ordinarily wouldn't.

732
00:42:17,303 --> 00:42:19,673
And those guys, they wanted me
to talk about things

733
00:42:19,739 --> 00:42:21,700
that I was suspected of,

734
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:22,409
and I was like,
"I can't do that.

735
00:42:22,475 --> 00:42:25,378
All I can do is speculate."

736
00:42:25,412 --> 00:42:27,180
Anybody who read those books

737
00:42:27,213 --> 00:42:29,416
knows nothing about me
or what actually happened.

738
00:42:29,482 --> 00:42:31,751
Well, there are other people
who wrote books

739
00:42:31,785 --> 00:42:34,220
who knew you before
any alleged criminal activity,

740
00:42:34,287 --> 00:42:35,789
and they felt they knew you.

741
00:42:35,855 --> 00:42:38,758
- You mean Ann rule?
- Do you remember her?

742
00:42:38,792 --> 00:42:40,326
Vividly.

743
00:42:40,326 --> 00:42:43,963
In her own way,
she's a very nice person.

744
00:42:43,963 --> 00:42:46,866
All we did was share shifts
at call-in crisis center.

745
00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:48,435
We never saw each other
socially.

746
00:42:48,435 --> 00:42:49,969
My former fiancee,

747
00:42:49,969 --> 00:42:51,938
girlfriend, friend,
what have you, Liz,

748
00:42:51,971 --> 00:42:53,306
she wrote a book about me.

749
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:55,175
She had a far, far
better opportunity

750
00:42:55,208 --> 00:42:56,343
to get to know me.

751
00:42:56,409 --> 00:42:58,345
Better than Diane Edwards?

752
00:43:01,810 --> 00:43:04,150
Diane is a lovely person.

753
00:43:04,184 --> 00:43:06,720
But we were only just friends.

754
00:43:06,786 --> 00:43:08,822
We never lived together.

755
00:43:08,822 --> 00:43:12,792
Now, Liz, she saw me day in
and day out for years.

756
00:43:12,826 --> 00:43:13,993
Well, Diane is referred to

757
00:43:13,993 --> 00:43:15,528
as someone you cared
very deeply for.

758
00:43:15,528 --> 00:43:17,364
There are a lot
of theories about me

759
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:21,468
that are just
a bunch of bull crap.

760
00:43:21,468 --> 00:43:23,269
Well, people think that
Diana and I broke up,

761
00:43:23,336 --> 00:43:26,206
and somehow this was the...

762
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,343
Traumatic episode in my life
that made me go over the edge.

763
00:43:30,377 --> 00:43:32,746
But...

764
00:43:32,812 --> 00:43:34,481
It's simply not true.

765
00:43:34,481 --> 00:43:36,983
It's completely untrue.

766
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,254
I know in my heart

767
00:43:41,287 --> 00:43:44,900
that that episode
was not important.

768
00:43:46,126 --> 00:43:49,496
Now you have Liz, friends,
family, relatives...

769
00:43:49,562 --> 00:43:51,865
They're all reexamining
our relationships.

770
00:43:51,931 --> 00:43:55,100
You know, they're...

771
00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:56,536
"Did I see it coming?
Could I have stopped it?"

772
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:58,400
You know how it is.

773
00:43:58,380 --> 00:43:59,439
I saw it in him
when he was 5 years old.

774
00:43:59,472 --> 00:44:01,207
People, they don't
want to feel fooled.

775
00:44:01,207 --> 00:44:03,877
You know, there's,
"oh, I knew he had it in him

776
00:44:03,943 --> 00:44:05,445
when he wouldn't open the door
for me one time,"

777
00:44:05,478 --> 00:44:07,847
- that sort of thing.
- Yeah, you kicked a cat.

778
00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:09,949
Yeah, I kicked a cat,
and one time,

779
00:44:09,949 --> 00:44:12,318
I jumped up out from behind
the bushes to scare Ann.

780
00:44:12,385 --> 00:44:13,520
Well, who hasn't done that?

781
00:44:13,586 --> 00:44:15,955
And one time, it was that I...

782
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:17,424
I-I walked along
the railroad tracks

783
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:19,192
to see how long I could go
without falling off.

784
00:44:19,225 --> 00:44:20,527
I mean, come on.

785
00:44:20,593 --> 00:44:22,495
It's ridiculous.
Give me a break.

786
00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:26,433
Jumping out from the bushes
was never my thing anyway.

787
00:44:26,499 --> 00:44:30,437
There are a lot of myths
and misunderstandings about me.

788
00:44:30,437 --> 00:44:32,872
Like you're a...
A master of disguise.

789
00:44:32,872 --> 00:44:35,608
Oh, my god. Yes, yes.

790
00:44:35,642 --> 00:44:38,345
Just half a dozen photographs
of my many faces.

791
00:44:38,411 --> 00:44:40,513
But they were all taken
within a 10-year period.

792
00:44:40,547 --> 00:44:43,830
They had
my graduation photo from '65

793
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:45,850
and my arrest photo from '75.

794
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:49,189
If you grow a beard, say,
just innocently grow a beard

795
00:44:49,189 --> 00:44:52,158
or you come in...

796
00:44:52,192 --> 00:44:54,627
In a different mood,
wearing a different expression,

797
00:44:54,661 --> 00:44:57,464
people are gonna think you look
like a different person.

798
00:44:59,366 --> 00:45:02,102
But this is the myth
that they wanted to tell,

799
00:45:02,102 --> 00:45:04,170
the master of disguise.

800
00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:05,472
But when you were caught,

801
00:45:05,538 --> 00:45:07,907
you had to tell the police
who you were,

802
00:45:07,941 --> 00:45:10,100
even though you were
on the FBI's top-10 list.

803
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,846
I told them.
They didn't believe me.

804
00:45:15,281 --> 00:45:17,830
When you were a fugitive,
did that list have

805
00:45:17,117 --> 00:45:18,418
any bearing
on the way he behaved,

806
00:45:18,451 --> 00:45:21,187
my manner of survival,
yeah, yeah.

807
00:45:21,187 --> 00:45:23,590
But to be honest...
And I don't mean

808
00:45:23,656 --> 00:45:25,492
to insult your intelligence
or anything...

809
00:45:25,492 --> 00:45:28,940
But I don't think
you all catch anybody.

810
00:45:28,128 --> 00:45:29,496
Not really.

811
00:45:29,496 --> 00:45:33,566
I mean, there are exceptions,
certainly, but...

812
00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:37,370
I think most guys get
themselves caught.

813
00:45:37,103 --> 00:45:39,472
Well, do you think sometimes

814
00:45:39,506 --> 00:45:41,207
they want to get caught?

815
00:45:41,207 --> 00:45:43,109
I never wanted to be caught.

816
00:45:43,143 --> 00:45:44,577
I know that's a top-tier theory,

817
00:45:44,577 --> 00:45:47,380
but it's more
pop psychology crap.

818
00:45:47,414 --> 00:45:50,250
No, the truth is, is that
nobody looks at those things.

819
00:45:50,316 --> 00:45:52,686
Nobody keeps their eyes
peeled all day long,

820
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,689
looking for somebody that they
saw on a "most wanted" picture.

821
00:45:55,722 --> 00:45:58,580
Even cops, they walk around.

822
00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:00,460
They don't believe that they're
ever gonna run into that person.

823
00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:02,328
So all you have to do is

824
00:46:02,395 --> 00:46:04,964
go about your day,
don't act weird,

825
00:46:04,998 --> 00:46:08,635
and everyone thinks
you're just a regular guy.

826
00:46:08,668 --> 00:46:10,270
I imagine that's
how serial killers

827
00:46:10,337 --> 00:46:12,439
get their victims, as well.

828
00:46:14,741 --> 00:46:17,100
I imagine it is, too.

829
00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:22,515
You know,
we should write a book.

830
00:46:22,549 --> 00:46:24,617
You just said...

831
00:46:24,651 --> 00:46:26,353
No, no, no, not about me.

832
00:46:26,353 --> 00:46:29,890
About profiling.

833
00:46:29,155 --> 00:46:31,358
We could call it
"the bill and Ted show,"

834
00:46:31,424 --> 00:46:33,727
I'm not writing a book.
Not with you.

835
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,628
- Not with anybody.
- Why not?

836
00:46:35,662 --> 00:46:38,640
Well, then I'd just be like all
the other prima Donnas, right?

837
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:39,966
Yeah, but think about what
it could do for your career.

838
00:46:39,999 --> 00:46:41,368
My career's fine.

839
00:46:45,438 --> 00:46:49,376
You know,
if things were different,

840
00:46:49,376 --> 00:46:52,479
I could be sitting
in that chair.

841
00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:53,747
I could do what you do.

842
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:55,715
I have no doubt about that.

843
00:46:55,749 --> 00:46:58,118
And if things were different,

844
00:46:58,184 --> 00:46:59,953
you could be out there...

845
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,722
Trolling the streets,

846
00:47:02,756 --> 00:47:04,691
looking for the right girl.

847
00:47:07,394 --> 00:47:10,130
And getting to know her habits,

848
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:13,733
how she does her hair.

849
00:47:13,767 --> 00:47:17,704
Which shoulder
she slings her purse over.

850
00:47:17,737 --> 00:47:21,675
Does she bite her nails?

851
00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:23,743
You could be that guy.

852
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:29,149
If things were different.

853
00:47:35,221 --> 00:47:37,424
If things were different.

854
00:48:34,581 --> 00:48:36,116
The U.S. supreme court today

855
00:48:36,149 --> 00:48:38,752
said no to mass murder
Theodore Bundy.

856
00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:40,820
The court refused to set aside
Bundy's conviction

857
00:48:40,854 --> 00:48:42,655
and his death sentence
for the murder

858
00:48:42,689 --> 00:48:46,590
of a 12-year-old Florida girl
more than a decade ago.

859
00:48:49,195 --> 00:48:51,398
Boss man wants to see you.

860
00:48:55,769 --> 00:48:58,380
Come on in. Close the door.

861
00:49:01,708 --> 00:49:03,576
What is it?

862
00:49:03,576 --> 00:49:05,745
Governor Martinez signed
a death warrant.

863
00:49:05,779 --> 00:49:07,414
How long does he have?

864
00:49:07,414 --> 00:49:10,316
- 60 days?
- 7 days.

865
00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:13,420
Seven days.

866
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,155
Can he do that?

867
00:49:15,155 --> 00:49:18,425
It's irregular as hell,
but yeah, it's legal.

868
00:49:18,425 --> 00:49:21,327
He's ready to talk.

869
00:49:21,361 --> 00:49:23,596
- He wants the deal?
- Yes.

870
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,165
Said he's ready
to confess to everything,

871
00:49:25,165 --> 00:49:27,734
but he'll only talk
to one person.

872
00:49:27,767 --> 00:49:31,171
Well, it's about time.

873
00:49:31,204 --> 00:49:34,107
You hold his hand,
you tell him who to talk to,

874
00:49:34,174 --> 00:49:35,608
go in the room, be in there,

875
00:49:35,642 --> 00:49:38,278
make sure he talks
instead of playing his games.

876
00:49:38,345 --> 00:49:41,915
We've got seven days to close
god knows how many cases

877
00:49:41,948 --> 00:49:44,851
and put these girls
and their families to rest.

878
00:49:44,884 --> 00:49:46,553
Yeah, yeah.

879
00:49:46,619 --> 00:49:49,489
That I can do.

880
00:49:51,458 --> 00:49:53,860
We meet
on democracy's front porch,

881
00:49:53,893 --> 00:49:57,464
a good place to talk
as neighbors and as friends.

882
00:49:57,497 --> 00:50:01,234
For this is a day when
our nation is made whole,

883
00:50:01,267 --> 00:50:04,371
when our differences,
for a moment, are suspended.

884
00:50:04,371 --> 00:50:09,509
And my first act as president
is a prayer.

885
00:50:09,542 --> 00:50:11,411
I ask you to bow your heads:

886
00:50:11,478 --> 00:50:14,381
Heavenly father,
we bow our heads

887
00:50:14,381 --> 00:50:16,783
and thank you for your love.

888
00:50:16,816 --> 00:50:20,553
Accept our thanks for the peace
that yields this day

889
00:50:20,587 --> 00:50:24,958
and the shared faith that
makes its continuance likely.

890
00:50:24,991 --> 00:50:27,327
Make us strong to do your work,

891
00:50:27,394 --> 00:50:29,963
willing to heed
and hear your will...

892
00:50:39,673 --> 00:50:41,341
Thank you.

893
00:50:41,408 --> 00:50:44,978
Well, look, we ran away
from the FBI to join the circus.

894
00:50:45,110 --> 00:50:46,413
It's a madhouse here.

895
00:50:46,446 --> 00:50:47,947
We got phones ringing
off the hook.

896
00:50:47,981 --> 00:50:49,916
I got inspectors coming
from all over the country,

897
00:50:49,949 --> 00:50:51,985
got media camping out
across the street.

898
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:54,220
Now you're showing up
to join team Bundy.

899
00:50:54,254 --> 00:50:55,588
No, I'm just here to coordinate.

900
00:50:55,655 --> 00:50:57,524
Yeah, Carolyn's not
gonna see it that way.

901
00:50:57,524 --> 00:50:59,893
- Who?
- Oh, she's the ringmaster

902
00:50:59,926 --> 00:51:01,428
of barnum, Bailey, and Bundy.

903
00:51:01,461 --> 00:51:03,530
His civil attorney.

904
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:04,931
What does a civil attorney
have to do

905
00:51:04,964 --> 00:51:07,333
- with coordinating interviews?
- I don't know.

906
00:51:07,367 --> 00:51:09,235
You figure that out,
let me know.

907
00:51:09,269 --> 00:51:12,205
Oh, and also find out why
a civil attorney has to visit

908
00:51:12,238 --> 00:51:14,708
their client 80 times
in three years.

909
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:25,352
Okay.
We need all signed petitions.

910
00:51:25,385 --> 00:51:26,753
All signed letters.
That Tanner letter.

911
00:51:26,786 --> 00:51:28,988
- Let's find it.
- Hello.

912
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,224
You be special agent hagmaier.

913
00:51:31,257 --> 00:51:32,459
Mm-hmm. Bill.

914
00:51:32,459 --> 00:51:34,270
Mr. Bundy says good things.

915
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,290
Not exactly sure
how to take that.

916
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:38,798
- As a compliment.
- Excuse me.

917
00:51:38,832 --> 00:51:40,567
We're still putting together
the schedule.

918
00:51:40,633 --> 00:51:42,836
It was my understanding that
I was in charge of the schedule.

919
00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:44,537
Then you were misinformed.

920
00:51:44,571 --> 00:51:46,740
The governor's not gonna stand
for any more games.

921
00:51:46,773 --> 00:51:48,541
The governor
is the one playing games.

922
00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:50,977
He could've signed the death
warrant for 60 days, hell, 30.

923
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:52,479
He signed it for 7.

924
00:51:52,512 --> 00:51:54,547
He's thinking more
about his own reelection

925
00:51:54,581 --> 00:51:56,282
than he is about
doing what's right,

926
00:51:56,316 --> 00:51:58,180
and if he wants to play
politics, then so can we.

927
00:51:58,510 --> 00:51:59,419
This isn't the time to take

928
00:51:59,486 --> 00:52:00,920
a stand
against the death penalty.

929
00:52:00,954 --> 00:52:02,622
This is exactly the time
to take a stand against it.

930
00:52:02,655 --> 00:52:03,923
There are people desperate
to find out

931
00:52:03,957 --> 00:52:05,492
what happened
to their daughters.

932
00:52:05,492 --> 00:52:08,395
- And we need to...
- Bill.

933
00:52:08,428 --> 00:52:10,830
It's good to see you again.

934
00:52:10,864 --> 00:52:13,660
I wish it were under
different circumstances.

935
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:15,301
You and me both.

936
00:52:15,335 --> 00:52:17,370
Mr. Bundy, I was just
telling Mr. Hagmaier that...

937
00:52:17,404 --> 00:52:20,373
He will be in charge
of conducting interviews.

938
00:52:22,575 --> 00:52:26,120
I don't think that's wise.

939
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:28,810
Well, bill knows most
of the guys here.

940
00:52:28,114 --> 00:52:30,517
The ones he doesn't
know him by reputation.

941
00:52:30,517 --> 00:52:33,586
There's no one here
they'll trust more than him.

942
00:52:33,653 --> 00:52:34,821
Okay. If that's what you want.

943
00:52:34,854 --> 00:52:37,570
- It is.
- Okay.

944
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:38,792
Mr. Hagmaier, you can
be excused, and we'll...

945
00:52:38,825 --> 00:52:41,728
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What are you doing?

946
00:52:41,761 --> 00:52:43,430
We still need to brief
the investigators.

947
00:52:43,463 --> 00:52:45,398
Not without bill here.

948
00:52:45,432 --> 00:52:48,100
I would like to remind you
that he's law enforcement.

949
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:49,736
Right.

950
00:52:49,769 --> 00:52:51,971
- Right. Look.
- Yeah.

951
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:56,900
I need a moment with bill.

952
00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:00,130
I am not gonna leave you
alone with law enfor...

953
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:02,820
Carolyn.

954
00:53:02,115 --> 00:53:04,684
- Mm-hmm.
- I told you.

955
00:53:04,718 --> 00:53:07,787
This is different.

956
00:53:07,821 --> 00:53:09,389
This is bill.

957
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:13,526
He's my best friend.

958
00:53:16,796 --> 00:53:18,531
Okay.

959
00:53:21,101 --> 00:53:24,704
You know, we're gonna clear out
the room and let them...

960
00:53:24,738 --> 00:53:26,673
Let them have it.

961
00:53:38,785 --> 00:53:41,154
Bill, we both knew
this day would come.

962
00:53:41,187 --> 00:53:44,991
I'm absolutely certain that you
knew more about my activities

963
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:47,761
and thought processes
than I was comfortable with,

964
00:53:47,794 --> 00:53:49,963
more than you ever let on.

965
00:53:49,996 --> 00:53:52,365
How long have you known?

966
00:53:52,399 --> 00:53:54,868
Since the moment
you walked in here.

967
00:53:54,901 --> 00:53:56,936
Why didn't you
ever say anything?

968
00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:58,672
I didn't have to.

969
00:53:58,705 --> 00:54:00,540
How long have you known
that I knew.

970
00:54:00,573 --> 00:54:01,875
Since the first moment
you walked in here.

971
00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:03,410
Then why didn't you
say anything?

972
00:54:03,443 --> 00:54:05,145
Same reason.

973
00:54:05,178 --> 00:54:08,415
All this... Is it just theater?

974
00:54:08,448 --> 00:54:09,983
Or are you really gonna
go through with it?

975
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,752
- Can't it be both?
- No, it can't.

976
00:54:12,786 --> 00:54:15,455
The Florida supreme court came
back with their ruling tonight,

977
00:54:15,488 --> 00:54:17,123
7-2.

978
00:54:17,157 --> 00:54:19,192
I mean, I have one more appeal
with the U.S. supreme court,

979
00:54:19,225 --> 00:54:21,795
but they really mean to kill me.

980
00:54:21,828 --> 00:54:23,863
They really want to kill me.

981
00:54:23,897 --> 00:54:25,765
You think this is funny?

982
00:54:25,799 --> 00:54:27,834
You've been sitting here
for eight years.

983
00:54:27,867 --> 00:54:29,569
What do you think
they brought you here for?

984
00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:31,438
It's just now starting
to sink in?

985
00:54:31,471 --> 00:54:34,107
Y-Yeah. I knew it.

986
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,544
I knew I knew it,
but I just now thought about it.

987
00:54:37,577 --> 00:54:39,145
They're going to kill me.

988
00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:40,714
They're going to kill
my mother's son.

989
00:54:40,747 --> 00:54:43,183
Maybe they will.
Maybe they won't.

990
00:54:43,216 --> 00:54:45,785
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

991
00:54:45,819 --> 00:54:48,210
Let the bastards try, huh?

992
00:54:49,956 --> 00:54:52,859
Look, you've got to do this.
You've got to come clean.

993
00:54:52,892 --> 00:54:54,961
I will. I'm gonna do what
I can in a major way.

994
00:54:54,994 --> 00:54:57,300
I'm gonna give them the truth,
but in a measured manner.

995
00:54:57,630 --> 00:54:58,998
You can't hold
these girls hostage.

996
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Not anymore.
That tactic will backfire.

997
00:55:01,340 --> 00:55:04,370
If anyone senses that you're
stalling on this, you're cooked.

998
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:05,572
Oh, no, you're right.

999
00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:07,674
It's time to come clean.

1000
00:55:07,707 --> 00:55:09,743
But we still have a couple
of cards up our sleeve.

1001
00:55:09,776 --> 00:55:11,478
- Like what?
- You'll see.

1002
00:55:11,511 --> 00:55:13,146
You just focus on making sure
the investigators bring

1003
00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:16,249
the right material
and stay on track.

1004
00:55:16,282 --> 00:55:18,852
What's the plan?

1005
00:55:18,885 --> 00:55:21,870
There are investigators
coming in from Utah,

1006
00:55:21,121 --> 00:55:23,156
Colorado, Florida, Idaho,

1007
00:55:23,189 --> 00:55:24,891
Idaho? Why Idaho?

1008
00:55:24,924 --> 00:55:26,760
I've got a couple surprises
for them.

1009
00:55:26,793 --> 00:55:29,162
I told you, you can't play games
with the governor of Florida.

1010
00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:31,264
You're not in any position
to extend your life

1011
00:55:31,297 --> 00:55:33,500
by giving them some
Henry Lee Lucas kind of stuff.

1012
00:55:33,533 --> 00:55:35,502
- What are you talking about?
- Why Idaho?

1013
00:55:35,535 --> 00:55:37,570
Don't worry, Billy.
I got us covered.

1014
00:55:37,637 --> 00:55:40,173
- I dropped two in Idaho.
- "Billy, I got us covered"?

1015
00:55:40,206 --> 00:55:42,942
Why would I be happy that you
killed two girls in Idaho?

1016
00:55:42,976 --> 00:55:45,110
No, you're right. You're right.

1017
00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:47,213
But Florida isn't gonna
do anything for me.

1018
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,850
Colorado, Washington, Oregon,
Utah can't do anything for me.

1019
00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:52,118
But Idaho...

1020
00:55:52,152 --> 00:55:53,687
They're gonna ask for more time.

1021
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,221
And they can
petition the governor.

1022
00:55:55,221 --> 00:55:57,123
- Ted, you cannot...
- I'm not stalling.

1023
00:55:57,157 --> 00:55:58,658
I'm not playing games.

1024
00:55:58,692 --> 00:56:00,193
I'm coming clean.
And if that means bringing

1025
00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:01,861
other states into the mix,
then so be it.

1026
00:56:01,861 --> 00:56:03,229
- How many?
- Five.

1027
00:56:03,296 --> 00:56:04,998
Not how many states.
How many girls?

1028
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:07,567
- Am I talking about?
- How many did you kill?

1029
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,535
That.

1030
00:56:08,568 --> 00:56:10,970
Yes, that.

1031
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,539
Let's say 30.

1032
00:56:12,572 --> 00:56:14,107
Let's say we talk
about the real number.

1033
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:15,842
30 is a nice round number.

1034
00:56:15,875 --> 00:56:17,544
How many?

1035
00:56:17,577 --> 00:56:19,112
I don't know.

1036
00:56:19,145 --> 00:56:20,880
What do you mean you don't know?

1037
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,184
I didn't keep score,
and it gets confusing.

1038
00:56:24,217 --> 00:56:26,319
I don't understand
what gets so confusing.

1039
00:56:26,353 --> 00:56:28,888
I'm not even sure
all of them are dead.

1040
00:56:28,888 --> 00:56:30,590
There are several girls,

1041
00:56:30,623 --> 00:56:33,760
girls that I hit over the head
and put in my car.

1042
00:56:33,793 --> 00:56:35,161
When I would drag them
out to the woods.

1043
00:56:35,195 --> 00:56:38,310
They would wake up,
sometimes in my arms.

1044
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,700
Sometimes when I went back
to my car to get my tools.

1045
00:56:40,734 --> 00:56:42,168
They all took off
into the woods,

1046
00:56:42,202 --> 00:56:44,571
and I couldn't find them.

1047
00:56:44,637 --> 00:56:45,872
I'd go home.

1048
00:56:45,905 --> 00:56:48,808
I'd watch the news,
but not a peep.

1049
00:56:48,842 --> 00:56:50,643
No news.

1050
00:56:50,643 --> 00:56:52,779
So did they run home
and change their name,

1051
00:56:52,812 --> 00:56:54,247
never to tell anyone
what happened,

1052
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,649
afraid that I would
come back and try again?

1053
00:56:56,716 --> 00:56:58,752
Or did they die in those woods?
I don't know.

1054
00:56:58,785 --> 00:57:02,355
So, it could be more than 30?

1055
00:57:02,389 --> 00:57:04,257
Then there are the dry runs.

1056
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:05,825
Dry runs.

1057
00:57:05,859 --> 00:57:07,360
There are a lot
of girls I stalked,

1058
00:57:07,394 --> 00:57:10,296
learned everything about,
staked out my spot,

1059
00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:13,660
walked up to their door,
passed them on the street,

1060
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:14,634
and just walked away.

1061
00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:16,136
Why?

1062
00:57:16,169 --> 00:57:18,672
Because every time
I did this, I asked myself,

1063
00:57:18,672 --> 00:57:20,206
am I going to kill this girl?

1064
00:57:20,206 --> 00:57:22,876
Sometimes I said no,
and I never went back for her.

1065
00:57:22,909 --> 00:57:24,577
I didn't understand.

1066
00:57:24,644 --> 00:57:26,312
Because the minute I say no
and couldn't walk away,

1067
00:57:26,312 --> 00:57:29,215
it was the minute I was
on the road to being caught.

1068
00:57:29,282 --> 00:57:32,686
Diane leach.

1069
00:57:32,752 --> 00:57:36,156
I couldn't say no.

1070
00:57:36,189 --> 00:57:38,224
She was a mistake.

1071
00:57:38,224 --> 00:57:40,126
I should never have killed
a 12-year-old girl.

1072
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,695
- She was a mistake?
- Yes.

1073
00:57:41,695 --> 00:57:44,597
- And the others?
- Choices.

1074
00:57:44,664 --> 00:57:47,330
Can't really call those
mistakes, can I?

1075
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:48,835
So 30.

1076
00:57:51,104 --> 00:57:53,306
I can for sure admit to 30.

1077
00:57:55,408 --> 00:57:58,678
Why am I here, really?

1078
00:57:58,712 --> 00:58:02,615
Bill, we've spent a good deal
of time together.

1079
00:58:02,682 --> 00:58:04,951
Not as much as some
of the others.

1080
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,355
Yes, but you knew all along,

1081
00:58:08,421 --> 00:58:10,357
and you treated me
like a human being.

1082
00:58:10,423 --> 00:58:12,625
You just wanted to understand.

1083
00:58:12,692 --> 00:58:14,728
I still do.

1084
00:58:14,728 --> 00:58:17,997
That's why you're here.

1085
00:58:17,997 --> 00:58:19,899
Each of the investigators
get two hours.

1086
00:58:19,966 --> 00:58:22,335
I have a handful
of other interviews.

1087
00:58:22,369 --> 00:58:24,371
And then
when everything is clear,

1088
00:58:24,437 --> 00:58:26,873
you and I will sit down
and have the conversation

1089
00:58:26,906 --> 00:58:29,275
you've wanted this whole time.

1090
00:58:29,275 --> 00:58:31,878
What are you going to tell me?

1091
00:58:31,911 --> 00:58:34,140
Everything.

1092
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,126
What's this... gizmo?

1093
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,461
This will pick up everything
you're saying

1094
00:58:48,495 --> 00:58:51,831
and everything that we're saying
over here on the other side.

1095
00:58:51,865 --> 00:58:54,100
Well, let's just
get it out in the open now.

1096
00:58:54,134 --> 00:58:57,370
Mike, I know you have
some intense feelings about me.

1097
00:58:57,103 --> 00:58:59,139
- No.
- Well, you may or you may not,

1098
00:58:59,172 --> 00:59:00,674
but if you think
I'm bullshitting you,

1099
00:59:00,740 --> 00:59:01,908
you tell me.

1100
00:59:01,941 --> 00:59:03,677
If I thought you
were just gonna...

1101
00:59:03,743 --> 00:59:06,120
Jack it around all day,
I wouldn't be here.

1102
00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:08,480
All right.

1103
00:59:08,114 --> 00:59:09,683
I've been sent here
to talk to you

1104
00:59:09,749 --> 00:59:11,170
about grand junction.

1105
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:12,852
Where?

1106
00:59:12,919 --> 00:59:15,121
And vale.

1107
00:59:15,155 --> 00:59:18,925
Let's start with
bountiful, Utah.

1108
00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:20,427
I really need a map for that.

1109
00:59:20,493 --> 00:59:22,328
Eugene, Oregon.

1110
00:59:22,328 --> 00:59:26,800
And then we'll move on
to west linn and in corvallis.

1111
00:59:26,866 --> 00:59:31,805
So, where exactly, Mr. Bundy,
did you take these girls from?

1112
00:59:31,871 --> 00:59:33,306
- Excuse me?
- Well, there are a number

1113
00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:36,760
of unsolved disappearances
in the state of Idaho.

1114
00:59:36,142 --> 00:59:38,440
Frankly, sir, we have no idea

1115
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:39,412
which victims are yours.

1116
00:59:39,446 --> 00:59:41,414
Is there any need
as far as the western slope

1117
00:59:41,448 --> 00:59:42,882
of Colorado is concerned,

1118
00:59:42,949 --> 00:59:46,186
for us to go back before 1975,

1119
00:59:46,219 --> 00:59:48,988
maybe even as far back as '68?

1120
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:51,458
No.

1121
00:59:51,524 --> 00:59:54,600
I didn't get to Colorado
until '75.

1122
00:59:54,940 --> 00:59:55,795
I really need a map for that.

1123
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:57,831
I mean, didn't your
office tell you.

1124
00:59:57,897 --> 01:00:00,233
Yes, we're trying to get maps
down here as soon as possible.

1125
01:00:00,266 --> 01:00:01,468
The clock is ticking here, so...

1126
01:00:01,468 --> 01:00:02,802
If you want
to describe the area,

1127
01:00:02,836 --> 01:00:04,700
I know it pretty well.

1128
01:00:04,104 --> 01:00:05,438
I could try.

1129
01:00:05,472 --> 01:00:07,841
Well, that was a long time ago.

1130
01:00:07,907 --> 01:00:09,750
I mean, that was...

1131
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:14,247
There were... a lot...

1132
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,383
There were a lot of girls
since then.

1133
01:00:16,383 --> 01:00:18,852
Did you clean the car
afterwards.

1134
01:00:18,918 --> 01:00:20,860
I don't remember.

1135
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,220
If you were driving
60 miles an hour

1136
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,240
traveling south for...

1137
01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:28,561
Didn't think there'd be math
on this test, did you?

1138
01:00:28,561 --> 01:00:31,297
- No, I did not.
- No, no, me neither.

1139
01:00:31,364 --> 01:00:34,401
You said that was north
of pocatello, yeah?

1140
01:00:34,467 --> 01:00:36,200
- I don't know its name.
- Okay.

1141
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,504
But you drowned her there.

1142
01:00:37,504 --> 01:00:39,572
No, I drowned her
in my hotel room.

1143
01:00:39,572 --> 01:00:41,574
I only dumped her body
in the river.

1144
01:00:41,574 --> 01:00:44,144
And then what did you do...

1145
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:46,946
After you killed her?

1146
01:00:46,946 --> 01:00:49,490
I'm trying to work
with you here.

1147
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:50,116
I know.

1148
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:51,484
Look...

1149
01:00:51,518 --> 01:00:54,320
I think we're getting
close to lunch.

1150
01:00:56,156 --> 01:00:58,240
Alright. Let's break for lunch.

1151
01:00:58,580 --> 01:00:59,793
We'll resume this after.

1152
01:00:59,859 --> 01:01:01,227
Y...

1153
01:01:03,963 --> 01:01:05,331
You're stalling.

1154
01:01:05,331 --> 01:01:07,967
No, I'm lying.
There's a difference.

1155
01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:10,236
What happened to giving up
everything in a major way?

1156
01:01:10,303 --> 01:01:11,971
- You didn't see it.
- See what?

1157
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:15,975
- He knew her.
- What? Bull.

1158
01:01:15,975 --> 01:01:17,510
- How could you tell?
- I don't know.

1159
01:01:17,544 --> 01:01:20,146
I don't know. Something
in the way he talked about it.

1160
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:21,881
I don't know.
It was in his eyes.

1161
01:01:21,915 --> 01:01:23,616
I don't know if they were dating
or romantic or whatever,

1162
01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:25,518
but he had a relationship
with that girl.

1163
01:01:25,518 --> 01:01:27,187
Well, I didn't see it.

1164
01:01:27,253 --> 01:01:28,988
That's because you
weren't sitting across from him.

1165
01:01:28,988 --> 01:01:30,323
- You would've if you were.
- So, you didn't tell him...

1166
01:01:30,357 --> 01:01:31,925
Because I didn't want
to tell that guy

1167
01:01:31,991 --> 01:01:33,259
that I made love
to his dead girlfriend

1168
01:01:33,259 --> 01:01:36,463
right before I cut her head
clean off.

1169
01:01:36,529 --> 01:01:39,432
Jesus.

1170
01:01:41,368 --> 01:01:45,105
I'm going to lunch.

1171
01:02:01,588 --> 01:02:04,190
Okay. Let's go back
to grand junction.

1172
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:06,260
May I ask you something,
just briefly.

1173
01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:09,290
- Certainly.
- Did you know her?

1174
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:14,934
Yes, I did.

1175
01:02:14,934 --> 01:02:18,380
I had a feeling.
I could just, uh...

1176
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:19,673
Sense the emotion.

1177
01:02:19,706 --> 01:02:21,141
Yeah. Well...

1178
01:02:23,643 --> 01:02:24,944
It's an emotional thing.

1179
01:02:24,978 --> 01:02:26,413
Sure, I know that.

1180
01:02:26,479 --> 01:02:28,214
I would appreciate it
if you didn't let that

1181
01:02:28,248 --> 01:02:30,116
color our conversation here.

1182
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:31,484
I think we should
move on to vale.

1183
01:02:31,518 --> 01:02:33,386
I still have a few more
questions about...

1184
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:34,587
Vale.

1185
01:02:34,654 --> 01:02:35,588
You drive back safe.

1186
01:02:35,655 --> 01:02:37,223
Yeah.

1187
01:02:55,241 --> 01:02:57,911
So, about tomorrow.

1188
01:02:57,977 --> 01:03:00,447
- You mean the dobson thing.
- What dobson thing?

1189
01:03:00,447 --> 01:03:05,850
Some radio preacher,
televangelist.

1190
01:03:05,151 --> 01:03:06,353
Carolyn set it up.

1191
01:03:06,419 --> 01:03:07,654
We said no media

1192
01:03:07,687 --> 01:03:11,910
we'll you'll have
to talk to Carolyn.

1193
01:03:12,692 --> 01:03:16,262
Okay. Can you do me a favor?
Put your father on.

1194
01:03:16,296 --> 01:03:18,531
Hi.

1195
01:03:18,565 --> 01:03:20,266
Yeah, no, it's...

1196
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:23,370
No easier today, no.

1197
01:03:23,436 --> 01:03:27,207
Oh, yeah. Comes with
the territory, right?

1198
01:03:27,207 --> 01:03:29,576
Uh-huh.

1199
01:03:29,642 --> 01:03:32,120
Yeah, no, I'm leaving now.

1200
01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:35,115
Mm-hmm. I should, uh...

1201
01:03:35,181 --> 01:03:37,283
I should go.

1202
01:03:37,317 --> 01:03:40,553
Okay. Yes. I will see you soon.

1203
01:03:40,553 --> 01:03:42,589
Yeah. Okay.

1204
01:03:42,655 --> 01:03:44,491
Okay, yeah.

1205
01:03:44,557 --> 01:03:46,393
Yes, got to go. Okay. Bye.

1206
01:03:46,459 --> 01:03:48,495
What's the schedule tomorrow?

1207
01:03:48,495 --> 01:03:51,310
- You have a very light day.
- I mean dobson.

1208
01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:52,565
You won't be needed for that.

1209
01:03:52,565 --> 01:03:54,401
All of the interviews
are supposed to go through me.

1210
01:03:54,401 --> 01:03:56,102
All the law enforcement
interviews were to be

1211
01:03:56,136 --> 01:03:57,470
scheduled through you,
and they were.

1212
01:03:57,504 --> 01:03:59,390
What the heck are you trying
to pull here?

1213
01:03:59,390 --> 01:04:00,306
I'm just trying
to give my client a chance

1214
01:04:00,306 --> 01:04:02,308
to tell his side of the story.

1215
01:04:02,342 --> 01:04:04,770
Do you think dobson will
petition the government for...

1216
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:06,579
Dr. Dobson
is a very well connected man.

1217
01:04:06,579 --> 01:04:08,515
- We said no media.
- And he knows the rules.

1218
01:04:08,581 --> 01:04:09,983
He just wants to talk to him.

1219
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:11,518
Ted will tell him what
he wants to hear.

1220
01:04:11,518 --> 01:04:14,220
- He wants a poster boy.
- And we'll give it to him.

1221
01:04:20,593 --> 01:04:23,697
Dr. Dobson, this is
special agent bill hagmaier.

1222
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:25,365
- Special agent.
- Doctor.

1223
01:04:25,432 --> 01:04:27,300
It's good to meet you.
I've heard a lot about you.

1224
01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:29,269
You're doing
the lord's work here.

1225
01:04:29,335 --> 01:04:31,400
We've done what we can.

1226
01:04:31,710 --> 01:04:32,238
But we still have
a lot of investigators

1227
01:04:32,238 --> 01:04:34,441
left to squeeze in.

1228
01:04:34,507 --> 01:04:37,243
Well, your two hours
are counting down.

1229
01:04:37,243 --> 01:04:38,678
I won't keep you.

1230
01:04:42,782 --> 01:04:44,818
Carolyn, I'm going
to check on our setup.

1231
01:04:44,851 --> 01:04:47,554
- Mm-hmm.
- Get me something to drink.

1232
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:49,289
That was rude.

1233
01:04:49,356 --> 01:04:51,391
How long of an interview
can he get with all the setup?

1234
01:04:51,391 --> 01:04:52,625
The setup doesn't count.

1235
01:04:52,659 --> 01:04:54,461
What do you mean
it doesn't count?

1236
01:04:54,527 --> 01:04:56,290
This is a real production.

1237
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,630
You don't just
point a camera and shoot.

1238
01:04:57,664 --> 01:05:00,533
How long?

1239
01:05:00,567 --> 01:05:01,768
We have seven hours blocked.

1240
01:05:01,801 --> 01:05:04,270
- Seven hours?!
- Correct.

1241
01:05:06,306 --> 01:05:07,841
He's guilty.

1242
01:05:07,874 --> 01:05:12,312
This won't help anyone.

1243
01:05:12,379 --> 01:05:14,114
Excuse me.

1244
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:24,391
You are guilty of
killing many women and girls.

1245
01:05:24,424 --> 01:05:27,494
Is that correct?

1246
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,229
Yes.

1247
01:05:29,295 --> 01:05:31,197
Yes, that's true.

1248
01:05:33,633 --> 01:05:36,336
Ted, how did it happen?

1249
01:05:36,403 --> 01:05:37,504
Take me back.

1250
01:05:37,570 --> 01:05:40,507
So much grief, so much sorrow,

1251
01:05:40,573 --> 01:05:43,810
so much pain for so many people.

1252
01:05:43,843 --> 01:05:45,178
Where did it start?

1253
01:05:45,211 --> 01:05:48,810
How did this moment come about?

1254
01:05:49,749 --> 01:05:51,251
That's part of the tragedy

1255
01:05:51,317 --> 01:05:53,353
of this whole situation,

1256
01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:56,656
because I grew up
in a wonderful home

1257
01:05:56,690 --> 01:06:00,427
with two dedicated
and loving parents.

1258
01:06:00,460 --> 01:06:04,764
I'm one of five
brothers and sisters.

1259
01:06:04,798 --> 01:06:08,668
But as a boy,

1260
01:06:08,702 --> 01:06:10,904
and I...

1261
01:06:10,937 --> 01:06:16,443
And I mean 12, 13...

1262
01:06:16,443 --> 01:06:18,611
I encountered,

1263
01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:20,447
outside of the home again,

1264
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,917
in the local grocery stores,

1265
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:26,353
the local drugstores,

1266
01:06:26,353 --> 01:06:29,789
soft core *******.

1267
01:06:29,823 --> 01:06:31,358
Soft core,

1268
01:06:31,358 --> 01:06:34,461
what people call soft core.

1269
01:06:34,461 --> 01:06:38,565
And as I think I explained
to you last night, Dr. Dobson,

1270
01:06:38,631 --> 01:06:41,901
an anecdote, as boys do,

1271
01:06:41,935 --> 01:06:47,240
we would explore
the back roads and sideways

1272
01:06:47,273 --> 01:06:49,676
and byways of our neighborhood.

1273
01:06:49,709 --> 01:06:53,913
And often times,
people would dump the garbage

1274
01:06:53,947 --> 01:06:57,183
or whatever they were clearing
out of their house.

1275
01:06:57,217 --> 01:06:59,953
From time to time,
we'd come across

1276
01:06:59,986 --> 01:07:02,522
old ******** books

1277
01:07:02,555 --> 01:07:05,492
of a harder, more explicit,

1278
01:07:05,492 --> 01:07:07,193
graphic nature

1279
01:07:07,227 --> 01:07:08,762
than what we'd encounter

1280
01:07:08,795 --> 01:07:11,865
in, say,
your local grocery store.

1281
01:07:11,898 --> 01:07:13,767
And this included such things

1282
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,169
as detective magazines.

1283
01:07:16,202 --> 01:07:18,338
Those involved violence.

1284
01:07:18,405 --> 01:07:21,975
Yes, this is something
I want to emphasize,

1285
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:23,576
is the... the...

1286
01:07:23,643 --> 01:07:27,414
The most damaging kinds
of ******* in...

1287
01:07:27,414 --> 01:07:31,351
And again, I'm talking
from personal experience here,

1288
01:07:31,418 --> 01:07:35,789
hard real personal experience,

1289
01:07:35,822 --> 01:07:39,926
are those that involve violence,
***ual violence,

1290
01:07:39,959 --> 01:07:43,596
because of the wedding
of those two forces,

1291
01:07:43,663 --> 01:07:47,767
I only know too well,

1292
01:07:47,801 --> 01:07:52,272
brings out a behavior
that is just...

1293
01:07:52,305 --> 01:07:56,443
Too terrible to describe.

1294
01:07:56,443 --> 01:07:59,346
We are your sons,
and we are your husbands,

1295
01:07:59,379 --> 01:08:02,449
and we grew up
in regular families.

1296
01:08:02,482 --> 01:08:05,819
And ******* can reach out

1297
01:08:05,852 --> 01:08:08,922
and snatch a kid out
of any house.

1298
01:08:08,955 --> 01:08:11,324
It snatched me out of my home

1299
01:08:11,358 --> 01:08:13,393
20, 30 years ago.

1300
01:08:19,833 --> 01:08:22,369
As good a Christian home...

1301
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,610
Were you happy
with the interview.

1302
01:08:48,940 --> 01:08:49,763
Very.

1303
01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:52,866
His message is going
to go out to the world

1304
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:56,302
and save untold thousands
of lives and souls.

1305
01:08:56,336 --> 01:08:59,720
- And the governor?
- Is going to love this.

1306
01:08:59,105 --> 01:09:01,374
So, you'll talk to him.

1307
01:09:05,512 --> 01:09:08,682
The governor was never
going to pardon him.

1308
01:09:08,715 --> 01:09:11,451
He's a murderer.

1309
01:09:11,518 --> 01:09:13,720
But now he can go on
to meet the lord

1310
01:09:13,753 --> 01:09:17,524
with a clean soul
and an unburdened heart.

1311
01:09:17,524 --> 01:09:20,593
Thank you for this
tremendous experience.

1312
01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:22,595
This is going to change lives.

1313
01:09:22,662 --> 01:09:25,532
And now, if you'll excuse me,
I have to go across the street.

1314
01:09:25,565 --> 01:09:27,100
No, we had
an agreement. No press!

1315
01:09:27,133 --> 01:09:28,368
This is too big.

1316
01:09:28,401 --> 01:09:29,736
The world needs to know why

1317
01:09:29,769 --> 01:09:31,438
he killed those girls.

1318
01:09:31,471 --> 01:09:33,340
It was a pleasure meeting you,
bill.

1319
01:09:33,373 --> 01:09:34,741
Yeah, hi. It's me.

1320
01:09:34,774 --> 01:09:37,677
I need everyone down here asap.

1321
01:10:04,971 --> 01:10:07,874
Today in Florida,
a notorious serial killer is

1322
01:10:07,907 --> 01:10:10,977
sustaining a string of very
last-minute confessions.

1323
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:14,581
Ted Bundy is trying
to stay his execution,

1324
01:10:14,647 --> 01:10:17,517
which is scheduled for tomorrow
in the electric chair.

1325
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:19,486
Ted Bundy has now confessed
to at least some

1326
01:10:19,519 --> 01:10:21,554
of the violent murders
he's suspected of,

1327
01:10:21,588 --> 01:10:24,491
bringing some measure of relief
to the victims families.

1328
01:10:24,524 --> 01:10:26,393
Jennifer strother
was a co-worker

1329
01:10:26,426 --> 01:10:29,162
of Julie Cunningham,
a vale ski shop employee.

1330
01:10:29,195 --> 01:10:30,897
Bundy has confessed to killing.

1331
01:10:45,450 --> 01:10:47,681
Bill. Word?

1332
01:10:50,784 --> 01:10:53,853
Bundy's people are calling
for a sanity hearing.

1333
01:10:53,887 --> 01:10:57,123
Well, that's straight
out of the playbook.

1334
01:10:57,157 --> 01:10:58,858
Governor will send down
his people,

1335
01:10:58,892 --> 01:11:00,393
who will find him sane,

1336
01:11:00,427 --> 01:11:02,462
as the governor
has instructed them to do.

1337
01:11:02,495 --> 01:11:04,798
And then, of course,
Carolyn will call in her team

1338
01:11:04,831 --> 01:11:06,499
of heavy hitters, who will...

1339
01:11:06,533 --> 01:11:08,568
They'll find him nuts,
whether he is or not.

1340
01:11:08,635 --> 01:11:10,470
Whether he is or not.

1341
01:11:10,503 --> 01:11:12,500
So, it will come down

1342
01:11:12,380 --> 01:11:14,774
to any interviewing
law enforcement officials

1343
01:11:14,808 --> 01:11:17,944
who spent significant time
with him.

1344
01:11:24,484 --> 01:11:26,886
You're saying I'm the guy
that's actually gonna decide

1345
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,955
whether or not
he gets the chair.

1346
01:11:28,988 --> 01:11:33,159
It's a hell of a thing
to put on to a man, but yes.

1347
01:11:37,197 --> 01:11:38,765
That's who you want
to be president.

1348
01:11:38,798 --> 01:11:40,500
Former head of the CIA.
That's who you want.

1349
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:42,836
Some one who knows
what it's like on the ground.

1350
01:11:42,869 --> 01:11:45,238
- Absolutely. Absolutely.
- You know?

1351
01:11:45,271 --> 01:11:47,974
- Get stuff done.
- Get it done. Get it done.

1352
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,210
Hey, bill, you've met
assistant warden Decker, right?

1353
01:11:50,243 --> 01:11:53,847
Yeah, I think we met at
the crime in america conference.

1354
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,448
I don't remember.

1355
01:11:55,482 --> 01:11:58,485
Good evening, everyone.

1356
01:11:58,518 --> 01:12:00,553
Ted Bundy has 13 hours to live,

1357
01:12:00,587 --> 01:12:04,900
and he is using those hours to
try to buy himself more time.

1358
01:12:04,124 --> 01:12:06,590
Shortly after 2:30
this afternoon,

1359
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,928
a diesel engine that will
power tomorrow's execution

1360
01:12:08,962 --> 01:12:11,698
arrived at the Florida
state prison for testing,

1361
01:12:11,731 --> 01:12:14,634
showing the first signs
of what is to come.

1362
01:12:14,667 --> 01:12:18,872
You said he wanted to
do something for the families.

1363
01:12:18,905 --> 01:12:20,940
You don't exactly have a lot
of time left to do that.

1364
01:12:20,974 --> 01:12:23,777
We're still
waiting on the court.

1365
01:12:26,312 --> 01:12:28,810
Bundy t-shirts for sale.

1366
01:12:28,114 --> 01:12:30,483
This one says,
"burn, Bundy, burn."

1367
01:12:30,517 --> 01:12:32,285
And the vendor says
business is good.

1368
01:12:32,318 --> 01:12:34,854
I'm not making a lot
of money on this.

1369
01:12:34,921 --> 01:12:36,222
But I'm getting the message out.

1370
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:48,802
And they say I'm crazy.

1371
01:12:52,605 --> 01:12:55,875
The governor isn't gonna call.

1372
01:12:55,875 --> 01:12:58,244
This is it, right?

1373
01:12:58,311 --> 01:13:02,749
The governor has identified
three psychiatrists, good ones.

1374
01:13:02,782 --> 01:13:04,617
They're interviewing staff,
administrators,

1375
01:13:04,684 --> 01:13:06,820
anyone who's come
in contact with you

1376
01:13:06,853 --> 01:13:08,755
to ask
if they've noticed any change

1377
01:13:08,788 --> 01:13:10,256
in your behavior
over the last week.

1378
01:13:10,256 --> 01:13:12,580
Well, that's alright.

1379
01:13:16,262 --> 01:13:18,698
They're gonna ask you.

1380
01:13:18,732 --> 01:13:20,660
I mean, who have you
spent more time with

1381
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:21,634
over the last three days?

1382
01:13:21,634 --> 01:13:24,204
And if you tell them
that I'm not crazy...

1383
01:13:24,237 --> 01:13:26,639
I'll be executed.

1384
01:13:26,639 --> 01:13:29,542
That is the likeliest outcome.

1385
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:47,660
I need to make a phone call.

1386
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:48,862
Yeah, you have all the calls...

1387
01:13:48,895 --> 01:13:50,196
To my mother.

1388
01:13:52,732 --> 01:13:55,635
What the hell do I say to her,
bill?

1389
01:13:55,668 --> 01:13:59,205
- I don't know how to...
- You tell the truth.

1390
01:13:59,272 --> 01:14:02,575
You apologize.
You say you're sorry.

1391
01:14:05,945 --> 01:14:08,181
Write her a letter.

1392
01:14:08,214 --> 01:14:10,150
I don't know how
to write that, bill.

1393
01:14:24,164 --> 01:14:26,966
Alright. Let's work this out.

1394
01:14:38,178 --> 01:14:40,460
Here you go.

1395
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,250
Well, you're asking me
to do something.

1396
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:48,722
Just start with, "dear mom."

1397
01:14:55,829 --> 01:14:57,364
Dear...

1398
01:14:57,364 --> 01:14:59,799
How long's it been
since you've talked to her?

1399
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:06,139
- Three years.
- We'll start with that.

1400
01:15:27,994 --> 01:15:30,397
You only have a few hours left.

1401
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,168
What did you have in mind?

1402
01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:41,141
You told me once,
when you were ready,

1403
01:15:41,174 --> 01:15:44,210
you'd take me under the water.

1404
01:15:44,277 --> 01:15:47,130
I did.

1405
01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:48,281
So...

1406
01:15:50,216 --> 01:15:52,520
where are we going?

1407
01:15:55,488 --> 01:15:57,190
I'm, uh...

1408
01:15:57,223 --> 01:15:58,224
Pretty tired.

1409
01:15:58,224 --> 01:15:59,793
I think I should get some rest

1410
01:15:59,793 --> 01:16:02,395
before the morning.

1411
01:16:02,429 --> 01:16:04,130
Ted...

1412
01:16:04,164 --> 01:16:06,332
You said you wanted to confess,

1413
01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:07,934
tell the truth.

1414
01:16:07,967 --> 01:16:09,969
You can't get right with god,

1415
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,939
holding all that in.

1416
01:16:12,972 --> 01:16:16,876
If you consider me a friend...

1417
01:17:01,187 --> 01:17:04,391
I'm going to...

1418
01:17:04,457 --> 01:17:07,494
Take you somewhere...

1419
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,310
That I've never
taken anyone before.

1420
01:17:15,101 --> 01:17:17,370
And I will do the talking.

1421
01:17:32,318 --> 01:17:34,154
She's...

1422
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:35,889
Beautiful.

1423
01:17:35,955 --> 01:17:37,957
She's...

1424
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,126
Radiant.

1425
01:17:41,861 --> 01:17:44,330
And very familiar.

1426
01:17:46,433 --> 01:17:48,968
Her dad is sick.

1427
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:50,303
He's, uh...

1428
01:17:50,336 --> 01:17:52,339
He's in and out of the hospital.

1429
01:17:52,405 --> 01:17:55,141
I hear her talking about it

1430
01:17:55,175 --> 01:17:58,345
over a pay phone.

1431
01:17:58,345 --> 01:18:01,981
He has heart problems.

1432
01:18:01,981 --> 01:18:03,516
I have a badge

1433
01:18:03,516 --> 01:18:05,919
that I got in the usual way,

1434
01:18:05,985 --> 01:18:09,550
a local police badge.

1435
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:11,257
And tonight...

1436
01:18:11,324 --> 01:18:13,893
Full moon.

1437
01:18:13,893 --> 01:18:15,428
She looks amazing.

1438
01:18:15,462 --> 01:18:18,465
She's exactly like one
of the girls from the magazines.

1439
01:18:18,465 --> 01:18:20,533
- The detective magazines.
- Spitting image.

1440
01:18:20,533 --> 01:18:22,435
Walk up to her.

1441
01:18:22,469 --> 01:18:24,471
I'm officer Ted,

1442
01:18:24,537 --> 01:18:26,720
officer Ted Bundy.

1443
01:18:26,106 --> 01:18:27,273
Something's happened.

1444
01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:29,209
She goes pale.
"What do you mean?"

1445
01:18:29,209 --> 01:18:30,844
"Your father's
had a heart attack.

1446
01:18:30,910 --> 01:18:33,480
I was sent to find you.
My car is over this way."

1447
01:18:33,546 --> 01:18:35,949
She rushes with me.
It all happened so fast.

1448
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,284
She doesn't have time
to clock the police officer

1449
01:18:38,284 --> 01:18:40,220
is picking her up
in a Volkswagen.

1450
01:18:40,286 --> 01:18:42,188
I open the door for her.

1451
01:18:42,188 --> 01:18:45,291
Before she realizes there's
no passenger seat, wham!

1452
01:18:45,358 --> 01:18:46,926
I hit her
in the back of the head

1453
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,195
with a tire iron.

1454
01:18:49,195 --> 01:18:50,397
She's out.

1455
01:18:50,397 --> 01:18:53,299
Isn't she beautiful?

1456
01:18:53,366 --> 01:18:55,935
Her dark hair parted
down the middle.

1457
01:18:55,935 --> 01:18:58,672
Gorgeous.

1458
01:18:58,705 --> 01:19:01,508
I want her so bad.

1459
01:19:01,508 --> 01:19:03,243
But no.

1460
01:19:03,309 --> 01:19:05,512
Not yet.

1461
01:19:05,512 --> 01:19:08,948
Stick to the plan.
Just a few more miles.

1462
01:19:08,982 --> 01:19:11,518
You can do whatever you want.

1463
01:19:11,584 --> 01:19:14,988
The air is cold. It's crisp.

1464
01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:16,523
Now we're there. We're there.

1465
01:19:16,523 --> 01:19:18,580
I drag her out of the car.

1466
01:19:18,124 --> 01:19:19,426
I drag her through the woods

1467
01:19:19,492 --> 01:19:22,228
to the place I have
all picked out.

1468
01:19:22,228 --> 01:19:23,430
That spot.

1469
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:25,665
She's lying there
in the moonlight.

1470
01:19:25,699 --> 01:19:28,234
Her curves, her skin,
her blouse.

1471
01:19:28,268 --> 01:19:30,336
I can see her curves.

1472
01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:35,608
Don't get caught.
That's how you don't get caught.

1473
01:19:35,642 --> 01:19:37,677
I need my kit. It's in the car.

1474
01:19:37,711 --> 01:19:41,147
Back of the wheel well.
Get rid of it after I'm done.

1475
01:19:41,181 --> 01:19:43,216
Never use the same kit twice.
That's you get caught.

1476
01:19:43,249 --> 01:19:44,684
You didn't let them
catch you with it.

1477
01:19:44,718 --> 01:19:46,619
You got to know
where to drop it.

1478
01:19:46,653 --> 01:19:49,255
And I undress her.

1479
01:19:51,358 --> 01:19:54,427
I wrap the garrot
around her neck.

1480
01:19:54,461 --> 01:19:58,198
And I bend her over.

1481
01:19:58,264 --> 01:20:01,301
And I wake her with
the smelling salts.

1482
01:20:01,368 --> 01:20:04,270
And she wakes, and she screams.

1483
01:20:04,270 --> 01:20:06,673
Shhhhhh!

1484
01:20:06,706 --> 01:20:09,275
"Please, please, please,
don't do this."

1485
01:20:09,275 --> 01:20:11,478
Don't cry. Don't cry.

1486
01:20:11,544 --> 01:20:15,281
- Just be quiet.
- Please, don't do this.

1487
01:20:15,315 --> 01:20:19,119
I live out all the fantasies.

1488
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:20,487
I **** her until I...

1489
01:20:20,487 --> 01:20:22,220
I've ever dreamed of.

1490
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:23,223
It's just that moment.

1491
01:20:23,289 --> 01:20:25,658
I wrap the garrot tighter.

1492
01:20:25,692 --> 01:20:26,760
I wring her neck.

1493
01:20:26,793 --> 01:20:28,395
I choke her. She's bucking.

1494
01:20:28,461 --> 01:20:31,310
She's gasping.

1495
01:20:32,650 --> 01:20:35,668
Oh!

1496
01:20:35,702 --> 01:20:38,772
I feel her going limp.

1497
01:20:38,805 --> 01:20:41,708
And...

1498
01:20:41,741 --> 01:20:43,476
I wrap her...

1499
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:45,512
I wrap my arms around her.

1500
01:20:52,686 --> 01:20:55,422
And I turn her around.

1501
01:20:59,225 --> 01:21:02,495
And I kiss her.

1502
01:21:02,529 --> 01:21:06,433
I swallow her last breath whole.

1503
01:21:10,103 --> 01:21:13,600
She knows.

1504
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:15,241
She knows...

1505
01:21:15,275 --> 01:21:17,510
That it's her last moments
on earth.

1506
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:19,746
- And she's mine.
- This is it.

1507
01:21:19,779 --> 01:21:21,648
This is it.

1508
01:21:21,681 --> 01:21:23,717
She's mine.

1509
01:22:08,695 --> 01:22:11,640
We went out for food.

1510
01:22:11,131 --> 01:22:14,334
But nothing was open this late
but a gas station.

1511
01:22:14,401 --> 01:22:16,503
Thanks.

1512
01:22:21,441 --> 01:22:23,209
So, what'd he tell you?

1513
01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:34,587
Special agent.

1514
01:22:34,587 --> 01:22:36,456
Governor's team
is ready for you now.

1515
01:22:40,660 --> 01:22:42,529
Alright.

1516
01:22:42,529 --> 01:22:45,865
I think we have
everything we need.

1517
01:22:48,902 --> 01:22:51,805
- Okay.
- Yeah.

1518
01:22:51,838 --> 01:22:54,541
Thank you for your time,
agent hagmaier.

1519
01:23:22,235 --> 01:23:23,937
I failed.

1520
01:23:26,539 --> 01:23:29,709
No one could've saved him
after what he's done.

1521
01:23:32,579 --> 01:23:35,482
Carolyn...

1522
01:23:35,482 --> 01:23:37,717
You need to go home
to your husband,

1523
01:23:37,751 --> 01:23:40,887
go home to your kids,
get some sleep?

1524
01:23:43,390 --> 01:23:44,657
Has anyone ever told you

1525
01:23:44,691 --> 01:23:47,293
that you need to go home
to your kids?

1526
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:57,404
I know what people say.

1527
01:23:57,437 --> 01:24:00,507
The guards, everyone.

1528
01:24:01,508 --> 01:24:03,410
About Ted and I.

1529
01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:04,911
People say things.

1530
01:24:04,944 --> 01:24:06,813
You want to know what
I think about Ted Bundy?

1531
01:24:06,846 --> 01:24:10,784
I will tell you. I hate him.

1532
01:24:10,817 --> 01:24:16,456
I... I think I hate him more
than anybody I've ever hated.

1533
01:24:16,523 --> 01:24:17,791
Then why defend him?

1534
01:24:17,824 --> 01:24:21,227
Because murder is murder,

1535
01:24:21,261 --> 01:24:23,997
and... in the end,

1536
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:27,634
we all have to be accountable
for what we've done,

1537
01:24:27,667 --> 01:24:29,869
and that includes me
as much as it includes Ted,

1538
01:24:29,903 --> 01:24:31,838
and it includes you, too,

1539
01:24:33,540 --> 01:24:34,874
whether you realize it or not,

1540
01:24:34,908 --> 01:24:36,776
you just helped pull
the trigger in there.

1541
01:24:36,810 --> 01:24:38,845
It's between him and god now.

1542
01:24:38,878 --> 01:24:42,449
I just told the truth.

1543
01:24:42,482 --> 01:24:46,519
Him and god. Right.

1544
01:24:50,957 --> 01:24:53,393
God is what gets you
through this?

1545
01:24:57,297 --> 01:24:58,998
Goodbye, bill.

1546
01:25:07,474 --> 01:25:10,343
"He maketh me to
lie down in green pastures."

1547
01:25:10,377 --> 01:25:13,279
He leadeth me beside
the still waters.

1548
01:25:13,313 --> 01:25:15,515
He restoreth my soul.

1549
01:25:15,548 --> 01:25:17,917
He leadeth me in the paths
of righteousness

1550
01:25:17,951 --> 01:25:19,652
for his name's sake.

1551
01:25:19,686 --> 01:25:21,287
Yea, though I walk

1552
01:25:21,321 --> 01:25:22,889
through the valley
of the shadow of death,

1553
01:25:22,922 --> 01:25:26,726
I will fear no evil:
For thou art with me;

1554
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,595
"Thy rod and thy staff..."

1555
01:25:28,661 --> 01:25:33,800
Look down and give
comfort to your son, Ted,

1556
01:25:33,833 --> 01:25:36,536
as he prepares to make
his final...

1557
01:25:36,569 --> 01:25:39,500
Oh, no! No!

1558
01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:40,907
In a place where thine...

1559
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:42,442
The lord of hosts.

1560
01:25:42,509 --> 01:25:44,440
He is the king of glory.

1561
01:25:49,749 --> 01:25:53,687
I can't ****ing hear anything!

1562
01:25:58,725 --> 01:26:03,329
♪ And praiseth me ♪

1563
01:26:06,466 --> 01:26:11,337
♪ My song shall be... ♪

1564
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:33,727
I wanted to say something.

1565
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,596
You know, while I still can.

1566
01:26:40,533 --> 01:26:43,436
Thanks for being here,

1567
01:26:43,470 --> 01:26:45,572
for being a friend.

1568
01:26:47,974 --> 01:26:51,478
Everyone always wanted
something from me.

1569
01:26:51,511 --> 01:26:53,790
I was a noteworthy client,

1570
01:26:53,113 --> 01:26:57,550
or... or... or another brick
on their road to salvation

1571
01:26:57,584 --> 01:27:01,721
or a name on their cover
to sell a book, but...

1572
01:27:03,923 --> 01:27:06,459
But you...

1573
01:27:06,493 --> 01:27:10,430
All you ever wanted from me
was to understand.

1574
01:27:10,463 --> 01:27:13,366
And that's all a friend is.

1575
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,504
You know, someone
who wants to understand.

1576
01:27:17,537 --> 01:27:19,706
All they want to believe
is that the worst person

1577
01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:21,675
in the world got smoked?

1578
01:27:25,945 --> 01:27:28,848
You know what? Screw that.

1579
01:27:28,882 --> 01:27:31,584
I'm not gonna give the state
the satisfaction of killing me.

1580
01:27:31,651 --> 01:27:34,721
They can Bury me if they want,
but they can't kill me.

1581
01:27:34,754 --> 01:27:35,922
You see this pen?!

1582
01:27:35,955 --> 01:27:37,557
I can put this in my arm
right now.

1583
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:39,693
I can bleed out before
anybody gets in here.

1584
01:27:39,726 --> 01:27:42,950
I've researched it.
I've seen other guys do it.

1585
01:27:42,128 --> 01:27:44,764
- I can do it.
- You don't think I trust you?

1586
01:27:44,798 --> 01:27:46,132
What, you want me
to grab that pen

1587
01:27:46,166 --> 01:27:48,535
and stop you from
killing yourself right now?

1588
01:27:48,568 --> 01:27:50,637
I'm not gonna do it.

1589
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:53,740
If that's your plan...

1590
01:27:53,773 --> 01:27:55,975
But you wanted to do some good
before you went.

1591
01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:57,177
And I've done it.
I've done all I can.

1592
01:27:57,210 --> 01:27:59,946
- You said so yourself.
- Not all.

1593
01:27:59,979 --> 01:28:01,681
Those families,

1594
01:28:01,715 --> 01:28:05,180
they need to know that you
died for their daughter.

1595
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:06,986
Each one of them independently
is going to believe

1596
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,456
that you died
for their daughter.

1597
01:28:11,257 --> 01:28:14,160
That's why you have
to die in the morning.

1598
01:28:14,194 --> 01:28:15,962
It's for them.

1599
01:28:22,235 --> 01:28:24,637
What's gonna happen to me?

1600
01:28:24,671 --> 01:28:26,573
I don't know.

1601
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:51,640
I can't get what
I need from here.

1602
01:28:51,970 --> 01:28:52,699
What do you mean?

1603
01:28:52,732 --> 01:28:54,234
I have been reading
this ****ing thing.

1604
01:28:54,267 --> 01:28:56,503
I just don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.

1605
01:28:56,536 --> 01:29:00,600
Well, what we do know is you're
going to die in the morning,

1606
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,208
and there will be
a final judgment.

1607
01:29:02,208 --> 01:29:04,978
How am I going
to explain all this to god?

1608
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:08,810
There's a thing called remorse,

1609
01:29:08,114 --> 01:29:11,170
a thing called repentance.

1610
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:14,654
Salvation has to come
from within first.

1611
01:29:14,688 --> 01:29:17,824
You're not gonna be able to lie
your way out of this one, Ted.

1612
01:29:21,610 --> 01:29:23,960
Seven days!

1613
01:29:23,129 --> 01:29:25,498
That ****ing governor...
He gave me seven days!

1614
01:29:25,532 --> 01:29:27,233
It could've been 30.
It could've been 60!

1615
01:29:27,233 --> 01:29:29,135
I could have had some time
to do some good.

1616
01:29:29,169 --> 01:29:31,204
I could have had time
to figure out how to live.

1617
01:29:31,237 --> 01:29:32,572
But that selfish bastard,

1618
01:29:32,605 --> 01:29:34,307
he wanted to put
a notch on his desk.

1619
01:29:34,341 --> 01:29:37,944
"I'm the guy who fried him!"
That mother****er!

1620
01:29:37,977 --> 01:29:40,714
They want to kill me
for their own satisfaction,

1621
01:29:40,747 --> 01:29:42,248
all so they can feel better,

1622
01:29:42,248 --> 01:29:44,851
but they are not better than me.

1623
01:29:44,884 --> 01:29:48,254
They are not better than me!

1624
01:29:48,321 --> 01:29:51,570
Why, bill?!

1625
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:52,959
Why did this happen to me?

1626
01:29:52,992 --> 01:29:55,261
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

1627
01:29:55,261 --> 01:29:57,330
You're asking me,
so I'm gonna tell you right now!

1628
01:29:57,364 --> 01:29:59,232
How many of your victims
had the opportunity

1629
01:29:59,265 --> 01:30:00,800
that you have, huh?!

1630
01:30:00,834 --> 01:30:04,700
To prepare for death,
to call your mom?

1631
01:30:04,104 --> 01:30:07,700
You don't even know
how many girls there even were!

1632
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,242
All those children!

1633
01:30:09,275 --> 01:30:11,440
All those children who died!

1634
01:30:11,770 --> 01:30:12,645
They weren't all children.
Most of them were women...

1635
01:30:12,645 --> 01:30:14,180
They were all somebody's child,
Ted!

1636
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:16,820
- Yeah, yeah.
- You're somebody's child.

1637
01:30:16,116 --> 01:30:18,184
Yeah.

1638
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:24,924
You're pissed at me, aren't you?

1639
01:30:24,924 --> 01:30:26,292
Yeah.

1640
01:30:26,292 --> 01:30:27,827
Yes, I am.

1641
01:30:27,861 --> 01:30:29,195
You think they should kill me,
don't you?

1642
01:30:29,195 --> 01:30:31,164
You think it's my turn to die.

1643
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,736
Frankly, they probably should've
done it a long time ago.

1644
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:47,113
I have to pray.

1645
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,289
Mr. Hagmaier.

1646
01:31:00,126 --> 01:31:01,695
It's time.

1647
01:31:13,873 --> 01:31:16,242
Will I see you out there?

1648
01:31:16,309 --> 01:31:18,780
Yes.

1649
01:31:21,247 --> 01:31:24,184
Did you get what
you came here for?

1650
01:31:24,217 --> 01:31:25,985
Do you know why I did it?

1651
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:33,993
Because you wanted to.

1652
01:31:40,133 --> 01:31:42,369
I hope to see you
on the other side.

1653
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,375
Could be.

1654
01:32:14,768 --> 01:32:19,906
♪ Na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye ♪

1655
01:32:19,939 --> 01:32:27,847
♪ Na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye ♪

1656
01:32:27,847 --> 01:32:30,417
Florida state prison.

1657
01:32:30,417 --> 01:32:31,851
I'm sorry.

1658
01:32:31,851 --> 01:32:35,288
He's not available
at the moment.

1659
01:32:35,321 --> 01:32:38,124
I'll be sure
to give the message.

1660
01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:44,431
Look, bill.

1661
01:32:44,431 --> 01:32:47,701
The warden invited
a family down.

1662
01:32:47,767 --> 01:32:50,170
- To watch?
- Yeah.

1663
01:32:50,203 --> 01:32:53,239
And they did a head count.

1664
01:32:53,306 --> 01:32:56,710
I was supposed to have a seat.

1665
01:32:56,776 --> 01:32:58,345
Florida state prison.

1666
01:32:58,345 --> 01:33:01,181
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.

1667
01:33:01,214 --> 01:33:02,716
I'll be sure
to give him the message.

1668
01:33:05,352 --> 01:33:07,721
It's the warden's discretion.

1669
01:33:07,787 --> 01:33:09,422
He must have a big family.

1670
01:33:09,456 --> 01:33:11,991
He does.

1671
01:33:12,580 --> 01:33:13,893
I'm sorry.

1672
01:33:13,893 --> 01:33:15,950
They're ready for you, Paul.

1673
01:33:17,263 --> 01:33:19,366
I got to walk him down.

1674
01:33:19,366 --> 01:33:20,900
Can you man the phones?

1675
01:33:20,967 --> 01:33:23,690
Yeah.

1676
01:33:29,242 --> 01:33:31,111
Florida state prison.

1677
01:33:31,111 --> 01:33:33,179
Is Ted Bundy there.

1678
01:33:33,179 --> 01:33:35,115
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.

1679
01:33:35,115 --> 01:33:37,851
When you see him, will
you tell him, I smell bacon?!

1680
01:34:02,876 --> 01:34:04,511
Hello. Hagmaier residence.

1681
01:34:04,577 --> 01:34:06,460
Hey, sport.

1682
01:34:06,112 --> 01:34:08,314
Oh, hi, papa. I'm so excited!

1683
01:34:08,314 --> 01:34:10,830
I wanted to tell you
about this thing that...

1684
01:34:12,519 --> 01:34:14,220
That's great, buddy.

1685
01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:15,588
That's great.

1686
01:34:15,588 --> 01:34:17,157
Is mama around?

1687
01:34:20,427 --> 01:34:22,162
There's more.

1688
01:34:22,162 --> 01:34:25,650
Like, the pirates
have all these swords.

1689
01:34:30,437 --> 01:34:32,339
That's wonderful, buddy.

1690
01:34:32,339 --> 01:34:35,750
Um, yeah, can you put
mama on the phone?