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[rain pattering]

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[rhythmic thudding]</font></font>

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[thudding intensifies]</font></font>

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[thudding stops]
[sighs]</font></font>

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[chairman] Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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As we begin, I believe
you have a statement to read
into the record.</font></font>

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Yes, Your Honor.</font></font>

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[board member]
We're not judges, Doctor.</font></font>

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No.</font></font>

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[quietly] Of course.</font></font>

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Members of the security board.</font></font>

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The so-called
and derogatory information
in your indictment of me</font></font>

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cannot be fairly understood,</font></font>

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except in the context
of my life and my work.</font></font>

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[Senate aide]
How long did he testify?</font></font>

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Honestly, I forget.</font></font>

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The whole hearing took a month.</font></font>

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An ordeal.</font></font>

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I've only read the transcripts,
but... [clears throat]</font></font>

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Who'd want to justify
their whole life?</font></font>

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- You weren't there?
- As chairman,
I wasn't allowed to be.</font></font>

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Are they really going
to ask about it?</font></font>

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It was years ago.</font></font>

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- Four years ago. [chuckles]
- Five.</font></font>

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Oppenheimer
still divides America.</font></font>

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The committee is gonna want
to know where you stood.</font></font>

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Senator Thurmond asked me
to say not to feel
that you're on trial.</font></font>

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Aw. Funny, I didn't
till you just said that.</font></font>

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Really, Mr. Strauss--</font></font>

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It's Admiral.</font></font>

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Admiral Strauss.
This is a formality.</font></font>

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President Eisenhower
has asked you to be
in his cabinet.</font></font>

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Senate really has no choice
but to confirm you.</font></font>

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And if they bring up
Oppenheimer?</font></font>

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When they bring up Oppenheimer,
you answer honestly.</font></font>

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No senator can deny
you did your duty.</font></font>

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It'll be uncomfortable.
[chuckles]</font></font>

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Who'd want to justify
their whole life?</font></font>

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[loud chattering]</font></font>

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[shutter clicks]</font></font>

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[prosecutor] Why did you leave
the United States?</font></font>

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I, uh-- I wanted to study
the new physics.</font></font>

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[chairman]
Was there nowhere here?</font></font>

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I thought Berkeley
had the leading theoretical
physics department.</font></font>

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Yes. Once I had built it.</font></font>

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But first I had to go to Europe.</font></font>

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I went to Cambridge
to study under Patrick Blackett.</font></font>

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Were you happier there
than in America?</font></font>

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- Happier?
- Yes.</font></font>

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No.</font></font>

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No, I, uh...</font></font>

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I was homesick, um,</i></font></font>

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emotionally immature,</font></font>

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troubled by visions
of a hidden universe.</font></font>

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[energy pulsing]</font></font>

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Useless in the lab.</font></font>

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[glass shattering]</font></font>

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Christ, Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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Have you had any sleep?</font></font>

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Start again.</font></font>

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I need to go
to the lecture, sir.</font></font>

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Why?</font></font>

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It's Niels Bohr.</font></font>

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I'd completely forgot.</font></font>

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All right. [clears throat]
Let's go.</font></font>

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Oh, no, not you, Oppenheimer.
You finish coating those plates.</font></font>

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[students chattering, laughing]</font></font>

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[cupboard door closes]</font></font>

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[Bohr] Quantum physics
is not a step forward.</i></font></font>

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It is a new way
to understand reality.</font></font>

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Einstein's opened the door.</font></font>

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Now we are peering through,
seeing a world inside our world.</font></font>

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A world of energy and paradox
that not everyone can accept.</font></font>

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[energy pulsing]</font></font>

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[bell tolling]</font></font>

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[students chattering]</font></font>

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- Yeah-- Are you all right?
- [breathing heavily]</font></font>

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Niels,
meet J. Robert Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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What's the J stand for?</font></font>

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Nothing, apparently.</font></font>

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You were at my lecture.
You asked
the only good question.</font></font>

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[Blackett]
No one's denying his insight.</font></font>

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It's his laboratory work
that leaves a little
to be desired.</font></font>

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I heard you give
the same lectu--</font></font>

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At Harvard, yes,
and you asked the same question.</font></font>

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Why ask again?</font></font>

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Hadn't liked your answer.</font></font>

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- Did you like it better
yesterday?
- A lot.</font></font>

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You can lift the stone
without being ready for
the snake that's revealed.</font></font>

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Now it seems you're ready.</font></font>

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But you don't enjoy the lab?</font></font>

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So get out of Cambridge
with its beakers and potions.</font></font>

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Go somewhere
they'll let you think.</font></font>

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[whispers] Where?</font></font>

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Göttingen.</font></font>

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- Born.
- Born.</font></font>

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Get to Germany.
Study under Max Born.</font></font>

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Learn the ways of theory.</font></font>

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I'll send word.</font></font>

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Wormhole.
[apple clatters]</font></font>

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How's your mathematics?</font></font>

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Not good enough
for the physicist
he wants to be.</font></font>

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Algebra's like sheet music.</font></font>

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The important thing isn't
"can you read music?"</font></font>

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It's "can you hear it?"</font></font>

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Can you hear the music, Robert?</font></font>

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Yes, I can.</font></font>

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[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

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[rumbling]</font></font>

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[rhythmic thudding]</font></font>

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The senator from Wyoming.</font></font>

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Admiral Strauss,</font></font>

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I'm interested in
your relationship with</font></font>

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Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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You met him in 1947?</font></font>

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Correct.</font></font>

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You were commissioner of
the Atomic Energy Commission?</font></font>

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I was, but I actually met Robert
in my capacity as board member</font></font>

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of the Institute
for Advanced Study
at Princeton,</font></font>

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because after the war
he was world renowned</font></font>

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as the great man of physics,</font></font>

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and I was determined
to get him to run the Institute.</font></font>

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Dr. Oppenheimer. An honor.</font></font>

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Mr. Strauss.</font></font>

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It's pronounced "straws."</font></font>

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Oh-ppenheimer, Oppenheimer.</font></font>

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Whatever way you say it,
they know I'm Jewish.</font></font>

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[chuckles]</font></font>

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I'm president
of Temple Emanu-El
in Manhattan.</font></font>

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"Straws" is just
the Southern pronunciation.</font></font>

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Anyway,
welcome to the Institute.</font></font>

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I think you could be
very happy here.</font></font>

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Yes, well,
you'll love the commute.</font></font>

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The position
comes with that house
for you and your wife,</font></font>

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and your--
Is it two children?</font></font>

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Yes, two.</font></font>

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I'm a great admirer
of your work.</font></font>

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And you're a physicist
by training, Mr. Strauss?</font></font>

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I'm sorry, common room,
four o'clock tea.</font></font>

141
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No, I'm not trained
in physics or anything else.</font></font>

142
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I'm a self-made man.</font></font>

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Ah. I can relate to that.
Really?</font></font>

144
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Yes, my father was one.</font></font>

145
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And this would be your office.</font></font>

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[birds chirping]</font></font>

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I'm told he's there
most afternoons.</font></font>

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You know,
I've always wondered</font></font>

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why you didn't involve him
in the Manhattan Project.</font></font>

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Greatest scientific mind
of our time.</font></font>

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Of his time.</font></font>

152
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Einstein published
his Theory of Relativity</font></font>

153
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more than 40 years ago now.</font></font>

154
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But never embraced
the quantum world it revealed.</font></font>

155
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"God doesn't play dice."</font></font>

156
00:10:39,339 --> 00:10:40,907
Precisely.</font></font>

157
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You never thought of studying
physics formally, Mr. Strauss?</font></font>

158
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I had offers,
but I chose to sell shoes.</font></font>

159
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Lewis Strauss was once
a lowly shoe salesman.</font></font>

160
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No, just a shoe salesman.</font></font>

161
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[chuckles]</font></font>

162
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I'd love to introduce you.</font></font>

163
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No need.</font></font>

164
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I have known him for years.</font></font>

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Albert.</font></font>

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What was that?</font></font>

167
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What did you say to him?</font></font>

168
00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:36,196
Oh, he's fine.</font></font>

169
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Mr. Strauss,
there are things in my past
you ought to be aware of.</font></font>

170
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Well, as chairman of the AEC,
I have access to
your security file.</font></font>

171
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I've read it.</font></font>

172
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You're not worried?
No.</font></font>

173
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Why would I be worried
after everything you've done
for your country?</font></font>

174
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Well, times change,
Mr. Strauss.</font></font>

175
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Well, the purpose
of this institute</font></font>

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is to provide a haven
for independent minds.</font></font>

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That's you.</font></font>

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You are the man for the job.</font></font>

179
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Well, then I'll consider it.</font></font>

180
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I'll see you
at the AEC meeting tomorrow.</font></font>

181
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[scoffs]</font></font>

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This is one of the most
prestigious appointments
in the country.</font></font>

183
00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,603
Yes, with a great commute.</font></font>

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That's why I'm considering it.</font></font>

185
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[McGee]
So, Dr. Oppenheimer brought
your attention to</i></font></font>

186
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his past associations</i></font></font>

187
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before you appointed him?</font></font>

188
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- Yes.
- And they didn't concern you?</font></font>

189
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Just then I was
entirely consumed</font></font>

190
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with what he must have said
to Einstein</font></font>

191
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- to sour him on me.
- [gallery laughing]</font></font>

192
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But later?</font></font>

193
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Well, we all know
what happened later.</font></font>

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[prosecutor]
Doctor, your time in Europe,</font></font>

195
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you seemed to meet
with a wide range</font></font>

196
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of other countries' physicists.</font></font>

197
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Yes, that's right.</font></font>

198
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Any Russians?</font></font>

199
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None that spring to mind.</font></font>

200
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If you'll just allow me
to continue with my statement--</font></font>

201
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Mr. Robb, you'll have
ample opportunity
to cross-examine.</font></font>

202
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After Göttingen,
I moved on to Leiden in Holland,</font></font>

203
00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,352
where I first met Isidor Rabi.</i></font></font>

204
00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:07,120
[Rabi clears throat]
Excuse me.</font></font>

205
00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:13,827
A Yank, lecturing
on the new physics?</font></font>

206
00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:15,295
This I have to hear.</font></font>

207
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I'm an American myself.</font></font>

208
00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,798
How surprising.</font></font>

209
00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:22,268
Let me know if you need any help
with the English.</font></font>

210
00:13:23,603 --> 00:13:26,573
[students laughing]</font></font>

211
00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:31,845
[speaking Dutch]</font></font>

212
00:13:36,282 --> 00:13:38,184
Wait, what's he saying?</font></font>

213
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No, thank you.</font></font>

214
00:13:49,929 --> 00:13:51,831
It's a long way to Zurich.</font></font>

215
00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,768
You get any skinnier,
we're gonna lose you
between the seat cushions.</font></font>

216
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I'm Rabi.</font></font>

217
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Oppenheimer.</font></font>

218
00:13:57,771 --> 00:13:59,806
I caught your lecture
on molecules.</font></font>

219
00:13:59,806 --> 00:14:01,608
Caught some of it.</font></font>

220
00:14:01,608 --> 00:14:04,210
We're a couple of New York Jews.
How do you know Dutch?</font></font>

221
00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:06,980
Well, I thought
I'd better learn it
when I got here this semester.</font></font>

222
00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:10,617
You learned enough Dutch
in six weeks to give a lecture
on quantum mechanics?</font></font>

223
00:14:10,617 --> 00:14:12,520
Wanted to challenge myself.</font></font>

224
00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,554
Quantum physics wasn't
challenging enough.</font></font>

225
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Schvitzer.
Schvitzer?</i></font></font>

226
00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:17,757
- Show-off.
- [chuckles]</font></font>

227
00:14:17,757 --> 00:14:19,993
Dutch in six weeks,
but you never learned Yiddish?</font></font>

228
00:14:19,993 --> 00:14:22,228
They don't speak it so much
my side of the park.</font></font>

229
00:14:22,228 --> 00:14:23,830
Screw you.</font></font>

230
00:14:24,764 --> 00:14:28,100
- You homesick?
- Oh, you know it.</font></font>

231
00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:31,304
Ever get the feeling our kind
isn't entirely welcome here?</font></font>

232
00:14:31,304 --> 00:14:32,372
Physicists?</font></font>

233
00:14:32,806 --> 00:14:33,807
That's funny.</font></font>

234
00:14:33,807 --> 00:14:35,909
Not in the department.</font></font>

235
00:14:35,909 --> 00:14:37,310
They're all Jewish too.</font></font>

236
00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:40,680
Eat.</font></font>

237
00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:45,352
There's a German
you have to seek out.</font></font>

238
00:14:46,252 --> 00:14:48,688
Heisenberg.
Right.</font></font>

239
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:52,892
[Heisenberg speaking German]</font></font>

240
00:14:57,731 --> 00:15:01,968
One might be led
to the presumption
that behind the quantum world,</font></font>

241
00:15:01,968 --> 00:15:05,672
there still hides a real world
in which causality holds,</font></font>

242
00:15:05,672 --> 00:15:10,410
but such speculations seem
to us, to say it explicitly, fruitless.</font></font>

243
00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:12,379
Thank you. Have a great day.</font></font>

244
00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,818
Werner. Wonderful.
Thank you.</font></font>

245
00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:20,487
Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

246
00:15:20,487 --> 00:15:24,524
Oppenheimer, yes.
I liked your paper
on molecules.</font></font>

247
00:15:24,524 --> 00:15:25,925
Probably because
you inspired it.</font></font>

248
00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,627
If I inspire anything else,
let me know.</font></font>

249
00:15:27,627 --> 00:15:28,695
We could publish together.</font></font>

250
00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:30,463
I have to get back to America.</font></font>

251
00:15:30,463 --> 00:15:32,980
Why?</font></font>

252
00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:34,467
There's no one there
taking quantum mechanics seriously.</font></font>

253
00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:36,200
That's exactly why.</font></font>

254
00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,605
He's pining for
the canyons of Manhattan.</font></font>

255
00:15:38,605 --> 00:15:40,907
Canyons of New Mexico.</font></font>

256
00:15:40,907 --> 00:15:42,750
You're from New Mexico?</font></font>

257
00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:43,810
No. New York,
but my brother and I</font></font>

258
00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:46,312
have a ranch
outside Santa Fe.</font></font>

259
00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:48,148
That's the America
I miss right now.</font></font>

260
00:15:48,148 --> 00:15:50,517
Then it's best
you get home, cowboys.</font></font>

261
00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:51,618
[Oppenheimer, Rabi chuckle]</font></font>

262
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:52,886
That's him.</font></font>

263
00:15:52,886 --> 00:15:56,222
No, me and horses?
I don't think so.</font></font>

264
00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:58,191
Nice to meet you.</font></font>

265
00:15:59,926 --> 00:16:02,950
Did you ever encounter
Heisenberg again?</font></font>

266
00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:04,831
Not in person, no, but, uh...</font></font>

267
00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:08,702
you might say our paths crossed.</font></font>

268
00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:11,338
On returning to America,</font></font>

269
00:16:11,338 --> 00:16:14,507
I accepted positions at
both Caltech and up at Berkeley.</font></font>

270
00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:16,476
[people chattering]</font></font>

271
00:16:23,830 --> 00:16:24,984
[equipment clattering]</font></font>

272
00:16:32,859 --> 00:16:34,940
[sighs]</font></font>

273
00:16:38,898 --> 00:16:40,900
Dr. Lawrence, I presume?</font></font>

274
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,171
- You must be Oppenheimer.
- Yes.</font></font>

275
00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:47,640
I hear you want to start
a school of quantum theory.</font></font>

276
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,509
I am starting it. Next door.</font></font>

277
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:50,710
They put you in there?</font></font>

278
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:52,120
I asked for it.</font></font>

279
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,980
Wanted to be close
to you experimentalists.</font></font>

280
00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,582
Theory will get you
only so far, huh?</font></font>

281
00:16:55,582 --> 00:16:57,784
We're building a machine
to accelerate electrons.</font></font>

282
00:16:57,784 --> 00:16:58,852
Magnificent.</font></font>

283
00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:00,453
Would you like to help?</font></font>

284
00:17:00,453 --> 00:17:02,255
Build it? Oh, no. [chuckles]</font></font>

285
00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:03,623
No, no.</font></font>

286
00:17:03,623 --> 00:17:06,590
But I am working on theories
I'd like to test with it.</font></font>

287
00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:07,293
When do you start teaching?</font></font>

288
00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:08,862
I've got my first
in an hour.</font></font>

289
00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:11,970
- Seminar?
- Pupil.</font></font>

290
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:14,234
One student? That's it?</font></font>

291
00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:16,636
I'm teaching something
no one here has dreamt of.</font></font>

292
00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,972
But once people start hearing
what you can do with it--</font></font>

293
00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:20,607
There's no going back.</font></font>

294
00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:22,750
[door opens]</font></font>

295
00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:25,612
- Oh. I must have missed the--
- Mr. Lomanitz?</font></font>

296
00:17:25,612 --> 00:17:26,880
Nah--</font></font>

297
00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:29,182
Yeah.</font></font>

298
00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:32,252
Yes, this is it.
Please. Take a seat.</font></font>

299
00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:34,454
[clears throat]</font></font>

300
00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,192
What do you know
about quantum mechanics?</font></font>

301
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,995
I have a grasp
on the basics.</font></font>

302
00:17:41,995 --> 00:17:44,230
Then you're doing it wrong.</font></font>

303
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,466
Is light made up
of particles or waves?</font></font>

304
00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:49,202
Quantum mechanics
says it's both.
How could it be both?</font></font>

305
00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:51,538
- It can't.
- It can't.</font></font>

306
00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:52,806
But it is.</font></font>

307
00:17:52,806 --> 00:17:56,309
It's paradoxical,
and yet, it works.</font></font>

308
00:18:03,316 --> 00:18:04,417
Now...</font></font>

309
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,321
Thank you.</font></font>

310
00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:09,723
Mr. Lomanitz.</font></font>

311
00:18:09,723 --> 00:18:10,990
You're gonna be okay.</font></font>

312
00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:12,692
Mr. Snyder.</font></font>

313
00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:14,828
Now let's consider a star.</font></font>

314
00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:16,296
A star.</i></font></font>

315
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,365
A vast furnace
burning in outer space,</font></font>

316
00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:21,000
fire pushing outwards
against its own gravity.</font></font>

317
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,402
Balanced.</font></font>

318
00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,105
But if that furnace cools</font></font>

319
00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:29,900
and gravity starts winning,
it contracts.</font></font>

320
00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:30,143
Density increases.</font></font>

321
00:18:30,143 --> 00:18:32,912
Correct.
Increasing gravity.</font></font>

322
00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:34,581
- Increasing density.
- And?</font></font>

323
00:18:34,581 --> 00:18:38,418
It's a vicious cycle until...
What's the limit here?</font></font>

324
00:18:38,418 --> 00:18:41,521
[chuckles] I don't know.
See where the math takes us.</font></font>

325
00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:43,390
I guarantee it's somewhere
no one's been before.</font></font>

326
00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:45,325
Me?</font></font>

327
00:18:45,325 --> 00:18:47,494
Yes, you.
Your math is better than mine.</font></font>

328
00:18:47,494 --> 00:18:49,229
[students laughing]</font></font>

329
00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:51,640
[Bartlett]
Dr. Oppenheimer's file</i></font></font>

330
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,666
contained details
of his activities in Berkeley.</i></font></font>

331
00:18:53,666 --> 00:18:56,536
Why would they have started
a file on Dr. Oppenheimer</font></font>

332
00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,204
before the war?</font></font>

333
00:18:58,204 --> 00:19:00,774
Well, you'd have to ask
Mr. Hoover.</font></font>

334
00:19:00,774 --> 00:19:02,676
I'm asking you,
Admiral Strauss.</font></font>

335
00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:05,111
Uh, my assumption is</font></font>

336
00:19:05,111 --> 00:19:11,317
that it was connected
to his, uh, left-wing
political activities.</font></font>

337
00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:12,919
[door opens]</font></font>

338
00:19:12,919 --> 00:19:15,522
You shouldn't let them
bring up politics
in the classroom, Oppie.</font></font>

339
00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:17,323
I wrote that.</font></font>

340
00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:20,393
Lawrence, you embrace
the revolution in physics.</font></font>

341
00:19:20,393 --> 00:19:22,429
Can't you see it
everywhere else?</font></font>

342
00:19:22,429 --> 00:19:24,564
Picasso, Stravinsky,
Freud, Marx.</font></font>

343
00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:27,701
Well, this is America, Oppie.
We had our revolution.</font></font>

344
00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:31,237
Seriously,
keep it out of the lab.</font></font>

345
00:19:31,237 --> 00:19:36,760
Well, out of the lab,
my landlady is having
a discussion group tonight.</font></font>

346
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,410
Interested?</font></font>

347
00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:39,512
I have sampled
the Berkeley political scene.</font></font>

348
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:43,850
It's all just philosophy
postgrads and communists
talking integration.</font></font>

349
00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:45,385
You don't care
about integration?</font></font>

350
00:19:45,385 --> 00:19:47,253
I want to vote for it,
not talk about it.</font></font>

351
00:19:47,253 --> 00:19:48,722
Especially on a Friday.</font></font>

352
00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:49,823
Come on. Let's eat.</font></font>

353
00:19:49,823 --> 00:19:51,791
I'm meeting my brother there.</font></font>

354
00:19:51,791 --> 00:19:55,862
[Bartlett] And how would
these activities have come
to the attention of the FBI?</font></font>

355
00:19:55,862 --> 00:19:57,731
Well,
if I remember correctly,</font></font>

356
00:19:57,731 --> 00:20:02,680
the FBI was taking
license plates outside
suspected communist gatherings,</font></font>

357
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,700
and his name popped up.</i></font></font>

358
00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:13,880
Jesus Christ. Sorry.</font></font>

359
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,615
Frank.
Robert.</font></font>

360
00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:18,318
Uh, you remember Jackie.</font></font>

361
00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:19,386
Evening.</font></font>

362
00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:21,321
Let's go.</font></font>

363
00:20:21,988 --> 00:20:24,457
[people chattering]</font></font>

364
00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:26,459
[student] Robert.</font></font>

365
00:20:26,459 --> 00:20:28,762
I want you
to meet Chevalier.</font></font>

366
00:20:28,762 --> 00:20:32,650
Dr. Haakon Chevalier,
Dr. Robert Oppenheimer.</font></font>

367
00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:33,400
Pleasure.
Pleasure.</font></font>

368
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,168
This is
my little brother, Frank. Hello.</font></font>

369
00:20:35,168 --> 00:20:36,870
- And this is--
- Still Jackie.</font></font>

370
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:38,380
Hello, Still Jackie.</font></font>

371
00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:40,600
Chevalier,
you're in languages?</font></font>

372
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,808
And your reputation
precedes you.</font></font>

373
00:20:41,808 --> 00:20:43,410
What have you heard?</font></font>

374
00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:45,111
That you're teaching a radical
new approach to physics</font></font>

375
00:20:45,111 --> 00:20:46,546
I have no chance
of understanding,</font></font>

376
00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:48,415
but I hadn't heard
you're a Party member.</font></font>

377
00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,150
- I'm not.
- Not yet.</font></font>

378
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:52,686
Frank and I are
thinking of joining.
Just the other day, I was--</font></font>

379
00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:54,200
I support a range of causes.</font></font>

380
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,922
The Spanish Civil War?</font></font>

381
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:58,291
A democratic republic being
overthrown by fascist thugs,
who wouldn't?</font></font>

382
00:20:58,291 --> 00:21:02,362
Our government.
They think that socialism
is a bigger threat than fascism.</font></font>

383
00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:05,198
Not for long.
Look at what the Nazis
are doing to the Jews.</font></font>

384
00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:07,901
I send funds
to colleagues in Germany
to emigrate.</font></font>

385
00:21:07,901 --> 00:21:09,669
I have to do something.</font></font>

386
00:21:10,337 --> 00:21:13,730
My own work is so abstract.</font></font>

387
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:16,943
What are you working on?
What happens to stars
when they die.</font></font>

388
00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:18,211
Do stars die?</font></font>

389
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,716
Well, if they do,
they cool, then collapse.</font></font>

390
00:21:22,716 --> 00:21:27,854
In fact, the bigger the star,
the more violent its demise.</font></font>

391
00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:32,125
Their gravity
gets so concentrated,
it swallows everything.</font></font>

392
00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:33,793
Everything, even light.</font></font>

393
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:35,610
Can that really happen?</font></font>

394
00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:36,863
The math says it can.</font></font>

395
00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:39,966
If we can get published,
then perhaps one day
an astronomer finds one.</font></font>

396
00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:41,601
But right now,
all I have is theory,</font></font>

397
00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,670
which can't impact
people's lives.</font></font>

398
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:45,972
Well, if you're going
to send money to Spain,</font></font>

399
00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:47,674
do it through
the Communist Party.</font></font>

400
00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:51,111
- They can get it
to the front lines.
- Mary sent me with these.</font></font>

401
00:21:51,845 --> 00:21:53,790
I'm Jean.</font></font>

402
00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:54,814
Robert.</font></font>

403
00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,182
Haakon Chevalier.</font></font>

404
00:21:56,182 --> 00:21:57,917
The union meeting
at Serber's last month.</font></font>

405
00:21:57,917 --> 00:21:59,219
Right, right, yes.</font></font>

406
00:21:59,219 --> 00:22:00,720
Oh, thank you.</font></font>

407
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,822
[Chevalier] Robert here
says he's not a communist.</font></font>

408
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,191
Well, then he doesn't
know enough about it.</font></font>

409
00:22:05,191 --> 00:22:07,794
I've read Das Kapital,</i>
all three volumes.</font></font>

410
00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:11,970
- Does that count?
- It would make you better read
than most party members.</font></font>

411
00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:15,100
It's turgid stuff.
There's some thinking,
"Ownership is theft."</font></font>

412
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,269
"Property."</font></font>

413
00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,705
"Property"?
"Property," not "ownership."</font></font>

414
00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:20,807
I'm sorry, I read it
in the original German.</font></font>

415
00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:22,175
[chuckles]</font></font>

416
00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:24,770
[Chevalier] Well...
[glasses clink]</font></font>

417
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:27,247
It's not about the book.
It's about the ideas.</font></font>

418
00:22:27,247 --> 00:22:28,982
And you sound uncommitted.</font></font>

419
00:22:28,982 --> 00:22:32,952
I'm committed to thinking freely
about how to improve our world.</font></font>

420
00:22:32,952 --> 00:22:34,888
Why limit yourself
to one dogma?</font></font>

421
00:22:34,888 --> 00:22:37,857
You're a physicist.
You pick and choose rules?</font></font>

422
00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:42,228
Or do you use the discipline
to channel your energies
into progress?</font></font>

423
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:44,364
I like a little wiggle room.</font></font>

424
00:22:45,198 --> 00:22:47,400
Do you always
toe the party line?</font></font>

425
00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:50,737
I like my wiggle room too.</font></font>

426
00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:20,266
[Oppenheimer] This'll do.</font></font>

427
00:23:22,102 --> 00:23:24,170
[wind howling]</font></font>

428
00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,375
It'll break before dawn.</font></font>

429
00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:31,945
Air cools overnight.
Just before dawn, it breaks.</font></font>

430
00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,615
Come on. Come on.</font></font>

431
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:42,389
[chuckles]
[Lawrence sighs]</font></font>

432
00:23:42,389 --> 00:23:44,491
[grunts] So...</font></font>

433
00:23:44,491 --> 00:23:45,859
I'm getting married.</font></font>

434
00:23:45,859 --> 00:23:48,294
- Frank. Congratulations.
- Thank you.</font></font>

435
00:23:48,294 --> 00:23:49,429
To Jackie?</font></font>

436
00:23:49,429 --> 00:23:51,998
Yeah, to Jackie.
[clears throat]</font></font>

437
00:23:51,998 --> 00:23:53,466
The waitress.</font></font>

438
00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:54,868
Oppie, you're right.
It's lettin' up.</font></font>

439
00:23:54,868 --> 00:23:56,803
I'm gonna go see
if there's any stars.</font></font>

440
00:23:56,803 --> 00:23:59,439
All your talk
about the common man,</font></font>

441
00:23:59,439 --> 00:24:01,941
but Jackie's not good enough
for you, hmm?</font></font>

442
00:24:01,941 --> 00:24:04,511
We join the Party,
and you can't hide
your disapproval, why?</font></font>

443
00:24:04,511 --> 00:24:06,546
Is that because
that's supposed
to be your thing?</font></font>

444
00:24:06,546 --> 00:24:08,248
I haven't joined the Party, Frank.</font></font>

445
00:24:08,248 --> 00:24:10,684
And I don't think
she should have
convinced you to either.</font></font>

446
00:24:10,684 --> 00:24:12,385
Half of the faculty
is communist.</font></font>

447
00:24:12,385 --> 00:24:13,653
Not that half.</font></font>

448
00:24:14,821 --> 00:24:17,624
I'm your brother, Frank,
and I want you to be cautious.</font></font>

449
00:24:17,624 --> 00:24:19,693
And I want to wring your neck.</font></font>

450
00:24:21,394 --> 00:24:24,831
I won't live my life
afraid to make a mistake.</font></font>

451
00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:29,703
You're happy, I'm happy.</font></font>

452
00:24:29,703 --> 00:24:32,772
So then I'm happy you're happy
that I'm happy.</font></font>

453
00:24:37,377 --> 00:24:40,847
I feel like I could see
one of those dark stars
that you're working on.</font></font>

454
00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:44,170
You can't.
That's the whole point.</font></font>

455
00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:46,520
Their gravity swallows light.</font></font>

456
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,456
It's like a kind of hole
in space.</font></font>

457
00:24:50,223 --> 00:24:51,424
Is Frank okay?</font></font>

458
00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:54,427
Yes. He just has
a shitty brother.</font></font>

459
00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:56,696
It is special here.</font></font>

460
00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:00,567
When I was a kid,</font></font>

461
00:25:01,568 --> 00:25:03,603
I thought
if I could find a way</font></font>

462
00:25:04,671 --> 00:25:09,420
to combine physics
and New Mexico,</font></font>

463
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:10,844
my life would be perfect.</font></font>

464
00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:11,911
[chuckles]</font></font>

465
00:25:12,579 --> 00:25:15,181
Little remote for that. Yes.</font></font>

466
00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,450
Let's get some sleep.</font></font>

467
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:21,721
That mesa we saw today,
one of my favorite places
in the world.</font></font>

468
00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:24,124
Tomorrow we'll climb it.</font></font>

469
00:25:24,124 --> 00:25:25,658
[Lawrence] What's it called?</font></font>

470
00:25:26,459 --> 00:25:28,495
[Oppenheimer] Los Alamos.</font></font>

471
00:25:31,698 --> 00:25:33,767
I didn't expect
to see you today.</font></font>

472
00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:36,870
Do I have to
make an appointment?</font></font>

473
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:38,638
[store bell jingles]</font></font>

474
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,508
- Hey! Hey, get back here!
- Alvarez?</font></font>

475
00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:50,483
[Alvarez] Oppie! Oppie!</font></font>

476
00:25:50,483 --> 00:25:52,485
[Oppenheimer] What? What is it?</font></font>

477
00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:54,154
They've done it.
They've done it.</font></font>

478
00:25:54,154 --> 00:25:57,524
Hahn and Strassmann in Germany.
They split the uranium nucleus.</font></font>

479
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:00,930
[Lawrence] How?</font></font>

480
00:26:01,261 --> 00:26:02,962
Bombarded it with neutrons.</font></font>

481
00:26:02,962 --> 00:26:05,965
It's a nuclear fission.
They did it,
they split the atom.</font></font>

482
00:26:05,965 --> 00:26:07,467
It's not possible.</font></font>

483
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,508
I'm gonna try
to reproduce it.</font></font>

484
00:26:22,115 --> 00:26:24,840
See? Can't be done.</font></font>

485
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:26,653
[Lawrence] Very elegant.</font></font>

486
00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:28,488
Quite clear.</font></font>

487
00:26:28,488 --> 00:26:30,824
There's just one problem.
Where?</font></font>

488
00:26:31,324 --> 00:26:32,592
Next door.</font></font>

489
00:26:33,126 --> 00:26:34,561
Alvarez did it.</font></font>

490
00:26:35,128 --> 00:26:37,300
But then look,</font></font>

491
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,266
these fission pulses,
they're massive.</font></font>

492
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:43,870
I've seen 30 of these
in the past ten minutes.</font></font>

493
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,740
Theory will take you
only so far.</font></font>

494
00:26:48,341 --> 00:26:50,543
During the process,</font></font>

495
00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:55,115
extra neutrons boil off,
which could be used to
split other uranium atoms.</font></font>

496
00:26:55,115 --> 00:26:58,251
Chain reaction.
You're thinkin'
what I'm thinkin'?</font></font>

497
00:26:58,251 --> 00:27:01,287
You, me
and every other physicist
around the world</font></font>

498
00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:03,356
who's seen the news.</font></font>

499
00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:05,425
What?
What are we all thinking?</font></font>

500
00:27:06,226 --> 00:27:08,962
A bomb, Alvarez.</font></font>

501
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:11,531
A bomb.</font></font>

502
00:27:12,699 --> 00:27:14,934
I told you, Robert,
no more ****ing flowers.</font></font>

503
00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:19,973
I don't understand
what you want from me.
I don't want anything from you.</font></font>

504
00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:25,111
Well, you say that
and then you call.
Well, don't answer.</font></font>

505
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:27,747
I'll always answer.</font></font>

506
00:27:32,886 --> 00:27:35,955
Fine. Just no more flowers.</font></font>

507
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:39,590
You're not coming?</font></font>

508
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960
[Chevalier] You have to know
when you're beaten, Robert.</font></font>

509
00:27:45,432 --> 00:27:47,670
It's not that simple, Hoke.</font></font>

510
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:49,436
- Chevalier, good to see you.
- [students] F-A-E-C-T!
F-A-E-C-T!</font></font>

511
00:27:49,436 --> 00:27:52,972
Barbara, good to see you,
and the illustrious
Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

512
00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:54,974
I'm Eltenton. Pleasure.</font></font>

513
00:27:54,974 --> 00:27:56,443
Please, please.</font></font>

514
00:27:56,443 --> 00:27:59,779
Might you say a word
about organized labor
on campuses, yes?</font></font>

515
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:01,381
Coming through!
Coming through.</font></font>

516
00:28:01,381 --> 00:28:02,882
I work at Shell.</font></font>

517
00:28:02,882 --> 00:28:04,984
We've signed up chemists,
we signed up engineers,</font></font>

518
00:28:04,984 --> 00:28:06,853
so why not scientists
in academia?</font></font>

519
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:12,920
[students chanting]
Oppie! Oppie! Oppie!
Oppie! Oppie! Oppie!</font></font>

520
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,960
[cheering, applauding]</font></font>

521
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,969
Teachers are unionized.</font></font>

522
00:28:22,969 --> 00:28:25,739
- Why not professors?
- Don't you have somewhere to be?</font></font>

523
00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:28,441
Lawrence,
academics have rights too.</font></font>

524
00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:30,610
Look, it's not that.
I've got a group coming.</font></font>

525
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:32,545
Oh. I'll sit in.</font></font>

526
00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:33,847
Not this one.</font></font>

527
00:28:36,216 --> 00:28:37,250
[door opens]</font></font>

528
00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:43,890
Richard. Dr. Bush.
What brings you two up north?</font></font>

529
00:28:52,899 --> 00:28:56,690
Richard,
you tell Ruth I'll be down
to Pasadena Thursday.</font></font>

530
00:29:01,908 --> 00:29:03,243
[sighs]</font></font>

531
00:29:05,879 --> 00:29:08,248
Your paper on black holes is in!</font></font>

532
00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:11,651
Where's Hartland?</font></font>

533
00:29:11,651 --> 00:29:13,586
Get Hartland. Get Hartland.</font></font>

534
00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:17,557
September 1st, 1939.
The world's gonna remember
this day.</font></font>

535
00:29:17,557 --> 00:29:18,892
[chuckles]</font></font>

536
00:29:18,892 --> 00:29:20,960
Oh, Hartland.
Our paper, it's in print.</font></font>

537
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,129
We've been upstaged.</font></font>

538
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:27,967
[Oppenheimer]
During the Battle of Britain,</i></font></font>

539
00:29:27,967 --> 00:29:30,970
I found myself
increasingly out of sympathy</font></font>

540
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:35,141
with the policy of neutrality
that communists advocated.</font></font>

541
00:29:35,141 --> 00:29:38,278
But after Hitler invaded Russia
and we became allies,</font></font>

542
00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:41,140
these communist sympathies,
did they return?</font></font>

543
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:42,449
No.</font></font>

544
00:29:42,449 --> 00:29:46,653
I need to make clear
that my changing views on Russia</font></font>

545
00:29:46,653 --> 00:29:50,223
did not mean
a sharp break from those
who held different views.</font></font>

546
00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:52,726
For a year or two,
and during a previous marriage,</font></font>

547
00:29:52,726 --> 00:29:56,162
my wife Kitty had been
a Communist Party member.</font></font>

548
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:58,965
[guests chattering, laughing]</font></font>

549
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:02,102
This way.
This is where I keep
the good stuff.</font></font>

550
00:30:02,102 --> 00:30:04,400
I thought this was
the Tolmans' house.</font></font>

551
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,600
I live with them
while I'm at Caltech.</font></font>

552
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,209
- Do you two need anything?
- [Oppenheimer]
We're good, Ruthie.</font></font>

553
00:30:10,377 --> 00:30:12,979
So, you're a biologist.</font></font>

554
00:30:12,979 --> 00:30:16,216
Well, somehow I have
graduated to housewife.</font></font>

555
00:30:16,216 --> 00:30:20,553
Can you explain
quantum mechanics to me?
Seems baffling.</font></font>

556
00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:22,222
Yes, it is.</font></font>

557
00:30:23,523 --> 00:30:27,930
Well, this glass, this drink,</font></font>

558
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:31,931
this countertop,
uh, our bodies,</font></font>

559
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,701
all of it.</font></font>

560
00:30:35,702 --> 00:30:37,771
It's mostly empty space.</font></font>

561
00:30:37,771 --> 00:30:41,107
Groupings of tiny energy waves
bound together.</font></font>

562
00:30:41,107 --> 00:30:42,342
By what?</font></font>

563
00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:45,612
Forces of attraction
strong enough to convince us</font></font>

564
00:30:45,612 --> 00:30:50,884
that matter is solid,
stop my body passing
through yours.</font></font>

565
00:30:56,523 --> 00:30:58,158
[chattering]</font></font>

566
00:31:02,996 --> 00:31:04,864
You're married to Dr. Harrison.</font></font>

567
00:31:05,298 --> 00:31:06,299
Not very.</font></font>

568
00:31:08,468 --> 00:31:12,380
There is someone
that I feel--</font></font>

569
00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:13,573
Does she feel the same way?</font></font>

570
00:31:13,573 --> 00:31:15,141
Sometimes.</font></font>

571
00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,377
Not enough.</font></font>

572
00:31:18,611 --> 00:31:21,314
You know,
I'm going to New Mexico.</font></font>

573
00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:24,651
To my ranch, with friends.
You should come.</font></font>

574
00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:27,654
I meant with your husband.</font></font>

575
00:31:27,654 --> 00:31:28,888
Yes, you did.</font></font>

576
00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:29,956
'Cause you know
it won't make</font></font>

577
00:31:29,956 --> 00:31:32,125
a bit of difference.</font></font>

578
00:31:35,628 --> 00:31:37,497
[Oppenheimer]
Why did you marry him?</font></font>

579
00:31:37,497 --> 00:31:40,900
I was lost and he was kind.</font></font>

580
00:31:43,136 --> 00:31:44,104
Lost?</font></font>

581
00:31:44,104 --> 00:31:46,306
Well, my previous husband
had died,</font></font>

582
00:31:46,306 --> 00:31:49,709
and at 28 I wasn't really ready
to be a widow.</font></font>

583
00:31:49,709 --> 00:31:51,144
Who was your first husband?</font></font>

584
00:31:51,144 --> 00:31:54,547
Nobody.
But my second husband
was Joe Dallet.</font></font>

585
00:31:54,547 --> 00:31:56,950
He was, um, from money,
like me,</font></font>

586
00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:00,620
but he was a union organizer
in Youngstown, Ohio.</font></font>

587
00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:01,788
Fell hard.</font></font>

588
00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:03,223
[chuckles] How hard?</font></font>

589
00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:04,791
Hard enough to spend
the next four years</font></font>

590
00:32:04,791 --> 00:32:06,226
living off beans
and pancakes,</font></font>

591
00:32:06,226 --> 00:32:08,995
handing out the Daily Worker</i>
at factory gates.</font></font>

592
00:32:08,995 --> 00:32:11,898
By 36, I just told Joe
I couldn't take it anymore.</font></font>

593
00:32:11,898 --> 00:32:14,567
Quit the Party.
A year later,
I wanted him back.</font></font>

594
00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:17,370
Him, not the Daily Worker.</i></font></font>

595
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:19,239
He said,
"Swell, I'll meet you
on my way to Spain."</font></font>

596
00:32:19,239 --> 00:32:20,974
He went to fight
for the Loyalists?</font></font>

597
00:32:20,974 --> 00:32:24,110
And then
he went to the brigades
and I waited, and...</font></font>

598
00:32:25,412 --> 00:32:29,749
Joe got himself killed
first time he popped his head
outta the trench.</font></font>

599
00:32:29,749 --> 00:32:32,118
Ideology got Joe killed.
For nothing.</font></font>

600
00:32:32,118 --> 00:32:33,820
Spanish Republic
isn't nothing.</font></font>

601
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:37,900
My husband offered
both our futures
to stop one fascist bullet</font></font>

602
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:39,492
from embedding itself
in a mudbank.</font></font>

603
00:32:40,293 --> 00:32:42,729
That's the definition
of nothing.</font></font>

604
00:32:42,729 --> 00:32:44,898
Seems a little reductive. Pragmatic.</font></font>

605
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,168
Now here I am.</font></font>

606
00:32:50,637 --> 00:32:53,139
Wherever the hell this is.</font></font>

607
00:32:55,642 --> 00:32:58,511
I didn't want you to hear it
from anyone else.</font></font>

608
00:33:01,247 --> 00:33:03,249
Least you didn't
bring me flowers.</font></font>

609
00:33:03,249 --> 00:33:04,651
[sniffles]</font></font>

610
00:33:05,785 --> 00:33:07,287
[chuckles]</font></font>

611
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:13,460
We both know
I'm not what you want, Jean.</font></font>

612
00:33:14,394 --> 00:33:16,663
Yeah, but it's a door closing.</font></font>

613
00:33:17,197 --> 00:33:18,431
No.</font></font>

614
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,369
Not as far
as I'm concerned, no.</font></font>

615
00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,939
You knocked her up.
Fast work.</font></font>

616
00:33:25,939 --> 00:33:28,875
Can't keep a good man down.
[chuckles]</font></font>

617
00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:30,310
I meant her.</font></font>

618
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:34,180
She knew what she wanted.
What about the husband?</font></font>

619
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,582
We talked.</font></font>

620
00:33:35,582 --> 00:33:36,983
They're getting a divorce</font></font>

621
00:33:36,983 --> 00:33:41,254
so we can get married
before she starts showing.</font></font>

622
00:33:41,254 --> 00:33:42,922
How civilized.</font></font>

623
00:33:44,657 --> 00:33:47,727
You idiot.
This is your community.</font></font>

624
00:33:47,727 --> 00:33:51,970
You think the rules don't apply
to the golden boy?</font></font>

625
00:33:51,765 --> 00:33:53,967
Brilliance makes up
for a lot.</font></font>

626
00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:58,204
Don't alienate
the only people in the world
that understand what you do.</font></font>

627
00:33:59,406 --> 00:34:00,940
One day you might need them.</font></font>

628
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:03,643
[students chanting]
F-A-E-C-T! F-A-E-C-T!</font></font>

629
00:34:03,643 --> 00:34:05,912
[Oppenheimer]
The Federation of Architects, Engineers,</font></font>

630
00:34:05,912 --> 00:34:08,281
Chemists and Technicians.</font></font>

631
00:34:14,554 --> 00:34:18,910
- Lomanitz,
what do you get paid a month?
- That's not the point, Lawrence.</font></font>

632
00:34:18,910 --> 00:34:23,229
What do any of you have
in common with farm laborers
and dock workers?</font></font>

633
00:34:23,229 --> 00:34:24,664
[Lomanitz] Plenty.</font></font>

634
00:34:25,565 --> 00:34:27,834
Everybody out. Now!</font></font>

635
00:34:32,272 --> 00:34:33,573
Not you.</font></font>

636
00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:35,675
[footsteps departing]</font></font>

637
00:34:37,243 --> 00:34:38,745
[door closes]</font></font>

638
00:34:39,412 --> 00:34:41,810
What are you doing?</font></font>

639
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:44,217
It's a trade union.
Filled with communists.</font></font>

640
00:34:44,217 --> 00:34:46,520
So? I haven't
joined the Party.</font></font>

641
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,622
They won't let me
bring you onto the project
because of this shit.</font></font>

642
00:34:49,622 --> 00:34:51,991
They won't even let me tell you
what the project is.</font></font>

643
00:34:51,991 --> 00:34:54,894
Oh, I know
what the project is.
Oh, really?</font></font>

644
00:34:54,894 --> 00:34:57,664
We've all heard about
Einstein and Szilard's
letter to Roosevelt</font></font>

645
00:34:57,664 --> 00:34:59,232
warning him the Germans
could make a bomb,</font></font>

646
00:34:59,232 --> 00:35:02,936
and I know what it means
for the Nazis to have a bomb.</font></font>

647
00:35:02,936 --> 00:35:04,304
And I don't?</font></font>

648
00:35:04,304 --> 00:35:07,407
It's not your people
they're herding into camps.</font></font>

649
00:35:07,407 --> 00:35:09,109
It's mine.</font></font>

650
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:11,845
You think that I tell them
about your politics.</font></font>

651
00:35:13,646 --> 00:35:15,482
The next time you're
coming home from a meeting,</font></font>

652
00:35:15,482 --> 00:35:17,350
why don't you take a look
in the rearview mirror?</font></font>

653
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:22,722
Listen to the sounds
on your phone line
and stop being so goddamn naive.</font></font>

654
00:35:23,723 --> 00:35:25,358
Why would they care
what I do?</font></font>

655
00:35:25,358 --> 00:35:27,594
Because you're not
just self-important,</font></font>

656
00:35:27,594 --> 00:35:29,763
you're actually important.</font></font>

657
00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:34,300
Okay.</font></font>

658
00:35:35,535 --> 00:35:38,271
I get it.
If you could just
be a little more--</font></font>

659
00:35:38,271 --> 00:35:39,773
Pragmatic.</font></font>

660
00:35:39,773 --> 00:35:41,508
I'll talk to Lomanitz,
I'll talk to the others.</font></font>

661
00:35:41,508 --> 00:35:44,678
You don't have to worry.
It's done, Lawrence.</font></font>

662
00:35:49,549 --> 00:35:51,584
Then welcome to the war.</font></font>

663
00:35:51,584 --> 00:35:53,887
I filled out
my first security questionnaire</font></font>

664
00:35:53,887 --> 00:35:57,123
and was informed
that my involvement
with left-wing groups</font></font>

665
00:35:57,123 --> 00:36:01,127
would not prove a bar
to my working
on the atomic program.</font></font>

666
00:36:01,127 --> 00:36:03,863
[Pastore] Why were
his communist associations</i></font></font>

667
00:36:03,863 --> 00:36:06,800
not seen as a security risk
during the war?</font></font>

668
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,936
Senator, I can't possibly
answer for security clearance</font></font>

669
00:36:09,936 --> 00:36:12,205
granted years
before I ever met the man.</font></font>

670
00:36:12,205 --> 00:36:14,174
Fine. What about after?</font></font>

671
00:36:14,174 --> 00:36:15,975
After the war,</font></font>

672
00:36:15,975 --> 00:36:19,879
Dr. Oppenheimer was
the most respected
scientific voice in the world.</font></font>

673
00:36:19,879 --> 00:36:21,981
That's why I asked him
to run the Institute.</font></font>

674
00:36:21,981 --> 00:36:25,151
That's why he advised
the Atomic Energy Commission.</font></font>

675
00:36:25,151 --> 00:36:26,319
Simple as that.</font></font>

676
00:36:26,319 --> 00:36:28,855
What are they accusing me of?</font></font>

677
00:36:28,855 --> 00:36:32,325
I think they just
wanna know what happened
between 1947 and 1954</font></font>

678
00:36:32,325 --> 00:36:35,362
to change your mind
on Oppenheimer's
security clearance.</font></font>

679
00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:36,429
I didn't.</font></font>

680
00:36:36,429 --> 00:36:38,980
I was chair of the AEC,</font></font>

681
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:41,401
but it wasn't me
that brought the charges
against Robert.</font></font>

682
00:36:41,401 --> 00:36:43,360
Who did?</font></font>

683
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,871
Some former staff member of the
Joint Congressional Committee.</font></font>

684
00:36:44,871 --> 00:36:48,800
He was a rabid anti-communist
named Borden.</font></font>

685
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,443
He wrote to the FBI
demanding they take action.</font></font>

686
00:36:50,443 --> 00:36:52,912
The FBI? Why not go
to the AEC direct?</font></font>

687
00:36:52,912 --> 00:36:55,582
Why get caught
holding the knife yourself?</font></font>

688
00:36:55,582 --> 00:36:57,484
What did Borden have
against Oppenheimer?</font></font>

689
00:36:57,484 --> 00:36:59,953
This was the McCarthy Era.</font></font>

690
00:36:59,953 --> 00:37:03,256
People hounded out of jobs
for any hint of red.</font></font>

691
00:37:03,256 --> 00:37:06,326
And then,
reading Oppenheimer's
security file,</font></font>

692
00:37:06,326 --> 00:37:09,596
his communist brother,
sister-in-law, fiancée,</i></font></font>

693
00:37:09,596 --> 00:37:11,131
best friend, wife.</i></font></font>

694
00:37:11,131 --> 00:37:13,333
That's before we even get
to the Chevalier incident.</font></font>

695
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:16,870
But how would Borden have access
to Oppenheimer's security file?</font></font>

696
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:19,720
Because somebody gave it to him.</font></font>

697
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:22,509
Somebody
who wanted Robert silenced.</font></font>

698
00:37:22,509 --> 00:37:24,377
Who?
Who knows?</font></font>

699
00:37:24,377 --> 00:37:29,820
Robert didn't take care
not to upset the power brokers
in Washington.</font></font>

700
00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:31,951
His opinions on the atom
became definitive</font></font>

701
00:37:31,951 --> 00:37:34,821
and he wasn't always patient
with us mere mortals.</font></font>

702
00:37:38,425 --> 00:37:40,593
I came in for plenty
of harsh treatment.</font></font>

703
00:37:40,593 --> 00:37:43,963
There was an AEC vote</font></font>

704
00:37:43,963 --> 00:37:46,399
on the export of isotopes
to Norway,</font></font>

705
00:37:46,399 --> 00:37:49,369
and they drafted in Robert
to make me look like a fool.</i></font></font>

706
00:37:49,369 --> 00:37:50,704
[congressman]
But, Dr. Oppenheimer,</font></font>

707
00:37:50,704 --> 00:37:52,172
we've already heard
from Admiral Strauss</font></font>

708
00:37:52,172 --> 00:37:55,642
that these isotopes
could be useful to our enemies</font></font>

709
00:37:55,642 --> 00:37:57,310
in the production
of atomic weapons.</font></font>

710
00:37:57,310 --> 00:38:00,246
Congressmen,
you could use a shovel
in making atomic weapons.</font></font>

711
00:38:00,246 --> 00:38:01,781
In fact, you do.</font></font>

712
00:38:01,781 --> 00:38:04,617
You could use a bottle of beer
in making atomic weapons.</font></font>

713
00:38:04,617 --> 00:38:06,186
In fact, you do.</font></font>

714
00:38:06,186 --> 00:38:09,389
I say isotopes are less useful
than electronic components,</font></font>

715
00:38:09,389 --> 00:38:12,926
but more useful
than a sandwich.
[gallery laughs]</font></font>

716
00:38:15,195 --> 00:38:17,300
[Strauss]
Genius is no guarantee
of wisdom.</i></font></font>

717
00:38:17,897 --> 00:38:20,767
How could this man
who saw so much be so blind?</font></font>

718
00:38:21,668 --> 00:38:24,204
[crickets chirping]
[baby crying]</font></font>

719
00:38:30,377 --> 00:38:31,611
Kitty?</font></font>

720
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:35,482
[baby continues crying]</font></font>

721
00:38:36,516 --> 00:38:37,751
Kitty?</font></font>

722
00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:41,621
Kitty, the project--</font></font>

723
00:38:42,655 --> 00:38:45,458
I'm in. I'm in.</font></font>

724
00:38:45,458 --> 00:38:46,960
Let's celebrate.</font></font>

725
00:38:52,799 --> 00:38:54,567
Shouldn't you go to him?</font></font>

726
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,575
I have been going to him
all ****ing day.</font></font>

727
00:39:07,814 --> 00:39:09,883
[baby continues crying]</font></font>

728
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,889
[engine turns off]</font></font>

729
00:39:15,889 --> 00:39:17,190
Okay.</font></font>

730
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,527
[baby continues crying]
[knocks on door]</font></font>

731
00:39:24,497 --> 00:39:26,166
Here.</font></font>

732
00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:27,300
Come here, darling.</font></font>

733
00:39:27,967 --> 00:39:30,403
I don't know
how to say this.</font></font>

734
00:39:30,403 --> 00:39:32,806
I-I'm ashamed to ask.</font></font>

735
00:39:32,806 --> 00:39:34,740
[Chevalier] Anything.</font></font>

736
00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:36,776
- Take Peter.
- Sure.</font></font>

737
00:39:36,776 --> 00:39:38,912
No, for a while, Hoke.</font></font>

738
00:39:39,646 --> 00:39:40,880
A while.</font></font>

739
00:39:42,615 --> 00:39:44,818
Does Kitty know you're here?</font></font>

740
00:39:44,818 --> 00:39:46,853
Yes, of course she knows.</font></font>

741
00:39:46,853 --> 00:39:49,890
Of course she knows.</font></font>

742
00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:52,250
We're awful people.
Selfish, awful people.</font></font>

743
00:39:54,227 --> 00:39:55,261
Forget I asked.</font></font>

744
00:39:55,261 --> 00:39:57,630
Selfish, awful people,</font></font>

745
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:59,799
they don't know
they're selfish and awful.</font></font>

746
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,350
Sit, sit, sit.</font></font>

747
00:40:03,169 --> 00:40:07,340
Robert, you see
beyond the world we live in.</font></font>

748
00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:11,578
There is a price to be paid
for that.</font></font>

749
00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:13,179
Of course we'll help you.</font></font>

750
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,359
[Kitty]
Everything's changing, Robert.</font></font>

751
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:28,128
Having a child
was always going to change--</font></font>

752
00:40:28,128 --> 00:40:32,320
No, the world, it's pivoting
in some new direction.</font></font>

753
00:40:32,799 --> 00:40:34,334
It's reforming.</font></font>

754
00:40:36,603 --> 00:40:38,338
This is your moment.</font></font>

755
00:40:39,272 --> 00:40:40,974
We're putting together a group
to study feasibili--</font></font>

756
00:40:40,974 --> 00:40:44,440
"We" shouldn't
be doing anything.
You should.</font></font>

757
00:40:44,711 --> 00:40:46,846
Lawrence won't
get this done.</font></font>

758
00:40:46,846 --> 00:40:49,349
Or Tolman, or Rabi.
You will.</font></font>

759
00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:54,688
[chattering]</font></font>

760
00:40:58,291 --> 00:41:00,226
[Oppenheimer]
Who are the uniforms?</font></font>

761
00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:02,629
I thought you might know.</font></font>

762
00:41:03,763 --> 00:41:05,799
[door opens]
[colonel] Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

763
00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:08,168
I'm Colonel Groves.</font></font>

764
00:41:08,168 --> 00:41:10,537
This is
Lieutenant Colonel Nichols.</font></font>

765
00:41:10,537 --> 00:41:12,500
Have that dry cleaned.</font></font>

766
00:41:17,143 --> 00:41:19,879
Well, if that's how you
treat Lieutenant Colonel,</font></font>

767
00:41:19,879 --> 00:41:23,383
I'd hate to see how you treat
a humble physicist.</font></font>

768
00:41:23,383 --> 00:41:25,485
If I ever meet one,
I'll let you know.</font></font>

769
00:41:25,485 --> 00:41:26,886
[chuckles] Ouch.</font></font>

770
00:41:26,886 --> 00:41:28,688
Theaters of combat
all over the world,</font></font>

771
00:41:28,688 --> 00:41:31,240
but I have to stay
in Washington.</font></font>

772
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,590
- Why?
- I built the Pentagon.</font></font>

773
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:38,640
The brass likes it so much
they made me take over
the Manhattan Engineer District.</font></font>

774
00:41:38,498 --> 00:41:39,466
Which is?</font></font>

775
00:41:39,466 --> 00:41:41,501
Don't be a smart ***.</font></font>

776
00:41:41,501 --> 00:41:43,169
You know damn well what it is.</font></font>

777
00:41:43,169 --> 00:41:45,438
You and half of
every physics department
across the country.</font></font>

778
00:41:45,438 --> 00:41:47,207
That's problem number one.</font></font>

779
00:41:47,207 --> 00:41:50,276
I thought problem number one
would be securing
enough uranium ore.</font></font>

780
00:41:50,276 --> 00:41:53,980
- 1,200 tons
bought the day I took charge.
- Processing?</font></font>

781
00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:56,416
Just broke ground
at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.</font></font>

782
00:41:57,417 --> 00:41:59,352
Now I'm looking for
a project director.</font></font>

783
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,488
And my name came up?</font></font>

784
00:42:01,488 --> 00:42:03,356
Nope.</font></font>

785
00:42:03,356 --> 00:42:05,925
Even though you brought
quantum physics to America.</font></font>

786
00:42:05,925 --> 00:42:09,195
- Which made me curious.
- What've you found out?</font></font>

787
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:12,465
You're a dilettante,
a womanizer,</font></font>

788
00:42:12,465 --> 00:42:13,967
a suspected communist--</font></font>

789
00:42:13,967 --> 00:42:15,468
I'm a New Deal Democrat.</font></font>

790
00:42:15,468 --> 00:42:17,700
I said "suspected."</font></font>

791
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,174
Unstable, theatrical,
egotistical, neurotic--</font></font>

792
00:42:21,174 --> 00:42:24,110
Nothing good, no? Not even,
"He's brilliant, but--"</font></font>

793
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:27,480
Well, brilliance
is taken for granted
in your circle, so no.</font></font>

794
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,284
No, the only person who had
anything good to say
was Richard Tolman.</font></font>

795
00:42:31,284 --> 00:42:33,353
Tolman thinks
you have integrity,</font></font>

796
00:42:33,353 --> 00:42:38,580
but he also strikes me as a guy
who knows more about science
than people.</font></font>

797
00:42:38,558 --> 00:42:40,193
Yet here you are.</font></font>

798
00:42:40,193 --> 00:42:41,895
You don't take much on trust.</font></font>

799
00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:43,897
I don't take anything on trust.</font></font>

800
00:42:47,667 --> 00:42:49,336
Why don't you have
a Nobel prize?</font></font>

801
00:42:49,336 --> 00:42:51,705
- Why aren't you a general?
- They're making me one for this.</font></font>

802
00:42:51,705 --> 00:42:52,906
Perhaps I'll have the same luck.</font></font>

803
00:42:52,906 --> 00:42:54,741
A Nobel prize for making a bomb?</font></font>

804
00:42:54,741 --> 00:42:56,910
Alfred Nobel invented dynamite.</font></font>

805
00:42:59,579 --> 00:43:00,980
So how would you proceed?</font></font>

806
00:43:02,482 --> 00:43:07,487
You're talking
about turning theory
into a practical weapons system</font></font>

807
00:43:07,487 --> 00:43:08,788
faster than the Nazis.</font></font>

808
00:43:08,788 --> 00:43:10,256
Who have a 12-month head start.</font></font>

809
00:43:10,256 --> 00:43:12,392
- Eighteen.
- How could you
possibly know that?</font></font>

810
00:43:12,392 --> 00:43:15,280
Our fast neutron research
took six months.</font></font>

811
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,629
The man they've undoubtedly
put in charge</font></font>

812
00:43:16,629 --> 00:43:18,264
will have made that leap instantly.</font></font>

813
00:43:18,264 --> 00:43:20,467
- Who do you think
they put in charge?
- Werner Heisenberg.</font></font>

814
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:23,770
He has the most
intuitive understanding
of atomic structure</font></font>

815
00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:24,904
I have ever seen.</font></font>

816
00:43:24,904 --> 00:43:26,506
- You know his work?
- I know him.</font></font>

817
00:43:26,506 --> 00:43:29,109
Just like I know Walther Bothe,
Von Weizsäcker, Diebner.</font></font>

818
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:30,977
In a straight race,
the Germans win.</font></font>

819
00:43:30,977 --> 00:43:32,312
We've got one hope.</font></font>

820
00:43:32,312 --> 00:43:33,546
Which is?</font></font>

821
00:43:34,547 --> 00:43:36,490
Anti-Semitism.</font></font>

822
00:43:37,384 --> 00:43:38,218
What?</font></font>

823
00:43:38,218 --> 00:43:40,860
Hitler called quantum physics</font></font>

824
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:41,321
"Jewish science."</font></font>

825
00:43:41,321 --> 00:43:43,230
Said it right
to Einstein's face.</font></font>

826
00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:46,326
Our one hope is that Hitler
is so, so blinded by hate</font></font>

827
00:43:46,326 --> 00:43:48,128
that he's denied Heisenberg
proper resources,</font></font>

828
00:43:48,128 --> 00:43:50,630
because it'll take
vast resources.</font></font>

829
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:51,765
Our nation's best scientists,
working together.</font></font>

830
00:43:51,765 --> 00:43:52,966
Right now, they're scattered.</font></font>

831
00:43:52,966 --> 00:43:54,667
Which gives us compartmentalization.</font></font>

832
00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:57,871
All minds have to see
the whole task
to contribute efficiently.</font></font>

833
00:43:57,871 --> 00:44:00,730
Poor security
may cost us the race.</font></font>

834
00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:02,142
Inefficiency will.</font></font>

835
00:44:02,142 --> 00:44:03,977
The Germans know
more than us anyway.</font></font>

836
00:44:03,977 --> 00:44:05,812
The Russians don't.</font></font>

837
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:09,916
Remind me,
who are we at war with?</font></font>

838
00:44:09,916 --> 00:44:13,386
Somebody with your past
doesn't wanna be seen downplaying</font></font>

839
00:44:13,386 --> 00:44:17,157
the importance of security
from our communist allies.</font></font>

840
00:44:17,857 --> 00:44:20,226
Point taken. But, no.</font></font>

841
00:44:20,226 --> 00:44:21,828
You don't get
to say "no" to me.</font></font>

842
00:44:21,828 --> 00:44:24,164
It's my job to say "no" to you
when you're wrong.</font></font>

843
00:44:24,164 --> 00:44:26,199
So you have the job now?</font></font>

844
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,468
Uh, I'm considering it.</font></font>

845
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:33,907
I'm starting to see
where you got your reputation.</font></font>

846
00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:37,430
My favorite response?</font></font>

847
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:39,579
"Oppenheimer couldn't run
a hamburger stand."</font></font>

848
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,482
[chuckles] I couldn't.</font></font>

849
00:44:44,351 --> 00:44:46,519
But I can run
the Manhattan Project.</font></font>

850
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,622
There's a way to balance
these things.</font></font>

851
00:44:49,622 --> 00:44:53,893
Keep the Rad Lab
here at Berkeley
under Lawrence.</font></font>

852
00:44:53,893 --> 00:44:56,290
Met Lab in Chicago
under Szilard.</font></font>

853
00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:58,598
Large scale refining,
where did you say? Tennessee.</font></font>

854
00:44:58,598 --> 00:45:00,200
And Hanford.
And Hanford.</font></font>

855
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,737
All America's industrial might
and scientific innovation,</font></font>

856
00:45:03,737 --> 00:45:05,872
connected by rail.</font></font>

857
00:45:05,872 --> 00:45:07,407
Focused on one goal.</font></font>

858
00:45:07,407 --> 00:45:10,176
One point in space and time.
And it comes together here.</font></font>

859
00:45:10,176 --> 00:45:11,745
A secret laboratory.</i></font></font>

860
00:45:11,745 --> 00:45:13,980
In the middle of nowhere,
secure, self-sufficient,</i></font></font>

861
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:15,515
equipment, housing, the works.</font></font>

862
00:45:15,515 --> 00:45:17,784
Keep everyone there
until it's done.</font></font>

863
00:45:17,784 --> 00:45:20,387
- I'll need the schools,
stores, a church.
- Why?</font></font>

864
00:45:20,387 --> 00:45:23,957
If we don't let scientists
bring their families,
we'll never get the best.</font></font>

865
00:45:23,957 --> 00:45:26,826
You want security,
build a town, build it fast.</font></font>

866
00:45:26,826 --> 00:45:28,395
Where?</font></font>

867
00:45:31,998 --> 00:45:33,700
Welcome to Los Alamos.</font></font>

868
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:36,236
Now, there's a boys' school
we'll have to commandeer</font></font>

869
00:45:36,236 --> 00:45:38,238
and the local Indians
come up here for burial rites.</font></font>

870
00:45:38,238 --> 00:45:39,973
But, apart from that, nothing.</font></font>

871
00:45:39,973 --> 00:45:41,374
Forty miles. Any direction.</font></font>

872
00:45:41,374 --> 00:45:43,543
Enough to find
the perfect spot.</font></font>

873
00:45:43,543 --> 00:45:45,912
- What for?
- Success.</font></font>

874
00:45:51,217 --> 00:45:53,253
Build him a town. Fast.</font></font>

875
00:45:55,121 --> 00:45:56,990
Let's go recruit
some scientists.</font></font>

876
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:58,892
Why would I leave my family?</font></font>

877
00:45:58,892 --> 00:46:00,760
I told you,
you can bring your family.</font></font>

878
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,128
I'm not a soldier, Oppie.</font></font>

879
00:46:02,128 --> 00:46:04,297
A soldier?
He's a general.</font></font>

880
00:46:04,297 --> 00:46:06,990
I've got all the soldier
I need.</font></font>

881
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:08,134
What can I tell them?</font></font>

882
00:46:08,134 --> 00:46:10,136
Heisenberg, Diebner,
Bothe, Bohr.</font></font>

883
00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:11,504
What do these men
have in common?</font></font>

884
00:46:11,504 --> 00:46:13,540
The greatest minds
on atomic theory.</font></font>

885
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:15,800
Yes, and?
Uh...</font></font>

886
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,770
As much as you like,</font></font>

887
00:46:18,178 --> 00:46:20,547
until you feel my boot
on your balls.</font></font>

888
00:46:20,547 --> 00:46:22,182
You know isotopes</font></font>

889
00:46:22,182 --> 00:46:24,517
and you know explosives,
better than anyone in the world.</font></font>

890
00:46:24,517 --> 00:46:26,453
But you can't tell us
what you're doing.</font></font>

891
00:46:30,123 --> 00:46:32,425
I don't know.
The Nazis have them.</font></font>

892
00:46:32,425 --> 00:46:34,594
Niels Bohr's in Copenhagen.
Under Nazi occupation.</font></font>

893
00:46:34,594 --> 00:46:36,529
Did they stop
printing newspapers
in Princeton?</font></font>

894
00:46:36,529 --> 00:46:40,400
Why would we go to
the middle of nowhere
for who knows how long?</font></font>

895
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,469
A year or two.
Or three.</font></font>

896
00:46:43,536 --> 00:46:46,740
General, could you
give us a moment?</font></font>

897
00:46:48,108 --> 00:46:51,440
It's about unleashing
the strong force</font></font>

898
00:46:52,245 --> 00:46:54,470
before the Nazis do.</font></font>

899
00:46:54,681 --> 00:46:55,849
Oh, my God.</font></font>

900
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:58,118
Niels won't work
for the Nazis.
No, never.</font></font>

901
00:46:58,118 --> 00:47:00,387
But while they have him,
we don't.</font></font>

902
00:47:00,387 --> 00:47:01,588
That's why I need you.</font></font>

903
00:47:01,588 --> 00:47:03,790
Why would you think
I'd do that?</font></font>

904
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:05,592
Why? Why?</font></font>

905
00:47:05,592 --> 00:47:07,761
How about because this
is the most important
****ing thing</font></font>

906
00:47:07,761 --> 00:47:10,630
to ever happen
in the history
of the world.</font></font>

907
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:12,699
How about that?
****.</font></font>

908
00:47:17,704 --> 00:47:20,607
They are not gonna let me
onto this project.</font></font>

909
00:47:20,607 --> 00:47:23,309
And failing a security check
is not gonna be good
for a career,</font></font>

910
00:47:23,309 --> 00:47:24,477
even after the war.</font></font>

911
00:47:24,477 --> 00:47:26,312
So you're a fellow traveler.</font></font>

912
00:47:26,312 --> 00:47:28,748
So what?
This is a national emergency.</font></font>

913
00:47:28,748 --> 00:47:32,520
I've got some skeletons,
they put me in charge.</font></font>

914
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,119
They need us.</font></font>

915
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,321
Until they don't.</font></font>

916
00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:40,994
Is there any chance
of getting Bohr out of Denmark?</font></font>

917
00:47:40,994 --> 00:47:42,162
[Groves] Nah, no dice.</font></font>

918
00:47:42,162 --> 00:47:44,364
I checked with the British.</font></font>

919
00:47:44,364 --> 00:47:46,399
Until we get Allied boots
back onto the continent,</font></font>

920
00:47:46,399 --> 00:47:47,667
there's just no way.</font></font>

921
00:47:49,169 --> 00:47:50,770
Is he that important?</font></font>

922
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:53,773
How many people do you know
who've proved Einstein wrong?</font></font>

923
00:47:54,808 --> 00:47:57,143
You know,
it really would be quicker
to take a plane.</font></font>

924
00:47:57,143 --> 00:47:58,712
No, plane's too risky.</font></font>

925
00:47:58,712 --> 00:48:00,847
Country needs us.</font></font>

926
00:48:00,847 --> 00:48:03,283
[construction equipment whirs]</font></font>

927
00:48:03,283 --> 00:48:07,287
The Harvard guys,
they say the building's
too small for the cyclotron.</font></font>

928
00:48:09,489 --> 00:48:11,491
Get them together
with the architects.</font></font>

929
00:48:14,594 --> 00:48:16,730
When's this place
supposed to open?</font></font>

930
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:20,667
Two months.</font></font>

931
00:48:21,668 --> 00:48:25,338
Robert,
you're the great improviser,
but this...</font></font>

932
00:48:26,172 --> 00:48:27,640
you can't do in your head.</font></font>

933
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:30,343
Four divisions.</font></font>

934
00:48:31,277 --> 00:48:34,981
Experimental, Theoretical,
Metallurgical, Ordnance.</font></font>

935
00:48:34,981 --> 00:48:36,116
Who's running Theoretical?</font></font>

936
00:48:36,116 --> 00:48:37,751
I am.</font></font>

937
00:48:37,751 --> 00:48:40,487
That's what I was afraid of.
You're spread too thin.</font></font>

938
00:48:41,755 --> 00:48:43,356
So you take Theoretical.</font></font>

939
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,762
I'm not coming here, Robert.</font></font>

940
00:48:54,868 --> 00:48:56,503
Why not?</font></font>

941
00:49:02,542 --> 00:49:06,446
You drop a bomb,
and it falls on the just
and the unjust.</font></font>

942
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:10,283
I don't wish the culmination
of three centuries of physics</font></font>

943
00:49:10,283 --> 00:49:12,485
to be a weapon
of mass destruction.</font></font>

944
00:49:22,128 --> 00:49:23,930
Izzy.</font></font>

945
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:28,601
I don't know if we can be
trusted with such a weapon.</font></font>

946
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,239
But I know the Nazis can't.</font></font>

947
00:49:37,143 --> 00:49:38,511
We have no choice.</font></font>

948
00:49:41,181 --> 00:49:42,415
Then...</font></font>

949
00:49:43,817 --> 00:49:46,653
the second thing
you'll have to do
is appoint Hans Bethe</font></font>

950
00:49:46,653 --> 00:49:48,621
to run
the theoretical division.</font></font>

951
00:49:50,623 --> 00:49:52,592
Wait, what was the first?</font></font>

952
00:49:52,592 --> 00:49:56,262
Take off
that ridiculous uniform.
You're a scientist.</font></font>

953
00:49:56,262 --> 00:49:58,331
Groves is insisting we join.</font></font>

954
00:49:58,331 --> 00:50:00,400
Tell Groves
to go shit in his hat.</font></font>

955
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,502
They need us
for who we are.</font></font>

956
00:50:02,502 --> 00:50:06,172
So be yourself.
Only better.</font></font>

957
00:50:45,412 --> 00:50:46,946
- This is the only key.
- [keys jangle]</font></font>

958
00:50:46,946 --> 00:50:50,283
And Teller's already here.
Shall I just show him in?</font></font>

959
00:50:50,283 --> 00:50:53,586
No, let's wait for the others.
[door opens]</font></font>

960
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,294
Let's get started.</font></font>

961
00:51:01,895 --> 00:51:03,196
Hello, Edward.</font></font>

962
00:51:03,196 --> 00:51:04,330
Yes.</font></font>

963
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:06,633
Gentlemen,
so, we will work here</font></font>

964
00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:09,536
until the T-section
at Los Alamos is finished.</font></font>

965
00:51:09,536 --> 00:51:10,603
Edward, can I please--</font></font>

966
00:51:10,603 --> 00:51:12,238
It is more important.</font></font>

967
00:51:13,907 --> 00:51:15,875
When I calculated
the chain reaction,</font></font>

968
00:51:15,875 --> 00:51:18,712
I found a rather
troubling possibility.</font></font>

969
00:51:19,245 --> 00:51:22,449
No. This can't be right.</font></font>

970
00:51:22,449 --> 00:51:24,184
Show me how you did
your calculations.</font></font>

971
00:51:24,184 --> 00:51:25,452
[Edward] Yes.</font></font>

972
00:51:28,922 --> 00:51:32,525
It's exponential.
No. No, no, no. No.</font></font>

973
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:37,970
This is fantasy.</font></font>

974
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:39,399
Teller's calculations
can't be right.</font></font>

975
00:51:39,399 --> 00:51:42,268
Do them yourself
while I go to Princeton.</font></font>

976
00:51:42,268 --> 00:51:44,137
What for?
To talk to Einstein.</font></font>

977
00:51:44,137 --> 00:51:46,639
There's not
much common ground
between you two.</font></font>

978
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:48,608
That's why I should
get his view.</font></font>

979
00:51:53,246 --> 00:51:55,248
- Albert.
- Mmm?</font></font>

980
00:51:55,248 --> 00:51:57,984
Ah, Dr. Oppenheimer.
[chuckles]</font></font>

981
00:51:57,984 --> 00:52:01,321
Well, have you met Dr. Gödel?
We walk here most days.</font></font>

982
00:52:01,321 --> 00:52:05,725
Trees are the most
inspiring structures.</font></font>

983
00:52:05,725 --> 00:52:07,694
Albert, might I have a word?</font></font>

984
00:52:08,361 --> 00:52:10,530
Of course. Excuse me, Kurt.</font></font>

985
00:52:11,965 --> 00:52:15,680
You know, some days,
Kurt refuses to eat.</font></font>

986
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:16,636
Even in Princeton.</font></font>

987
00:52:16,636 --> 00:52:19,773
He's convinced
that the Nazis
can poison his food.</font></font>

988
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:22,409
Hmm?</font></font>

989
00:52:25,412 --> 00:52:26,680
Wha--</font></font>

990
00:52:31,151 --> 00:52:33,953
Whose--
Whose work is this?</font></font>

991
00:52:33,953 --> 00:52:35,355
Teller's.</font></font>

992
00:52:36,189 --> 00:52:37,991
What do you take it to mean?</font></font>

993
00:52:38,591 --> 00:52:40,393
Neutrons smash into nucleus,</font></font>

994
00:52:40,393 --> 00:52:43,930
releasing neutrons
to smash into other nuclei.</font></font>

995
00:52:44,631 --> 00:52:46,599
Criticality,
a point of no return,</font></font>

996
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:48,234
massive explosive force.</font></font>

997
00:52:48,234 --> 00:52:50,837
But this time,
the chain reaction
doesn't stop.</font></font>

998
00:52:51,771 --> 00:52:54,741
It would ignite
the atmosphere.</font></font>

999
00:52:55,809 --> 00:52:57,677
When we detonate
an atomic device,</font></font>

1000
00:52:57,677 --> 00:53:00,130
we might start
a chain reaction that...</font></font>

1001
00:53:01,314 --> 00:53:02,816
destroys the world.</font></font>

1002
00:53:03,616 --> 00:53:05,385
So here we are, hmm?</font></font>

1003
00:53:05,385 --> 00:53:09,723
Lost in your quantum world
of probabilities</font></font>

1004
00:53:09,723 --> 00:53:11,624
and needing certainty.</font></font>

1005
00:53:11,624 --> 00:53:14,260
Can you run
the calculations yourself?</font></font>

1006
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:19,232
About the only thing
you and I have in common
is a disdain for mathematics.</font></font>

1007
00:53:19,232 --> 00:53:22,635
Who's working on this
in Berkeley?
Hans Bethe.</font></font>

1008
00:53:22,635 --> 00:53:25,105
Well, he'll get
to the truth.</font></font>

1009
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:29,420
And if the truth
is catastrophic?</font></font>

1010
00:53:29,609 --> 00:53:30,910
Then you stop.</font></font>

1011
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:33,947
And you share your findings
with the Nazis.</font></font>

1012
00:53:34,681 --> 00:53:37,817
So neither side
destroys the world.</font></font>

1013
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:42,122
Robert.</font></font>

1014
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:46,726
This is yours, not mine.</font></font>

1015
00:53:59,606 --> 00:54:00,940
Teller's wrong.</font></font>

1016
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:03,760
He's wrong.
Shh, shh, shh...</font></font>

1017
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,744
[keys jangling]</font></font>

1018
00:54:05,645 --> 00:54:07,130
[lock clicks]</font></font>

1019
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:11,985
[lock clicks]</font></font>

1020
00:54:11,985 --> 00:54:14,587
[Bethe]
When you know Teller's
critical assumptions,</font></font>

1021
00:54:14,587 --> 00:54:16,890
the real picture emerges.</font></font>

1022
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:17,824
Bottom line?</font></font>

1023
00:54:17,824 --> 00:54:21,940
The chances of an uncontrolled
nuclear reaction are near zero.</font></font>

1024
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:22,595
Near zero.</font></font>

1025
00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:25,298
Oppie, this is good news.</font></font>

1026
00:54:25,298 --> 00:54:27,267
Mmm.</font></font>

1027
00:54:27,267 --> 00:54:30,236
Can you run them again?
No, you'll get
the same answer.</font></font>

1028
00:54:30,236 --> 00:54:31,971
Till they actually detonate
one of these things,</font></font>

1029
00:54:31,971 --> 00:54:34,607
the best assurance
you're going to get is this.</font></font>

1030
00:54:34,607 --> 00:54:36,420
Near zero.</font></font>

1031
00:54:38,111 --> 00:54:41,748
[sighs] Theory will
take you only so far. Mmm.</font></font>

1032
00:54:41,748 --> 00:54:44,884
- [Chevalier] Hello!
- Hello, you. We missed him.</font></font>

1033
00:54:44,884 --> 00:54:47,354
You want to adopt?
She's kidding.</font></font>

1034
00:54:47,354 --> 00:54:49,122
We wanted to see you
before we left.</font></font>

1035
00:54:49,689 --> 00:54:52,920
For parts unknown.</font></font>

1036
00:54:53,293 --> 00:54:57,130
You know who I ran into
the other day? Eltenton.</font></font>

1037
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:58,398
[Oppenheimer] Huh.</font></font>

1038
00:54:58,398 --> 00:55:00,734
The chemist from Shell?
The union guy?</font></font>

1039
00:55:00,734 --> 00:55:04,370
[Chevalier]
Yeah. The FAECT guy.</font></font>

1040
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:07,707
He was moaning about
how we're handling the war.</font></font>

1041
00:55:08,208 --> 00:55:09,576
How so?</font></font>

1042
00:55:09,576 --> 00:55:12,345
Lack of cooperation
with our allies.</font></font>

1043
00:55:12,345 --> 00:55:16,516
Apparently our government's
not sharing any research
with the Russians.</font></font>

1044
00:55:16,516 --> 00:55:20,820
Well, he said,
"Most scientists think
the policy is stupid."</font></font>

1045
00:55:24,224 --> 00:55:25,925
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.</font></font>

1046
00:55:25,925 --> 00:55:31,640
He mentioned that
if anyone had anything
they wanted to pass on,</font></font>

1047
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,135
going around
official channels,
that he could help.</font></font>

1048
00:55:43,677 --> 00:55:45,679
That would be treason.</font></font>

1049
00:55:46,212 --> 00:55:47,681
Yes, of course.</font></font>

1050
00:55:48,348 --> 00:55:50,830
I just thought you should know.</font></font>

1051
00:55:52,552 --> 00:55:56,890
The brat is down.
Where are the martinis?</font></font>

1052
00:56:01,361 --> 00:56:02,796
Coming right up.</font></font>

1053
00:56:02,796 --> 00:56:04,564
[Oppenheimer]
The conversation ended there.</i></font></font>

1054
00:56:04,564 --> 00:56:07,701
Nothing in our
long-standing friendship
would have led me to believe</font></font>

1055
00:56:07,701 --> 00:56:10,537
that Chevalier was
actually seeking information,</font></font>

1056
00:56:10,537 --> 00:56:15,608
and I am certain that
he had no idea of the work
in which I was engaged.</font></font>

1057
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:21,748
It has long been clear to me</font></font>

1058
00:56:21,748 --> 00:56:24,684
that I should have reported
this incident at once.</font></font>

1059
00:56:24,684 --> 00:56:27,721
[McGee]
The Oppenheimer situation
highlights the tension</i></font></font>

1060
00:56:27,721 --> 00:56:30,990
between scientists
and the security apparatus.</font></font>

1061
00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:33,560
In hopes of learning
how the nominee
handled such issues</font></font>

1062
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,428
during his time at the AEC,</font></font>

1063
00:56:35,428 --> 00:56:38,498
we'll have a scientist
appearing before the committee.</font></font>

1064
00:56:39,432 --> 00:56:42,235
Who are they bringing in?
They haven't said.</font></font>

1065
00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:43,336
Mr. Chairman, if I may,</font></font>

1066
00:56:43,336 --> 00:56:46,600
I'm nominated
for commerce secretary.</font></font>

1067
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,441
Why seek the opinion
of scientists?</font></font>

1068
00:56:48,441 --> 00:56:50,677
This is a cabinet post, Admiral.</font></font>

1069
00:56:50,677 --> 00:56:53,313
We seek a wide range
of opinion.</font></font>

1070
00:56:53,313 --> 00:56:55,782
Well, I'd like to know the name
of the scientist testifying,</font></font>

1071
00:56:55,782 --> 00:56:57,384
I'd like the chance
to cross-examine.</font></font>

1072
00:56:57,851 --> 00:56:59,786
This is not a court.</font></font>

1073
00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:02,222
Formality, huh?</font></font>

1074
00:57:02,222 --> 00:57:05,725
No presidential Cabinet nominee
has failed to be confirmed
since 1925.</font></font>

1075
00:57:05,725 --> 00:57:07,927
This is just how
the game is played.</font></font>

1076
00:57:07,927 --> 00:57:10,296
It's in the bag, Lewis.
So play nice.</font></font>

1077
00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:12,532
They bring in a scientist,
so what?</i></font></font>

1078
00:57:12,532 --> 00:57:14,701
You don't know scientists
like I do, Counselor.</font></font>

1079
00:57:14,701 --> 00:57:16,903
They resent anyone
who questions their judgment,</font></font>

1080
00:57:16,903 --> 00:57:18,938
especially if you're not
one of them.</i></font></font>

1081
00:57:18,938 --> 00:57:20,373
I was chair of the AEC.</font></font>

1082
00:57:20,373 --> 00:57:22,509
I'm easy to blame
for what happened to Robert.</font></font>

1083
00:57:22,509 --> 00:57:24,978
We can't have
the Senate thinking
the scientific community</font></font>

1084
00:57:24,978 --> 00:57:26,813
doesn't support you, sir.</font></font>

1085
00:57:27,681 --> 00:57:29,683
Or should we pivot?
[Senate aide] To what?</font></font>

1086
00:57:29,683 --> 00:57:31,117
And embrace it.</font></font>

1087
00:57:31,117 --> 00:57:33,887
"I fought Oppenheimer
and the US won."</font></font>

1088
00:57:33,887 --> 00:57:35,622
I-I don't think
we need to go there.</font></font>

1089
00:57:35,622 --> 00:57:37,757
Isn't there someone we can call
who knows what really happened?</font></font>

1090
00:57:37,757 --> 00:57:39,559
- Teller.
- He'll make an impression.</font></font>

1091
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,195
- Can you get the name of
the scientist they've called?
- Probably.</font></font>

1092
00:57:42,195 --> 00:57:45,298
Find out if he was based
in Chicago or Los Alamos
during the war.</font></font>

1093
00:57:45,298 --> 00:57:47,834
- Why does that matter?
- If he was based in Chicago,</font></font>

1094
00:57:47,834 --> 00:57:49,569
he worked under Szilard
and Fermi,</font></font>

1095
00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:51,671
not the cult of Oppie
at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1096
00:57:51,671 --> 00:57:53,139
Robert built that damn place.</font></font>

1097
00:57:53,139 --> 00:57:57,377
He was founder, mayor, sheriff,
all rolled into one.</font></font>

1098
00:58:03,216 --> 00:58:06,920
- [officer chattering
on loudspeaker]
- [Peter crying]</font></font>

1099
00:58:09,689 --> 00:58:11,658
All it needs is a saloon.</font></font>

1100
00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:13,226
[Peter continues crying]</font></font>

1101
00:58:37,150 --> 00:58:39,520
[murmurs]</font></font>

1102
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,720
Let's go and see.</font></font>

1103
00:58:41,454 --> 00:58:43,189
There's no kitchen.</font></font>

1104
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:46,359
Really? We'll fix that.</font></font>

1105
00:58:52,999 --> 00:58:57,504
Barbed wire? Guns? Oppie.</font></font>

1106
00:58:57,504 --> 00:58:59,239
We're at war, Hans.</font></font>

1107
00:59:01,608 --> 00:59:04,177
Halifax, 1917.</font></font>

1108
00:59:04,177 --> 00:59:07,113
A cargo ship carrying munitions
explodes in the harbor.</font></font>

1109
00:59:09,416 --> 00:59:12,485
A vast and sudden
chemical reaction.</font></font>

1110
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:18,692
The biggest
man-made explosion
in history.</font></font>

1111
00:59:18,692 --> 00:59:22,228
Now let's calculate
how much more destructive
it would have been</font></font>

1112
00:59:22,228 --> 00:59:25,965
if it were a nuclear,
and not a chemical, reaction.</font></font>

1113
00:59:25,965 --> 00:59:29,200
Expressing power
in terms of tons of TNT.</font></font>

1114
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,603
But it will be thousands.</font></font>

1115
00:59:30,603 --> 00:59:33,940
Well, then... kilotons.</font></font>

1116
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:42,248
Using U-235,
the bomb will need--
Ah...</font></font>

1117
00:59:42,949 --> 00:59:44,417
Right, sorry.</font></font>

1118
00:59:44,417 --> 00:59:48,880
Gadget will need
a 33-pound sphere
about this size.</font></font>

1119
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,858
Or using plutonium,
the ten-pound sphere.</font></font>

1120
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:57,530
Here's the amount of uranium
Oak Ridge refined
all of last month.</font></font>

1121
01:00:01,334 --> 01:00:04,304
And the Hanford plant
made this much plutonium.</font></font>

1122
01:00:06,339 --> 01:00:10,343
Now, if we can
enrich these amounts,
we need a way to detonate them.</font></font>

1123
01:00:10,343 --> 01:00:11,544
[paper rips]</font></font>

1124
01:00:11,544 --> 01:00:13,113
Are we boring you, Edward?</font></font>

1125
01:00:13,747 --> 01:00:15,281
A little bit, yes.</font></font>

1126
01:00:15,281 --> 01:00:16,750
May I ask why?</font></font>

1127
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:19,719
We all entered this room
knowing a fission bomb
was possible.</font></font>

1128
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:23,490
- How about we leave it
with something new?
- Such as?</font></font>

1129
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:27,527
Instead of uranium or plutonium,
we use hydrogen.</font></font>

1130
01:00:27,527 --> 01:00:28,695
[all murmuring]</font></font>

1131
01:00:28,695 --> 01:00:30,330
Heavy hydrogen.</font></font>

1132
01:00:30,764 --> 01:00:32,332
Deuterium.</font></font>

1133
01:00:32,332 --> 01:00:33,566
You see?</font></font>

1134
01:00:33,566 --> 01:00:36,102
We compact the atoms together
under great pressure</font></font>

1135
01:00:36,102 --> 01:00:38,304
to induce a fusion reaction.</font></font>

1136
01:00:39,172 --> 01:00:41,875
Then we'll get not kilotons,</font></font>

1137
01:00:41,875 --> 01:00:43,209
but megatons.</font></font>

1138
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,745
Okay, hang on, hang on.</font></font>

1139
01:00:45,745 --> 01:00:50,116
So how do you generate
enough force
to fuse hydrogen atoms?</font></font>

1140
01:00:50,984 --> 01:00:52,552
A small fission bomb.</font></font>

1141
01:00:53,153 --> 01:00:54,487
Ah...
There we are!</font></font>

1142
01:00:54,487 --> 01:00:56,189
[applause, laughter]</font></font>

1143
01:00:56,189 --> 01:00:57,924
Well, since we're going
to need one anyway,</font></font>

1144
01:00:57,924 --> 01:00:59,959
can we get back
to the business at hand?</font></font>

1145
01:00:59,959 --> 01:01:04,898
[Bartlett] The isotopes issue
wasn't your most important
policy disagreement</font></font>

1146
01:01:04,898 --> 01:01:06,232
with Dr. Oppenheimer,</font></font>

1147
01:01:06,232 --> 01:01:08,735
it was the hydrogen bomb,
wasn't it?</font></font>

1148
01:01:08,735 --> 01:01:13,907
As colleagues,
we agreed to disagree
on a great many things, uh,</font></font>

1149
01:01:13,907 --> 01:01:18,178
and, well,
one of them was the need
for an H-bomb program, yes.</font></font>

1150
01:01:18,712 --> 01:01:20,180
[siren wailing]</font></font>

1151
01:01:31,324 --> 01:01:34,270
[Strauss]
Thanks for convening
on short notice.</font></font>

1152
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:35,628
I can't believe it.</font></font>

1153
01:01:36,796 --> 01:01:38,640
Here we are.</font></font>

1154
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:39,899
Catch me up.
What do we know?</font></font>

1155
01:01:39,899 --> 01:01:44,237
One of our B-29s
over the North Pacific
has detected radiation.</font></font>

1156
01:01:44,237 --> 01:01:46,139
Do we have the filter paper?</font></font>

1157
01:01:46,139 --> 01:01:48,942
- There's no doubt what this is.
- White House says
there's a doubt.</font></font>

1158
01:01:48,942 --> 01:01:50,410
Wishful thinking,
I'm afraid.</font></font>

1159
01:01:50,410 --> 01:01:53,446
Are those
the long-range detection
filter papers?</font></font>

1160
01:01:54,214 --> 01:01:55,882
It's an atomic test.</font></font>

1161
01:01:59,185 --> 01:02:00,754
The Russians have a bomb.</font></font>

1162
01:02:00,754 --> 01:02:04,124
We're supposed to be
years ahead of them,
but some--</font></font>

1163
01:02:04,124 --> 01:02:07,727
What were you guys
doing at Los Alamos?
Wasn't security tight?</font></font>

1164
01:02:07,727 --> 01:02:10,930
- Of course it was.
You weren't there.
- [Nichols] Forgive me, Doctor...</font></font>

1165
01:02:12,732 --> 01:02:14,167
but I was there.</font></font>

1166
01:02:15,335 --> 01:02:18,638
We can now consider
the actual mechanics
of detonation.</font></font>

1167
01:02:18,638 --> 01:02:19,939
[Oppenheimer] Any ideas?</font></font>

1168
01:02:19,939 --> 01:02:21,574
[Serber] I call this "shooting."</font></font>

1169
01:02:21,574 --> 01:02:25,450
We fire a chunk of
fissionable material
into a larger sphere</font></font>

1170
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:27,747
with enough force
to achieve criticality.</font></font>

1171
01:02:27,747 --> 01:02:29,382
What do we think? Anyone?</font></font>

1172
01:02:29,382 --> 01:02:31,151
[Tolman] I've been thinking
about implosion.</font></font>

1173
01:02:31,151 --> 01:02:34,454
Explosives around
the sphere blast inwards,
crushing the material.</font></font>

1174
01:02:35,288 --> 01:02:37,190
I'd like to investigate
that idea.</font></font>

1175
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:39,592
I'll talk to Ordnance,
get you blowing things up.</font></font>

1176
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,929
- [Groves] Progress?
- Nice to see you too.</font></font>

1177
01:02:43,663 --> 01:02:45,365
Meet the British contingent.</font></font>

1178
01:02:45,365 --> 01:02:47,167
Dr. Oppenheimer,
Klaus Fuchs.</font></font>

1179
01:02:47,167 --> 01:02:49,690
How long have you been British?</font></font>

1180
01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:51,271
Since Hitler told me
I wasn't German. Aha.</font></font>

1181
01:02:51,271 --> 01:02:54,140
Come,
welcome to Los Alamos.</font></font>

1182
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:56,900
School's up and running.</font></font>

1183
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:58,244
Bar... always running.</font></font>

1184
01:02:59,112 --> 01:03:01,448
And I thought of a way
to reduce support staff.</font></font>

1185
01:03:02,582 --> 01:03:04,617
- Is that--
- [Oppenheimer] Mrs. Serber, yes.</font></font>

1186
01:03:04,617 --> 01:03:08,880
I've offered jobs
to all the wives.
Admin, librarians, computation.</font></font>

1187
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,256
We cut down on staff,
keep families together.</font></font>

1188
01:03:10,256 --> 01:03:12,258
- Are these women qualified?
- Don't be absurd.</font></font>

1189
01:03:12,258 --> 01:03:14,594
These are some of
the brightest minds
in our community.</font></font>

1190
01:03:14,594 --> 01:03:16,429
And they're already
security cleared.</font></font>

1191
01:03:16,429 --> 01:03:17,997
I've informed General Groves
you've been holding</font></font>

1192
01:03:17,997 --> 01:03:20,133
cross-divisional,
open discussions
on a nightly basis.</font></font>

1193
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:21,701
Shut them down.</font></font>

1194
01:03:21,701 --> 01:03:23,937
Compartmentalization is the key
to maintaining security--</font></font>

1195
01:03:23,937 --> 01:03:25,271
[Condon]
It's only the top men.</font></font>

1196
01:03:25,271 --> 01:03:27,173
Who presumably communicate
with subordinates.</font></font>

1197
01:03:27,173 --> 01:03:29,275
These men aren't stupid.
They can be discreet.</font></font>

1198
01:03:29,275 --> 01:03:33,179
- I don't like it.
- You don't like anything enough
for that to be a fair test.</font></font>

1199
01:03:38,885 --> 01:03:41,321
Once a week. Top men only.</font></font>

1200
01:03:41,321 --> 01:03:44,124
- I'd like to bring
my brother here.
- No.</font></font>

1201
01:03:45,625 --> 01:03:47,794
Nichols.</font></font>

1202
01:03:47,794 --> 01:03:50,597
I still haven't heard
that my security clearance
has been approved.</font></font>

1203
01:03:50,597 --> 01:03:52,799
- It hasn't.
- We're going to Chicago tomorrow.</font></font>

1204
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:54,401
Well, you should wait.</font></font>

1205
01:03:54,401 --> 01:03:56,903
You are aware that the Nazis
have a two-year head start?</font></font>

1206
01:03:56,903 --> 01:03:58,838
Dr. Oppenheimer,
the fact that
your security clearance</font></font>

1207
01:03:58,838 --> 01:04:01,141
is proving difficult to obtain
is not my fault.</font></font>

1208
01:04:01,141 --> 01:04:03,900
It's yours.</font></font>

1209
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:05,712
May not be your fault,
but it's your problem.
Because I'm going.</font></font>

1210
01:04:05,712 --> 01:04:08,281
[Strauss]
And how many people
were in these, uh,</font></font>

1211
01:04:08,915 --> 01:04:10,583
open discussions?</font></font>

1212
01:04:10,583 --> 01:04:13,860
Too many.
Compartmentalization was
supposed to be the protocol.</font></font>

1213
01:04:13,860 --> 01:04:14,821
We were in a race
against the Nazis.</font></font>

1214
01:04:14,821 --> 01:04:18,224
- And now the race is
against the Soviets.
- Not unless we start it.</font></font>

1215
01:04:18,224 --> 01:04:22,328
Robert, they just fired
a starting gun.</font></font>

1216
01:04:22,328 --> 01:04:24,564
What's the nature of the device
they detonated?</font></font>

1217
01:04:24,564 --> 01:04:28,234
The data indicates
it may have been
a plutonium implosion device.</font></font>

1218
01:04:28,234 --> 01:04:31,204
Like the one you built
at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1219
01:04:31,204 --> 01:04:34,407
The Russians have a bomb,
Truman needs to know
what's next.</font></font>

1220
01:04:34,407 --> 01:04:36,376
What's next? Arms talks.</font></font>

1221
01:04:36,376 --> 01:04:38,211
- Arms talks.
- Obviously.</font></font>

1222
01:04:39,145 --> 01:04:40,680
What about the Super?</font></font>

1223
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,150
Does Truman even know about it?
Did we brief him on that?</font></font>

1224
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:45,585
Not specifically.</font></font>

1225
01:04:45,585 --> 01:04:47,253
We still don't know
if a hydrogen bomb's</font></font>

1226
01:04:47,253 --> 01:04:48,588
technically feasible.</font></font>

1227
01:04:48,588 --> 01:04:50,457
My understanding is
that Teller proposed it?</font></font>

1228
01:04:50,457 --> 01:04:52,250
[Oppenheimer] Yes.
At Los Alamos?</font></font>

1229
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:54,227
Teller's designs have always
been wildly impractical.</font></font>

1230
01:04:54,227 --> 01:04:56,296
You'd have to deliver
by ox cart.</font></font>

1231
01:04:56,296 --> 01:04:58,298
- Not airplane.
- [Lawrence] Oppie.</font></font>

1232
01:04:58,298 --> 01:05:00,767
I'm sorry, Dr. Lawrence.
Do you want to comment?</font></font>

1233
01:05:02,569 --> 01:05:03,670
No.</font></font>

1234
01:05:05,171 --> 01:05:07,674
Because if it can
put us ahead again,</font></font>

1235
01:05:07,674 --> 01:05:12,946
the President
of the United States
needs to know about it.</font></font>

1236
01:05:12,946 --> 01:05:14,748
[scoffs]</font></font>

1237
01:05:14,748 --> 01:05:19,285
And if the Russians
know about it already
from a spy at Los Alamos,</font></font>

1238
01:05:19,285 --> 01:05:20,720
then we've gotta get going.</font></font>

1239
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,656
There's no proof
there was a spy at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1240
01:05:23,656 --> 01:05:24,724
Robert.</font></font>

1241
01:05:29,195 --> 01:05:31,297
They put it
under the football stadium?</font></font>

1242
01:05:31,297 --> 01:05:33,266
The field's
not in use anymore.</font></font>

1243
01:05:33,266 --> 01:05:34,734
Just as well.</font></font>

1244
01:05:37,337 --> 01:05:39,272
- Oppie.
- Dr. Fermi.</font></font>

1245
01:05:39,272 --> 01:05:41,908
Come stai? Va bene?</i></font></font>

1246
01:05:41,908 --> 01:05:44,678
I hear you got
a little town.
Yes. Come and see.</font></font>

1247
01:05:44,678 --> 01:05:46,120
[Szilard chuckles]</font></font>

1248
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,683
Who could think straight
in a place like that? Huh?</font></font>

1249
01:05:50,417 --> 01:05:52,385
Everybody will go crazy.</font></font>

1250
01:05:52,385 --> 01:05:55,689
Thank you for
the vote of confidence, Szilard.</font></font>

1251
01:05:56,756 --> 01:06:00,160
Do we really--
Do we really need that
in the notes?</font></font>

1252
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,228
When are you going to
try it out?</font></font>

1253
01:06:02,228 --> 01:06:03,863
We did.</font></font>

1254
01:06:03,863 --> 01:06:07,500
[Fermi]
The first self-sustaining
nuclear chain reaction.</font></font>

1255
01:06:08,101 --> 01:06:09,436
Didn't Groves tell you?</font></font>

1256
01:06:09,436 --> 01:06:11,438
[Geiger counter humming]
No.</font></font>

1257
01:06:15,842 --> 01:06:18,978
[soldier]
One at a time, please.
One at a time.</font></font>

1258
01:06:18,978 --> 01:06:20,780
Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

1259
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:24,500
I tried Personnel.
They asked if I could type.</font></font>

1260
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:25,251
Can you?</font></font>

1261
01:06:25,251 --> 01:06:26,419
Harvard forgot to teach that</font></font>

1262
01:06:26,419 --> 01:06:28,221
on the graduate
chemistry course.</font></font>

1263
01:06:29,789 --> 01:06:32,659
Condon, put Mrs. Hornig here
on the plutonium team.</font></font>

1264
01:06:38,331 --> 01:06:40,200
What the hell
were you doing in Chicago?</font></font>

1265
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,634
Visiting the Met?</font></font>

1266
01:06:41,634 --> 01:06:44,637
Why?
Because we have
every right--</font></font>

1267
01:06:44,637 --> 01:06:48,908
You have just the rights
that I give you.
No more, no less.</font></font>

1268
01:06:48,908 --> 01:06:51,440
We are adults trying
to run a project here.</font></font>

1269
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,746
This is ridiculous.</font></font>

1270
01:06:52,746 --> 01:06:53,813
Tell him.</font></font>

1271
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,284
Compartmentalization
is the protocol we agreed to.</font></font>

1272
01:06:58,885 --> 01:07:00,487
Enough of this madhouse.</font></font>

1273
01:07:00,487 --> 01:07:02,489
Nobody can work
under these conditions.</font></font>

1274
01:07:02,489 --> 01:07:05,658
You know what,
Generalissimo?</font></font>

1275
01:07:05,658 --> 01:07:07,270
I quit.</font></font>

1276
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:08,461
Thanks for nothing.</font></font>

1277
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:12,980
[Groves]
Better off without him.</font></font>

1278
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:13,199
[door slams]</font></font>

1279
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:14,267
Aren't you more concerned</font></font>

1280
01:07:14,267 --> 01:07:16,603
about his discretion out there?</font></font>

1281
01:07:17,404 --> 01:07:18,972
We'll have him killed.</font></font>

1282
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,609
I was just kidding.
[chuckles]</font></font>

1283
01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:24,944
No, he hates me, not America.</font></font>

1284
01:07:24,944 --> 01:07:28,148
You know, General,
not everyone has levers
to pull like mine.</font></font>

1285
01:07:28,148 --> 01:07:29,916
I don't think I understand.</font></font>

1286
01:07:29,916 --> 01:07:32,218
You didn't hire me
despite my left-wing past,</font></font>

1287
01:07:32,218 --> 01:07:33,953
you hired me because of it.</font></font>

1288
01:07:34,888 --> 01:07:36,690
So you could control me.</font></font>

1289
01:07:36,690 --> 01:07:39,426
Well, I'm not that subtle.</font></font>

1290
01:07:39,426 --> 01:07:40,894
I'm just a humble soldier.</font></font>

1291
01:07:40,894 --> 01:07:42,962
You're neither humble,
nor just a soldier.</font></font>

1292
01:07:42,962 --> 01:07:45,832
- You studied engineering at MIT.
- Guilty as charged.</font></font>

1293
01:07:45,832 --> 01:07:47,367
Well, now we understand
each other,</font></font>

1294
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:48,902
perhaps you can get me
my security clearance</font></font>

1295
01:07:48,902 --> 01:07:51,805
so I can perform
this miracle for you.</font></font>

1296
01:07:56,943 --> 01:07:59,446
[attorney] General Groves,
were you aware of
Dr. Oppenheimer's</i></font></font>

1297
01:07:59,446 --> 01:08:01,881
left-wing associations
when you appointed him?</i></font></font>

1298
01:08:01,881 --> 01:08:04,170
[Groves] I was aware
that there were
suspicions about him.</font></font>

1299
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:07,153
I was aware
he had a very extreme,
liberal background.</font></font>

1300
01:08:07,153 --> 01:08:10,390
In your opinion,
would he ever consciously
commit a disloyal act?</font></font>

1301
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:12,192
I would be amazed if he did.</font></font>

1302
01:08:12,192 --> 01:08:15,950
[attorney] So you had
complete confidence
in his integrity?</font></font>

1303
01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:17,831
At Los Alamos, yes,
which is where
I really knew him.</font></font>

1304
01:08:17,831 --> 01:08:20,633
General,
did your security officers
on the project</font></font>

1305
01:08:20,633 --> 01:08:22,902
advise you
against the clearance
of Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

1306
01:08:22,902 --> 01:08:26,740
They could not and would not
clear him until I insisted.</font></font>

1307
01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:30,777
And it's safe to say that you
had a pretty good knowledge of
Dr. Oppenheimer's security file.</font></font>

1308
01:08:30,777 --> 01:08:32,245
I did.</font></font>

1309
01:08:32,245 --> 01:08:34,848
There's only really one question
I need answered here today.</font></font>

1310
01:08:34,848 --> 01:08:36,916
In light of
the current AEC guidelines,</font></font>

1311
01:08:36,916 --> 01:08:39,586
would you clear
Dr. Oppenheimer today?</font></font>

1312
01:08:39,586 --> 01:08:41,688
Do you have the guidelines?</font></font>

1313
01:08:48,828 --> 01:08:51,364
[Robb] Under current
AEC guidelines,</font></font>

1314
01:08:51,364 --> 01:08:55,335
would you clear
Dr. Oppenheimer today?</font></font>

1315
01:08:55,335 --> 01:08:58,772
[rooster crows]
[car approaching]</font></font>

1316
01:09:04,144 --> 01:09:05,945
[car door opens, closes]</font></font>

1317
01:09:06,613 --> 01:09:08,381
Physics and New Mexico, huh?</font></font>

1318
01:09:08,381 --> 01:09:09,716
[chuckles]</font></font>

1319
01:09:09,716 --> 01:09:11,151
My God.</font></font>

1320
01:09:11,151 --> 01:09:12,619
What a trek.</font></font>

1321
01:09:12,619 --> 01:09:14,154
That's why you need
a liaison.</font></font>

1322
01:09:14,154 --> 01:09:15,722
I'm appointing Lomanitz.</font></font>

1323
01:09:16,623 --> 01:09:17,957
You're gonna be okay.</font></font>

1324
01:09:17,957 --> 01:09:19,426
This way, gentlemen.</font></font>

1325
01:09:21,394 --> 01:09:23,196
[beakers clinking]</font></font>

1326
01:09:23,196 --> 01:09:25,331
[gas hissing]</font></font>

1327
01:09:29,235 --> 01:09:31,137
- Dr. Lawrence.
- Leslie.</font></font>

1328
01:09:31,137 --> 01:09:33,540
I'd like to remind you what
we talked about in Berkeley.</font></font>

1329
01:09:33,540 --> 01:09:35,875
Compartmentalization.
I understand completely.</font></font>

1330
01:09:39,790 --> 01:09:40,413
[chattering]</font></font>

1331
01:09:41,414 --> 01:09:42,649
Thank you.</font></font>

1332
01:09:47,253 --> 01:09:49,522
[all cheering]</font></font>

1333
01:09:50,724 --> 01:09:52,425
[Lawrence]
Greetings from Berkeley.</i></font></font>

1334
01:09:52,425 --> 01:09:55,261
I am here to update you
on our progress
and solicit your input.</font></font>

1335
01:09:55,261 --> 01:09:57,864
To do so,
I am going to have to
share a few things</font></font>

1336
01:09:57,864 --> 01:10:00,667
that General Groves
told me not to.</font></font>

1337
01:10:00,667 --> 01:10:03,603
Sorry, General,
I said I understood,
not that I agreed.</font></font>

1338
01:10:03,603 --> 01:10:05,271
[all chuckling]
[Lawrence] Okay.</font></font>

1339
01:10:05,271 --> 01:10:07,173
Gentlemen, to business.</font></font>

1340
01:10:07,173 --> 01:10:09,876
There were rumors
of espionage
at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1341
01:10:09,876 --> 01:10:11,378
Unsubstantiated.</font></font>

1342
01:10:11,378 --> 01:10:14,180
[Strauss] I'm told that there
were communists on the project.</font></font>

1343
01:10:14,180 --> 01:10:16,249
We didn't knowingly employ
any communists.</font></font>

1344
01:10:16,249 --> 01:10:18,985
Were any of them involved
in discussions of the Super?</font></font>

1345
01:10:18,985 --> 01:10:21,721
I seem to remember
you demanding your brother
come to Los Alamos.</font></font>

1346
01:10:21,721 --> 01:10:23,523
My brother had left
the Party by then.</font></font>

1347
01:10:23,523 --> 01:10:24,824
What about Lomanitz?</font></font>

1348
01:10:24,824 --> 01:10:26,559
Lomanitz was never employed
at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1349
01:10:26,559 --> 01:10:27,627
He was a liaison.</font></font>

1350
01:10:27,627 --> 01:10:28,862
Our security was tight,</font></font>

1351
01:10:28,862 --> 01:10:30,764
as former Colonel Nichols
well knows.</font></font>

1352
01:10:30,764 --> 01:10:33,266
Our security was as tight
as it could be given
the personalities involved,</font></font>

1353
01:10:33,266 --> 01:10:34,968
but attempts were made.</font></font>

1354
01:10:34,968 --> 01:10:37,570
- What is that supposed to mean?
- We've all read his file here.</font></font>

1355
01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:40,774
Do we need to talk
about Jean Tatlock?</font></font>

1356
01:10:41,474 --> 01:10:43,877
Or the Chevalier incident?</font></font>

1357
01:10:48,181 --> 01:10:49,482
Excuse me.</font></font>

1358
01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:54,120
- [phone ringing]
- [secretary]
That's Lomanitz, on line one.</font></font>

1359
01:11:00,593 --> 01:11:01,695
Hello, Rossi.</font></font>

1360
01:11:01,695 --> 01:11:04,931
What? Okay, just calm down.</i></font></font>

1361
01:11:05,765 --> 01:11:07,233
There's been another screw-up.</font></font>

1362
01:11:07,233 --> 01:11:08,835
Lomanitz just got drafted.</font></font>

1363
01:11:08,835 --> 01:11:11,604
- We are at war, Doctor.
- Don't be an ***hole, Nichols.</font></font>

1364
01:11:11,604 --> 01:11:13,673
We need this kid.
Fix it, will you?</font></font>

1365
01:11:13,673 --> 01:11:15,410
It wasn't a mistake.</font></font>

1366
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:16,576
Your friend Lomanitz
has been trying</font></font>

1367
01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:17,944
to unionize the Radiation Lab.</font></font>

1368
01:11:17,944 --> 01:11:19,713
He promised
to quit all that.</font></font>

1369
01:11:19,713 --> 01:11:21,648
Well, he hasn't.</font></font>

1370
01:11:21,648 --> 01:11:24,918
Security officer at Berkeley's
concerned about
communist infiltration</font></font>

1371
01:11:24,918 --> 01:11:27,530
through that union, the FA--</font></font>

1372
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:28,988
FAECT.</font></font>

1373
01:11:31,124 --> 01:11:33,560
Well, I'm there next week,
I'll...</font></font>

1374
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,950
drop in to see him.</font></font>

1375
01:11:36,863 --> 01:11:38,798
Your Q clearance came through.</font></font>

1376
01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:46,139
It's important
you not maintain or renew
any questionable associations.</font></font>

1377
01:11:50,777 --> 01:11:52,679
[Robb] Doctor,
did you think social contacts</i></font></font>

1378
01:11:52,679 --> 01:11:57,170
between a person
engaged on secret war work
and communists was dangerous?</font></font>

1379
01:11:57,170 --> 01:12:00,820
My awareness of the danger
would be greater today.</font></font>

1380
01:12:00,820 --> 01:12:03,556
I mean, it's fair to say
that during the war years,</font></font>

1381
01:12:03,556 --> 01:12:07,193
you felt that such contacts
were potentially dangerous?</i></font></font>

1382
01:12:12,232 --> 01:12:13,700
[elevator bell dings]</font></font>

1383
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:16,369
[Oppenheimer] Were
conceivably dangerous, yes.</i></font></font>

1384
01:12:16,369 --> 01:12:20,173
[Robb] I mean, really?
Known communists?</i></font></font>

1385
01:12:22,776 --> 01:12:24,100
[Oppenheimer] Look...</i></font></font>

1386
01:12:25,450 --> 01:12:29,416
I've had a lot of secrets
in my head for a long time.</font></font>

1387
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:32,180
Doesn't matter
who I associate with.</i></font></font>

1388
01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:34,954
I don't talk
about those secrets.</font></font>

1389
01:12:42,429 --> 01:12:44,164
[Robb] You said
in your statement</font></font>

1390
01:12:45,198 --> 01:12:47,367
that you had to</font></font>

1391
01:12:47,367 --> 01:12:49,869
see Jean Tatlock in 1943.</font></font>

1392
01:12:51,538 --> 01:12:56,409
Because she had indicated
a great desire to see me
before we left.</font></font>

1393
01:12:56,409 --> 01:13:01,181
At that time, I couldn't,
but I felt that
she had to see me.</font></font>

1394
01:13:01,181 --> 01:13:03,983
She was undergoing
psychiatric treatment.</font></font>

1395
01:13:03,983 --> 01:13:06,860
She was extremely unhappy.</font></font>

1396
01:13:07,821 --> 01:13:09,890
Jean.</font></font>

1397
01:13:09,789 --> 01:13:11,424
You asked me to come.</font></font>

1398
01:13:12,292 --> 01:13:14,194
And I'm glad I did.</font></font>

1399
01:13:14,894 --> 01:13:16,863
But I can't see you again.</font></font>

1400
01:13:19,899 --> 01:13:21,868
But what if I need you?</font></font>

1401
01:13:25,405 --> 01:13:27,640
You said
you would always answer.</font></font>

1402
01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:32,579
Not a word.</font></font>

1403
01:13:32,579 --> 01:13:34,981
[Robb] Did you think that
consistent with good security?</font></font>

1404
01:13:34,981 --> 01:13:38,840
- [rhythmic thudding]
- As a matter of fact, it was.
Not a word.</font></font>

1405
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,486
[thudding intensifies]</font></font>

1406
01:13:39,486 --> 01:13:41,521
[Robb] When did you see her
after that?</font></font>

1407
01:13:47,827 --> 01:13:49,262
[thudding stops]</font></font>

1408
01:13:49,763 --> 01:13:51,398
I never saw her again.</font></font>

1409
01:13:57,637 --> 01:14:00,707
I can make the last train
back to Princeton.</font></font>

1410
01:14:00,707 --> 01:14:03,209
Kitty, I didn't say anything
that I hadn't already told you.</font></font>

1411
01:14:03,209 --> 01:14:07,130
Today you said it
to history, didn't you?
This is a closed hearing.</font></font>

1412
01:14:08,748 --> 01:14:11,651
If they don't release
the transcript,
I'm sure you will.</font></font>

1413
01:14:11,651 --> 01:14:12,819
I was under oath.</font></font>

1414
01:14:12,819 --> 01:14:14,120
Well, you were
under an oath to me</font></font>

1415
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,989
when you went to see Jean.</font></font>

1416
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:18,324
You know, you...</font></font>

1417
01:14:18,958 --> 01:14:20,560
you sit there,</font></font>

1418
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,594
day after day,</font></font>

1419
01:14:22,495 --> 01:14:25,198
letting them
pick our lives to pieces.</font></font>

1420
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:29,102
Why won't you fight?</font></font>

1421
01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:35,308
[attorney]
Robert, I'm not
putting her up there.</font></font>

1422
01:14:40,647 --> 01:14:43,483
Dr. Oppenheimer, it's an honor.
Please, take a seat.</font></font>

1423
01:14:43,483 --> 01:14:45,585
No need,
I just wanted to check</font></font>

1424
01:14:45,585 --> 01:14:49,222
whether I should
talk to Lomanitz while I'm here,
given your concerns.</font></font>

1425
01:14:49,222 --> 01:14:52,592
Well, I'd say that's really
up to you, Professor,
but I'd be cautious.</font></font>

1426
01:14:52,592 --> 01:14:53,960
Uh-huh. Understood.</font></font>

1427
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,429
Oh, and, um... [clears throat]
...as regards to the union,</font></font>

1428
01:14:56,429 --> 01:15:00,133
I wanted to give you a heads-up
on a man named Eltenton.</font></font>

1429
01:15:00,133 --> 01:15:01,634
- A heads-up?
- Yes.</font></font>

1430
01:15:01,634 --> 01:15:04,971
Just that he might
merit watching, is all.</font></font>

1431
01:15:06,172 --> 01:15:07,741
I'd love to get
more details.</font></font>

1432
01:15:07,741 --> 01:15:10,844
Well, I have an appointment now,
and I leave early tomorrow.</font></font>

1433
01:15:10,844 --> 01:15:14,981
Well, come back
as early as you like.
Since you haven't time now.</font></font>

1434
01:15:15,882 --> 01:15:17,617
You went back the next morning.</font></font>

1435
01:15:17,617 --> 01:15:19,652
I did. I had to, really.</font></font>

1436
01:15:20,453 --> 01:15:22,489
This time
there was another man.</i></font></font>

1437
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:25,291
He said his name was Pash.</font></font>

1438
01:15:25,291 --> 01:15:27,827
Pash. You met Colonel Pash?</font></font>

1439
01:15:27,827 --> 01:15:30,864
[Robb] Colonel Pash,
could you please read
from your memo</font></font>

1440
01:15:30,864 --> 01:15:33,400
dated June 29, 1943?</font></font>

1441
01:15:34,768 --> 01:15:37,370
[Pash] "Results of surveillance
conducted on subject</font></font>

1442
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:40,340
indicate further possible
Communist Party connections.</font></font>

1443
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:42,876
Subject met with, and spent
considerable time with,</font></font>

1444
01:15:42,876 --> 01:15:44,844
one Jean Tatlock, communist,</font></font>

1445
01:15:44,844 --> 01:15:46,279
the record of whom is attached."</font></font>

1446
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,982
- The subject being
Dr. Oppenheimer?
- [Pash] Yes.</font></font>

1447
01:15:48,982 --> 01:15:50,417
[Robb] Whom you had not met?</font></font>

1448
01:15:50,417 --> 01:15:52,285
[Pash] Not then, but soon after.</font></font>

1449
01:15:52,285 --> 01:15:54,621
He's the head of security
for the project.
Shouldn't I know him?</font></font>

1450
01:15:54,621 --> 01:15:58,525
No, he should know you.
I would never put you
in a room with Pash.</font></font>

1451
01:15:58,525 --> 01:16:00,260
Why not?</font></font>

1452
01:16:00,260 --> 01:16:01,728
When Pash first heard
about Lomanitz,</font></font>

1453
01:16:01,728 --> 01:16:04,931
he told the FBI
he was gonna kidnap him,</font></font>

1454
01:16:04,931 --> 01:16:06,599
take him out on a boat</font></font>

1455
01:16:06,599 --> 01:16:09,369
and interrogate him
in the Russian manner.</font></font>

1456
01:16:11,971 --> 01:16:14,341
General Groves has placed in me
a certain responsibility,</font></font>

1457
01:16:14,341 --> 01:16:16,743
and it's like having a child
who I can't see.</font></font>

1458
01:16:17,744 --> 01:16:19,245
By remote control.</font></font>

1459
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:21,815
So to actually meet you is...</font></font>

1460
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:26,219
- I won't take up
too much of your time.
- No, not at all.</font></font>

1461
01:16:26,219 --> 01:16:28,355
Whatever time you choose.</font></font>

1462
01:16:28,355 --> 01:16:30,523
Mr. Johnson told me
of a conversation
you had yesterday</font></font>

1463
01:16:30,523 --> 01:16:32,250
in which
I'm very interested.</font></font>

1464
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:34,600
It's had me worried all day.</font></font>

1465
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,764
Yes, well, I didn't want
to talk to Lomanitz
without authorization.</font></font>

1466
01:16:37,764 --> 01:16:39,766
That's not the particular
interest that I have.</font></font>

1467
01:16:39,766 --> 01:16:41,601
It's something
a little bit more...</font></font>

1468
01:16:42,969 --> 01:16:44,404
in my opinion, more serious.</font></font>

1469
01:16:44,404 --> 01:16:47,207
Now, when the FBI pointed out
that such information</font></font>

1470
01:16:47,207 --> 01:16:48,975
wouldn't be admissible in court,</font></font>

1471
01:16:48,975 --> 01:16:51,945
Pash made it clear
he had no intention
of leaving any witness left</font></font>

1472
01:16:51,945 --> 01:16:53,130
to prosecute.</font></font>

1473
01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:54,414
Now, the FBI talked him down,</font></font>

1474
01:16:54,414 --> 01:16:55,915
but that's the man
you're dancing with.</font></font>

1475
01:16:55,915 --> 01:16:58,752
I gather you've heard
there are other parties</font></font>

1476
01:16:58,752 --> 01:17:01,421
interested in the work
of the Radiation Lab?</font></font>

1477
01:17:01,421 --> 01:17:05,325
A man attached
to the Soviet Consul</font></font>

1478
01:17:05,325 --> 01:17:08,395
indicated through
intermediate people</font></font>

1479
01:17:08,395 --> 01:17:10,163
to people
on this project</font></font>

1480
01:17:10,163 --> 01:17:11,965
that he was in a position</font></font>

1481
01:17:11,965 --> 01:17:13,500
to transmit information.</font></font>

1482
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:16,269
Why would anyone on the project
wanna do that?</font></font>

1483
01:17:17,771 --> 01:17:20,273
Frankly, I can see
that there might be an argument</font></font>

1484
01:17:20,273 --> 01:17:22,642
for the commander-in-chief
informing the Russians.</font></font>

1485
01:17:22,642 --> 01:17:24,711
They're our allies
after all.</font></font>

1486
01:17:24,711 --> 01:17:27,614
But I don't like the idea
of it going out the back door.</font></font>

1487
01:17:27,614 --> 01:17:30,250
It might not hurt
to be on the lookout for it.</font></font>

1488
01:17:31,184 --> 01:17:32,952
And you said that to Pash?</font></font>

1489
01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:37,290
I was trying to put it
in the context of
"Russia's not Germany."</font></font>

1490
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:41,961
Boris Pash is the son
of a Russian Orthodox bishop.</font></font>

1491
01:17:41,961 --> 01:17:43,763
Born here, but in 1918,</font></font>

1492
01:17:43,763 --> 01:17:46,166
he went back to Russia
to fight the Bolsheviks.</font></font>

1493
01:17:46,166 --> 01:17:49,102
This is a man
who has killed communists
with his own hands.</font></font>

1494
01:17:49,102 --> 01:17:52,472
I'm not the judge of who should
or should not have information.</font></font>

1495
01:17:52,472 --> 01:17:55,208
It's my business to stop it
from going through illegally.</font></font>

1496
01:17:55,208 --> 01:17:57,377
Would you be
a little more specific?</font></font>

1497
01:17:59,412 --> 01:18:03,616
There's a man whose name
was mentioned to me
a couple of times.</font></font>

1498
01:18:03,616 --> 01:18:05,518
Eltenton.</font></font>

1499
01:18:05,518 --> 01:18:08,888
Uh, I believe he's a chemist
who works at Shell.</font></font>

1500
01:18:08,888 --> 01:18:11,858
He talked to a friend of his</font></font>

1501
01:18:11,858 --> 01:18:15,195
who's an acquaintance
of someone on the project.</font></font>

1502
01:18:16,529 --> 01:18:18,898
And you thought Pash
would be satisfied with that?</font></font>

1503
01:18:18,898 --> 01:18:23,360
I was attempting
to give them Eltenton
without opening a can of worms.</font></font>

1504
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,804
I told them
a ****-and-bull story.</font></font>

1505
01:18:24,804 --> 01:18:26,473
Did you lie
to General Groves too?</font></font>

1506
01:18:26,473 --> 01:18:29,943
No. I admitted to him
that I'd lied to Pash.</font></font>

1507
01:18:29,943 --> 01:18:33,413
[attorney]
Do you recall this conversation
about the Chevalier incident?</font></font>

1508
01:18:33,413 --> 01:18:36,249
[scoffs] I've seen
so many versions of it,</font></font>

1509
01:18:36,249 --> 01:18:39,119
I wasn't confused before
but I'm certainly
getting there now.</font></font>

1510
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:40,353
[attorney]
What was your conclusion?</font></font>

1511
01:18:40,353 --> 01:18:42,756
That he was
under the influence of</font></font>

1512
01:18:42,756 --> 01:18:45,658
the typical
American schoolboy attitude</font></font>

1513
01:18:45,658 --> 01:18:49,295
that there's something wicked
about telling on a friend.</font></font>

1514
01:18:49,295 --> 01:18:51,310
Well, now...</font></font>

1515
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:53,767
Might we know through whom
the contact was made?</font></font>

1516
01:18:53,767 --> 01:18:58,271
That would involve people
who are not to be involved
in this.</font></font>

1517
01:18:58,271 --> 01:19:01,700
Is that someone
a member of the project?</font></font>

1518
01:19:01,700 --> 01:19:06,479
- A member of the faculty, yes,
but not in the project, no.
- Ah.</font></font>

1519
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:11,651
So Eltenton made his approach
through a member of the faculty
here at Berkeley?</font></font>

1520
01:19:13,353 --> 01:19:15,755
As far as I know--
As far as I know, yes.</font></font>

1521
01:19:15,755 --> 01:19:17,924
But... [stammers]
...there may have been</font></font>

1522
01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:20,627
more than one person involved.</font></font>

1523
01:19:25,231 --> 01:19:29,402
Gentlemen, if I--
If I seem uncooperative,
I think you can understand</font></font>

1524
01:19:29,402 --> 01:19:30,737
it's because of my insistence</font></font>

1525
01:19:30,737 --> 01:19:33,340
in not getting innocent people
into trouble.</font></font>

1526
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:36,476
You're trying to
protect your friend.
Who's protecting you?</font></font>

1527
01:19:36,476 --> 01:19:39,212
- Well, you could.
- If you gave me the name.</font></font>

1528
01:19:39,212 --> 01:19:40,780
If you order me to,
I'll do it.</font></font>

1529
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:44,840
That is a mistake, Robert.
You need to volunteer this name.</font></font>

1530
01:19:45,318 --> 01:19:47,787
[Robb] And did he
give you the name?</i>
[Groves] He did.</i></font></font>

1531
01:19:47,787 --> 01:19:49,556
[Robb]
But not then, did he?
No.</font></font>

1532
01:19:49,556 --> 01:19:51,958
No. In fact,
it was some months later,
wasn't it?</font></font>

1533
01:19:51,958 --> 01:19:53,259
It was.</font></font>

1534
01:19:53,259 --> 01:19:55,729
- You see me as persistent.
- Well, you are--</font></font>

1535
01:19:55,729 --> 01:19:57,764
You are persistent,
but that is your job.</font></font>

1536
01:19:57,764 --> 01:20:01,267
And-And my job
is to protect the people
that work for me.</font></font>

1537
01:20:01,267 --> 01:20:05,538
Instead of us going
on certain steps, which may
come to your attention...</font></font>

1538
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:08,808
and be disturbing to you,</font></font>

1539
01:20:08,808 --> 01:20:11,611
I would like to discuss those
with you first.</font></font>

1540
01:20:11,611 --> 01:20:15,815
I'm not formulating a plan.
I'll just have to digest
the whole thing.</font></font>

1541
01:20:19,853 --> 01:20:22,956
In the months
in between your interview
with Dr. Oppenheimer</font></font>

1542
01:20:22,956 --> 01:20:25,492
and his eventual
naming of Chevalier,</font></font>

1543
01:20:25,492 --> 01:20:28,695
did you expend resources
trying to find the name
of the intermediary?</font></font>

1544
01:20:28,695 --> 01:20:31,640
Considerable resources, yes.</font></font>

1545
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,366
Without the name,
our job was extremely difficult.</font></font>

1546
01:20:33,366 --> 01:20:34,968
And when did you
receive the name?</font></font>

1547
01:20:34,968 --> 01:20:37,704
I was gone
by the time Oppenheimer
finally offered it up.</font></font>

1548
01:20:37,704 --> 01:20:41,700
- Gone?
- They felt my time would
be better spent in Europe</font></font>

1549
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:43,376
determining the status
of the Nazi bomb project.</font></font>

1550
01:20:43,376 --> 01:20:44,778
Who did?</font></font>

1551
01:20:45,945 --> 01:20:47,130
General Groves.</font></font>

1552
01:20:47,747 --> 01:20:49,549
He transferred me to London.</font></font>

1553
01:20:52,252 --> 01:20:53,486
[marbles clattering]</font></font>

1554
01:20:55,989 --> 01:20:57,891
[Serber]
It's a little early
for a Christmas party.</i></font></font>

1555
01:20:57,891 --> 01:21:01,494
Something's up.
Tolman's been away.</font></font>

1556
01:21:02,328 --> 01:21:03,697
Where?</font></font>

1557
01:21:03,697 --> 01:21:05,980
Ruth won't tell.</font></font>

1558
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,300
[chattering]</font></font>

1559
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:11,710
Hey!</font></font>

1560
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:18,778
Come on, Ruthie.
Can't tell me,
who can you tell?</font></font>

1561
01:21:18,778 --> 01:21:20,613
Compartmentalization,
Oppie.</font></font>

1562
01:21:21,548 --> 01:21:23,616
What makes you think
I know where he is anyway?</font></font>

1563
01:21:23,616 --> 01:21:25,485
'Cause you do
a pretty good job of knowing</font></font>

1564
01:21:25,485 --> 01:21:27,620
where Mr. Tolman is
when it counts.</font></font>

1565
01:21:28,121 --> 01:21:29,155
Like now?</font></font>

1566
01:21:29,155 --> 01:21:32,492
[Groves] Attention!</font></font>

1567
01:21:32,492 --> 01:21:34,127
[chattering stops]</font></font>

1568
01:21:35,128 --> 01:21:37,597
[Groves]
Early Christmas present
for you all.</font></font>

1569
01:21:38,298 --> 01:21:40,367
[scattered laughter]</font></font>

1570
01:21:41,968 --> 01:21:44,371
[cheering]</font></font>

1571
01:21:45,705 --> 01:21:48,800
[Bohr] The British pilots
put me in the bomb bay.</i></font></font>

1572
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,277
Showed me the-the oxygen,
you know, but I messed it up.</font></font>

1573
01:21:51,277 --> 01:21:52,812
[scattered laughter]</font></font>

1574
01:21:52,812 --> 01:21:54,647
When they opened me up
in Scotland,
I was unconscious.</font></font>

1575
01:21:54,647 --> 01:21:57,684
- But I pretended
I'd been napping.
- [laughing]</font></font>

1576
01:21:57,684 --> 01:21:59,486
Please enjoy your party.</font></font>

1577
01:22:00,420 --> 01:22:01,921
Is it big enough?</font></font>

1578
01:22:01,921 --> 01:22:03,456
To end the war?</font></font>

1579
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:06,126
To end all war.</font></font>

1580
01:22:08,828 --> 01:22:13,400
Heisenberg sought me out
in Copenhagen.
[marbles clattering]</font></font>

1581
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,870
It was chilling,
my old student working
for the Nazis.</font></font>

1582
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:20,907
He told me some things
to draw me out.</font></font>

1583
01:22:21,708 --> 01:22:24,644
Sustained fission reactions
in uranium.</font></font>

1584
01:22:24,644 --> 01:22:26,780
That sounds
more like a reactor
than a bomb.</font></font>

1585
01:22:26,780 --> 01:22:28,648
Did he mention
gaseous diffusion?</font></font>

1586
01:22:28,648 --> 01:22:31,840
He seemed more focused
on heavy water.</font></font>

1587
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,752
As a moderator?</font></font>

1588
01:22:32,752 --> 01:22:34,220
Yes, instead of graphite.</font></font>

1589
01:22:34,220 --> 01:22:36,189
[Bethe laughs]</font></font>

1590
01:22:37,257 --> 01:22:38,725
What?</font></font>

1591
01:22:39,559 --> 01:22:42,395
He took a wrong turn.
We're ahead.</font></font>

1592
01:22:42,395 --> 01:22:44,197
And with you here
to help us, Niels...</font></font>

1593
01:22:44,197 --> 01:22:48,201
Sorry, could you-- could you
give us a moment, gentlemen?</font></font>

1594
01:22:48,201 --> 01:22:49,536
[glasses clinking]</font></font>

1595
01:22:54,574 --> 01:22:57,377
I am not here to help, Robert.</font></font>

1596
01:22:57,377 --> 01:22:59,612
I knew you could do this
without me.</font></font>

1597
01:22:59,612 --> 01:23:01,581
Then why did you come?
To talk about after.</font></font>

1598
01:23:01,581 --> 01:23:06,386
The power you're about to reveal
will forever outlive the Nazis.</font></font>

1599
01:23:06,986 --> 01:23:09,189
And the world is not prepared.</font></font>

1600
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:12,158
"You could lift the stone
without being ready for
the snake that's revealed."</font></font>

1601
01:23:12,158 --> 01:23:14,294
We have to make
the politicians understand,</font></font>

1602
01:23:14,294 --> 01:23:15,895
this isn't a new weapon.</font></font>

1603
01:23:16,396 --> 01:23:17,797
It's a new world.</font></font>

1604
01:23:17,797 --> 01:23:21,334
I'll be out there
doing what I can, but you...</font></font>

1605
01:23:21,334 --> 01:23:24,370
You are an American Prometheus.</font></font>

1606
01:23:24,370 --> 01:23:28,208
The man who gave them the power
to destroy themselves,</font></font>

1607
01:23:28,208 --> 01:23:29,876
and they'll respect that.</font></font>

1608
01:23:29,876 --> 01:23:32,145
Then your work really begins.</font></font>

1609
01:23:36,616 --> 01:23:39,152
I'm sorry, Oppie,
but there's a call.</font></font>

1610
01:23:40,754 --> 01:23:42,255
From San Francisco.</font></font>

1611
01:23:49,295 --> 01:23:50,597
Robert?</font></font>

1612
01:23:54,968 --> 01:23:56,436
Robert?</font></font>

1613
01:23:56,436 --> 01:23:59,500
Robert. Robert.</font></font>

1614
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:00,674
Oh, my God.
What's the matter?</font></font>

1615
01:24:00,674 --> 01:24:01,875
What happened?</font></font>

1616
01:24:01,875 --> 01:24:03,443
[both breathing heavily]</font></font>

1617
01:24:03,443 --> 01:24:05,412
Her father called.</font></font>

1618
01:24:05,412 --> 01:24:07,180
They found her yesterday
in the bath.</font></font>

1619
01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:10,116
Who?</font></font>

1620
01:24:11,451 --> 01:24:12,952
She'd taken pills.</font></font>

1621
01:24:12,952 --> 01:24:14,454
Left a note, not signed.</i></font></font>

1622
01:24:15,789 --> 01:24:19,250
She took barbiturates,
but there was chloral hydrate
in her blood.</font></font>

1623
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:20,694
[gasping]</font></font>

1624
01:24:22,462 --> 01:24:23,863
There was a note.</font></font>

1625
01:24:24,464 --> 01:24:26,320
Jean Tatlock?</font></font>

1626
01:24:32,572 --> 01:24:33,807
We were together.</font></font>

1627
01:24:33,807 --> 01:24:36,176
She said she needed me. I...</font></font>

1628
01:24:38,445 --> 01:24:40,980
I told her I...
[breathing shakily]
...I wouldn't--</font></font>

1629
01:24:41,648 --> 01:24:43,450
I told her I couldn't--</font></font>

1630
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:45,719
No, it was-- it was me--</font></font>

1631
01:24:46,853 --> 01:24:50,190
[breathing heavily]
You don't get to
commit the sin</font></font>

1632
01:24:50,190 --> 01:24:53,960
and then have us all
feel sorry for you
that it had consequences.</font></font>

1633
01:24:56,996 --> 01:24:59,132
You pull yourself together.</font></font>

1634
01:25:02,902 --> 01:25:05,710
You know,
people here depend on you.</font></font>

1635
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:09,142
[Serber]
Donald, would you like to
contribute here, please?</font></font>

1636
01:25:09,142 --> 01:25:11,144
[Donald]
You're on your own, pal.</font></font>

1637
01:25:11,144 --> 01:25:13,346
Bob, I'm not quitting my job
because plutonium
is radioactive.</font></font>

1638
01:25:13,346 --> 01:25:16,349
We just don't know
what it might do to
the female reproductive system--</font></font>

1639
01:25:16,349 --> 01:25:19,486
Your reproductive system
is more exposed than mine, presumably.</font></font>

1640
01:25:19,486 --> 01:25:22,288
Can we please?
The implosion device
is nowhere.</font></font>

1641
01:25:22,288 --> 01:25:24,424
You can't rush everything.
Oppie, please.</font></font>

1642
01:25:24,424 --> 01:25:26,760
Well, there's rushing
and there's getting on with it,
so, pick one.</font></font>

1643
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,728
Wait. Neddermeyer's
doing his job.</font></font>

1644
01:25:28,728 --> 01:25:31,297
Teller's not helping.
You're not helping.</font></font>

1645
01:25:31,297 --> 01:25:34,000
I've been asking for
calculations on the implosion
lenses for weeks.</font></font>

1646
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,569
- The British can do it. Fuchs.
- Absolutely.</font></font>

1647
01:25:36,569 --> 01:25:40,730
- It's your job, Teller.
- I'm engaged in research.</font></font>

1648
01:25:40,730 --> 01:25:42,676
On a hydrogen bomb
we're not even building.</font></font>

1649
01:25:42,676 --> 01:25:44,644
[scattered laughter]</font></font>

1650
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:52,252
I won't work for that man.</font></font>

1651
01:25:52,252 --> 01:25:53,953
[jeering]</font></font>

1652
01:25:53,953 --> 01:25:56,156
Let him go.
He's a prima donna.</font></font>

1653
01:25:56,156 --> 01:25:58,391
[Serber] I agree.
He should leave Los Alamos.</font></font>

1654
01:25:58,391 --> 01:26:00,260
Okay.</font></font>

1655
01:26:00,260 --> 01:26:03,960
Kisty, you replace Neddermeyer.
Seth, I'm putting you
on plutonium.</font></font>

1656
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,766
Lilli, you go work for Kisty,
because he needs you.</font></font>

1657
01:26:06,766 --> 01:26:08,368
Fuchs, you take Teller's role.</font></font>

1658
01:26:08,368 --> 01:26:11,471
I'm putting you exclusively
on the implosion device.</font></font>

1659
01:26:11,471 --> 01:26:15,241
And no one
is leaving Los Alamos.</font></font>

1660
01:26:16,676 --> 01:26:18,712
[vehicle engine starting]</font></font>

1661
01:26:18,712 --> 01:26:20,980
[chattering on loudspeaker]</font></font>

1662
01:26:29,522 --> 01:26:30,757
They won't let me leave.</font></font>

1663
01:26:30,757 --> 01:26:32,992
No. I won't let you leave.</font></font>

1664
01:26:34,527 --> 01:26:37,300
Forget Hans. Forget fission.</font></font>

1665
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:40,200
Stay here,
research what you want.</font></font>

1666
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,736
Fusion, the hydrogen bomb, whatever.</font></font>

1667
01:26:42,736 --> 01:26:44,471
We'll meet to discuss.</font></font>

1668
01:26:44,471 --> 01:26:46,973
You don't have time to meet.
You're a politician now, Robert.</font></font>

1669
01:26:46,973 --> 01:26:49,876
You've left physics behind
many, many years ago.</font></font>

1670
01:26:50,777 --> 01:26:52,479
Once a week.</font></font>

1671
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,347
One hour, you and me.</font></font>

1672
01:27:00,530 --> 01:27:02,220
Now raise this ****ing barrier.</font></font>

1673
01:27:06,593 --> 01:27:10,563
[Robb] So the Super
was under development
on your watch at Los Alamos?</i></font></font>

1674
01:27:10,563 --> 01:27:12,980
Yes.</font></font>

1675
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:15,402
And yet, after the war,
you tried to deny it was viable.</font></font>

1676
01:27:15,402 --> 01:27:18,538
No, no, no. I-I pointed out
technical difficulties with it.</font></font>

1677
01:27:18,538 --> 01:27:20,774
Didn't you try to kill it
at the AEC meeting</font></font>

1678
01:27:20,774 --> 01:27:22,475
- after the Russian bomb test?
- No.</font></font>

1679
01:27:22,475 --> 01:27:25,445
[Robb] But that was
the recommendation
of the AEC, was it not?</font></font>

1680
01:27:25,445 --> 01:27:28,815
After hours of discussion
about the best response.</font></font>

1681
01:27:28,815 --> 01:27:34,621
An H-bomb is 1,000 times
the power of an A-bomb.</font></font>

1682
01:27:34,621 --> 01:27:38,958
Its only intended target
would be the largest cities.</font></font>

1683
01:27:38,958 --> 01:27:40,894
It's a weapon of mass genocide.</font></font>

1684
01:27:40,894 --> 01:27:44,898
Izzy, draw some circles
on this side of the map
where they would target us.</font></font>

1685
01:27:44,898 --> 01:27:46,132
Starting with New York.</font></font>

1686
01:27:46,132 --> 01:27:47,600
[Rabi] That's fair.
[Strauss] DC.</font></font>

1687
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,300
It's a weapon of attack
with no defensive value.</font></font>

1688
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:51,905
Deterrence.
[Bush] "Deterrence"?</font></font>

1689
01:27:51,905 --> 01:27:55,608
Do we really need
more deterrence than our current
arsenal of atomic bombs?</font></font>

1690
01:27:55,608 --> 01:27:59,913
Y-You drown in ten feet
of water or 10,000,
what's the difference?</font></font>

1691
01:27:59,913 --> 01:28:02,820
We can already drown Russia.
They know it.</font></font>

1692
01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:04,784
- Now they can drown us.
- [Rabi] We're just escalating.</font></font>

1693
01:28:08,321 --> 01:28:11,257
- [feet stamping]
- [Strauss, distant]
Robert? Robert.</font></font>

1694
01:28:11,257 --> 01:28:13,793
- [stamping stops]
- [teaspoon clinks]</font></font>

1695
01:28:15,228 --> 01:28:16,963
As I said, Teller's designs</font></font>

1696
01:28:16,963 --> 01:28:20,200
are still as impractical
as they were during the war.</font></font>

1697
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,936
A hydrogen bomb
can be made to work,
Oppie, you know that.</font></font>

1698
01:28:22,936 --> 01:28:25,839
I don't believe we should commit
all our resources
to that chance.</font></font>

1699
01:28:25,839 --> 01:28:29,109
Then how would you have Truman
reassure the American people?</font></font>

1700
01:28:29,109 --> 01:28:31,444
Simply by limiting
the spread of atomic weapons</font></font>

1701
01:28:31,444 --> 01:28:34,714
through international control
on nuclear energy.</font></font>

1702
01:28:34,714 --> 01:28:36,349
By which you mean
world government.</font></font>

1703
01:28:36,349 --> 01:28:39,285
The United Nations,
as Roosevelt intended.</font></font>

1704
01:28:39,285 --> 01:28:42,550
Well, I asked
what Truman should do, right?</font></font>

1705
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:43,790
The world's changed.</font></font>

1706
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:46,893
It's not fascism but communism
that now threatens our survival.</font></font>

1707
01:28:46,893 --> 01:28:48,862
Lewis, do you understand,</font></font>

1708
01:28:48,862 --> 01:28:50,397
if we build a hydrogen bomb,</font></font>

1709
01:28:50,397 --> 01:28:52,832
the Russians will have no choice
but to build their own?</font></font>

1710
01:28:52,832 --> 01:28:54,367
Could they
be working on one already,</font></font>

1711
01:28:54,367 --> 01:28:57,604
based on information gathered
from a spy at Los Alamos?</font></font>

1712
01:28:57,604 --> 01:28:59,239
No spy at Los Alamos.</font></font>

1713
01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:01,241
Gentlemen.
Let's not get sidetracked.
There wasn't?</font></font>

1714
01:29:01,241 --> 01:29:04,577
I say we use this moment
to gain concessions
from the Russians</font></font>

1715
01:29:04,577 --> 01:29:07,814
by committing
that we will not build
a hydrogen bomb.</font></font>

1716
01:29:07,814 --> 01:29:09,416
Thereby revealing
its existence.</font></font>

1717
01:29:09,416 --> 01:29:11,551
Which you seem convinced
they already know.</font></font>

1718
01:29:11,551 --> 01:29:15,880
[clears throat]
All right. At this point,
I'd like the committee members</font></font>

1719
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,920
to meet in privacy
to finalize our recommendations.</font></font>

1720
01:29:20,326 --> 01:29:22,495
I'm just not sure
you wanna go down this road.</font></font>

1721
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:23,897
Lewis, with respect,</font></font>

1722
01:29:23,897 --> 01:29:26,466
we are the advisory committee,
we will give them our advice.</font></font>

1723
01:29:31,838 --> 01:29:33,273
Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

1724
01:29:33,273 --> 01:29:34,574
Hi.</font></font>

1725
01:29:34,574 --> 01:29:37,377
William Borden.
Joint Committee
on Atomic Energy?</font></font>

1726
01:29:37,377 --> 01:29:38,645
Oh, yes, yes.</font></font>

1727
01:29:38,645 --> 01:29:40,213
During the war,
I was a pilot.</font></font>

1728
01:29:41,348 --> 01:29:44,840
One night,
flying back from a raid,</font></font>

1729
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:45,985
I saw an amazing sight,</font></font>

1730
01:29:45,985 --> 01:29:47,787
like a meteor.</i></font></font>

1731
01:29:47,787 --> 01:29:50,757
A V-2 rocket headed to England.</i></font></font>

1732
01:29:50,757 --> 01:29:54,270
I can't help but imagine
what it will be
for such an enemy rocket</font></font>

1733
01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:56,963
to carry an atomic warhead.</font></font>

1734
01:29:56,963 --> 01:29:58,998
[feet stamping]</font></font>

1735
01:29:59,833 --> 01:30:01,000
[rocket rumbling]</font></font>

1736
01:30:02,302 --> 01:30:04,304
[stamping intensifies, stops]</font></font>

1737
01:30:05,705 --> 01:30:09,476
Well, let's make sure
we're not the ones
to make that possible.</font></font>

1738
01:30:14,514 --> 01:30:17,217
Oppie, I don't think you
wanna go up against Strauss.</font></font>

1739
01:30:17,951 --> 01:30:20,387
If we both speak,
they listen to me.</font></font>

1740
01:30:20,387 --> 01:30:22,355
When you speak,
they hear a prophet.</font></font>

1741
01:30:22,355 --> 01:30:24,290
When Strauss speaks,
they hear themselves.</font></font>

1742
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:26,426
They'll listen to a prophet.</font></font>

1743
01:30:26,426 --> 01:30:29,229
A prophet can't be wrong.
Not once.</font></font>

1744
01:30:29,229 --> 01:30:32,899
[McGee] Didn't you accuse
Oppenheimer of sabotaging
the development of the Super?</i></font></font>

1745
01:30:32,899 --> 01:30:37,604
I was never one of those
to bandy around terms
like "sabotage."</font></font>

1746
01:30:37,604 --> 01:30:39,639
[McGee] But Mr. Borden was?</font></font>

1747
01:30:39,639 --> 01:30:41,408
As I understand it, possibly.</font></font>

1748
01:30:41,408 --> 01:30:45,780
How was Mr. Borden
able to put together
such a detailed indictment?</font></font>

1749
01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:46,613
He was no longer
a government employee,</font></font>

1750
01:30:46,613 --> 01:30:49,150
yet he appears to have had
unlimited access</font></font>

1751
01:30:49,150 --> 01:30:50,750
to Dr. Oppenheimer's file.</font></font>

1752
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:53,353
Might Mr. Nichols
have given him access
to the file?</i></font></font>

1753
01:30:53,353 --> 01:30:55,522
Or someone else at the AEC?</font></font>

1754
01:30:55,522 --> 01:30:58,358
That's a very serious
accusation, Senator.</font></font>

1755
01:30:58,358 --> 01:30:59,926
Is it your intention to suggest</font></font>

1756
01:30:59,926 --> 01:31:02,696
that Dr. Oppenheimer
is disloyal
to the United States?</font></font>

1757
01:31:02,696 --> 01:31:05,432
I've always assumed,
and still assume,</font></font>

1758
01:31:05,432 --> 01:31:08,340
that he's loyal
to the United States.</font></font>

1759
01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:09,703
I believe this.
And I shall believe it</font></font>

1760
01:31:09,703 --> 01:31:12,305
until I see
very conclusive proof
to the opposite.</font></font>

1761
01:31:12,305 --> 01:31:16,976
[Robb] Do you, or do you not
believe that Dr. Oppenheimer
is a security risk?</i></font></font>

1762
01:31:25,251 --> 01:31:28,555
[Hornig] And if I may,
when Hitler blew his brains out
in that bunker,</font></font>

1763
01:31:28,555 --> 01:31:32,250
it is my humble opinion
that there is no need
for that bomb to be seen</font></font>

1764
01:31:32,250 --> 01:31:33,693
anywhere except
for that test site.</font></font>

1765
01:31:33,693 --> 01:31:35,295
[scattered applause]</font></font>

1766
01:31:35,295 --> 01:31:36,996
[Lilli] We at least
have to take a moment
to think about</font></font>

1767
01:31:36,996 --> 01:31:40,533
whether the means
justify the ends any longer,
because--</font></font>

1768
01:31:43,690 --> 01:31:45,238
Germany is about to surrender.</font></font>

1769
01:31:45,238 --> 01:31:47,730
[members cheering, applauding]</font></font>

1770
01:31:47,730 --> 01:31:51,277
It's no longer the enemy
who are the greatest threat
to mankind.</font></font>

1771
01:31:51,277 --> 01:31:52,545
It's our work.</font></font>

1772
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:57,617
Hitler is dead, it's true.</font></font>

1773
01:31:59,352 --> 01:32:01,210
But the Japanese fight on.</font></font>

1774
01:32:01,210 --> 01:32:02,689
Their defeat seems assured.</font></font>

1775
01:32:02,689 --> 01:32:05,658
Not if you're a GI
preparing to invade.</font></font>

1776
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:08,628
We can end this war.</font></font>

1777
01:32:08,628 --> 01:32:11,698
But how do we justify
using this weapon
on human beings?</font></font>

1778
01:32:11,698 --> 01:32:13,133
[scattered applause]</font></font>

1779
01:32:14,901 --> 01:32:17,804
We're theorists, yes?</font></font>

1780
01:32:18,838 --> 01:32:23,376
We imagine a future,
and our imaginings horrify us.</font></font>

1781
01:32:24,444 --> 01:32:26,746
But they won't fear it
until they understand it,</font></font>

1782
01:32:26,746 --> 01:32:29,549
and they won't understand it
until they've used it.</font></font>

1783
01:32:29,549 --> 01:32:33,486
When the world learns
the terrible secret
of Los Alamos,</font></font>

1784
01:32:33,486 --> 01:32:36,890
our work here
will ensure a peace
mankind has never seen.</font></font>

1785
01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:40,260
A peace based
on the kind of
international cooperation</font></font>

1786
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:42,629
that Roosevelt always envisaged.</font></font>

1787
01:32:47,567 --> 01:32:50,670
- [Oppenheimer] Progress?
- Two years and a billion
dollars' worth?</font></font>

1788
01:32:51,371 --> 01:32:53,139
Well, hard to put
a price on it.</font></font>

1789
01:32:53,139 --> 01:32:54,874
Not really.
Just add up the bills.</font></font>

1790
01:32:54,874 --> 01:32:59,212
"Rural free deliveries."
Eighty babies delivered
the first year.</font></font>

1791
01:32:59,212 --> 01:33:01,748
This year
we've had ten a month.</font></font>

1792
01:33:01,748 --> 01:33:05,251
Birth control
is a little out of my
jurisdiction, General.</font></font>

1793
01:33:05,251 --> 01:33:06,586
- Clearly.
- [Kitty] General.</font></font>

1794
01:33:06,586 --> 01:33:07,721
Kiddo.</font></font>

1795
01:33:12,492 --> 01:33:15,762
Head down, every-- Fuchs.
Head down.</font></font>

1796
01:33:22,535 --> 01:33:24,471
That's the one. [grunts]</font></font>

1797
01:33:24,471 --> 01:33:27,340
Two viable bombs.
I need a date.</font></font>

1798
01:33:30,143 --> 01:33:31,544
September.</font></font>

1799
01:33:31,544 --> 01:33:32,579
July.</font></font>

1800
01:33:32,579 --> 01:33:34,547
That's the sweet spot, gentlemen.</font></font>

1801
01:33:35,148 --> 01:33:36,816
August.</font></font>

1802
01:33:36,816 --> 01:33:38,318
July.</font></font>

1803
01:33:38,318 --> 01:33:41,621
Test in July.
But I need my brother.</font></font>

1804
01:33:45,658 --> 01:33:48,361
Frank knows the desert,
he's left politics behind,</font></font>

1805
01:33:48,361 --> 01:33:50,797
he's been working
with Lawrence
for two years now.</font></font>

1806
01:33:57,804 --> 01:33:59,539
What do we call the test?</font></font>

1807
01:34:00,740 --> 01:34:04,511
"Batter my heart,
three person'd God."</font></font>

1808
01:34:04,511 --> 01:34:05,578
What?</font></font>

1809
01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:08,248
Trinity.</font></font>

1810
01:34:15,955 --> 01:34:19,359
[Robb] You insisted on
bringing on your brother Frank,
a known communist.</font></font>

1811
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:21,127
Former communist.</font></font>

1812
01:34:21,127 --> 01:34:22,929
You brought
a known former communist</font></font>

1813
01:34:22,929 --> 01:34:26,800
onto America's most secret
and important defense project.</font></font>

1814
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,700
I knew my brother
could be trusted. Absolutely.</font></font>

1815
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:33,540
And you felt your judgment
was sound on who on the team
could be trusted.</font></font>

1816
01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:37,577
Fuchs, head down.
Okay, everybody ready.</font></font>

1817
01:34:46,619 --> 01:34:48,321
I hope
you learned something.</font></font>

1818
01:34:48,321 --> 01:34:50,990
Yeah, we learned
we're gonna need to be
a lot further away.</font></font>

1819
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:52,892
Well, figure it out. Fast.</font></font>

1820
01:34:52,892 --> 01:34:55,562
We leave for Washington
in the morning. We're gonna
give them a date.</font></font>

1821
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:00,233
[elevator bell dings]</font></font>

1822
01:35:00,233 --> 01:35:01,668
[chattering]</font></font>

1823
01:35:01,668 --> 01:35:03,503
[phone ringing]</font></font>

1824
01:35:03,503 --> 01:35:04,771
[service bell dinging]</font></font>

1825
01:35:10,510 --> 01:35:12,412
You're a long way
from Chicago, Leo.</font></font>

1826
01:35:12,412 --> 01:35:15,115
If we don't act now,
they're going to use
this thing against Japan.</font></font>

1827
01:35:15,115 --> 01:35:18,718
We booked
a meeting with Truman,
but somebody killed it.</font></font>

1828
01:35:18,718 --> 01:35:21,254
You're meeting
the secretary of war.</font></font>

1829
01:35:21,254 --> 01:35:22,756
Just because
we're building it</font></font>

1830
01:35:22,756 --> 01:35:24,858
doesn't mean we get
to decide how it's used.</font></font>

1831
01:35:25,525 --> 01:35:27,460
History will judge us, Robert.</font></font>

1832
01:35:28,528 --> 01:35:30,697
In Chicago,
we put together a petition.</font></font>

1833
01:35:31,331 --> 01:35:32,966
I'm not getting into that.</font></font>

1834
01:35:32,966 --> 01:35:34,701
[clipboard clatters]</font></font>

1835
01:35:38,710 --> 01:35:40,974
Just tell me your concerns
and I'll relay them.
My concerns?</font></font>

1836
01:35:40,974 --> 01:35:44,544
Germany's defeated.
Japan's not going to
hold out alone.</font></font>

1837
01:35:44,544 --> 01:35:46,579
How could you know that?
You got us into this.</font></font>

1838
01:35:46,579 --> 01:35:50,183
You and Einstein
with your letter to Roosevelt
saying we could build a bomb.</font></font>

1839
01:35:50,183 --> 01:35:54,354
Against Germany.
That's not how weapons
manufacture works, Szilard.</font></font>

1840
01:35:54,354 --> 01:35:55,889
[Szilard]
Oppie, you have to help.</font></font>

1841
01:35:55,889 --> 01:35:57,824
Fermi's in the meeting.
Lawrence is in the meeting.</font></font>

1842
01:35:57,824 --> 01:36:00,727
They're not you.
You're the great salesman
of science.</font></font>

1843
01:36:00,727 --> 01:36:03,363
You can convince anyone
of anything.</font></font>

1844
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:05,331
Even yourself.</font></font>

1845
01:36:05,965 --> 01:36:07,000
Excuse me.</font></font>

1846
01:36:08,368 --> 01:36:11,771
The firestorm in Tokyo
killed 100,000 people.</font></font>

1847
01:36:11,771 --> 01:36:13,373
Mostly civilians.</font></font>

1848
01:36:13,373 --> 01:36:17,744
I worry about an America
where we do these things
and no one protests.</font></font>

1849
01:36:17,744 --> 01:36:21,810
Pearl Harbor and three years
of brutal conflict
in the Pacific</font></font>

1850
01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:23,550
bought us a lot of latitude
with the American public.</font></font>

1851
01:36:23,550 --> 01:36:25,985
[Stimson] Enough to unleash
the atomic bomb?</font></font>

1852
01:36:25,985 --> 01:36:29,456
[Fermi] The A-bomb might not
cause as much damage
as the Tokyo bombings.</font></font>

1853
01:36:29,456 --> 01:36:30,890
What are we estimating?</font></font>

1854
01:36:30,890 --> 01:36:35,795
In a medium-sized city,
20,000 or 30,000 dead.</font></font>

1855
01:36:35,795 --> 01:36:37,897
Yes, but don't underestimate</font></font>

1856
01:36:37,897 --> 01:36:41,501
the psychological impact
of an atomic explosion.</font></font>

1857
01:36:41,501 --> 01:36:45,905
A pillar of fire
10,000 feet tall.</font></font>

1858
01:36:45,905 --> 01:36:49,242
Deadly neutron
effects for a mile.
In all directions.</font></font>

1859
01:36:49,242 --> 01:36:52,212
From one single device.</font></font>

1860
01:36:52,212 --> 01:36:54,214
Dropped from
a barely noticed B-29,</font></font>

1861
01:36:54,214 --> 01:36:59,619
the atomic bomb will be
a terrible revelation
of divine power.</font></font>

1862
01:36:59,619 --> 01:37:03,230
If that's true,
it would be definitive.</font></font>

1863
01:37:03,230 --> 01:37:05,910
World War II would be over.</font></font>

1864
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:06,593
Our boys would come home.</font></font>

1865
01:37:06,593 --> 01:37:07,961
Military targets?</font></font>

1866
01:37:09,290 --> 01:37:11,231
Uh... There aren't
any big enough.</font></font>

1867
01:37:11,231 --> 01:37:14,234
Perhaps a vital war plant</font></font>

1868
01:37:14,234 --> 01:37:16,770
with workers housed nearby?</font></font>

1869
01:37:16,770 --> 01:37:19,973
And we could issue a warning
to reduce civilian casualties.</font></font>

1870
01:37:19,973 --> 01:37:22,175
They'd send
everything they have
up against us,</font></font>

1871
01:37:22,175 --> 01:37:23,777
and I'd be up in that plane.</font></font>

1872
01:37:23,777 --> 01:37:27,130
But if we announce it
and it fails to go off,</font></font>

1873
01:37:27,130 --> 01:37:29,549
we'd scupper any chance
of a Japanese surrender.</font></font>

1874
01:37:29,549 --> 01:37:34,154
Is there no way to
demonstrate a bomb to Japan
to provoke surrender?</font></font>

1875
01:37:34,154 --> 01:37:38,525
We intend to demonstrate it
in the most unambiguous terms. Twice.</font></font>

1876
01:37:38,525 --> 01:37:40,560
Once, to show
the weapon's power,</font></font>

1877
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:44,364
and a second to show
that we can keep doing this
until they surrender.</font></font>

1878
01:37:44,364 --> 01:37:47,934
We have a list of 12 cities
to choose from--</font></font>

1879
01:37:47,934 --> 01:37:49,736
Sorry, 11.</font></font>

1880
01:37:49,736 --> 01:37:51,705
I've taken Kyoto off the list</font></font>

1881
01:37:51,705 --> 01:37:55,408
due to its cultural significance
to the Japanese people.</font></font>

1882
01:37:55,408 --> 01:37:58,178
Also, my wife and I
honeymooned there.</font></font>

1883
01:37:58,178 --> 01:37:59,679
It's a magnificent city.</font></font>

1884
01:38:03,149 --> 01:38:04,918
Let me make this simple
for you, gentlemen.</font></font>

1885
01:38:04,918 --> 01:38:07,287
According to my intelligence,
which I cannot share with you,</font></font>

1886
01:38:07,287 --> 01:38:11,424
the Japanese people
will not surrender,
under any circumstances,</font></font>

1887
01:38:11,424 --> 01:38:15,662
short of a successful
and total invasion
of the home islands.</font></font>

1888
01:38:15,662 --> 01:38:18,198
Many lives will be lost,
American and Japanese.</font></font>

1889
01:38:18,198 --> 01:38:22,402
The use of the atomic bomb
on Japanese cities
will save lives.</font></font>

1890
01:38:22,402 --> 01:38:26,720
- If we retain moral advantage.
- How so?</font></font>

1891
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,740
Well, if we use this weapon
without informing our allies,</font></font>

1892
01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:30,777
they'll see it as a threat,
and we'll be in an arms race.</font></font>

1893
01:38:30,777 --> 01:38:33,246
How open can we be
with the Soviets?</font></font>

1894
01:38:33,246 --> 01:38:37,550
Secrecy won't stop the Soviets
from becoming part of
the atomic world.</font></font>

1895
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:39,419
We've been told
they have no uranium.</font></font>

1896
01:38:39,419 --> 01:38:42,655
You've been misinformed.
A Russian bomb
is a matter of time.</font></font>

1897
01:38:42,655 --> 01:38:46,292
The program needs to continue
at full pace after the war.</font></font>

1898
01:38:46,926 --> 01:38:48,795
Secretary Stimson,
if I may,</font></font>

1899
01:38:48,795 --> 01:38:52,632
not all scientists
on the project
are in agreement.</font></font>

1900
01:38:52,632 --> 01:38:56,369
In fact, this might be a moment
to consider other opinions.
If you talk--</font></font>

1901
01:38:56,369 --> 01:38:59,172
[Groves] The Manhattan Project
has been plagued from the start</font></font>

1902
01:38:59,172 --> 01:39:02,742
by certain scientists
of doubtful discretion</font></font>

1903
01:39:02,742 --> 01:39:04,177
and uncertain loyalty.</font></font>

1904
01:39:04,177 --> 01:39:06,212
One of them just tried to meet
with the president.</font></font>

1905
01:39:06,212 --> 01:39:09,349
Now, we need these men,
but as soon as it's practical,</font></font>

1906
01:39:09,349 --> 01:39:11,851
we should sever
any such scientists
from the program.</font></font>

1907
01:39:11,851 --> 01:39:13,520
Wouldn't you agree, Doctor?</font></font>

1908
01:39:14,754 --> 01:39:17,230
If a Russian bomb
is inevitable,</font></font>

1909
01:39:17,230 --> 01:39:20,126
perhaps we should invite
their top scientists to Trinity?</font></font>

1910
01:39:20,126 --> 01:39:23,863
President Truman
has no intention
of raising expectations</font></font>

1911
01:39:23,863 --> 01:39:26,666
that Stalin be included
in the atomic project.</font></font>

1912
01:39:26,666 --> 01:39:28,101
Informing him
of our breakthrough</font></font>

1913
01:39:28,101 --> 01:39:30,303
and presenting it
as a means to win the war</font></font>

1914
01:39:30,303 --> 01:39:32,500
need not make
unkeepable promises.</font></font>

1915
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:34,174
But the Potsdam
peace conference in July</font></font>

1916
01:39:34,174 --> 01:39:38,780
will be President Truman's
last chance
to have that conversation.</font></font>

1917
01:39:38,780 --> 01:39:40,347
Can you give us
a working bomb by then?</font></font>

1918
01:39:41,414 --> 01:39:45,180
Absolutely.
We will test fire
before the conference.</font></font>

1919
01:39:49,489 --> 01:39:55,895
Ground Zero, observation posts
at 10,000 yards north,
south and west.</font></font>

1920
01:39:55,895 --> 01:39:57,163
Where do we trigger from?</font></font>

1921
01:39:57,163 --> 01:39:59,990
South, 10,000.</font></font>

1922
01:39:59,990 --> 01:40:02,369
And Base Camp
is ten miles south here.</font></font>

1923
01:40:02,369 --> 01:40:07,841
And there's
a further observation post on--
on that hill 20 miles away.</font></font>

1924
01:40:07,841 --> 01:40:10,844
What's that, Frank?
Trigger lines already went in.</font></font>

1925
01:40:10,844 --> 01:40:14,481
The Air Force requested
a line of lights for their B-29.</font></font>

1926
01:40:14,481 --> 01:40:16,616
What B-29?
Our bomb's on the tower.</font></font>

1927
01:40:16,616 --> 01:40:19,953
They wanna use
the test to confirm
a safe operating distance.</font></font>

1928
01:40:19,953 --> 01:40:22,789
- That's risky.
- Not as risky
as dropping one over Japan</font></font>

1929
01:40:22,789 --> 01:40:24,824
and hoping that we were right
about the blast radius.</font></font>

1930
01:40:24,824 --> 01:40:27,270
Don't let them slow us down.
We're firing on the 15th.</font></font>

1931
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:29,729
The 15th? That's not--
[Groves] The 15th.</font></font>

1932
01:40:31,264 --> 01:40:32,298
The 15th.</font></font>

1933
01:40:33,466 --> 01:40:35,568
[Oppenheimer] So I'll be here
at South Observation point</font></font>

1934
01:40:35,568 --> 01:40:37,871
with Frank and Kistiakowsky.</font></font>

1935
01:40:37,871 --> 01:40:41,741
You'll all be assigned
to Base Camp, West Observation,</font></font>

1936
01:40:41,741 --> 01:40:43,677
or Far Observation.</font></font>

1937
01:40:53,186 --> 01:40:57,230
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Careful with the knife.
There, carefully.</font></font>

1938
01:40:58,525 --> 01:41:02,796
- Are those safe distances?
- They're based on
your calculations.</font></font>

1939
01:41:02,796 --> 01:41:05,699
Time to stand behind
your science, Hans. Literally.</font></font>

1940
01:41:29,155 --> 01:41:30,223
Yeah.</font></font>

1941
01:41:35,428 --> 01:41:37,970
What about
the radiation cloud?</font></font>

1942
01:41:37,970 --> 01:41:40,166
Without high winds,
it should settle
within two to three miles.</font></font>

1943
01:41:40,166 --> 01:41:42,402
Evacuation measures
are in place. [inhales]</font></font>

1944
01:41:42,402 --> 01:41:45,705
But we need good weather
for visibility,
so it has to be fine.</font></font>

1945
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,341
Everybody out.</font></font>

1946
01:41:58,451 --> 01:42:00,253
We go on the night
of the 15th.</font></font>

1947
01:42:00,253 --> 01:42:04,290
It's a hard deadline,
so if anyone has anything,
speak now.</font></font>

1948
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:06,493
Little, little more.
Okay, stop, stop.</font></font>

1949
01:42:06,493 --> 01:42:10,797
Everybody, mattresses.
Put the mattress underneath.</font></font>

1950
01:42:27,781 --> 01:42:30,617
Could use
a final implosion test.</font></font>

1951
01:42:32,218 --> 01:42:34,888
- It couldn't hurt.
- Do it.</font></font>

1952
01:42:35,855 --> 01:42:38,258
Is there anything else
that might stop us?</font></font>

1953
01:42:38,258 --> 01:42:39,693
[thunderclap]</font></font>

1954
01:42:41,695 --> 01:42:44,230
[sheets flapping]</font></font>

1955
01:43:12,926 --> 01:43:14,794
It's happening, isn't it?</font></font>

1956
01:43:16,696 --> 01:43:18,264
I'll send a message.</font></font>

1957
01:43:18,832 --> 01:43:20,400
If it's gone our way...</font></font>

1958
01:43:21,868 --> 01:43:23,136
take in the sheets.</font></font>

1959
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,308
Robert.</font></font>

1960
01:43:31,444 --> 01:43:32,712
Break a leg.</font></font>

1961
01:43:45,759 --> 01:43:46,993
Okay.</font></font>

1962
01:44:38,678 --> 01:44:42,480
[Fermi] Oppie's taken
a very modest three kilotons.</font></font>

1963
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,517
Teller's in with 45.
[Rabi] Twenty.</font></font>

1964
01:44:44,517 --> 01:44:46,586
20,000 tons of TNT.</font></font>

1965
01:44:46,586 --> 01:44:50,290
And does anyone want
the side action
on atmospheric ignition?</font></font>

1966
01:44:50,290 --> 01:44:52,625
[laughter]</font></font>

1967
01:44:52,625 --> 01:44:56,290
- Are you saying
we'll have to delay?
- I'm saying it would be prudent.</font></font>

1968
01:44:56,290 --> 01:44:58,131
This weather,
has it reached the site?</font></font>

1969
01:45:01,801 --> 01:45:03,269
[phone ringing]</font></font>

1970
01:45:03,269 --> 01:45:05,171
Bethe is calling to tell you
the implosion test failed.</font></font>

1971
01:45:05,171 --> 01:45:08,740
Hello, Hans. Yes, he's here.</font></font>

1972
01:45:09,275 --> 01:45:10,310
Yes.</font></font>

1973
01:45:11,611 --> 01:45:12,645
[handset settles in cradle]</font></font>

1974
01:45:12,645 --> 01:45:14,414
- Is he wrong?
- No.</font></font>

1975
01:45:14,414 --> 01:45:16,282
- No?
- No.</font></font>

1976
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:19,452
- So we're about to fire a dud?
- No.</font></font>

1977
01:45:19,452 --> 01:45:23,230
- Explain.
- Well, I can't.
I just-- I just know.</font></font>

1978
01:45:23,230 --> 01:45:24,824
I know the implosion lenses
will work.</font></font>

1979
01:45:24,824 --> 01:45:27,600
If we fire these detonators
and they don't
trigger a reaction,</font></font>

1980
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,397
two years' worth of plutonium
will be scattered
across White Sands.</font></font>

1981
01:45:30,397 --> 01:45:34,000
A month of my salary
against ten bucks
says it lights.</font></font>

1982
01:45:34,601 --> 01:45:35,502
Jesus.</font></font>

1983
01:45:42,475 --> 01:45:44,844
[weatherman]
The wind's picking up
at Zero, not the rain.</font></font>

1984
01:45:44,844 --> 01:45:46,146
Lightning circling.</font></font>

1985
01:45:46,146 --> 01:45:47,681
You think it might be time
to tell your men</font></font>

1986
01:45:47,681 --> 01:45:50,684
to get away from the steel tower
with the atomic bomb?</font></font>

1987
01:45:50,684 --> 01:45:53,653
[laughter]</font></font>

1988
01:45:53,653 --> 01:45:56,423
- Let's get to South Observation.
- Pull 'em out.</font></font>

1989
01:45:56,423 --> 01:45:58,958
[Oppenheimer] We can make
our determination there.</font></font>

1990
01:46:00,660 --> 01:46:02,620
[thunderclap]</font></font>

1991
01:46:03,663 --> 01:46:05,799
[Oppenheimer] The team
hasn't slept in two nights.</font></font>

1992
01:46:05,799 --> 01:46:09,335
If we stand down,
make the bomb safe,
we won't be back here for weeks.</font></font>

1993
01:46:09,335 --> 01:46:13,173
Then we'll miss Potsdam.
I gotta get word to Truman
by 7:00.</font></font>

1994
01:46:13,173 --> 01:46:15,208
Our window's closing.
What is this doing?</font></font>

1995
01:46:15,208 --> 01:46:16,710
Raining, blowing, lightning.</font></font>

1996
01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:18,778
- For how long, damn it?
- It's holdin' strong.</font></font>

1997
01:46:18,778 --> 01:46:21,181
It'll break before dawn.
How could you know that?</font></font>

1998
01:46:21,181 --> 01:46:23,249
I know this desert.
Storm cools overnight.</font></font>

1999
01:46:23,249 --> 01:46:25,352
Just before dawn,
the storm breaks.</font></font>

2000
01:46:25,352 --> 01:46:27,754
He could be right,
but schedule
as late as possible.</font></font>

2001
01:46:27,754 --> 01:46:29,356
5:30.</font></font>

2002
01:46:29,356 --> 01:46:31,358
Sign your forecast.
If you're wrong, I'll hang you.</font></font>

2003
01:46:31,358 --> 01:46:33,793
- Frank, tell them all, 5:30.
- 5:30.</font></font>

2004
01:46:33,793 --> 01:46:35,195
5:30.
5:30.</font></font>

2005
01:46:37,697 --> 01:46:39,499
Three years,</font></font>

2006
01:46:39,499 --> 01:46:40,834
4,000 people,</font></font>

2007
01:46:40,834 --> 01:46:42,669
two billion dollars.</font></font>

2008
01:46:42,669 --> 01:46:44,971
Well, if it doesn't go off,</font></font>

2009
01:46:44,971 --> 01:46:46,473
we're both finished.</font></font>

2010
01:46:47,140 --> 01:46:49,142
[thunder rumbling]</font></font>

2011
01:46:49,142 --> 01:46:51,711
I'm betting
on three kilotons.</font></font>

2012
01:46:51,711 --> 01:46:54,581
Anything less,
they won't get what it is.</font></font>

2013
01:46:54,581 --> 01:46:58,118
What did Fermi mean
by "atmospheric ignition"?</font></font>

2014
01:46:58,118 --> 01:46:59,853
Well, we had a moment
where it looked like</font></font>

2015
01:46:59,853 --> 01:47:03,556
the chain reaction
from an atomic device
might never stop.</font></font>

2016
01:47:04,190 --> 01:47:06,292
Setting fire to the atmosphere.</font></font>

2017
01:47:06,292 --> 01:47:09,950
Why is Fermi still
taking side bets on it?</font></font>

2018
01:47:09,662 --> 01:47:11,664
Call it gallows humor.</font></font>

2019
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:19,390
Wait, are we saying
there's a chance
that when we push that button,</font></font>

2020
01:47:19,390 --> 01:47:20,807
we destroy the world?</font></font>

2021
01:47:20,807 --> 01:47:24,210
Nothing in our research
over three years
supports that conclusion.</font></font>

2022
01:47:24,210 --> 01:47:27,280
Except as
the most remote possibility.</font></font>

2023
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,216
- How remote?
- Chances are near zero.</font></font>

2024
01:47:31,651 --> 01:47:32,686
Near zero.</font></font>

2025
01:47:33,887 --> 01:47:36,389
What do you want
from theory alone?</font></font>

2026
01:47:36,389 --> 01:47:37,424
[scoffs]</font></font>

2027
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,160
Zero would be nice.</font></font>

2028
01:47:43,263 --> 01:47:49,469
In exactly one hour,
58 minutes, we'll know.</font></font>

2029
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:57,410
It's letting up.</font></font>

2030
01:48:09,956 --> 01:48:12,592
The arming party's left Zero,
they're heading this way.</font></font>

2031
01:48:12,592 --> 01:48:13,760
Throwing the switches.</font></font>

2032
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,896
Turn the cars.
Ready for emergency evacuation.</font></font>

2033
01:48:16,896 --> 01:48:19,165
[wind howling]</font></font>

2034
01:48:34,447 --> 01:48:36,820
[soldier]
Take your welder's glass.</font></font>

2035
01:48:36,820 --> 01:48:38,840
Everybody, take your places.</font></font>

2036
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,220
Everybody take a welder's glass!</font></font>

2037
01:48:41,588 --> 01:48:43,690
Everybody take a welder's glass.</font></font>

2038
01:49:33,239 --> 01:49:35,175
[timer ticking]</font></font>

2039
01:49:35,175 --> 01:49:36,609
Twenty minutes.</font></font>

2040
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:41,715
[Fermi] Twenty minutes.</font></font>

2041
01:49:52,826 --> 01:49:54,327
[Feynman] That's 20.</font></font>

2042
01:49:57,263 --> 01:49:59,990
On the leg, please.</font></font>

2043
01:50:00,233 --> 01:50:02,135
Feynman.
No.</font></font>

2044
01:50:02,135 --> 01:50:04,938
For your eyes, sir.
The glass stops the UV.</font></font>

2045
01:50:04,938 --> 01:50:06,706
And what stops the glass?</font></font>

2046
01:50:08,208 --> 01:50:10,844
I'm gonna head to Base Camp.
Best of luck.</font></font>

2047
01:50:11,578 --> 01:50:13,179
Robert,</font></font>

2048
01:50:14,114 --> 01:50:15,715
try not to
blow up the world.</font></font>

2049
01:50:27,394 --> 01:50:28,561
Watch that needle.</font></font>

2050
01:50:28,561 --> 01:50:30,263
If the detonators don't charge,</font></font>

2051
01:50:30,263 --> 01:50:32,198
or the voltage drops
below one volt,</font></font>

2052
01:50:32,198 --> 01:50:33,867
you hit that button,
you abort.</font></font>

2053
01:50:33,867 --> 01:50:35,602
Understood?</font></font>

2054
01:50:35,602 --> 01:50:36,803
Understood.</font></font>

2055
01:50:43,877 --> 01:50:46,379
[soldier on loudspeaker]
Two minutes to detonation.</i></font></font>

2056
01:50:46,379 --> 01:50:48,181
Everybody down.</font></font>

2057
01:50:48,181 --> 01:50:52,519
Do not turn around
until you see light
reflected on the hills.</font></font>

2058
01:50:52,519 --> 01:50:55,522
Then look at the explosion
only through
your welder's glass.</font></font>

2059
01:50:55,522 --> 01:50:57,957
[on loudspeaker]
Ninety seconds to detonation.</i></font></font>

2060
01:50:58,458 --> 01:50:59,726
[static on radio]</font></font>

2061
01:50:59,726 --> 01:51:02,796
[on radio]
Eighty seconds to detonation.</i></font></font>

2062
01:51:02,796 --> 01:51:04,364
Is it rubbed in?</font></font>

2063
01:51:04,931 --> 01:51:06,166
Yeah.</font></font>

2064
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:15,809
[on radio]
Sixty seconds to detonation.</i></font></font>

2065
01:51:30,423 --> 01:51:32,625
These things
are hard on your heart.</font></font>

2066
01:51:32,625 --> 01:51:34,260
[on loudspeaker]
Thirty seconds.</i></font></font>

2067
01:51:37,630 --> 01:51:38,665
[light buzzes]</font></font>

2068
01:51:39,466 --> 01:51:40,900
Detonator's charged.</font></font>

2069
01:51:51,144 --> 01:51:55,515
[on loudspeaker] 17, 16, 15...</i></font></font>

2070
01:51:55,515 --> 01:52:02,288
14, 13, 12, 11...</i></font></font>

2071
01:52:02,655 --> 01:52:03,823
Ten...</i></font></font>

2072
01:52:03,823 --> 01:52:05,125
[detonator hums]</font></font>

2073
01:52:05,125 --> 01:52:07,193
...nine,</i></font></font>

2074
01:52:07,193 --> 01:52:08,595
eight...</i></font></font>

2075
01:52:09,195 --> 01:52:10,597
seven...</i></font></font>

2076
01:52:11,898 --> 01:52:13,366
six...</i></font></font>

2077
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:15,535
five...</i></font></font>

2078
01:52:17,370 --> 01:52:18,671
four...</i></font></font>

2079
01:52:20,173 --> 01:52:21,541
three...</i></font></font>

2080
01:52:22,142 --> 01:52:23,510
two...</i></font></font>

2081
01:52:24,978 --> 01:52:26,279
one.</i></font></font>

2082
01:52:29,582 --> 01:52:31,551
[Oppenheimer breathing deeply]</font></font>

2083
01:52:39,659 --> 01:52:42,595
[gasps]</font></font>

2084
01:52:45,765 --> 01:52:46,800
[grunts]</font></font>

2085
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:48,635
[exhales]</font></font>

2086
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:53,339
[breathing deeply]</font></font>

2087
01:53:01,214 --> 01:53:03,950
[deep breathing continues]</font></font>

2088
01:53:33,513 --> 01:53:36,449
[breathing heavily]</font></font>

2089
01:53:58,738 --> 01:54:01,307
[Oppenheimer]
"And now I am become Death."</i></font></font>

2090
01:54:03,543 --> 01:54:05,478
"The destroyer of worlds."</i></font></font>

2091
01:54:07,947 --> 01:54:09,716
[shock wave thunders]</font></font>

2092
01:54:20,493 --> 01:54:22,462
[shock wave thunders]</font></font>

2093
01:54:28,100 --> 01:54:29,703
[shock wave thunders]</font></font>

2094
01:54:36,409 --> 01:54:37,977
[objects rattling]</font></font>

2095
01:54:38,845 --> 01:54:39,879
It worked.</font></font>

2096
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:49,489
[scattered laughter]</font></font>

2097
01:54:49,489 --> 01:54:51,257
[cheers, laughs]</font></font>

2098
01:54:51,257 --> 01:54:54,270
[cheering, applauding]</font></font>

2099
01:55:02,435 --> 01:55:05,939
[applauding, cheering]</font></font>

2100
01:55:14,314 --> 01:55:15,382
[Kistiakowsky cheers]</font></font>

2101
01:55:15,382 --> 01:55:17,384
You owe me ten dollars!
Oh!</font></font>

2102
01:55:17,384 --> 01:55:19,519
[both laughing]</font></font>

2103
01:55:19,519 --> 01:55:20,787
Come on!</font></font>

2104
01:55:20,787 --> 01:55:23,323
I-- I'm good for it, Kisty.
[laughs]</font></font>

2105
01:55:23,323 --> 01:55:24,657
You are. [laughs]</font></font>

2106
01:55:25,225 --> 01:55:27,360
Yes, you are! [laughs]</font></font>

2107
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:32,332
[cheering, applauding]</font></font>

2108
01:55:32,332 --> 01:55:34,567
[chattering]</font></font>

2109
01:55:55,455 --> 01:55:58,240
We did it! Well done.</font></font>

2110
01:56:03,897 --> 01:56:05,899
[Groves]
Get me Potsdam right away.</font></font>

2111
01:56:17,770 --> 01:56:19,846
Get a message to Kitty.
We can't say anything.</font></font>

2112
01:56:19,846 --> 01:56:21,748
Tell her
to take in the sheets.</font></font>

2113
01:56:31,358 --> 01:56:33,593
[baby screaming]
[phone ringing]</font></font>

2114
01:56:35,995 --> 01:56:36,930
Shh.</font></font>

2115
01:56:36,930 --> 01:56:38,665
Hello?
[Charlotte] Hi. Kitty?</i></font></font>

2116
01:56:38,665 --> 01:56:41,634
What-- What? Charlotte.
Charlotte, go ahead, go ahead.</font></font>

2117
01:56:41,634 --> 01:56:46,539
Oh, um, well, I don't know,
he just said to tell you to
"bring in the sheets."</i></font></font>

2118
01:56:49,242 --> 01:56:50,477
Kitty?</i></font></font>

2119
01:56:51,811 --> 01:56:54,614
Kitty? Kitty,
are you still there?</i></font></font>

2120
01:57:01,321 --> 01:57:04,591
If they detonate it
too high in the air,
the blast won't be as powerful.</font></font>

2121
01:57:04,591 --> 01:57:06,993
With respect, Dr. Oppenheimer,</font></font>

2122
01:57:06,993 --> 01:57:08,695
we'll take it from here.</font></font>

2123
01:57:18,938 --> 01:57:21,908
Did Truman brief Stalin
at Potsdam?</font></font>

2124
01:57:21,908 --> 01:57:24,577
A brief would be
an overstatement.</font></font>

2125
01:57:24,577 --> 01:57:28,882
He referred to
a powerful new weapon.</font></font>

2126
01:57:28,882 --> 01:57:33,987
Stalin hoped we'd use it
against Japan.</font></font>

2127
01:57:35,155 --> 01:57:36,656
That's it?</font></font>

2128
01:57:36,656 --> 01:57:38,591
Robert,
we've given them an ace,</font></font>

2129
01:57:38,591 --> 01:57:40,560
it's for them
to play the hand.</font></font>

2130
01:57:42,328 --> 01:57:44,130
You're aiming for the 6th?</font></font>

2131
01:57:44,130 --> 01:57:46,866
Well, it's up to the CO
in the Pacific.</font></font>

2132
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,300
Should I come with you
to Washington?</font></font>

2133
01:57:51,604 --> 01:57:52,939
What for?</font></font>

2134
01:57:55,108 --> 01:57:56,976
Well, you'll
keep me informed.</font></font>

2135
01:57:58,211 --> 01:57:59,245
Of course.</font></font>

2136
01:58:01,414 --> 01:58:02,682
As best I can.</font></font>

2137
01:58:02,682 --> 01:58:06,190
- [truck engine starts]
- [people applauding]</font></font>

2138
01:58:07,587 --> 01:58:09,656
[chains rattling]</font></font>

2139
01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:23,670
Would the Japanese surrender
if they knew what was coming?</font></font>

2140
01:58:24,637 --> 01:58:26,390
I don't know.</font></font>

2141
01:58:28,408 --> 01:58:30,443
[Teller] Have you seen
Szilard's petition?</font></font>

2142
01:58:30,443 --> 01:58:33,130
What the hell does Szilard
know about the Japanese?</font></font>

2143
01:58:33,130 --> 01:58:34,547
You're not signing it,
are you?</font></font>

2144
01:58:35,348 --> 01:58:37,951
Many people have.
A lot of people have.</font></font>

2145
01:58:37,951 --> 01:58:39,152
Edward,</font></font>

2146
01:58:40,487 --> 01:58:41,888
the fact
that we built this bomb</font></font>

2147
01:58:41,888 --> 01:58:44,991
does not give us any more
right or responsibility</font></font>

2148
01:58:44,991 --> 01:58:47,227
to decide how it's used
than anyone else.</font></font>

2149
01:58:47,227 --> 01:58:49,329
But we're the only people
who know about it.</font></font>

2150
01:58:49,329 --> 01:58:52,966
I've told Stimson
the various opinions
of the community.</font></font>

2151
01:58:52,966 --> 01:58:54,300
But what's your opinion?</font></font>

2152
01:58:55,769 --> 01:58:57,170
Once it's used...</font></font>

2153
01:58:58,171 --> 01:59:02,420
nuclear war, perhaps all war...</font></font>

2154
01:59:03,476 --> 01:59:04,878
becomes unthinkable.</font></font>

2155
01:59:04,878 --> 01:59:07,847
Until somebody builds
a bigger bomb.</font></font>

2156
01:59:28,601 --> 01:59:30,303
I thought they would call.</font></font>

2157
01:59:30,303 --> 01:59:31,938
It's only the 5th.</font></font>

2158
01:59:34,107 --> 01:59:36,760
In Japan, it's the 6th.</font></font>

2159
01:59:49,890 --> 01:59:50,123
Charlotte.</font></font>

2160
01:59:52,592 --> 01:59:54,194
Try Groves.</font></font>

2161
01:59:55,195 --> 01:59:56,229
Anything?</i></font></font>

2162
01:59:58,298 --> 01:59:59,766
Charlotte?</font></font>

2163
01:59:59,766 --> 02:00:01,267
[Charlotte]
Truman's on the radio.</font></font>

2164
02:00:02,202 --> 02:00:04,838
[Truman on radio]
Sixteen hours ago,</i></font></font>

2165
02:00:04,838 --> 02:00:10,410
an American airplane
dropped one bomb
on Hiroshima...</i></font></font>

2166
02:00:10,410 --> 02:00:12,780
[feedback squealing]</font></font>

2167
02:00:12,780 --> 02:00:15,248
[on loudspeaker]
...and destroyed
its usefulness to the enemy.</i></font></font>

2168
02:00:15,248 --> 02:00:17,117
[soldiers cheering]</font></font>

2169
02:00:17,117 --> 02:00:23,156
The bomb had more power
than 20,000 tons of TNT.</i></font></font>

2170
02:00:25,125 --> 02:00:27,930
It is an atomic bomb.</i></font></font>

2171
02:00:27,930 --> 02:00:29,696
- [truck horns honking]
- [soldiers cheering]</font></font>

2172
02:00:29,696 --> 02:00:34,868
It is a harnessing
of the basic power
of the universe.</i></font></font>

2173
02:00:36,803 --> 02:00:38,380
[Charlotte] Groves on one.</i></font></font>

2174
02:00:38,380 --> 02:00:39,873
[Truman]
We are now prepared to destroy,</i></font></font>

2175
02:00:39,873 --> 02:00:43,309
more rapidly and completely,
the Japanese--</i></font></font>

2176
02:00:43,309 --> 02:00:45,178
[Oppenheimer clears throat]
General?</font></font>

2177
02:00:45,178 --> 02:00:48,281
[Groves] I'm very proud of you
and all of your people.</i></font></font>

2178
02:00:48,281 --> 02:00:49,749
It went all right?</font></font>

2179
02:00:49,749 --> 02:00:52,152
Apparently, it went
with a tremendous bang.</i></font></font>

2180
02:00:53,219 --> 02:00:57,290
Well, everyone here
is feeling reasonably good
about it.</font></font>

2181
02:00:58,992 --> 02:01:00,527
It's been a long road.</font></font>

2182
02:01:00,527 --> 02:01:03,129
I think
one of the wisest things
I ever did</i></font></font>

2183
02:01:03,129 --> 02:01:05,799
was when I selected
the director of Los Alamos.</i></font></font>

2184
02:01:06,466 --> 02:01:08,501
[horn honking]
[cheering]</font></font>

2185
02:01:08,501 --> 02:01:12,572
[Truman] We have spent
more than two billion dollars</i></font></font>

2186
02:01:12,572 --> 02:01:16,576
on the greatest
scientific gamble
in history,</i></font></font>

2187
02:01:17,110 --> 02:01:19,245
and we have won.</i></font></font>

2188
02:01:19,913 --> 02:01:22,515
[cheering]</font></font>

2189
02:01:23,683 --> 02:01:27,153
[all] Oppie! Oppie!
Oppie! Oppie!</font></font>

2190
02:01:27,153 --> 02:01:43,470
Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie!</font></font>

2191
02:01:43,470 --> 02:01:45,839
[cheering, applauding]</font></font>

2192
02:01:45,839 --> 02:01:48,274
[feet stamping]</font></font>

2193
02:01:50,944 --> 02:01:53,179
[stamping intensifies]</font></font>

2194
02:02:09,929 --> 02:02:13,166
[cheering, whistling]</font></font>

2195
02:02:17,470 --> 02:02:18,872
[whooping]</font></font>

2196
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:48,568
The world...</font></font>

2197
02:02:50,236 --> 02:02:51,638
will remember this day.</font></font>

2198
02:02:51,638 --> 02:02:54,207
[cheering]</font></font>

2199
02:03:02,649 --> 02:03:05,510
[rumbling]</font></font>

2200
02:03:10,957 --> 02:03:12,826
It's too soon to--</font></font>

2201
02:03:12,826 --> 02:03:17,970
It's too soon to determine
what the results
of the bombing are.</font></font>

2202
02:03:19,733 --> 02:03:21,801
But I'll bet
the Japanese didn't like it.</font></font>

2203
02:03:21,801 --> 02:03:23,203
[cheering]</font></font>

2204
02:03:30,677 --> 02:03:32,312
[person screaming]</font></font>

2205
02:03:33,847 --> 02:03:36,316
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

2206
02:03:37,851 --> 02:03:40,220
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

2207
02:03:42,689 --> 02:03:44,357
I'm so proud.</font></font>

2208
02:03:45,191 --> 02:03:47,160
So proud of
what you have accomplished.</font></font>

2209
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:49,290
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

2210
02:03:54,667 --> 02:03:57,570
I just wish we had it in time
to use against the Germans.</font></font>

2211
02:03:57,570 --> 02:03:59,272
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

2212
02:04:20,126 --> 02:04:23,630
[laughing, distorted]
[crowd cheering]</font></font>

2213
02:04:27,767 --> 02:04:30,336
[laughing]</font></font>

2214
02:04:45,819 --> 02:04:47,787
[sobbing]</font></font>

2215
02:04:47,787 --> 02:04:50,223
[scream, distorted]</font></font>

2216
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,440
[sobbing]</font></font>

2217
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,130
[laughter]</font></font>

2218
02:05:16,116 --> 02:05:18,351
[distorted wailing continues]</font></font>

2219
02:05:42,809 --> 02:05:45,450
[footsteps approaching]</font></font>

2220
02:05:47,313 --> 02:05:49,150
Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

2221
02:05:49,883 --> 02:05:51,510
Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

2222
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:53,319
[chuckles] Nice picture.</font></font>

2223
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:56,220
President Truman
will see you now.</font></font>

2224
02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:12,872
Dr. Oppenheimer.
It's an honor.</font></font>

2225
02:06:12,872 --> 02:06:14,841
Mr. President. Please.</font></font>

2226
02:06:14,841 --> 02:06:16,209
Thank you.</font></font>

2227
02:06:16,710 --> 02:06:18,440
Secretary Byrnes.</font></font>

2228
02:06:20,146 --> 02:06:23,350
How's it feel to be
the most famous man
in the world?</font></font>

2229
02:06:24,217 --> 02:06:27,454
You helped save
a lot of American lives.</font></font>

2230
02:06:27,454 --> 02:06:31,624
What we did
at Hiroshima was a--
And Nagasaki.</font></font>

2231
02:06:32,792 --> 02:06:34,661
Well, obviously.</font></font>

2232
02:06:34,661 --> 02:06:37,997
Your invention
let us bring our boys home.</font></font>

2233
02:06:37,997 --> 02:06:40,166
Well, it was hardly...</font></font>

2234
02:06:40,166 --> 02:06:41,368
my invention.</font></font>

2235
02:06:41,368 --> 02:06:43,403
It was you
on the cover of Time.</i></font></font>

2236
02:06:43,403 --> 02:06:46,239
[Truman, Byrnes laughing]</font></font>

2237
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:49,843
Jim tells me you're concerned
about an arms race
with the Soviets.</font></font>

2238
02:06:49,843 --> 02:06:51,511
Oh, yes, uh...</font></font>

2239
02:06:52,946 --> 02:06:54,214
Well, um...</font></font>

2240
02:06:54,214 --> 02:06:55,548
It's that, uh,</font></font>

2241
02:06:55,548 --> 02:06:59,552
now is our chance to secure...</font></font>

2242
02:06:59,552 --> 02:07:02,489
international cooperation on...
[clears throat] ...atomic energy</font></font>

2243
02:07:02,489 --> 02:07:04,691
a-a-and I'm concerned--</font></font>

2244
02:07:04,691 --> 02:07:07,660
Do you know when the Soviets
are gonna have the bomb?</font></font>

2245
02:07:07,660 --> 02:07:09,796
I don't think
I could give a precise--</font></font>

2246
02:07:09,796 --> 02:07:11,264
Never.</font></font>

2247
02:07:11,898 --> 02:07:13,366
Never.</font></font>

2248
02:07:13,366 --> 02:07:16,669
Mr. President,
the Russians have
good physicists</font></font>

2249
02:07:16,669 --> 02:07:19,372
a-a-and abundant resources.
Abundant?</font></font>

2250
02:07:19,372 --> 02:07:20,640
[Truman chuckles]
Yes.</font></font>

2251
02:07:21,307 --> 02:07:23,276
- I don't think so.
- [chuckles]</font></font>

2252
02:07:23,276 --> 02:07:27,180
Well, they'll put everything
they have in...</font></font>

2253
02:07:30,617 --> 02:07:35,455
I hear you're leaving
Los Alamos. [sniffles]</font></font>

2254
02:07:35,455 --> 02:07:36,923
What should we do with it?</font></font>

2255
02:07:36,923 --> 02:07:39,292
Give it back to the Indians.</font></font>

2256
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:49,836
Um, Dr. Oppenheimer,</font></font>

2257
02:07:49,836 --> 02:07:53,600
if what you say
about the Soviets is true,</font></font>

2258
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:57,544
we have to build up Los Alamos,
not shut it down.</font></font>

2259
02:08:01,810 --> 02:08:02,782
Mr. President...</font></font>

2260
02:08:03,917 --> 02:08:05,251
Um...</font></font>

2261
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:11,891
I feel that I have
blood on my hands.</font></font>

2262
02:08:31,444 --> 02:08:36,683
You think anyone
in Hiroshima or Nagasaki</font></font>

2263
02:08:36,683 --> 02:08:39,886
gives a shit who built the bomb?</font></font>

2264
02:08:43,123 --> 02:08:45,658
They care who dropped it.</font></font>

2265
02:08:46,259 --> 02:08:47,494
I did.</font></font>

2266
02:08:50,196 --> 02:08:52,799
Hiroshima isn't about you.</font></font>

2267
02:08:59,139 --> 02:09:00,607
Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2268
02:09:04,210 --> 02:09:05,445
[clears throat]</font></font>

2269
02:09:11,885 --> 02:09:14,487
Don't let that crybaby
back in here.</font></font>

2270
02:09:19,759 --> 02:09:22,829
[Strauss] Robert saw
that hand-wringing
got him nowhere.</i></font></font>

2271
02:09:22,829 --> 02:09:25,899
By the time I met him,
he'd fully embraced</i></font></font>

2272
02:09:25,899 --> 02:09:28,735
his "father of the bomb"
reputation.</i></font></font>

2273
02:09:28,735 --> 02:09:31,271
And he used his profile
to influence policy.</font></font>

2274
02:09:31,271 --> 02:09:33,600
[chattering]</font></font>

2275
02:09:38,278 --> 02:09:39,946
[camera shutter clicks]</font></font>

2276
02:09:39,946 --> 02:09:42,150
[Robb] Doctor, in the years
following the war,</i></font></font>

2277
02:09:42,150 --> 02:09:44,351
would you say that
you exerted a great influence</font></font>

2278
02:09:44,351 --> 02:09:46,119
on the atomic policies
of the USA?</font></font>

2279
02:09:46,119 --> 02:09:48,822
[Oppenheimer]
I think "great" would be
an overstatement.</i></font></font>

2280
02:09:48,822 --> 02:09:51,570
[Robb] Really?
If we look at the issue
of isotopes,</font></font>

2281
02:09:51,570 --> 02:09:54,527
were you not personally
responsible for destroying all
opposition to their export?</font></font>

2282
02:09:54,527 --> 02:09:57,130
- You could use
a bottle of beer...
- [gallery laughing]</font></font>

2283
02:09:57,130 --> 02:09:58,331
...when making atomic weapons.</font></font>

2284
02:09:58,331 --> 02:09:59,399
In fact, you do.</font></font>

2285
02:09:59,399 --> 02:10:00,767
I was the spokesman,</font></font>

2286
02:10:00,767 --> 02:10:03,236
but the opinion among scientists
was unanimous.</font></font>

2287
02:10:03,236 --> 02:10:06,740
All along
with McCarthy on the rise,
he knew he was vulnerable.</font></font>

2288
02:10:07,474 --> 02:10:08,675
His brother was blacklisted</font></font>

2289
02:10:08,675 --> 02:10:11,411
by every university
in the country.</font></font>

2290
02:10:12,579 --> 02:10:15,915
Lomanitz wound up working
the railroad, laying track.</font></font>

2291
02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:19,886
And Chevalier went into exile.</font></font>

2292
02:10:21,521 --> 02:10:25,458
But none of that stopped Robert
from pushing the GAC</font></font>

2293
02:10:25,458 --> 02:10:28,610
to recommend arms control
instead of the H-bomb.</font></font>

2294
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:33,733
He was devastated when Truman
rejected their recommendation.</font></font>

2295
02:10:35,602 --> 02:10:37,370
I miss Richard
more than I can bear.</font></font>

2296
02:10:37,370 --> 02:10:39,239
I know, Ruth, I know.</font></font>

2297
02:10:39,239 --> 02:10:42,942
Part of me's glad
he didn't live to see
where this is all going.</font></font>

2298
02:10:45,745 --> 02:10:48,782
Here comes the birthday boy.
To gloat.</font></font>

2299
02:10:48,782 --> 02:10:49,849
Have fun.</font></font>

2300
02:10:50,750 --> 02:10:52,752
Robert, uh,
my son and his fiancée</font></font>

2301
02:10:52,752 --> 02:10:55,288
are desperate to meet
the father of the atomic bomb,
and so...</font></font>

2302
02:10:55,288 --> 02:10:57,624
Well... good day.</font></font>

2303
02:11:04,431 --> 02:11:06,232
Is this a bad time?</font></font>

2304
02:11:06,232 --> 02:11:07,701
What do you think, Lewis?</font></font>

2305
02:11:07,701 --> 02:11:10,370
Well, I think
it must have been
a blow for you.</font></font>

2306
02:11:10,370 --> 02:11:11,671
For the world.</font></font>

2307
02:11:12,939 --> 02:11:16,376
The world?
What does Fuchs mean
to the rest of the world?</font></font>

2308
02:11:17,777 --> 02:11:19,145
Fuchs?</font></font>

2309
02:11:19,145 --> 02:11:20,714
Klaus Fuchs?</font></font>

2310
02:11:22,215 --> 02:11:24,617
Oh, dear. You haven't heard.</font></font>

2311
02:11:27,554 --> 02:11:29,622
Klaus Fuchs,
the British scientist</font></font>

2312
02:11:29,622 --> 02:11:32,659
that you put onto
the implosion team
at Los Alamos,</font></font>

2313
02:11:32,659 --> 02:11:38,231
turns out he was spying
for the Soviets
the whole time.</font></font>

2314
02:11:38,231 --> 02:11:39,666
I'm sorry.</font></font>

2315
02:11:44,971 --> 02:11:47,841
[Strauss] After the truth
about Fuchs came out,</i></font></font>

2316
02:11:47,841 --> 02:11:50,110
the FBI stepped up
surveillance on him.</font></font>

2317
02:11:50,110 --> 02:11:52,645
He knew his phone was tapped,</font></font>

2318
02:11:52,645 --> 02:11:54,714
he was followed everywhere,</font></font>

2319
02:11:55,348 --> 02:11:57,830
his trash picked through.</font></font>

2320
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:04,224
- But never stopped
speaking his mind.
- A man of conviction.</font></font>

2321
02:12:04,224 --> 02:12:07,627
And maybe he thought fame
could actually protect him.</font></font>

2322
02:12:09,596 --> 02:12:12,732
When Eisenhower took office,
he saw one more chance.</font></font>

2323
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:15,268
He took it.</font></font>

2324
02:12:15,268 --> 02:12:21,808
America and Russia
may be likened to
two scorpions in a bottle,</font></font>

2325
02:12:21,808 --> 02:12:25,412
each capable
of killing the other,</font></font>

2326
02:12:25,412 --> 02:12:28,810
but only at the risk
of his own life.</font></font>

2327
02:12:28,810 --> 02:12:30,850
Now, there are various aspects
of this policy--</font></font>

2328
02:12:30,850 --> 02:12:32,952
[Strauss]
Lot of scientists blame me,</i></font></font>

2329
02:12:32,952 --> 02:12:35,922
but how was I supposed
to protect him?</i></font></font>

2330
02:12:35,922 --> 02:12:39,325
...are too secret
for discussion,
candor is the only remedy.</font></font>

2331
02:12:39,325 --> 02:12:43,263
Officials in Washington
need to start leveling
with the American people.</font></font>

2332
02:12:43,263 --> 02:12:44,898
[murmuring]</font></font>

2333
02:12:44,898 --> 02:12:47,701
That was the last straw
for Robert's enemies.</font></font>

2334
02:12:47,701 --> 02:12:49,769
So he had to lose
his security clearance?</font></font>

2335
02:12:49,769 --> 02:12:52,505
- And with it, his credibility.
- [knocks on window]</font></font>

2336
02:12:52,505 --> 02:12:54,574
But how could they do it?</font></font>

2337
02:12:54,574 --> 02:12:58,111
He was a war hero.
He'd already told everyone
about his past.</font></font>

2338
02:12:58,111 --> 02:13:00,146
Borden dredged it all up.</font></font>

2339
02:13:00,146 --> 02:13:03,350
How could Borden get access
to Oppenheimer's FBI file?</font></font>

2340
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:07,454
Could it have been Nichols?
No, I can't imagine
he'd do that.</font></font>

2341
02:13:07,454 --> 02:13:09,322
But whoever did
unleashed a firestorm</font></font>

2342
02:13:09,322 --> 02:13:14,427
that burned a path
from the White House
back to my desk at the AEC.</font></font>

2343
02:13:14,427 --> 02:13:16,196
You see him in there, right?</font></font>

2344
02:13:16,963 --> 02:13:19,799
I've worked
my whole life to get here,</font></font>

2345
02:13:19,799 --> 02:13:21,835
Cabinet of
the United States of America,</font></font>

2346
02:13:21,835 --> 02:13:25,939
and now, in front of
the entire country, they're
gonna put me back in my place.</font></font>

2347
02:13:27,574 --> 02:13:29,843
A lowly shoe salesman.</font></font>

2348
02:13:29,843 --> 02:13:32,120
Lewis,
we can win this thing.</font></font>

2349
02:13:32,120 --> 02:13:35,348
I-I think we can get the Senate
to grasp that you did your duty,</font></font>

2350
02:13:35,348 --> 02:13:37,500
painful though it was.</font></font>

2351
02:13:37,500 --> 02:13:39,352
Now, will Hill's testimony
back us up?
Hill will be fine.</font></font>

2352
02:13:39,352 --> 02:13:42,922
I don't really know him, but
he was one of Szilard's boys
in Chicago,</font></font>

2353
02:13:42,922 --> 02:13:44,424
and they never forgave Robert</font></font>

2354
02:13:44,424 --> 02:13:47,930
for not supporting the petition
against bombing Japan.</font></font>

2355
02:13:47,930 --> 02:13:48,361
[projector clicks]</font></font>

2356
02:13:48,361 --> 02:13:52,332
[Morrison] This was taken
31 days after the bombing.</font></font>

2357
02:13:52,332 --> 02:13:57,537
Virtually everyone
in the street
for nearly a mile around</font></font>

2358
02:13:57,537 --> 02:14:00,740
was instantly
and seriously burned.</font></font>

2359
02:14:00,740 --> 02:14:02,475
[audience gasping]</font></font>

2360
02:14:02,475 --> 02:14:06,746
[Morrison]
The Japanese spoke of people
who wore striped clothing</font></font>

2361
02:14:06,746 --> 02:14:09,716
upon whom the skin
was burned in stripes.</font></font>

2362
02:14:10,617 --> 02:14:13,860
There were many
who thought themselves lucky,</font></font>

2363
02:14:13,860 --> 02:14:17,257
who climbed out
of the ruins of their homes,
only slightly injured.</font></font>

2364
02:14:18,825 --> 02:14:20,960
But they died anyway.</font></font>

2365
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:25,532
They died days or weeks later
from the radium-like rays</font></font>

2366
02:14:25,532 --> 02:14:29,903
emitted in great numbers
at the moment of the explosion.</font></font>

2367
02:14:30,937 --> 02:14:33,390
Did you read
this crap in the papers?</font></font>

2368
02:14:33,390 --> 02:14:35,108
A British physicist
is saying</font></font>

2369
02:14:35,108 --> 02:14:38,111
the atomic bombings
were not the last act
of World War II,</font></font>

2370
02:14:38,111 --> 02:14:41,281
but the first act
of this cold war with Russia.</font></font>

2371
02:14:41,281 --> 02:14:42,682
Which physicist?</font></font>

2372
02:14:42,682 --> 02:14:45,685
I think you knew him.
Patrick Blackett.</font></font>

2373
02:14:47,530 --> 02:14:48,321
[scoffs]</font></font>

2374
02:14:48,321 --> 02:14:49,789
He may not be wrong.</font></font>

2375
02:14:49,789 --> 02:14:51,224
Stimson is now telling me</font></font>

2376
02:14:51,224 --> 02:14:54,627
we bombed an enemy
that was essentially defeated.</font></font>

2377
02:14:54,627 --> 02:14:57,297
Robert, you've
all the influence now.</font></font>

2378
02:14:58,131 --> 02:14:59,399
Please.</font></font>

2379
02:14:59,399 --> 02:15:01,901
Urge them
to continue my research
on the Super.</font></font>

2380
02:15:01,901 --> 02:15:04,270
I neither can nor will, Edward.</font></font>

2381
02:15:04,270 --> 02:15:05,638
Why not?</font></font>

2382
02:15:05,638 --> 02:15:07,640
It's not the right use
of our resources.</font></font>

2383
02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:09,175
Is that what
you really believe?</font></font>

2384
02:15:09,175 --> 02:15:14,180
J. Robert Oppenheimer.
Sphinx-like guru of the atom.</font></font>

2385
02:15:15,415 --> 02:15:17,150
Nobody knows
what you believe.</font></font>

2386
02:15:18,284 --> 02:15:20,286
Do you? Hmm?</font></font>

2387
02:15:20,286 --> 02:15:22,922
[Groves] One final time,
our program director,</i></font></font>

2388
02:15:22,922 --> 02:15:24,924
Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.</i></font></font>

2389
02:15:26,226 --> 02:15:28,428
[Oppenheimer]
I hope that, in years to come,</font></font>

2390
02:15:28,428 --> 02:15:31,698
you will look back on your work
here with pride.</font></font>

2391
02:15:31,698 --> 02:15:36,403
But today that pride
must be tempered
with a profound concern.</font></font>

2392
02:15:37,837 --> 02:15:42,275
If atomic weapons are
to be added to the arsenals
of a warring world,</font></font>

2393
02:15:42,275 --> 02:15:47,747
then the day will come
when people will curse
the name of Los Alamos.</font></font>

2394
02:15:51,718 --> 02:15:54,621
Sorry, Admiral.
Stopped off to get this.</font></font>

2395
02:15:55,522 --> 02:15:58,910
It seems pretty favorable.</font></font>

2396
02:15:58,910 --> 02:16:00,727
There's Oppenheimer.
What's the caption?</font></font>

2397
02:16:00,727 --> 02:16:03,830
Uh, "J. Robert Oppenheimer,
Strauss fought...</font></font>

2398
02:16:05,465 --> 02:16:06,900
and the US won."</font></font>

2399
02:16:07,801 --> 02:16:09,690
That'll work.</font></font>

2400
02:16:09,690 --> 02:16:11,404
Those were your words
from the other day.</font></font>

2401
02:16:11,404 --> 02:16:13,730
We needed to pivot.</font></font>

2402
02:16:13,730 --> 02:16:15,875
But how would you know what
Time</i> magazine's gonna write?</font></font>

2403
02:16:15,875 --> 02:16:18,178
Henry Luce is a friend.</font></font>

2404
02:16:25,352 --> 02:16:28,288
You sat here
and let me tell you
how it's done,</font></font>

2405
02:16:28,288 --> 02:16:30,657
but you've been far ahead
all along.</font></font>

2406
02:16:30,657 --> 02:16:33,827
Survival in Washington</font></font>

2407
02:16:33,827 --> 02:16:36,262
is about knowing
how to get things done.</font></font>

2408
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:37,864
Right.</font></font>

2409
02:16:39,733 --> 02:16:41,434
What was it you said
about Borden?</font></font>

2410
02:16:41,434 --> 02:16:43,970
"Why get caught
holding the knife yourself?"</font></font>

2411
02:16:45,638 --> 02:16:49,109
I'm beginning to think Borden
was holding the knife for you.</font></font>

2412
02:16:51,111 --> 02:16:55,682
It's gonna come down
to how much influence Borden's
been able to exert on Teller.</font></font>

2413
02:16:55,682 --> 02:16:56,883
[Kitty laughing]</font></font>

2414
02:16:56,883 --> 02:16:58,685
[attorney]
Did I say something funny?</font></font>

2415
02:16:58,685 --> 02:17:02,856
Just "Borden, Borden, Borden"
when we all know
that it's Strauss.</font></font>

2416
02:17:02,856 --> 02:17:05,291
Lewis brought me
to Princeton, Kitty.</font></font>

2417
02:17:05,291 --> 02:17:08,128
And then you humiliated him
in front of Congress.</font></font>

2418
02:17:08,128 --> 02:17:10,997
But more useful
than a sandwich.
[gallery laughing]</font></font>

2419
02:17:13,967 --> 02:17:15,201
How'd I do?</font></font>

2420
02:17:16,169 --> 02:17:18,380
Maybe a little too well, Robert.</font></font>

2421
02:17:18,380 --> 02:17:19,539
That was six years ago.</font></font>

2422
02:17:19,539 --> 02:17:23,243
You know the truly vindictive,
patient as saints.</font></font>

2423
02:17:23,243 --> 02:17:26,460
Strauss has been perfectly clear
that he is neutral.</font></font>

2424
02:17:26,460 --> 02:17:29,482
- [glass shatters]
- Wake up! It is Strauss!</font></font>

2425
02:17:29,482 --> 02:17:32,719
It's always been Strauss,
and you know it.</font></font>

2426
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:34,487
Why won't you fight him?</font></font>

2427
02:17:35,210 --> 02:17:36,256
Christ's sake.</font></font>

2428
02:17:37,457 --> 02:17:41,327
It wasn't Nichols, or Hoover,
or one of Truman's guys.</font></font>

2429
02:17:41,327 --> 02:17:43,897
It was you.
You gave the file to Borden.</font></font>

2430
02:17:43,897 --> 02:17:46,199
You set him on Oppenheimer.
You convinced him to--</font></font>

2431
02:17:46,199 --> 02:17:50,804
Borden didn't take
any convincing.</font></font>

2432
02:17:50,804 --> 02:17:52,539
Take your time,
use the entire file.</font></font>

2433
02:17:52,539 --> 02:17:54,874
Write up your conclusions,
send them to the FBI.</font></font>

2434
02:17:54,874 --> 02:17:59,412
The material
is obviously extensive,
but there's nothing new here.</font></font>

2435
02:17:59,412 --> 02:18:01,748
[Strauss]
Your conclusions will be.</font></font>

2436
02:18:01,748 --> 02:18:03,850
And they'll
have to be answered.</font></font>

2437
02:18:03,850 --> 02:18:05,518
Hoover passes them to McCarthy?</font></font>

2438
02:18:05,518 --> 02:18:08,888
Oppenheimer's too slippery
for that self-promoting clown.</font></font>

2439
02:18:08,888 --> 02:18:11,991
I've talked it over with Hoover,
he'll hold McCarthy at bay</font></font>

2440
02:18:11,991 --> 02:18:13,793
while you do this with the AEC.</font></font>

2441
02:18:13,793 --> 02:18:14,961
A trial.</font></font>

2442
02:18:14,961 --> 02:18:16,262
No. No trial.</font></font>

2443
02:18:16,262 --> 02:18:19,132
You can't give Oppenheimer
a platform.</font></font>

2444
02:18:19,132 --> 02:18:20,867
You can't martyr him.</font></font>

2445
02:18:20,867 --> 02:18:24,337
We need a systematic destruction
of Oppenheimer's credibility</font></font>

2446
02:18:24,337 --> 02:18:28,740
so he can never again speak
on matters of national security.</font></font>

2447
02:18:28,675 --> 02:18:29,909
Then what?</font></font>

2448
02:18:31,211 --> 02:18:34,681
A shabby little room,
far from the limelight.</font></font>

2449
02:18:34,681 --> 02:18:36,383
[chattering]</font></font>

2450
02:18:40,286 --> 02:18:42,355
[Strauss] A simple,
bureaucratic procedure.</i></font></font>

2451
02:18:42,355 --> 02:18:44,891
His Q clearance
is up for renewal.</font></font>

2452
02:18:44,891 --> 02:18:47,861
You send your accusations
to the FBI...</font></font>

2453
02:18:49,662 --> 02:18:52,966
Hoover sends them to the AEC,
you're forced to act.</font></font>

2454
02:18:52,966 --> 02:18:55,100
You write up an indictment.</font></font>

2455
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:59,239
You tell Oppenheimer
his security clearance
is not being renewed.</i></font></font>

2456
02:18:59,239 --> 02:19:01,274
But offer him
the chance to appeal.</i></font></font>

2457
02:19:01,274 --> 02:19:03,777
As you can see, Robert,
it's not yet signed.</font></font>

2458
02:19:03,777 --> 02:19:05,912
May I keep this?
No.</font></font>

2459
02:19:05,912 --> 02:19:09,949
If you do decide to appeal,
they'll have to send you a copy.</font></font>

2460
02:19:09,949 --> 02:19:13,720
When he appeals,
and trust me, he will,</font></font>

2461
02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:15,789
- I appoint a board.
- [chattering]</font></font>

2462
02:19:15,789 --> 02:19:18,425
They will, of course,
have counsel.</font></font>

2463
02:19:18,425 --> 02:19:20,427
- [Nichols] Prosecutor?
- In all but name.</font></font>

2464
02:19:20,427 --> 02:19:22,429
Who?
Roger Robb.</font></font>

2465
02:19:22,429 --> 02:19:24,300
Ouch.</font></font>

2466
02:19:24,300 --> 02:19:26,733
Robb will have
security clearance
to examine Oppenheimer's file.</font></font>

2467
02:19:26,733 --> 02:19:28,680
As will the Gray board.</i></font></font>

2468
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:29,536
Defense counsel will not.</font></font>

2469
02:19:30,537 --> 02:19:32,105
A closed hearing.</font></font>

2470
02:19:32,105 --> 02:19:36,209
"The so-called
and derogatory information
in your indictment of me..."</font></font>

2471
02:19:36,209 --> 02:19:40,113
No audience. No reporters.
No burden of proof.</font></font>

2472
02:19:40,580 --> 02:19:42,182
No burden of proof?</font></font>

2473
02:19:43,650 --> 02:19:45,180
We're not convicting.</font></font>

2474
02:19:45,852 --> 02:19:47,587
We're just denying.</font></font>

2475
02:19:53,193 --> 02:19:56,290
What is it you said?</font></font>

2476
02:19:56,290 --> 02:19:59,566
"This is just how
the game is played."</font></font>

2477
02:20:00,100 --> 02:20:02,402
Well, forgive my naivete.</font></font>

2478
02:20:02,402 --> 02:20:06,406
Amateurs seek the sun...
get eaten.</font></font>

2479
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:10,510
Power stays in the shadows.</font></font>

2480
02:20:10,510 --> 02:20:13,546
But, sir, you're out
of the shadows now.</font></font>

2481
02:20:13,546 --> 02:20:15,782
Yeah, that's why
this has to work.</font></font>

2482
02:20:15,782 --> 02:20:17,183
Well...</font></font>

2483
02:20:18,518 --> 02:20:21,488
Teller's testifying
this morning. That'll help.</font></font>

2484
02:20:21,488 --> 02:20:22,956
And then...</font></font>

2485
02:20:22,956 --> 02:20:24,324
Hill is in the afternoon.</font></font>

2486
02:20:24,324 --> 02:20:26,292
Hill is gonna help us too.</font></font>

2487
02:20:28,928 --> 02:20:32,332
[Strauss] As you can see,
Robert, it's not yet signed.</font></font>

2488
02:20:32,332 --> 02:20:34,334
May I keep this?
[Nichols] No.</font></font>

2489
02:20:36,503 --> 02:20:41,908
If you do decide to appeal,
then they'll have to
send you a copy.</font></font>

2490
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:47,313
Take my car and driver.
I insist.</font></font>

2491
02:20:51,985 --> 02:20:53,987
I'll have to
consult my lawyers, Lewis.</font></font>

2492
02:20:53,987 --> 02:20:56,823
Of course.
But don't take too long.</font></font>

2493
02:20:56,823 --> 02:20:59,125
I can't keep Nichols at bay.</font></font>

2494
02:21:05,980 --> 02:21:07,300
I'm sorry it's come
to this, Robert.</font></font>

2495
02:21:07,300 --> 02:21:09,135
I think it's wrong.</font></font>

2496
02:21:21,548 --> 02:21:25,352
[Oppenheimer] Nichols
wants me to fight so he can
get it all on the record.</i></font></font>

2497
02:21:25,352 --> 02:21:27,287
Strauss wants me to walk away.</font></font>

2498
02:21:27,287 --> 02:21:32,692
Strauss knows that
you can't do that.
You'd be accepting the charges.</font></font>

2499
02:21:32,692 --> 02:21:34,227
You'll lose your job.</font></font>

2500
02:21:34,227 --> 02:21:37,197
You will lose your reputation.
We'll lose our house.</font></font>

2501
02:21:37,197 --> 02:21:39,199
Robert, we have to fight.</font></font>

2502
02:21:41,835 --> 02:21:45,839
As AEC counsel,
I can't represent you.
I'll call Lloyd Garrison.</font></font>

2503
02:21:45,839 --> 02:21:48,675
- He's good.
- The best, but...</font></font>

2504
02:21:49,642 --> 02:21:50,977
I have to warn you,</font></font>

2505
02:21:51,845 --> 02:21:54,347
this won't be a fair fight.</font></font>

2506
02:21:54,347 --> 02:21:57,500
During your interview
with Boris Pash in 1943,</font></font>

2507
02:21:57,500 --> 02:21:58,618
did you refer to microfilm?</font></font>

2508
02:21:58,618 --> 02:22:01,821
- No.
- Tab 11, page one,
paragraph three.</font></font>

2509
02:22:01,821 --> 02:22:05,425
You never said,
"Man of the consulate
expert in the use of microfilm."</font></font>

2510
02:22:05,425 --> 02:22:07,600
- [Garrison] I'm sorry.
- No.</font></font>

2511
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,295
I would like to know
what document
Mr. Robb is quoting from</font></font>

2512
02:22:09,295 --> 02:22:10,764
and if we might
be furnished with a copy.</font></font>

2513
02:22:10,764 --> 02:22:12,665
The document is classified,
Mr. Garrison.</font></font>

2514
02:22:12,665 --> 02:22:15,680
I think we should get back
to firsthand information.</font></font>

2515
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:18,710
- This is firsthand.
- How so, Roger?</font></font>

2516
02:22:19,606 --> 02:22:21,341
There was a recording
of the interview.</font></font>

2517
02:22:25,745 --> 02:22:28,715
[Garrison]
You let my client sit here
and potentially perjure himself</font></font>

2518
02:22:28,715 --> 02:22:31,151
and all this time,
you had a recording?</font></font>

2519
02:22:31,151 --> 02:22:34,120
Nobody told your client
to misrepresent
his former answers.</font></font>

2520
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,289
Misrepres--
It was 12 years ago.</font></font>

2521
02:22:36,289 --> 02:22:37,691
Can we hear this recording?</font></font>

2522
02:22:37,691 --> 02:22:39,559
You don't have the clearance,
Mr. Garrison.</font></font>

2523
02:22:39,559 --> 02:22:42,280
- But you're reading it
into the record.
- Please, please.</font></font>

2524
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:45,965
Is this proceeding interested
in entrapment or in truth?</font></font>

2525
02:22:45,965 --> 02:22:49,903
If it's truth,
where's the disclosure?
Where's the witness list?</font></font>

2526
02:22:49,903 --> 02:22:52,739
Mr. Garrison,
this isn't a trial,
as you're well aware.</font></font>

2527
02:22:52,739 --> 02:22:57,143
Evidentiary rules do not apply.
We are dealing with
national security.</font></font>

2528
02:22:57,143 --> 02:22:58,812
Yes, sir, with all due respect,</font></font>

2529
02:22:58,812 --> 02:23:01,748
I fail to see
how national security
prevents the prosecution</font></font>

2530
02:23:01,748 --> 02:23:03,316
from providing us
a list of witnesses.</font></font>

2531
02:23:03,316 --> 02:23:05,850
Perhaps we are in need
of a brief recess.</font></font>

2532
02:23:05,850 --> 02:23:06,886
[Oppenheimer]
Gentlemen, you have my words.</font></font>

2533
02:23:06,886 --> 02:23:09,789
If you say
they're from a transcript,
then I'll accept it.</font></font>

2534
02:23:09,789 --> 02:23:12,625
I've already explained
I made up a ****-and-bull story.</font></font>

2535
02:23:12,625 --> 02:23:15,962
But why would anyone
make up such an elaborate story?</font></font>

2536
02:23:15,962 --> 02:23:17,597
Because I was an idiot.</font></font>

2537
02:23:18,131 --> 02:23:19,999
Why lie?</font></font>

2538
02:23:19,999 --> 02:23:23,670
Well, clearly with
the intention of not revealing
who the intermediary was.</font></font>

2539
02:23:23,670 --> 02:23:26,373
Your friend, Haakon Chevalier,
the communist?</font></font>

2540
02:23:26,373 --> 02:23:27,841
Is he still your friend?</font></font>

2541
02:23:28,808 --> 02:23:30,760
Yes.</font></font>

2542
02:23:32,846 --> 02:23:35,181
[Garrison] Dr. Rabi,
thank you for coming.</font></font>

2543
02:23:35,181 --> 02:23:37,830
Do you know who else
the prosecution has called?</font></font>

2544
02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:39,419
Teller, obviously.</font></font>

2545
02:23:40,286 --> 02:23:42,589
- They've asked Lawrence.
- What did he say?</font></font>

2546
02:23:42,589 --> 02:23:45,892
- He wasn't going to
help them, but...
- But?</font></font>

2547
02:23:45,892 --> 02:23:50,930
Strauss told him that
you and Ruth Tolman have been
having an affair for years.</font></font>

2548
02:23:50,930 --> 02:23:53,500
The whole time
you lived with them in Pasadena.</font></font>

2549
02:23:53,500 --> 02:23:57,700
He convinced Lawrence
that Richard died
of a broken heart.</font></font>

2550
02:23:57,700 --> 02:23:59,500
- That's absurd.
- What part?</font></font>

2551
02:23:59,500 --> 02:24:00,740
The broken heart.</font></font>

2552
02:24:00,740 --> 02:24:02,208
Richard never found out.</font></font>

2553
02:24:03,276 --> 02:24:04,778
Is Lawrence gonna testify?</font></font>

2554
02:24:04,778 --> 02:24:06,413
I don't know.</font></font>

2555
02:24:06,413 --> 02:24:11,251
[Garrison] Dr. Rabi,
what governmental positions
do you currently hold?</font></font>

2556
02:24:11,251 --> 02:24:15,422
I am the chairman of
the General Advisory Committee
to the AEC,</font></font>

2557
02:24:15,422 --> 02:24:17,323
succeeding Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2558
02:24:17,323 --> 02:24:19,693
And how long have you known
Dr. Oppenheimer?</font></font>

2559
02:24:20,226 --> 02:24:22,462
Since 1928. I...</font></font>

2560
02:24:22,462 --> 02:24:24,197
I know him quite well.</font></font>

2561
02:24:24,197 --> 02:24:28,635
Well enough to speak to
the bearing of his loyalty
and character?</font></font>

2562
02:24:28,635 --> 02:24:32,672
Dr. Oppenheimer is a man
of upstanding character.</font></font>

2563
02:24:32,672 --> 02:24:36,543
And he is loyal
to the United States,
to his friends,</font></font>

2564
02:24:36,543 --> 02:24:39,212
to the institutions
of which he is part.</font></font>

2565
02:24:40,847 --> 02:24:42,282
Eat.</font></font>

2566
02:24:44,751 --> 02:24:47,187
[door opens]
[footsteps approaching]</font></font>

2567
02:25:00,867 --> 02:25:03,503
- [Oppenheimer] What was that?
- Nothing to worry about.</font></font>

2568
02:25:06,873 --> 02:25:08,575
[Robb]
After the Russian A-bomb test,</i></font></font>

2569
02:25:08,575 --> 02:25:11,211
did Dr. Lawrence come to see you
about the hydrogen bomb?</font></font>

2570
02:25:11,211 --> 02:25:12,946
You'd be better off asking him.</font></font>

2571
02:25:12,946 --> 02:25:15,480
Well, I fully intend to.</font></font>

2572
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:19,252
Would you say that
Dr. Oppenheimer was unalterably
opposed to the H-bomb?</font></font>

2573
02:25:19,252 --> 02:25:22,122
No, he thought
that a fusion program</font></font>

2574
02:25:22,122 --> 02:25:25,191
would come at the expense
of our awfully good
fission program.</font></font>

2575
02:25:25,191 --> 02:25:26,793
But that proved
not to be the case.</font></font>

2576
02:25:26,793 --> 02:25:28,995
In the event,
both could be done.</font></font>

2577
02:25:28,995 --> 02:25:31,798
Suppose that this board
did not feel satisfied that,</font></font>

2578
02:25:31,798 --> 02:25:35,802
in his testimony here,
Dr. Oppenheimer
had been wholly truthful.</font></font>

2579
02:25:35,802 --> 02:25:38,204
What would you say
whether or not
he should be cleared?</font></font>

2580
02:25:38,204 --> 02:25:40,507
Why go through all this
against a man</font></font>

2581
02:25:40,507 --> 02:25:42,809
who has accomplished
what Dr. Oppenheimer has?</font></font>

2582
02:25:42,809 --> 02:25:44,310
Look at his record.</font></font>

2583
02:25:44,310 --> 02:25:46,579
We have an A-bomb
and a whole series of it.</font></font>

2584
02:25:46,579 --> 02:25:48,515
We have a whole series
of Super bombs.</font></font>

2585
02:25:48,515 --> 02:25:51,384
What more do you want?
Mermaids?</font></font>

2586
02:25:51,384 --> 02:25:55,121
[Teller] But I've
known Secretary Strauss
for many years,</i></font></font>

2587
02:25:55,121 --> 02:25:58,758
and I feel it a necessity
to express the warm support</font></font>

2588
02:25:58,758 --> 02:26:01,161
for science and scientists
Lewis has shown.</font></font>

2589
02:26:01,161 --> 02:26:04,130
We'll break now,
unless there's
any immediate business.</font></font>

2590
02:26:04,130 --> 02:26:07,330
[Strauss]
Senator, I'd like to
once again request</font></font>

2591
02:26:07,330 --> 02:26:10,700
that we're furnished
with a list of witnesses.</font></font>

2592
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:11,705
And I will remind the nominee</font></font>

2593
02:26:11,705 --> 02:26:14,474
that we don't always have
that information in advance.</font></font>

2594
02:26:14,474 --> 02:26:17,610
We do know that Dr. Hill
will be here after lunch.</font></font>

2595
02:26:17,610 --> 02:26:20,480
Mr. Chairman,
our next scheduled witness,
Dr. Lawrence,</font></font>

2596
02:26:20,480 --> 02:26:23,583
has apparently
come down with colitis.</font></font>

2597
02:26:26,619 --> 02:26:28,688
So we'll proceed
with William Borden instead.</font></font>

2598
02:26:29,889 --> 02:26:32,559
Mr. Borden, welcome.
Please take a seat.</font></font>

2599
02:26:33,960 --> 02:26:38,765
Mr. Borden,
during your investigation
into Dr. Oppenheimer,</font></font>

2600
02:26:38,765 --> 02:26:41,801
- did you reach
certain conclusions?
- I did.</font></font>

2601
02:26:41,801 --> 02:26:44,337
And did there come a time
when you expressed
those conclusions</font></font>

2602
02:26:44,337 --> 02:26:47,941
in a letter
to Mr. J. Edgar Hoover of the
Federal Bureau of Investigation?</font></font>

2603
02:26:47,941 --> 02:26:50,243
- That is correct.
- Prior to the writing
of the letter,</font></font>

2604
02:26:50,243 --> 02:26:52,746
did you discuss
the writing of the letter
with anybody attached</font></font>

2605
02:26:52,746 --> 02:26:54,547
to the Atomic Energy Commission?</font></font>

2606
02:26:54,547 --> 02:26:56,950
I did not.
[Robb] Do you have a copy
of the letter?</font></font>

2607
02:26:56,950 --> 02:26:58,151
I have one in front of me.</font></font>

2608
02:26:58,151 --> 02:27:00,820
Would you please be so kind
as to read it, sir?</font></font>

2609
02:27:00,820 --> 02:27:03,757
"Dear Mr. Hoover,
the purpose of this letter
is to state--"</font></font>

2610
02:27:03,757 --> 02:27:06,459
[Garrison]
I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
if I could have a--</font></font>

2611
02:27:06,459 --> 02:27:09,929
What is the purpose of
the delay? He's simply
gonna read the letter.</font></font>

2612
02:27:09,929 --> 02:27:13,400
[chuckles] Mr. Chairman,
this is the first I've seen
of this letter,</font></font>

2613
02:27:13,400 --> 02:27:16,200
and I see statements here,
at least one,</font></font>

2614
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:18,905
of a kind that I don't think
anyone would like to see
go into the record.</font></font>

2615
02:27:18,905 --> 02:27:21,641
These are accusations that
have not previously been made.</font></font>

2616
02:27:21,641 --> 02:27:23,610
That are not part of
the indictment from Nichols.</font></font>

2617
02:27:23,610 --> 02:27:25,945
Accusations of a kind
that I don't think belong here.</font></font>

2618
02:27:25,945 --> 02:27:28,810
The witness wrote this letter
on his own initiative,</font></font>

2619
02:27:28,810 --> 02:27:30,583
laying out evidence
that has already been
before the board.</font></font>

2620
02:27:30,583 --> 02:27:32,318
His conclusions
are valid testimony,</font></font>

2621
02:27:32,318 --> 02:27:35,855
just like
the positive conclusions
of friends of Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2622
02:27:35,855 --> 02:27:37,223
It cuts both ways.</font></font>

2623
02:27:37,223 --> 02:27:39,426
How long has counsel
been in possession
of this letter?</font></font>

2624
02:27:39,426 --> 02:27:43,329
I don't think I should be
subject to cross-examination
by you, Mr. Garrison.</font></font>

2625
02:27:43,329 --> 02:27:46,666
[Gray] Mr. Garrison,
given that we on the board
have all read the letter,</font></font>

2626
02:27:46,666 --> 02:27:49,202
wouldn't it be better
to have it in the record?</font></font>

2627
02:27:49,202 --> 02:27:50,904
Let's proceed.</font></font>

2628
02:27:52,605 --> 02:27:54,140
[Borden] "Dear Mr. Hoover,</font></font>

2629
02:27:54,140 --> 02:27:57,243
the purpose of this letter
is to state my opinion</font></font>

2630
02:27:57,243 --> 02:28:01,648
based upon years of study
of the available
classified evidence,</font></font>

2631
02:28:01,648 --> 02:28:03,717
that more probably than not</font></font>

2632
02:28:03,717 --> 02:28:08,655
J. Robert Oppenheimer
is an agent of the Soviet Union.</font></font>

2633
02:28:08,655 --> 02:28:11,570
The following conclusions
are justified.</font></font>

2634
02:28:11,570 --> 02:28:15,395
One, between 1929 and 1942,
more probably than not,</font></font>

2635
02:28:15,395 --> 02:28:19,532
J. Robert Oppenheimer was a
sufficiently hardened communist,</font></font>

2636
02:28:19,532 --> 02:28:22,102
that he volunteered information
to the Soviets.</font></font>

2637
02:28:22,102 --> 02:28:24,237
Two, more probably than not,</font></font>

2638
02:28:24,237 --> 02:28:28,675
he has since been functioning
as an espionage agent.</font></font>

2639
02:28:28,675 --> 02:28:31,144
Three, more probably than not,</font></font>

2640
02:28:31,144 --> 02:28:33,880
he has since acted
under a Soviet directive</font></font>

2641
02:28:33,880 --> 02:28:36,783
in influencing United States
military policy..."</font></font>

2642
02:28:36,783 --> 02:28:39,520
- I'm sorry, Robert.
- ..."atomic energy,
intelligence..."</font></font>

2643
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:44,240
Is anyone ever
going to tell the truth
about what's happening here?</font></font>

2644
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:47,160
[chairman] We will now hear
from Dr. David Hill.</font></font>

2645
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:48,762
[shutters clicking]</font></font>

2646
02:28:53,933 --> 02:28:54,968
[shutter clicks]</font></font>

2647
02:28:57,170 --> 02:29:00,607
Dr. Hill, would you care
to make a statement?</font></font>

2648
02:29:02,275 --> 02:29:03,677
Thank you.</font></font>

2649
02:29:03,677 --> 02:29:07,280
I've been asked to testify
about Lewis Strauss.</font></font>

2650
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:12,752
A man who has given
years of service
in high positions of government</font></font>

2651
02:29:12,752 --> 02:29:17,791
and who is known to be earnest,
hardworking and intelligent.</font></font>

2652
02:29:18,725 --> 02:29:21,161
The views I have to express
are my own,</font></font>

2653
02:29:21,161 --> 02:29:24,300
but I believe that
much I have to say
will help to indicate</font></font>

2654
02:29:24,300 --> 02:29:27,467
why most of the scientists
in this country</font></font>

2655
02:29:27,467 --> 02:29:32,572
would prefer to see Mr. Strauss
completely out of government.</font></font>

2656
02:29:32,572 --> 02:29:34,441
[gallery murmuring]</font></font>

2657
02:29:34,441 --> 02:29:38,445
You're referring
to the hostility
of certain scientists</font></font>

2658
02:29:38,445 --> 02:29:42,482
directed toward Mr. Strauss
because of his commitment
to security,</font></font>

2659
02:29:42,482 --> 02:29:45,518
as demonstrated
in the Oppenheimer affair?</font></font>

2660
02:29:47,854 --> 02:29:49,589
No.</font></font>

2661
02:29:49,589 --> 02:29:54,160
Because of the personal
vindictiveness he demonstrated
against Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2662
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:55,695
[murmuring intensifies]</font></font>

2663
02:29:55,695 --> 02:29:57,864
[chairman] Order.
[gavel rapping]</font></font>

2664
02:29:57,864 --> 02:29:59,599
Order.</font></font>

2665
02:29:59,599 --> 02:30:03,169
It appears to most scientists
around this country</font></font>

2666
02:30:04,204 --> 02:30:07,107
that Robert Oppenheimer
is now being pilloried</font></font>

2667
02:30:07,107 --> 02:30:11,511
and put through an ordeal
because he expressed
his honest opinions.</font></font>

2668
02:30:11,511 --> 02:30:14,848
Dr. Bush, I thought
I was performing
a service to my country</font></font>

2669
02:30:14,848 --> 02:30:16,383
when hearing this case.</font></font>

2670
02:30:16,383 --> 02:30:20,787
No board in this country
should sit in judgment of a man</font></font>

2671
02:30:20,787 --> 02:30:22,922
because he expressed
strong opinions.</font></font>

2672
02:30:22,922 --> 02:30:26,590
If you wanna try that case,
you should try me.</font></font>

2673
02:30:26,590 --> 02:30:29,662
Excuse me, gentlemen,
if I become stirred.</font></font>

2674
02:30:29,662 --> 02:30:31,598
But I am.</font></font>

2675
02:30:31,598 --> 02:30:35,769
Dr. Hill, we've already heard
that Mr. Strauss did not
bring the charges,</font></font>

2676
02:30:35,769 --> 02:30:38,805
or participate in the hearings
against Dr. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2677
02:30:38,805 --> 02:30:43,610
The Oppenheimer matter
was initiated
and carried through</font></font>

2678
02:30:43,610 --> 02:30:46,246
largely through the animus
of Lewis Strauss.</font></font>

2679
02:30:46,246 --> 02:30:47,781
[gallery murmuring]</font></font>

2680
02:30:47,781 --> 02:30:50,583
Oppenheimer made mincemeat
out of Strauss's position</font></font>

2681
02:30:50,583 --> 02:30:52,485
on the shipment of isotopes
to Norway,</font></font>

2682
02:30:52,485 --> 02:30:55,955
and Strauss never forgave him
this public humiliation.</font></font>

2683
02:30:55,955 --> 02:31:00,930
Another controversy
between them centered around
their differences in judgment</font></font>

2684
02:31:00,930 --> 02:31:03,229
on how the H-bomb
would contribute
to national security.</font></font>

2685
02:31:03,229 --> 02:31:05,865
Strauss turned
to the personnel security system</font></font>

2686
02:31:05,865 --> 02:31:09,402
in order to destroy
Oppenheimer's effectiveness.</font></font>

2687
02:31:09,402 --> 02:31:12,372
And Strauss was able
to find a few ambitious men</font></font>

2688
02:31:12,372 --> 02:31:15,241
who also disagreed
with Oppenheimer's positions</font></font>

2689
02:31:15,241 --> 02:31:18,611
and envied him his prestige
in government circles.</font></font>

2690
02:31:18,611 --> 02:31:23,149
I've always assumed,
and still assume, that
he's loyal to the United States.</font></font>

2691
02:31:23,550 --> 02:31:25,385
I believe this.</font></font>

2692
02:31:25,385 --> 02:31:27,854
And I shall believe it
until I see very conclusive
proof to the opposite.</font></font>

2693
02:31:27,854 --> 02:31:32,920
Do you, or do you not,
believe that Dr. Oppenheimer
is a security risk?</font></font>

2694
02:31:35,762 --> 02:31:37,297
In a great number of cases,</font></font>

2695
02:31:37,297 --> 02:31:40,567
I have seen Dr. Oppenheimer
act in a way which was, to me,</font></font>

2696
02:31:40,567 --> 02:31:42,369
exceedingly hard to understand.</font></font>

2697
02:31:42,369 --> 02:31:45,105
I thoroughly disagreed with him
in numerous issues,</font></font>

2698
02:31:45,105 --> 02:31:48,708
and his actions, frankly,
appeared to me confused
and complicated.</font></font>

2699
02:31:48,708 --> 02:31:50,343
To this extent, I feel,</font></font>

2700
02:31:50,343 --> 02:31:53,580
I want to see
the vital interests
of this country</font></font>

2701
02:31:53,580 --> 02:31:55,715
in hands
which I understand better,</font></font>

2702
02:31:55,715 --> 02:31:57,851
and therefore trust more.</font></font>

2703
02:31:58,618 --> 02:32:00,320
- Thank you, Doctor.
- [Robb] Thank you.</font></font>

2704
02:32:04,900 --> 02:32:05,191
I'm sorry.</font></font>

2705
02:32:07,260 --> 02:32:10,230
[Kitty]
You shook his ****ing hand?</i></font></font>

2706
02:32:10,964 --> 02:32:12,932
Oh, I would have
spit in his face.</font></font>

2707
02:32:12,932 --> 02:32:14,934
Not sure the board
would have appreciated that.</font></font>

2708
02:32:14,934 --> 02:32:16,903
Is it not gentlemanly enough
for you?</font></font>

2709
02:32:16,903 --> 02:32:19,639
I think you're all being
too goddamn gentlemanly.</font></font>

2710
02:32:19,639 --> 02:32:21,641
Gray must see
what Robb is doing.</font></font>

2711
02:32:21,641 --> 02:32:23,576
Why doesn't he just
shut him down?</font></font>

2712
02:32:23,576 --> 02:32:26,112
And you shaking Teller's hand.</font></font>

2713
02:32:26,112 --> 02:32:29,783
You need to stop
playing the martyr.</font></font>

2714
02:32:29,783 --> 02:32:35,221
Under the current
AEC guidelines, would you
clear Dr. Oppenheimer today?</font></font>

2715
02:32:40,994 --> 02:32:45,465
Under my interpretation
of the Atomic Energy Act,</font></font>

2716
02:32:45,465 --> 02:32:50,403
which did not exist
when I hired Dr. Oppenheimer
in 1942,</font></font>

2717
02:32:51,404 --> 02:32:57,430
I would not clear him today
if I were on the commission.</font></font>

2718
02:32:57,430 --> 02:32:58,611
[Robb] Good, thank you,
General, that is all.</font></font>

2719
02:32:58,611 --> 02:33:01,414
But I don't think
I'd clear any of those guys.</font></font>

2720
02:33:01,414 --> 02:33:02,682
That's all.</font></font>

2721
02:33:05,318 --> 02:33:07,454
[Garrison] Dr. Oppenheimer
had no responsibility</font></font>

2722
02:33:07,454 --> 02:33:10,323
in the selection
or the clearance
of Klaus Fuchs, did he?</font></font>

2723
02:33:10,323 --> 02:33:11,491
No. None at all.</font></font>

2724
02:33:11,491 --> 02:33:13,326
And you wouldn't want to
leave this board</font></font>

2725
02:33:13,326 --> 02:33:14,994
with any suggestion today</font></font>

2726
02:33:14,994 --> 02:33:17,964
that you're here questioning
his basic loyalty
to the United States</font></font>

2727
02:33:17,964 --> 02:33:19,632
and the operation of Los Alamos.</font></font>

2728
02:33:19,632 --> 02:33:21,434
By no means.</font></font>

2729
02:33:21,434 --> 02:33:24,270
I hope I didn't lead anyone
to believe otherwise
for an instant.</font></font>

2730
02:33:25,372 --> 02:33:26,773
[Gray] Thank you, General.</font></font>

2731
02:33:35,849 --> 02:33:37,851
[door opens]</font></font>

2732
02:33:43,957 --> 02:33:46,292
Okay. We shouldn't
keep them waiting.</font></font>

2733
02:33:46,292 --> 02:33:47,694
She'll be here.</font></font>

2734
02:33:47,694 --> 02:33:49,662
Do you even want her here?</font></font>

2735
02:33:49,662 --> 02:33:51,398
Only a fool or an adolescent</font></font>

2736
02:33:51,398 --> 02:33:53,700
presumes to know
someone else's relationship,</font></font>

2737
02:33:53,700 --> 02:33:55,702
and you're neither, Lloyd.</font></font>

2738
02:33:55,702 --> 02:33:57,404
[door opens]
[footsteps approaching]</font></font>

2739
02:33:58,238 --> 02:34:01,241
Kitty and I, we're grown-ups.</font></font>

2740
02:34:02,108 --> 02:34:04,411
We've walked through fire together.</i></font></font>

2741
02:34:04,411 --> 02:34:06,746
She'll do fine.</font></font>

2742
02:34:06,746 --> 02:34:11,151
[Garrison] Would you describe
your views on communism
as pro, anti, neutral?</font></font>

2743
02:34:11,151 --> 02:34:12,819
[Kitty] Very strongly against.</font></font>

2744
02:34:12,819 --> 02:34:17,190
I've had nothing
to do with communism
since 1936, since...</font></font>

2745
02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:20,160
since before I met Robert.</font></font>

2746
02:34:21,661 --> 02:34:23,897
That's all.</font></font>

2747
02:34:23,897 --> 02:34:25,732
[Hill] The record demonstrates
that Oppenheimer</i></font></font>

2748
02:34:25,732 --> 02:34:29,200
was not interrogated
by impartial
and disinterested counsel</i></font></font>

2749
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,336
for the Gray board.</i></font></font>

2750
02:34:30,336 --> 02:34:32,472
He was interrogated
by a prosecutor</i></font></font>

2751
02:34:32,472 --> 02:34:34,641
who used all the tricks
of a rather ingenious
legal background.</i></font></font>

2752
02:34:34,641 --> 02:34:39,379
You are charging now
that the Gray board
permitted a prosecution.</font></font>

2753
02:34:39,979 --> 02:34:41,848
If I were on the Gray board,</font></font>

2754
02:34:41,848 --> 02:34:45,585
I would have protested
against the tactics
of the man who served, in fact,</font></font>

2755
02:34:45,585 --> 02:34:47,200
as the prosecuting counsel.</font></font>

2756
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:49,155
A man appointed,
not by the board,</font></font>

2757
02:34:50,156 --> 02:34:52,459
but by Lewis Strauss.</font></font>

2758
02:34:52,459 --> 02:34:53,893
[gallery murmuring]</font></font>

2759
02:34:54,394 --> 02:34:55,395
Who was this?</font></font>

2760
02:34:56,863 --> 02:34:58,631
I'm sorry?</font></font>

2761
02:34:58,631 --> 02:34:59,833
[McGee] Who was this?</font></font>

2762
02:34:59,833 --> 02:35:01,301
Uh, Roger Robb.</font></font>

2763
02:35:01,801 --> 02:35:03,303
Mrs. Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2764
02:35:07,474 --> 02:35:10,430
Did you have
a Communist Party
membership card?</font></font>

2765
02:35:11,678 --> 02:35:12,846
I'm--</font></font>

2766
02:35:12,846 --> 02:35:13,913
I'm not sure.</font></font>

2767
02:35:13,913 --> 02:35:15,348
Not sure?</font></font>

2768
02:35:17,884 --> 02:35:19,219
Well--</font></font>

2769
02:35:22,222 --> 02:35:23,256
Well?</font></font>

2770
02:35:32,232 --> 02:35:35,268
I mean, presumably,
the act of joining the Party</font></font>

2771
02:35:35,268 --> 02:35:38,905
required sending some money
and receiving a card, no?</font></font>

2772
02:35:41,641 --> 02:35:42,876
Yeah.</font></font>

2773
02:35:46,446 --> 02:35:48,114
[sighs]</font></font>

2774
02:35:48,682 --> 02:35:50,500
Sorry.</font></font>

2775
02:35:50,850 --> 02:35:52,352
[Robb] Yeah.</font></font>

2776
02:35:53,987 --> 02:35:57,457
It's just it was all
so very long ago,
Mr. Robb, wasn't it?</font></font>

2777
02:35:57,457 --> 02:35:59,225
- Not really.
- Long enough
to have forgotten.</font></font>

2778
02:35:59,225 --> 02:36:00,593
Did you return the card
or rip it up?</font></font>

2779
02:36:00,593 --> 02:36:02,662
The card whose existence
I've forgotten?</font></font>

2780
02:36:02,662 --> 02:36:05,832
- Your Communist Party
membership card.
- Haven't the slightest idea.</font></font>

2781
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:12,639
Can a distinction be made
between Soviet communism
and communism?</font></font>

2782
02:36:12,639 --> 02:36:15,809
In the days when I was a member,
I thought they were
definitely two things.</font></font>

2783
02:36:15,809 --> 02:36:19,112
I thought that
the Communist Party
of the United States</font></font>

2784
02:36:19,112 --> 02:36:21,748
was concerned with
our domestic problems.</font></font>

2785
02:36:21,748 --> 02:36:23,616
I now no longer believe this.</font></font>

2786
02:36:23,616 --> 02:36:25,518
I believe the thing's
linked together
and spread all over the world,</font></font>

2787
02:36:25,518 --> 02:36:29,255
and I have believed this
since I left the Party,
16 years ago.</font></font>

2788
02:36:29,255 --> 02:36:32,592
- But--
- 17 years ago. My mistake.</font></font>

2789
02:36:32,592 --> 02:36:34,127
- But you sai--
- Sorry, 18.</font></font>

2790
02:36:35,428 --> 02:36:37,630
18 years ago.</font></font>

2791
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:40,867
Are you familiar
with the fact your husband
was making contributions</font></font>

2792
02:36:40,867 --> 02:36:43,200
to the Spanish Civil War
as late as 1942?</font></font>

2793
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:45,305
I knew that Robert
gave money from time to time.</font></font>

2794
02:36:45,305 --> 02:36:47,941
Did you know this money
was going into
Communist Party channels?</font></font>

2795
02:36:47,941 --> 02:36:49,843
- Don't you mean "through"?
- Pardon?</font></font>

2796
02:36:49,843 --> 02:36:52,712
I think you mean "through
Communist Party channels,"
don't you?</font></font>

2797
02:36:52,712 --> 02:36:54,447
Yes!
Yes?</font></font>

2798
02:36:54,447 --> 02:36:56,349
- Yes!
- Yes.</font></font>

2799
02:36:56,349 --> 02:36:59,219
Then would it be fair to say
that this meant that by 1942,</font></font>

2800
02:36:59,219 --> 02:37:03,390
your husband had not stopped
having anything to do with
the Communist Party?</font></font>

2801
02:37:03,390 --> 02:37:05,580
You don't have
to answer that yes or no.</font></font>

2802
02:37:05,580 --> 02:37:06,659
You can answer that
any way you wish.</font></font>

2803
02:37:06,659 --> 02:37:08,294
I know that, thank you.</font></font>

2804
02:37:08,294 --> 02:37:10,163
It's your question.</font></font>

2805
02:37:10,163 --> 02:37:11,664
It's not properly phrased.</font></font>

2806
02:37:11,664 --> 02:37:13,400
- Do you understand
what I'm getting at?
- I do.</font></font>

2807
02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:14,968
Then why don't you
answer it that way?</font></font>

2808
02:37:14,968 --> 02:37:16,403
'Cause I don't like your phrase.</font></font>

2809
02:37:16,403 --> 02:37:18,471
"Having anything to do
with the Communist Party."</font></font>

2810
02:37:18,471 --> 02:37:21,541
Because Robert never
had anything to do with
the Communist Party as such.</font></font>

2811
02:37:21,541 --> 02:37:23,877
I know he gave money
to Spanish refugees.</font></font>

2812
02:37:23,877 --> 02:37:27,280
I know he took
an intellectual interest
in communist ideas--</font></font>

2813
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:28,948
Are there two types
of communists?</font></font>

2814
02:37:28,948 --> 02:37:31,985
Intellectual communists
and your plain, old,
regular commie?</font></font>

2815
02:37:31,985 --> 02:37:33,219
[laughs]</font></font>

2816
02:37:33,219 --> 02:37:34,921
Well, I couldn't
answer that one.</font></font>

2817
02:37:34,921 --> 02:37:37,624
[Evans chuckles]
I couldn't either.</font></font>

2818
02:37:44,531 --> 02:37:45,565
Good evening.</font></font>

2819
02:37:45,565 --> 02:37:47,300
Robert,
you can't win this thing.</font></font>

2820
02:37:47,300 --> 02:37:49,402
It's a kangaroo court
with a predetermined outcome.</font></font>

2821
02:37:49,402 --> 02:37:53,606
Why put yourself
through more of it?
I have my reasons.</font></font>

2822
02:37:54,974 --> 02:37:56,142
All right.</font></font>

2823
02:37:56,142 --> 02:37:57,577
Good night.</font></font>

2824
02:37:57,577 --> 02:37:59,450
[car door closes]</font></font>

2825
02:38:02,115 --> 02:38:03,583
He has a point.</font></font>

2826
02:38:04,584 --> 02:38:06,686
I'm not sure you understand, Albert.</font></font>

2827
02:38:06,686 --> 02:38:07,854
No?</font></font>

2828
02:38:07,854 --> 02:38:11,157
I left my country
never to return.</font></font>

2829
02:38:11,891 --> 02:38:13,793
You served
your country well.</font></font>

2830
02:38:13,793 --> 02:38:17,664
If this is the reward
she offers you, then...</font></font>

2831
02:38:17,664 --> 02:38:20,400
perhaps you should
turn your back on her.</font></font>

2832
02:38:21,201 --> 02:38:24,700
Damn it, I happen
to love this country.</font></font>

2833
02:38:24,700 --> 02:38:26,339
Then tell them
to go to hell.</font></font>

2834
02:38:26,339 --> 02:38:27,974
Interestingly enough,</font></font>

2835
02:38:27,974 --> 02:38:30,377
this is no longer
a confirmation hearing,</font></font>

2836
02:38:30,377 --> 02:38:33,480
it's now a trial
about a trial!</font></font>

2837
02:38:34,881 --> 02:38:38,510
It's not good
he's telling everyone
you initiated the hearings.</font></font>

2838
02:38:38,510 --> 02:38:39,953
He can't prove a goddamn thing.</font></font>

2839
02:38:39,953 --> 02:38:43,623
He certainly can't prove
that I gave the file to Borden.</font></font>

2840
02:38:43,623 --> 02:38:46,926
We're not in court, sir.
There's no burden of proof.</font></font>

2841
02:38:46,926 --> 02:38:48,762
Right.
They're not convicting...</font></font>

2842
02:38:49,662 --> 02:38:51,197
just denying.</font></font>

2843
02:38:51,197 --> 02:38:54,367
But why would Hill come here
to tear me down?
What's his angle?</font></font>

2844
02:38:54,367 --> 02:38:57,470
Do people need a reason
to do the right thing?</font></font>

2845
02:38:57,470 --> 02:38:58,872
As he sees it.</font></font>

2846
02:38:58,872 --> 02:39:01,775
I told you, Oppenheimer poisoned
the scientists against me,</font></font>

2847
02:39:01,775 --> 02:39:03,309
right from that first meeting.</font></font>

2848
02:39:03,309 --> 02:39:06,212
I don't know what Oppenheimer
said to him that day,</i></font></font>

2849
02:39:06,212 --> 02:39:09,182
but Einstein
wouldn't even meet my eye.</font></font>

2850
02:39:09,182 --> 02:39:10,750
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

2851
02:39:10,750 --> 02:39:13,453
[Strauss] Oppenheimer knows
how to manipulate his own.</i></font></font>

2852
02:39:13,453 --> 02:39:16,990
And at Los Alamos,
he preyed on the naivete
of scientists</font></font>

2853
02:39:16,990 --> 02:39:19,526
who thought they'd get a say
in how we used their work.</font></font>

2854
02:39:19,526 --> 02:39:22,228
Don't ever think
he was that naive himself.</font></font>

2855
02:39:22,228 --> 02:39:24,164
[Robb] Doctor.</font></font>

2856
02:39:24,164 --> 02:39:29,169
During your work
on the hydrogen bomb, were you
deterred by any moral qualms?</font></font>

2857
02:39:29,803 --> 02:39:31,304
Yes, of course.</font></font>

2858
02:39:31,304 --> 02:39:33,339
But you still got on
with your work,
didn't you?</font></font>

2859
02:39:33,339 --> 02:39:37,143
Yes, because this was
work of exploration. It was not
the preparation of a weapon.</font></font>

2860
02:39:37,143 --> 02:39:39,790
You mean it was more of
an academic excursion?</font></font>

2861
02:39:39,790 --> 02:39:42,282
No, it is not an academic thing
whether you can build
a hydrogen bomb.</font></font>

2862
02:39:42,282 --> 02:39:43,583
It's a matter of life and death.</font></font>

2863
02:39:43,583 --> 02:39:45,418
By 1942,
you were actively pushing</font></font>

2864
02:39:45,418 --> 02:39:47,287
the development
of the hydrogen bomb,
weren't you?</font></font>

2865
02:39:47,287 --> 02:39:50,490
Pushing's not the right word.
Supporting it
and working on it, yes.</font></font>

2866
02:39:50,490 --> 02:39:52,859
So when did these moral qualms
become so strong</font></font>

2867
02:39:52,859 --> 02:39:55,929
that you actively opposed
the development
of the hydrogen bomb?</font></font>

2868
02:39:55,929 --> 02:39:58,798
When it was suggested
that it be the policy
of the United States</font></font>

2869
02:39:58,798 --> 02:40:01,735
to make these things
at all cost, without regard
to the balance</font></font>

2870
02:40:01,735 --> 02:40:05,605
between these weapons
and atomic weapons
as part of our arsenal.</font></font>

2871
02:40:06,740 --> 02:40:08,842
What do moral qualms
have to do with that?</font></font>

2872
02:40:08,842 --> 02:40:12,479
What do moral qualms
have to do with it?
Yes.</font></font>

2873
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:14,614
Oppenheimer wanted to own
the atomic bomb.</font></font>

2874
02:40:14,614 --> 02:40:16,649
He wanted to be the man
who moved the Earth.</font></font>

2875
02:40:16,649 --> 02:40:21,870
He talks about putting
the nuclear genie
back in the bottle.</font></font>

2876
02:40:21,870 --> 02:40:24,758
Well, I'm here to tell you
that I know
J. Robert Oppenheimer,</font></font>

2877
02:40:24,758 --> 02:40:27,994
and if he could do it all over,
he'd do it all the same.</font></font>

2878
02:40:27,994 --> 02:40:32,320
You know he's never once said
that he regrets Hiroshima?</font></font>

2879
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:34,701
He'd do it all over. Why?</font></font>

2880
02:40:34,701 --> 02:40:38,605
Because it made him
the most important man
who ever lived.</font></font>

2881
02:40:38,605 --> 02:40:42,475
[stammering]
Well, we've freely used
the atomic bomb--</font></font>

2882
02:40:42,475 --> 02:40:44,577
[Robb] In fact, Doctor,
you assisted in
selecting the target</font></font>

2883
02:40:44,577 --> 02:40:46,780
to drop the atomic bomb
on Japan, didn't you?</font></font>

2884
02:40:46,780 --> 02:40:48,715
Yes.
[Robb] Then you knew,
did you not,</font></font>

2885
02:40:48,715 --> 02:40:51,170
that by dropping
that atomic bomb
on the target you selected,</font></font>

2886
02:40:51,170 --> 02:40:54,200
that thousands of civilians
would be killed or injured,
is that correct?</font></font>

2887
02:40:54,200 --> 02:40:56,423
Yes, not as many
as turned out--
[feet stamping]</font></font>

2888
02:40:56,423 --> 02:40:59,920
Oh. Well, how many
were killed or injured?</font></font>

2889
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:00,226
70,000.</font></font>

2890
02:41:00,226 --> 02:41:01,795
70,000 at both Hiroshima and--</font></font>

2891
02:41:01,795 --> 02:41:03,463
110,000 at both.</font></font>

2892
02:41:03,463 --> 02:41:05,398
[Robb]
On the day of each bombing?</font></font>

2893
02:41:06,599 --> 02:41:08,835
- Yes.
- And in the weeks and years
that followed?</font></font>

2894
02:41:08,835 --> 02:41:12,305
It has been put at somewhere
between 50,000 and 100,000.</font></font>

2895
02:41:12,305 --> 02:41:14,441
220,000 dead, at least.
[Oppenheimer] Yes.</font></font>

2896
02:41:14,441 --> 02:41:16,343
Any moral scruples about that?</font></font>

2897
02:41:17,911 --> 02:41:19,813
Terrible ones.</font></font>

2898
02:41:19,813 --> 02:41:22,782
Yet you testified in here
that the bombing of Hiroshima
was very successful.</font></font>

2899
02:41:22,782 --> 02:41:25,885
- Technically successful.
- Oh! Technically,
it was very successful.</font></font>

2900
02:41:25,885 --> 02:41:28,254
And it is also alleged
to have helped end the war.</font></font>

2901
02:41:28,254 --> 02:41:31,591
Would you have been supportive
of the dropping of
a hydrogen bomb on Hiroshima?</font></font>

2902
02:41:31,591 --> 02:41:34,160
- That would make
no sense at all.
- Why?</font></font>

2903
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:35,895
[stammering]
The target is too small.</font></font>

2904
02:41:35,895 --> 02:41:38,565
Well, supposing there had been
a target in Japan big enough</font></font>

2905
02:41:38,565 --> 02:41:39,999
for a thermonuclear weapon,</font></font>

2906
02:41:39,999 --> 02:41:41,668
would you have been opposed
to the dropping of it?</font></font>

2907
02:41:41,668 --> 02:41:43,470
This was not a problem
with which I was confronted--</font></font>

2908
02:41:43,470 --> 02:41:45,105
I'm confronting you
with it now, sir.</font></font>

2909
02:41:45,105 --> 02:41:46,806
It was all part of his plan.</font></font>

2910
02:41:46,806 --> 02:41:50,643
He wanted the glorious,
insincere guilt
of the self-important</font></font>

2911
02:41:50,643 --> 02:41:52,512
to wear like a ****ing crown.</font></font>

2912
02:41:52,512 --> 02:41:58,151
Say, "No, we cannot go
down this road,"
even as he knew we'd have to.</font></font>

2913
02:41:58,151 --> 02:42:00,220
Would you have been
opposed to the dropping...
[feet stamping]</font></font>

2914
02:42:00,220 --> 02:42:02,489
...of a thermonuclear weapon
on Japan because of
moral scruples?</font></font>

2915
02:42:02,489 --> 02:42:04,570
Yes, I believe I would, sir.</font></font>

2916
02:42:04,570 --> 02:42:05,592
Did you oppose the dropping</font></font>

2917
02:42:05,592 --> 02:42:07,761
of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima
because of moral scruples?</font></font>

2918
02:42:07,761 --> 02:42:09,763
- We set forth our arg--
- No, you.</font></font>

2919
02:42:09,763 --> 02:42:11,598
- I'm asking you. You!
- I set--</font></font>

2920
02:42:11,598 --> 02:42:13,900
I set forth our arguments
against dropping it,</font></font>

2921
02:42:13,900 --> 02:42:15,935
but I did not endorse them.
[stamping intensifies]</font></font>

2922
02:42:15,935 --> 02:42:18,905
You mean after working
night and day for three years
building the bomb,</font></font>

2923
02:42:18,905 --> 02:42:20,940
you then argued
against the use of it.
[laughs]</font></font>

2924
02:42:20,940 --> 02:42:24,778
I was asked by
the secretary of war what
the views of scientists were.</font></font>

2925
02:42:24,778 --> 02:42:27,130
I gave him the views against
and the views for.</font></font>

2926
02:42:27,130 --> 02:42:29,616
You supported the dropping
of the atom bomb on Japan.</font></font>

2927
02:42:29,616 --> 02:42:32,850
What do you mean, "support"?
[Robb] You supported it.</font></font>

2928
02:42:32,850 --> 02:42:34,721
- You helped pick the target,
didn't you?
- I did my job.</font></font>

2929
02:42:34,721 --> 02:42:37,290
I was not in
a policy-making position
at Los Alamos.</font></font>

2930
02:42:37,290 --> 02:42:39,125
I would have done anything
I was asked to do.</font></font>

2931
02:42:39,125 --> 02:42:41,728
Then you would have built
the H-bomb too, wouldn't you?</font></font>

2932
02:42:41,728 --> 02:42:44,300
- I couldn't.
- I didn't ask you that, Doctor.</font></font>

2933
02:42:44,300 --> 02:42:45,498
And the GAC report,</font></font>

2934
02:42:45,498 --> 02:42:47,901
which you co-authored
after the Soviet atomic test,</font></font>

2935
02:42:47,901 --> 02:42:51,538
- said a Super bomb
should never be built.
- [stamping intensifies]</font></font>

2936
02:42:51,538 --> 02:42:52,906
What we meant--
What I meant was--</font></font>

2937
02:42:52,906 --> 02:42:55,410
- What you? Who? Who?
- What I meant--</font></font>

2938
02:42:56,543 --> 02:42:59,679
And wouldn't
the Russians do anything
to increase their strength?</font></font>

2939
02:42:59,679 --> 02:43:02,182
[stamping stops]
If we did it,
they would have to do it.</font></font>

2940
02:43:02,182 --> 02:43:06,653
Our efforts would only
fuel their efforts, just as
it had with the atomic bomb.</font></font>

2941
02:43:06,653 --> 02:43:10,423
"Just as it had
with the atomic bomb," exactly!</font></font>

2942
02:43:10,423 --> 02:43:14,894
No moral scruples in 1945,
plenty in 1949.</font></font>

2943
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:20,834
[Gray] Dr. Oppenheimer...</font></font>

2944
02:43:22,402 --> 02:43:25,238
when did your strong
moral convictions develop</font></font>

2945
02:43:25,238 --> 02:43:27,440
with respect to
the hydrogen bomb?</font></font>

2946
02:43:34,781 --> 02:43:36,883
When it became clear to me...</font></font>

2947
02:43:38,180 --> 02:43:41,488
that we would tend
to use any weapon we had.</font></font>

2948
02:43:44,900 --> 02:43:46,493
[Strauss]
J. Robert Oppenheimer
the Martyr.</i></font></font>

2949
02:43:46,493 --> 02:43:48,995
I gave him
exactly what he wanted.</font></font>

2950
02:43:48,995 --> 02:43:53,566
To be remembered for Trinity,
not Hiroshima.</font></font>

2951
02:43:54,134 --> 02:43:56,469
Not Nagasaki.</font></font>

2952
02:43:59,205 --> 02:44:01,410
He should be thanking me.</font></font>

2953
02:44:02,420 --> 02:44:03,510
Well, he's not.</font></font>

2954
02:44:06,613 --> 02:44:07,981
Do we still have enough votes,</font></font>

2955
02:44:07,981 --> 02:44:09,983
or is the crowning moment
of my career</font></font>

2956
02:44:09,983 --> 02:44:13,987
about to become
the most public humiliation
of my life?</font></font>

2957
02:44:13,987 --> 02:44:17,757
Full Senate's about to vote.
You'll scrape through.</font></font>

2958
02:44:17,757 --> 02:44:19,492
Great, then gather
the ****ing press.</font></font>

2959
02:44:19,492 --> 02:44:21,461
[Gray]
Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2960
02:44:21,461 --> 02:44:24,531
This board, having heard
testimony from you</font></font>

2961
02:44:24,531 --> 02:44:27,567
and many of your current
and former colleagues,</font></font>

2962
02:44:27,567 --> 02:44:32,105
has come to
the unanimous conclusion
that you are a loyal citizen.</font></font>

2963
02:44:34,740 --> 02:44:39,279
However, in the light
of your continuing associations</font></font>

2964
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:42,916
and disregard
for the security apparatus
of this country,</font></font>

2965
02:44:42,916 --> 02:44:46,553
together with your
somewhat disturbing conduct</font></font>

2966
02:44:46,553 --> 02:44:48,555
on the hydrogen bomb program,</font></font>

2967
02:44:48,555 --> 02:44:50,357
and the regrettable lack
of candor</font></font>

2968
02:44:50,357 --> 02:44:53,326
in certain of your responses
to this board,</font></font>

2969
02:44:53,326 --> 02:44:56,620
we have voted two-to-one</font></font>

2970
02:44:56,620 --> 02:44:59,165
to deny the renewal
of your security clearance.</font></font>

2971
02:44:59,165 --> 02:45:02,202
A full written opinion,
with a dissent from Mr. Evans,</font></font>

2972
02:45:02,202 --> 02:45:05,805
will be issued to the AEC
in the coming days.</font></font>

2973
02:45:05,805 --> 02:45:07,400
That is all.</font></font>

2974
02:45:11,344 --> 02:45:12,979
Gordon.</font></font>

2975
02:45:12,979 --> 02:45:14,681
[indistinct]</font></font>

2976
02:45:17,584 --> 02:45:19,419
[Kitty on phone] Robert.</i></font></font>

2977
02:45:20,530 --> 02:45:21,121
Robert.</i></font></font>

2978
02:45:24,190 --> 02:45:25,658
Don't, uh...</font></font>

2979
02:45:28,294 --> 02:45:29,929
Don't take in the sheets.</font></font>

2980
02:45:31,398 --> 02:45:33,366
[reporters clamoring]</font></font>

2981
02:45:34,434 --> 02:45:37,303
[reporter] Sir.
[Senate aide]
Two minutes. Two minutes.</font></font>

2982
02:45:37,303 --> 02:45:39,205
You'll get your shot.</font></font>

2983
02:45:39,773 --> 02:45:41,674
[clamoring continues]</font></font>

2984
02:45:42,776 --> 02:45:44,144
[Strauss] Is it official?</font></font>

2985
02:45:46,146 --> 02:45:50,150
[Senate aide] Well, there were
a couple of unexpected holdouts.</font></font>

2986
02:45:55,321 --> 02:45:57,957
I'm denied. Yeah?</font></font>

2987
02:45:57,957 --> 02:45:59,959
I'm afraid so, sir.
All right.</font></font>

2988
02:46:07,467 --> 02:46:08,635
Who were the holdouts?</font></font>

2989
02:46:08,635 --> 02:46:11,538
Um... There were three,</font></font>

2990
02:46:11,538 --> 02:46:13,940
led by the junior senator
from Massachusetts.</font></font>

2991
02:46:13,940 --> 02:46:16,109
Young guy trying to make
a name for himself,</font></font>

2992
02:46:16,109 --> 02:46:18,578
didn't like
what you did to Oppenheimer.</font></font>

2993
02:46:18,578 --> 02:46:19,846
What's his name?</font></font>

2994
02:46:20,547 --> 02:46:23,850
Uh, Kennedy. John F. Kennedy.</font></font>

2995
02:46:27,487 --> 02:46:28,855
Kitty?</font></font>

2996
02:46:34,828 --> 02:46:38,365
Did you think
that if you let them
tar and feather you,</font></font>

2997
02:46:38,365 --> 02:46:40,734
that the world
would forgive you?</font></font>

2998
02:46:44,404 --> 02:46:46,390
It won't.</font></font>

2999
02:46:48,274 --> 02:46:49,676
We'll see.</font></font>

3000
02:46:59,486 --> 02:47:01,870
Goddamn it.</font></font>

3001
02:47:02,956 --> 02:47:03,823
[muttering]</font></font>

3002
02:47:03,823 --> 02:47:05,825
You told me I'd be okay.</font></font>

3003
02:47:05,825 --> 02:47:08,328
Yeah, well, I didn't have
all the facts, did I?</font></font>

3004
02:47:08,328 --> 02:47:09,729
Here's a fact.</font></font>

3005
02:47:09,729 --> 02:47:11,631
President Eisenhower
pinned the Medal of Freedom</font></font>

3006
02:47:11,631 --> 02:47:13,366
on my chest last year,</font></font>

3007
02:47:13,366 --> 02:47:15,668
'cause I've always done
what's right for this country.</font></font>

3008
02:47:15,668 --> 02:47:17,971
They don't want me
in the Cabinet room?</font></font>

3009
02:47:17,971 --> 02:47:20,407
Oh, that's-- That's fine.</font></font>

3010
02:47:20,407 --> 02:47:23,109
Maybe they should just invite
Oppenheimer instead.</font></font>

3011
02:47:23,109 --> 02:47:24,911
Maybe they will.</font></font>

3012
02:47:24,911 --> 02:47:28,915
I told you,
he turned the scientists
against me one by one,</font></font>

3013
02:47:28,915 --> 02:47:30,316
starting with Einstein.</font></font>

3014
02:47:30,316 --> 02:47:32,686
I told you about Einstein.
I saw him by the pond.</font></font>

3015
02:47:32,686 --> 02:47:34,421
You did, but you know, sir,</font></font>

3016
02:47:34,421 --> 02:47:37,991
since nobody
really knows what they said
to each other that day,</font></font>

3017
02:47:37,991 --> 02:47:41,695
is it possible they didn't
talk about you at all?</font></font>

3018
02:47:41,695 --> 02:47:44,164
Is it possible
they spoke about something</font></font>

3019
02:47:45,265 --> 02:47:46,633
more important?</font></font>

3020
02:47:46,633 --> 02:47:48,601
[reporter] Mr. Strauss!
[all clamoring]</font></font>

3021
02:47:48,601 --> 02:47:50,303
[camera shutters clicking]</font></font>

3022
02:47:57,477 --> 02:47:59,279
Oh! [chuckles]</font></font>

3023
02:48:01,548 --> 02:48:02,916
Thank you. [chuckles]</font></font>

3024
02:48:02,916 --> 02:48:04,284
Albert.</font></font>

3025
02:48:05,452 --> 02:48:07,454
Ah...
[clears throat]</font></font>

3026
02:48:07,454 --> 02:48:09,155
The man of the moment.</font></font>

3027
02:48:12,992 --> 02:48:16,229
You once held
a reception for me.</font></font>

3028
02:48:16,229 --> 02:48:19,632
In Berkeley.
You gave me an award, mmm?
Yes.</font></font>

3029
02:48:19,632 --> 02:48:24,270
You all thought
that I had lost the ability
to understand</font></font>

3030
02:48:24,270 --> 02:48:26,500
what I'd started.</font></font>

3031
02:48:26,500 --> 02:48:29,709
So, the award
really wasn't for me.</font></font>

3032
02:48:29,709 --> 02:48:32,245
It was for all of you, hmm?</font></font>

3033
02:48:33,813 --> 02:48:36,820
Now it's your turn</font></font>

3034
02:48:36,820 --> 02:48:40,754
to deal with the consequences
of your achievement.</font></font>

3035
02:48:41,654 --> 02:48:43,123
And one day,</font></font>

3036
02:48:43,123 --> 02:48:45,592
when they've
punished you enough...</font></font>

3037
02:48:47,127 --> 02:48:50,997
they'll serve you
salmon and potato salad.</font></font>

3038
02:48:55,335 --> 02:48:56,503
Make speeches...</font></font>

3039
02:48:56,503 --> 02:48:58,304
[no audible dialogue]</font></font>

3040
02:48:58,304 --> 02:48:59,939
...give you a medal.</i></font></font>

3041
02:49:01,708 --> 02:49:03,760
Hello, Frank.</font></font>

3042
02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:04,811
You're happy, I'm happy.</font></font>

3043
02:49:11,584 --> 02:49:14,754
[Einstein] Pat you on the back,
tell you all is forgiven.</i></font></font>

3044
02:49:16,423 --> 02:49:17,657
Just remember...</i></font></font>

3045
02:49:19,159 --> 02:49:21,227
it won't be for you.</i></font></font>

3046
02:49:26,366 --> 02:49:27,867
It'll be for them.</i></font></font>

3047
02:49:41,247 --> 02:49:42,716
Albert.</font></font>

3048
02:49:44,840 --> 02:49:47,420
When I came to you
with those calculations,</font></font>

3049
02:49:47,420 --> 02:49:49,723
we thought we might start
a chain reaction</font></font>

3050
02:49:49,723 --> 02:49:53,393
that would destroy
the entire world?</font></font>

3051
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:57,964
Mmm. I remember it well.
What of it?</font></font>

3052
02:50:01,701 --> 02:50:03,370
I believe we did.</font></font>

3053
02:50:06,473 --> 02:50:08,700
[feet stamping]</font></font>

3054
02:50:15,882 --> 02:50:18,510
[stamping continues]</font></font>