1 00:00:14,481 --> 00:00:16,116 Should be prosecuted. 2 00:00:16,116 --> 00:00:17,650 And then he doubled down on that 3 00:00:17,650 --> 00:00:19,386 just before the election took place. 4 00:00:19,386 --> 00:00:21,388 And then talked about it again last week. 5 00:00:21,388 --> 00:00:23,590 Really extraordinary the circumstances. 6 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:26,292 Remember Hillary Clinton, Secretary Clinton, 7 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:29,596 just recently came out and said the Jim Comey letters 8 00:00:29,596 --> 00:00:31,898 and what he said was one of the reasons 9 00:00:31,898 --> 00:00:33,166 she lost the election. 10 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:35,680 Now we're saying that he's been fired 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,903 for basically those decisions. 12 00:00:36,903 --> 00:00:38,605 I want to read a letter 13 00:00:38,605 --> 00:00:42,542 from President Trump, uh, released just moments ago. 14 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:44,511 "Dear Director Comey, I have received 15 00:00:44,511 --> 00:00:46,446 "the attached letters from the Attorney General 16 00:00:46,446 --> 00:00:48,348 "and the Deputy Attorney General of the United States 17 00:00:48,348 --> 00:00:50,583 "recommending your dismissal as the Director 18 00:00:50,583 --> 00:00:52,585 "of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 19 00:00:52,585 --> 00:00:54,554 "I have accepted their recommendation 20 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:57,123 "and you are hereby terminated and removed 21 00:00:57,123 --> 00:00:59,392 "from office, effective immediately. 22 00:00:59,392 --> 00:01:02,950 "While I greatly appreciate you informing me, 23 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:03,897 "on three separate occasions, 24 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:06,266 "that I am not under investigation, 25 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:08,768 "I nevertheless concur with the judgment 26 00:01:08,768 --> 00:01:10,170 "of the Department of Justice 27 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:13,106 "that you are not able to effectively lead the Bureau. 28 00:01:13,106 --> 00:01:15,275 "It is essential that we find new leadership 29 00:01:15,275 --> 00:01:16,943 for the FBI that restores..." 30 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,446 This is my partner Wa... Partner, Wally Taylor. 31 00:02:59,446 --> 00:03:00,714 Hey. How are you? 32 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:10,957 Hi. 33 00:03:10,957 --> 00:03:12,692 Reality Winner: Hey. 34 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:13,960 Wally Taylor: How are you? 35 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,328 Uh... 36 00:03:16,629 --> 00:03:17,897 Good. H-how are you doing? 37 00:03:17,931 --> 00:03:18,998 Good. 38 00:03:18,998 --> 00:03:20,367 How's your day today? 39 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:24,471 Uh, it's pretty good. Just got some groceries. 40 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:27,540 Alright. 41 00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:34,280 Let's show you who we are. 42 00:03:54,334 --> 00:03:56,336 Okay. Well, the reason we're here today 43 00:03:56,336 --> 00:03:59,500 is that we have a search warrant for your house. 44 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,609 - Okay. - Justin Garrick: Alright. 45 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:04,978 Uh, do you know what this might be about? 46 00:04:06,279 --> 00:04:08,948 I have no idea. 47 00:04:09,282 --> 00:04:10,383 Okay. 48 00:04:10,383 --> 00:04:12,819 This is about, uh, possible mishandling 49 00:04:12,819 --> 00:04:14,688 of classified information. 50 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:16,823 Oh, my goodness. Okay. 51 00:04:16,823 --> 00:04:17,957 Mm-hmm. 52 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:22,529 So what we've got is, uh, again, g-got a warrant. 53 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:23,997 And, uh, 54 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:25,532 I'm happy to show it to you. 55 00:04:25,899 --> 00:04:27,567 What I'd like to do is sit down, 56 00:04:27,567 --> 00:04:30,103 talk you with, uh, talk with you about it. 57 00:04:31,404 --> 00:04:34,700 Kind of go over what, what's going on. 58 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:36,576 Uh, kind of get your, your side of it. 59 00:04:36,576 --> 00:04:38,745 And, of course, you're completely voluntary 60 00:04:38,745 --> 00:04:39,813 to talk to me. 61 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:41,915 Uh, we can talk here 62 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:45,118 or, uh, our office is about five minutes away, 63 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:47,870 uh, if you want to, if you'd rather talk there. 64 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:48,888 Then we can do either one. 65 00:04:48,922 --> 00:04:50,457 It makes no difference to me. 66 00:04:52,559 --> 00:04:54,394 Okay. Do you have any pets? 67 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,997 - I do. I have two pets. - 'Cause you-you've been gone a while. 68 00:04:57,997 --> 00:05:00,166 So do, do we maybe need to let 'em out, 69 00:05:00,166 --> 00:05:02,350 use the bathroom, stuff like that? 70 00:05:02,350 --> 00:05:03,937 I, uh, I-I do. 71 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:06,390 Um, would you mind 72 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:07,974 if I at least get some perishables into the fridge? 73 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:09,109 And we can do that, too. 74 00:05:09,109 --> 00:05:10,744 But what we're gonna have to do is, uh... 75 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:14,481 Do you live by yourself? 76 00:05:15,849 --> 00:05:17,830 Yes. 77 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:18,318 Okay. What we're gonna have to do is 78 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:20,186 we're gonna have to go into the house first, 79 00:05:20,186 --> 00:05:22,322 make sure it's, it's safe. 80 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,692 We have a search warrant, so we-we're, uh, 81 00:05:25,692 --> 00:05:27,360 we're going to. 82 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:30,630 Absolutely. Okay. 83 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:31,498 And what we'll do is 84 00:05:31,498 --> 00:05:33,660 we'll keep you out here until we do that 85 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:35,168 and once we secure it, we'll, uh... 86 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:36,736 then we can kind of go from there, okay? 87 00:05:36,736 --> 00:05:38,104 Of course. 88 00:05:43,576 --> 00:05:45,145 So is your dog friendly? 89 00:05:47,313 --> 00:05:49,616 Okay, well, uh, so... 90 00:05:50,583 --> 00:05:53,520 she doesn't... like men. 91 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,221 - Okay. - So... 92 00:05:55,221 --> 00:05:57,323 - So that's a problem. - Yeah. 93 00:05:57,323 --> 00:06:00,600 - Um, she may come towards you, but... - Okay. 94 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,362 She's never bitten anybody. She's not aggressive. 95 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:04,397 She's just got, you know, a really good growl going. 96 00:06:04,397 --> 00:06:06,599 - Okay. - She'll probably hide under my desk. 97 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:08,568 Do you have a, a leash or... 98 00:06:08,568 --> 00:06:09,703 - I have a leash. - Okay. 99 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:11,271 I can, I can get her leashed up. 100 00:06:12,405 --> 00:06:14,908 So what we might want to do is maybe let you go in there with her. 101 00:06:14,908 --> 00:06:16,109 You're not to touch anything else. 102 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:18,144 You're not to do anything else but get the dog 103 00:06:18,144 --> 00:06:19,346 and bring it out here. 104 00:06:19,346 --> 00:06:21,448 - We cool? We... - Of course. I understand. 105 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:23,683 Because otherwise, if, if we have a problem, 106 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:24,851 we're not gonna do that. 107 00:06:24,851 --> 00:06:26,553 I can move her straight to the backyard. 108 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:27,821 Okay. Okay. 109 00:06:27,821 --> 00:06:29,255 Uh, house key? 110 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:33,760 House key. 111 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:36,620 We also have a warrant to search the car too. 112 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:37,397 Do you have a cell phone? 113 00:06:45,605 --> 00:06:49,242 We'll take that, and we'll, uh, kind of go from there, okay? 114 00:06:49,676 --> 00:06:51,978 Uh, but like he said, we're completely voluntary, 115 00:06:51,978 --> 00:06:53,346 completely up to you on... 116 00:06:53,346 --> 00:06:55,548 But, you know, I think maybe it'd be worth your time... 117 00:06:55,548 --> 00:06:57,350 - No, definitely. - ...to listen, at least for a little bit. 118 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:58,852 - Um, definitely here... - Okay? 119 00:06:58,852 --> 00:06:59,919 And we can kind of figure out 120 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:01,540 what's, what's going on. 121 00:07:01,540 --> 00:07:03,423 - To, uh, comply. - Okay. 122 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,590 Her leash is two feet inside the door 123 00:07:06,590 --> 00:07:07,193 where I left it this morning. 124 00:07:07,193 --> 00:07:09,950 I can move her straight to the backyard. 125 00:07:09,950 --> 00:07:11,131 Are there any weapons in the car? In the house? 126 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,735 - In the house, yes. - What do you have? 127 00:07:18,638 --> 00:07:20,440 I have an AR-15. 128 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:24,611 Is it pink? 129 00:07:26,846 --> 00:07:28,848 - It's pink. - Okay. 130 00:07:28,848 --> 00:07:30,717 How'd you know? 131 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:36,890 Uh, I have a Glock Nine under the bed 132 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:41,194 and a, uh, a 15-gauge. Okay. 133 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:42,996 You sound like my house. 134 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:45,650 Okay, we're good, then. 135 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:46,933 Alright. Just don't make any, 136 00:07:46,933 --> 00:07:49,269 any movements for those and then we're... 137 00:07:50,103 --> 00:07:52,105 Yeah. Yeah. 138 00:07:52,105 --> 00:07:53,473 I mean, we're all cool. 139 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:55,675 Yeah. Yeah. 140 00:07:56,876 --> 00:07:58,645 I mean, kind of obvious. 141 00:07:58,978 --> 00:08:00,513 Yeah. You can put, put... 142 00:08:00,513 --> 00:08:03,216 There's a little fenced-in area where you can put her? 143 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:05,919 Uh, yes, yes. 144 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:07,387 And you won't even take your eyes off me. 145 00:08:07,387 --> 00:08:09,222 And we'll get water and stuff like that. 146 00:08:09,222 --> 00:08:11,891 And this other guy, uh, is with us as well. 147 00:08:11,891 --> 00:08:13,226 And we'll probably have a few more people 148 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:14,728 showing up here directly. 149 00:08:23,703 --> 00:08:25,672 Is that the only pet? 150 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:26,706 There is a cat. 151 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:28,708 She will go straight under the bed. 152 00:08:28,708 --> 00:08:30,343 Okay. 153 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,246 Jen doesn't like men. 154 00:08:33,646 --> 00:08:35,480 Starting to see a trend here. 155 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,250 Yeah. Y'all can come on out. We found her. 156 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:38,885 What's her name? 157 00:08:38,885 --> 00:08:40,787 Uh, Mickey. 158 00:08:40,787 --> 00:08:41,955 Hey, Mickey. 159 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:43,560 Hey there. 160 00:08:47,394 --> 00:08:49,429 She doesn't know what's going on, though. 161 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:58,705 There you go. 162 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,116 You don't have any weapons or anything on you, do you? 163 00:09:10,684 --> 00:09:12,552 - No. - None in the car? 164 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:14,421 Um, in the car? No. 165 00:09:14,421 --> 00:09:16,456 Hey. 166 00:09:17,757 --> 00:09:19,392 Hang on. Hang on, hang on just... 167 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:21,261 Can I close the door for my cat? 168 00:09:23,530 --> 00:09:24,597 Alright. 169 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:31,471 'Cause that-that's all I care about right now. 170 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:38,878 Okay, uh, so the only thing in there now that's alive 171 00:09:38,878 --> 00:09:40,130 is the cat? 172 00:09:40,413 --> 00:09:42,949 Yes. There's not a person? 173 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:45,251 No person. 174 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:47,654 They're on their way? 175 00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:48,955 Yeah, they're pulling up. 176 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:12,345 Why don't we, uh... 177 00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:15,382 Do you want to wait out here with her for a minute? 178 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:16,616 And Joe and I will walk through. 179 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:19,719 Again, just to explain, we have a search warrant. 180 00:10:19,719 --> 00:10:21,870 It's... 181 00:10:21,870 --> 00:10:23,890 I-I understand. It's en route. So... 182 00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:08,201 It's alright. 183 00:11:08,201 --> 00:11:09,936 They're just making sure, uh, just checking to make sure 184 00:11:09,936 --> 00:11:11,705 there's nobody else in there 185 00:11:11,705 --> 00:11:13,740 or nothing... surprise! 186 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:15,642 Surprise us or anything like that. 187 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:17,444 - Yup. - So... 188 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:18,878 I'm gonna make this 189 00:11:18,878 --> 00:11:21,470 as easy as possible for you guys. 190 00:11:21,470 --> 00:11:23,830 Okay. Likewise. 191 00:11:23,830 --> 00:11:24,984 So hopefully explain things, 192 00:11:24,984 --> 00:11:27,654 get to, uh, figure this all out 193 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:29,522 and, uh, wrap it up. 194 00:11:35,829 --> 00:11:37,364 How, uh, 195 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:38,531 how, how old is she? 196 00:11:41,340 --> 00:11:43,360 We don't know. She's one of those. 197 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,904 Oh yeah. Yeah. My, uh, 198 00:11:44,904 --> 00:11:46,539 one of my dogs is a rescue. 199 00:11:47,730 --> 00:11:49,809 And when I got him, he wouldn't, uh... 200 00:11:50,443 --> 00:11:52,612 I was the only guy who could touch him. 201 00:11:52,612 --> 00:11:53,613 Huh? 202 00:11:53,613 --> 00:11:55,181 Anybody else came in the house, 203 00:11:55,181 --> 00:11:59,119 especially male, he'd pee all over the place. 204 00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:00,687 But I could touch him, and it was fine. 205 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:06,893 So whoever had him before was a real, uh, 206 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,620 phew, real piece of work. 207 00:12:09,529 --> 00:12:13,233 Yeah. She was left in a kennel and neglected her whole life. 208 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,704 Why don't we, uh... 209 00:12:17,704 --> 00:12:20,400 Let's get the groceries, throw 'em in the fridge real quick, 210 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,741 then we'll bring you back out here, okay? 211 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,900 Is that... 212 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:12,225 Uh, no, that's it for the perishables. 213 00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:15,662 Should be. 214 00:13:22,268 --> 00:13:24,637 The neighbors. 215 00:13:34,347 --> 00:13:36,850 Alright. If you could just, uh, step over. 216 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:37,884 Just here. 217 00:13:38,385 --> 00:13:40,320 Yeah. Just stop right there. 218 00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:45,425 Look up here. 219 00:13:53,633 --> 00:13:54,701 Just... 220 00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:10,383 There's a cat in the house, in the bed, 221 00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:12,180 - or it's on the bed. - On the bed? 222 00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:14,187 - Or was on the bed. - It's... 223 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:16,523 It-it'll probably go under the bed at some point. 224 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:19,392 The dog is in the backyard in the fence. 225 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:22,729 Does... 226 00:14:25,632 --> 00:14:27,267 does she need water? 227 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:28,435 She'll be fine. 228 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:30,637 She's been inside all day with her water. 229 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:32,939 Okay. 230 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,420 Alrighty. 231 00:14:37,777 --> 00:14:38,712 Alright. 232 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:40,513 So would you like to talk here 233 00:14:40,513 --> 00:14:42,415 or talk, uh, 234 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:43,516 talk at the office? 235 00:14:43,917 --> 00:14:46,860 Uh, we can go ahead and talk here. 236 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:47,754 Do you want to talk here? 237 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,622 - Sure. - Okay. 238 00:14:49,622 --> 00:14:51,391 Uh, let's, uh... 239 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:54,761 I'm trying to think if we have any 240 00:14:54,761 --> 00:14:57,263 private place, uh, there in the house that... 241 00:14:57,263 --> 00:14:58,665 D-do you have anything there in the house 242 00:14:58,665 --> 00:15:00,967 that we can kind of sit that's away... 243 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:04,637 Away? 244 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:13,847 There's one bedroom that's empty. 245 00:15:13,847 --> 00:15:16,149 I don't... 246 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:19,386 I-I don't, I don't really like to go in there... 247 00:15:20,954 --> 00:15:22,522 other than... 248 00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:26,826 I guess I don't really have anything else other than that, 249 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,495 that back room. 250 00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:29,596 That back room? 251 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:35,135 Okay. And it's, uh, it's completely empty? 252 00:15:35,135 --> 00:15:36,369 Yeah. You'll go in there. 253 00:15:36,369 --> 00:15:37,604 There's, uh, 254 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:39,472 there's one dog kennel cage. 255 00:15:40,106 --> 00:15:41,841 Other than that, I don't use it. 256 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:43,910 Okay. Alright. Um, 257 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:47,470 y-y-you said you don't like to go in there. But, uh... 258 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:49,683 Oh, gosh. No, it's just... weird. 259 00:15:49,683 --> 00:15:50,884 It's just creepy. 260 00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:52,118 It's like an addition to the, 261 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,870 the back of the house behind the kitchen, 262 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:56,389 and it's always dirty. 263 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:57,457 Okay. Alright. 264 00:15:57,457 --> 00:15:58,892 We, we can talk back there 265 00:15:58,892 --> 00:16:00,427 if, if you're fine going back there. 266 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:03,697 - It's, uh... - Yeah, we can go back there. 267 00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:07,500 Okay. Alright. There's a, uh, there's a back room there 268 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:09,200 that we can... Kind of like the laundry? 269 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,300 That she'd like to talk in. 270 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:11,671 Yeah, that'll work. 271 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,730 It's too hot out here for... 272 00:16:13,730 --> 00:16:14,240 Oh, well, I can make a pitstop 273 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,430 and take out the AC if you need that. 274 00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:19,846 Well, there's, they've gotta do their thing 275 00:16:19,846 --> 00:16:20,947 for a minute, and then we can go in. 276 00:16:20,947 --> 00:16:21,915 We can go in. 277 00:16:21,915 --> 00:16:23,350 Oh, get the password. 278 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:25,118 Oh, what's the, uh, how do you open this? 279 00:16:25,118 --> 00:16:26,553 - Uh... - Just hang on. 280 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,900 What kind is it? An iPhone? 281 00:16:57,751 --> 00:16:59,850 How long you lived in Augusta? 282 00:17:00,887 --> 00:17:03,590 Uh... I was out here 283 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:07,694 October 2015 to April 2016, 284 00:17:07,994 --> 00:17:11,498 um, TDY, and then moved back this past December. 285 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,533 What do... What do you think of it? 286 00:17:14,334 --> 00:17:16,836 Well, I willingly moved back here as a civilian, 287 00:17:16,836 --> 00:17:18,380 so I guess it must be alright. 288 00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:19,172 Willingly. 289 00:17:19,172 --> 00:17:20,707 You say that, you say that begrudgingly. 290 00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:23,843 Yeah. I, I mean, originally, I... 291 00:17:24,177 --> 00:17:26,980 My big plan is to deploy as a Pashto linguist 292 00:17:27,130 --> 00:17:28,281 and be in Bagram for a bit. 293 00:17:28,281 --> 00:17:30,984 But then they hired me out here for Farsi, so... 294 00:17:30,984 --> 00:17:32,886 Wait, you're-you're Farsi and Pashto? 295 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:34,954 Farsi, Dari, Pashto. 296 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:36,623 Wow! That's... 297 00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:38,491 that's impressive. 298 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:41,928 I can barely, I-I'm barely able to speak English. 299 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:44,531 English is hard. 300 00:17:45,699 --> 00:17:46,900 Hmm. 301 00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:50,337 Uh, but yeah, I noticed that with... 302 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,709 Especially here at Augusta, 303 00:17:55,709 --> 00:17:57,177 it's, uh, it's great for families. 304 00:17:57,177 --> 00:18:00,280 But, uh, single, it's, it's kind of tough. 305 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,500 Like, I can't imagine coming back. 306 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:05,652 What's the, um... 307 00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:08,488 Do you, uh, do you have a password or anything? 308 00:18:08,488 --> 00:18:10,924 - No password. - How do we, how do we do it? 309 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,392 Show me how to do it or tell me how to do it. 310 00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:13,526 Swipe that? 311 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,610 Uh, yeah. 312 00:18:15,610 --> 00:18:16,363 No security? 313 00:18:16,863 --> 00:18:18,131 No security. 314 00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:21,267 You don't have a password or anything that... 315 00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:23,570 No password. Nothing. Just anytime it locks, 316 00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:26,406 - you just press the side there... - Okay. 317 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,942 Until you see the circle and just slide up a bit. 318 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:31,211 Okay, so it... 319 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,615 Did you already show her the warrant? 320 00:18:37,117 --> 00:18:38,451 Uh, no, I haven't. 321 00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:43,957 I was going to. We're going to, we're going to sit down and show it to her. 322 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:00,400 What made you get out of the Air Force? 323 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,460 I, I wanted to deploy. 324 00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:09,349 I mean, I learned Pashto for a reason 325 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:11,685 and those opportunities aren't in the Air Force right now. 326 00:19:11,685 --> 00:19:12,952 Mm. 327 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:14,220 You figure that with that language, 328 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,122 you could just raise your hand and they'd go, 329 00:19:16,122 --> 00:19:17,857 - Right here! - "Yeah, go." 330 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,594 Not even language. 331 00:19:21,928 --> 00:19:23,830 So I imagine people are just crawling for it. 332 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:27,167 Yeah. And I don't have my airborne physical. So... 333 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:30,570 Is your dog okay? 334 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:32,472 - Does it need anything? - She's fine. 335 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:34,908 - She? - Yeah, she's... 336 00:19:34,908 --> 00:19:37,770 If you can tell we're all dog people. 337 00:19:39,546 --> 00:19:41,114 Yeah, I can, I can tell. 338 00:19:46,953 --> 00:19:48,154 Is she destructive at all 339 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:50,900 when she, when you leave her alone? 340 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:52,659 Yeah, she's just a nervous chewer. 341 00:19:55,662 --> 00:19:56,663 Whoa! 342 00:20:13,913 --> 00:20:15,248 Where do you CrossFit at? 343 00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:21,321 Uh, I'm at SEC. 344 00:20:21,955 --> 00:20:25,558 It used to be on, uh, Enterprise Court... 345 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:26,826 - Mm-hmm. - off of Bobby Jones, 346 00:20:26,826 --> 00:20:28,795 and then we moved to Wheeler. 347 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,933 Uh, but my-my friend's reopening the Under Box. 348 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,703 You, you going to go off? 349 00:20:36,703 --> 00:20:38,405 Yeah. I'm just, I'm just waiting for her gym 350 00:20:38,405 --> 00:20:40,730 to open to, to jump ship. 351 00:20:42,208 --> 00:20:43,743 I did it for, like, six months, 352 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:45,450 and I hurt myself. 353 00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:47,914 - Oh. - Just every single day was just pain. 354 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,616 - Yeah. - So, I don't know. 355 00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:51,751 I guess I'm just too old and broken. 356 00:20:56,890 --> 00:20:58,625 Yeah, I always say that I, I don't do CrossFit, 357 00:20:58,625 --> 00:20:59,993 I do competitive powerlifting. Okay. 358 00:20:59,993 --> 00:21:01,895 And then I do CrossFit when it's convenient. 359 00:21:01,895 --> 00:21:03,229 No. Uh-huh. 360 00:21:03,897 --> 00:21:06,366 What's your, uh... 361 00:21:06,366 --> 00:21:07,767 Powerlifting? 362 00:21:09,536 --> 00:21:11,571 What's your, y-your preference on? 363 00:21:11,571 --> 00:21:13,440 What's your favorite stuff? 364 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,876 Oh, I'm just all upper body. 365 00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:18,912 So, bench. 366 00:21:18,912 --> 00:21:20,847 It's kind of sad. I tested my lifts this week 367 00:21:20,847 --> 00:21:22,749 because I have a competition on June 24th, 368 00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:26,720 and my max bench is 180, and then my max back squat... 369 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,555 I have a, I have a back injury, 370 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:30,824 so my max back squat is 195. 371 00:21:30,824 --> 00:21:32,692 - But I don't... - Still! 372 00:21:32,692 --> 00:21:34,940 Still not shabby. 373 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:36,262 No, it should not be that close. 374 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:37,931 How'd you hurt your back? 375 00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:42,350 Uh, doing power cleans. 376 00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:44,771 My, uh, pelvis wasn't rotating, 377 00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:47,374 so I separated that joint. 378 00:21:47,374 --> 00:21:48,975 Sounds painful. Yeah. 379 00:21:49,676 --> 00:21:51,511 I did, um, I was doing box jumps 380 00:21:51,511 --> 00:21:52,912 and this hand just... 381 00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:55,782 I was doing it by myself. It hit the box. 382 00:21:55,782 --> 00:21:59,452 And, I-I mean, I thought I just fractured every bone 383 00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:02,622 in the body, in the, in the hand. 384 00:22:03,189 --> 00:22:05,825 And I went to, I had to go to the doctor to get the x-ray. 385 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:08,528 They said, "So how did you do this?" CrossFit. 386 00:22:08,528 --> 00:22:10,363 Four times they asked me. 387 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,966 I said, "No, I didn't get in a fight. It was CrossFit." 388 00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:17,103 I, I, um, I thought I could see 389 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:19,239 the bone on my shin from that one. 390 00:22:19,239 --> 00:22:20,774 Wow. What was that? 391 00:22:20,774 --> 00:22:23,243 Box jumps. Just missed the box. 392 00:22:23,243 --> 00:22:25,578 That's a moment you really hope, did anybody see that? 393 00:22:25,578 --> 00:22:27,781 I really hope nobody saw that. 394 00:22:44,731 --> 00:22:47,267 So I do have to ask just 395 00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:51,104 however this goes, and I don't want to make any assumptions, 396 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:54,507 but this is going to be a thing where, like, 397 00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:55,975 I brought my phone into the building 398 00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:58,278 and I don't see that phone for three weeks or... 399 00:22:59,145 --> 00:23:01,214 - So, we'll go over the... - So, we have a warrant for the phone. 400 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,515 Yeah, no, and I don't, I don't want to make 401 00:23:02,515 --> 00:23:04,500 any assumptions or anything like that. 402 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:05,185 Just, uh... 403 00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:08,888 I'm, I'm teaching yoga tomorrow, 404 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:10,924 and my phone has the music on it. 405 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:20,934 Okay. 406 00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:25,472 I mean, there are... bigger problems in the world. 407 00:23:25,472 --> 00:23:27,340 So I, I can make do, I guess. 408 00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:31,444 Yeah. And, uh, we'll, we'll talk about that once we sit down. 409 00:23:31,945 --> 00:23:34,681 Is there, uh, do you have just a few chairs? 410 00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:37,217 Like, kitchen table chairs we can pull into that, 411 00:23:37,217 --> 00:23:39,853 that back room or are we gonna be sitting on the floor? 412 00:23:39,853 --> 00:23:41,755 No. Uh... 413 00:23:42,355 --> 00:23:46,893 yeah, if you want to sit. I'm not too big on furniture. 414 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:35,575 Would it be too much to ask if I can get 415 00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,410 the cat on a leash and tied up? 416 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:39,212 Just, um... 417 00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:43,516 I just don't want to be, like, asking someone in the FBI 418 00:24:43,550 --> 00:24:46,786 to keep the front door closed if you guys are doing a search. 419 00:24:46,786 --> 00:24:48,855 I don't see, I don't see an issue. 420 00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:52,125 Uh, uh, where is the cat right now? 421 00:24:52,125 --> 00:24:53,626 - In the bedroom. - Uh, on the bed. 422 00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:54,728 In the bed. 423 00:24:54,728 --> 00:24:57,630 - Okay. - Still in the bed? 424 00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:58,598 Yeah, I think so. 425 00:24:59,199 --> 00:25:01,668 Where... um, just safety's sake, 426 00:25:01,668 --> 00:25:04,400 where are the, uh... there's your weapon and the... 427 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600 The weapon, it's right by the little table 428 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,941 with the lamp right under the bed. 429 00:25:08,441 --> 00:25:09,776 Your cat's under there. 430 00:25:09,776 --> 00:25:12,412 He's under the bed, or she's under the bed. 431 00:25:13,790 --> 00:25:14,814 The AR is in the case in here? 432 00:25:14,814 --> 00:25:15,615 Yes. 433 00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:16,950 Where's the other gun? 434 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:18,585 It's behind it, more against the wall 435 00:25:18,585 --> 00:25:19,652 in the black case. 436 00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:21,254 Can you get your cat? 437 00:25:21,254 --> 00:25:22,989 Do you want to get your cat? Can you... 438 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:24,324 Do you want to get your cat? 439 00:25:24,324 --> 00:25:25,458 Do you want to get your cat? 440 00:25:25,458 --> 00:25:26,760 Just... Get your cat. 441 00:25:55,255 --> 00:25:57,157 Alright. She's good. 442 00:25:57,157 --> 00:25:59,526 (sighs) Okay. Alright. 443 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:01,961 Uh, you wanna go back here? 444 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:04,297 Yeah, you can go ahead and go back in there. 445 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:47,707 This room is dirty. I'm so sorry. 446 00:27:01,354 --> 00:27:02,689 Alrighty. 447 00:27:04,657 --> 00:27:07,527 So, uh, again, my name is Justin. 448 00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:09,996 You probably don't re-remember any idea of who I am. 449 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:13,330 So, Justin Garrick with the FBI. 450 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,869 Uh, this is Wally. He's my partner. 451 00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:18,204 Um, so what I want to do is kind of explain 452 00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:20,306 that, you know, we do have a search warrant. 453 00:27:20,974 --> 00:27:22,375 Uh, you're welcome to see the warrant. 454 00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:23,777 You're welcome to read the warrant. 455 00:27:23,777 --> 00:27:25,445 And then explain a little bit about it. 456 00:27:25,445 --> 00:27:28,415 Now, if you're willing to talk to me, 457 00:27:28,915 --> 00:27:31,718 I'd like to kind of go through just how this started 458 00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:34,154 and, you know, give your, your side of it. 459 00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:36,220 We'll figure out what's going on here. 460 00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:39,250 Does that sound, uh, sound good to you? 461 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:42,562 Okay. 462 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,165 Okay? 463 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,702 Yes. 464 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:51,905 Now I'm gonna take, uh... 465 00:27:53,473 --> 00:27:54,474 Right here. 466 00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:57,177 I'm gonna take, uh, notes, 467 00:27:57,811 --> 00:27:59,512 uh, just random basis. 468 00:27:59,512 --> 00:28:00,580 You gotta take notes. 469 00:28:05,352 --> 00:28:06,619 Now, do you need water or anything? 470 00:28:06,619 --> 00:28:08,321 Ar-are you thirsty? 471 00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:13,260 You're what? If you need water, shout it out. 472 00:28:14,894 --> 00:28:18,980 Uh... okay. I'll let you know. Thanks. 473 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:20,400 Are you thirsty? 474 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,868 Uh, not right now. 475 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,570 Okay. Alright. 476 00:28:25,805 --> 00:28:27,273 Um, if you need to use the restroom, 477 00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:28,308 any of that, let me know. 478 00:28:28,308 --> 00:28:30,477 It's not a big deal. Okay? 479 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:33,480 Okay. So currently, you're employed 480 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,182 as a contract, uh, linguist 481 00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,218 with Pluribus? 482 00:28:38,818 --> 00:28:39,819 Yes. 483 00:28:39,819 --> 00:28:42,550 I'm sorry, what languages you said? 484 00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:43,223 Um, I-I heard... 485 00:28:43,223 --> 00:28:45,191 Uh, Farsi, Dari, Pashto. 486 00:28:49,229 --> 00:28:50,463 Okay. 487 00:28:50,463 --> 00:28:51,931 Any other? 488 00:28:54,968 --> 00:28:57,303 No. 489 00:28:58,405 --> 00:28:59,673 I think that's enough. 490 00:29:00,974 --> 00:29:02,509 That's really impressive. 491 00:29:02,509 --> 00:29:05,178 Uh, and you live here, uh, sorry, by yourself? 492 00:29:06,646 --> 00:29:08,982 Yes. Okay. 493 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:12,852 It's really hard without a table and chairs. 494 00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:17,230 - I-I'm so sorry. - It's... 495 00:29:17,657 --> 00:29:19,793 You don't have to apol... It's your house. 496 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:22,729 Um, if you do feel like, you know, 497 00:29:22,729 --> 00:29:24,764 you want to sit or anything, we'll sit. 498 00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:26,499 Okay? I mean, if you sit on the floor, 499 00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:27,767 I'll sit on the floor, I don't care. 500 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:29,169 Hmm? Mm-hmm. 501 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:31,738 Okay. 502 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,507 Um, and I'm serious about that. 503 00:29:34,507 --> 00:29:35,508 If you want to sit, please. 504 00:29:35,508 --> 00:29:37,430 I'll, I'll sit down too. 505 00:29:39,145 --> 00:29:40,513 Okay. 506 00:29:40,513 --> 00:29:42,215 Um, so, again. 507 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,840 We have a warrant, 508 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,518 and it's... do you... 509 00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:47,253 Would you like to see it? 510 00:29:48,355 --> 00:29:50,690 Yes, please. Okay. 511 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:54,627 That just gave us the authority to search 512 00:29:54,627 --> 00:29:56,663 the residence, the car, and then you. 513 00:30:05,472 --> 00:30:08,308 125 pounds. You guys flatter me. 514 00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:13,179 Sorry, I have a sense of humor. 515 00:30:13,179 --> 00:30:15,915 That was on your driver's license. That's right. 516 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:19,352 Okay, well, I lied. 517 00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:21,955 Don't we all? 518 00:30:23,957 --> 00:30:26,393 Attachment "B" just explains the property 519 00:30:26,393 --> 00:30:28,461 that we're authorized to search for and seize. 520 00:30:28,461 --> 00:30:30,163 Any questions about any of that? 521 00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:33,266 Um... 522 00:30:36,136 --> 00:30:37,170 No. 523 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:38,371 Okay. 524 00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:40,874 We'll just leave a copy of that for you. 525 00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:43,900 Yeah, we'll leave a copy. 526 00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:21,448 Uh, my, uh, question is, 527 00:31:21,448 --> 00:31:23,850 does that ring any bells to you whatsoever? 528 00:31:30,523 --> 00:31:33,626 It-it does now. Um... 529 00:31:33,626 --> 00:31:36,563 When I started working at White Law, I... 530 00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:40,500 Do you guys know PKI passwords? Mm-hmm. 531 00:31:40,934 --> 00:31:44,537 So I had a printed-out email, and I put it in a folder. 532 00:31:44,537 --> 00:31:47,107 I didn't have a desk yet, so I, I took it with me 533 00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:49,709 and passed through security and went to Starbucks. 534 00:31:49,709 --> 00:31:53,446 And when I came back, they searched through it. 535 00:31:53,446 --> 00:31:54,948 And unfortunately, 536 00:31:54,948 --> 00:31:57,584 the email I had printed out was classified, 537 00:31:57,584 --> 00:31:59,452 and, uh, they, they filed a report for that. 538 00:31:59,452 --> 00:32:00,787 Okay. Alright. 539 00:32:00,787 --> 00:32:02,455 And, uh, what's your work role there 540 00:32:02,455 --> 00:32:03,556 at, at White Law? 541 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:08,280 Currently, I translate graphics documents, and, um... 542 00:32:09,729 --> 00:32:11,831 Yeah, that's all I do. Okay. 543 00:32:12,265 --> 00:32:13,566 From Farsi to English. 544 00:32:14,401 --> 00:32:17,604 So you're assigned to a specific section, 545 00:32:17,604 --> 00:32:18,938 I guess, or group? Yes. 546 00:32:22,108 --> 00:32:24,678 Have you been assigned there your entire time there? 547 00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:26,613 Yes, since February. 548 00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:29,149 Okay. 549 00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:30,517 Uh, is there any other issues 550 00:32:30,517 --> 00:32:32,452 or anything you're aware of that might explain 551 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,220 why that report was generated? 552 00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:37,390 Like, ah, maybe this, maybe that. 553 00:32:38,358 --> 00:32:39,592 No. 554 00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:42,950 No. Okay. 555 00:32:42,595 --> 00:32:46,266 Um, so you currently hold Top Secret/SCI clearance? 556 00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:47,600 Yes. 557 00:32:48,768 --> 00:32:51,404 How long have you had that? 558 00:32:51,404 --> 00:32:56,176 Uh, I would say since January 2013. 559 00:32:56,509 --> 00:32:58,745 While you were in the Air Force? Yes. 560 00:32:59,979 --> 00:33:01,481 So you kept it through... 561 00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:04,984 through the... 562 00:33:05,719 --> 00:33:06,820 Did you... 563 00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:10,924 I guess when you left the Air Force, you kept the... 564 00:33:10,924 --> 00:33:11,991 When did you lea... 565 00:33:12,592 --> 00:33:14,728 When did you process out of the Air Force? 566 00:33:14,728 --> 00:33:17,230 Uh, I processed out of the Air Force, 567 00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:19,366 um, December, 568 00:33:19,366 --> 00:33:23,403 uh, December 14th, um, 2016. 569 00:33:23,403 --> 00:33:25,905 And up until that time, I was looking for contracts 570 00:33:25,905 --> 00:33:27,807 to try and get my clearance renewed. 571 00:33:27,807 --> 00:33:30,310 So your, uh, clearance just kind of passed through? 572 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:32,120 It passed through. Yeah. 573 00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:35,949 Okay. Alright. 574 00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:39,819 Um, so, again, as far as you're aware, 575 00:33:39,819 --> 00:33:42,155 you haven't committed any security violations 576 00:33:42,155 --> 00:33:43,523 or anything you're aware of 577 00:33:43,523 --> 00:33:45,392 other than this, this 578 00:33:45,392 --> 00:33:47,460 PKI thing? 579 00:33:47,494 --> 00:33:50,797 Other than the PKI thing, no. 580 00:33:58,238 --> 00:33:59,506 I mean... 581 00:34:00,907 --> 00:34:04,711 I-I do print out documents at work 582 00:34:04,711 --> 00:34:08,281 because it's easier for me to translate them by hand. 583 00:34:08,281 --> 00:34:10,717 Hmm. But then I put them in the box, 584 00:34:10,717 --> 00:34:12,419 and then I don't get it mixed up 585 00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:14,387 with, like, my, my classified notes 586 00:34:14,387 --> 00:34:15,855 because they, uh... 587 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,600 I use pretty paper. 588 00:34:20,694 --> 00:34:22,896 So I don't take out white paper. 589 00:34:24,864 --> 00:34:26,800 Mm. Got it. 590 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,802 An-and I know it sounds really dumb, 591 00:34:28,802 --> 00:34:32,505 but it's just, uh, it's how I can do it now. 592 00:34:32,972 --> 00:34:36,420 And after this stupid PKI thing, I was like, 593 00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:38,845 no more white paper out of the building. 594 00:34:38,845 --> 00:34:41,881 You, you said you printed out stuff. 595 00:34:41,881 --> 00:34:43,249 Yeah, I printed out... 596 00:34:43,249 --> 00:34:44,751 Is there a, a... 597 00:34:44,751 --> 00:34:47,687 why did that come to mind as far as security? 598 00:34:51,624 --> 00:34:52,892 I guess 599 00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:55,995 I'm, um, just trying to think about 600 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:58,331 actual paper. 601 00:34:58,932 --> 00:35:00,967 Um, I can't imagine any other way 602 00:35:00,967 --> 00:35:03,636 to get things out of the building, I guess. 603 00:35:03,937 --> 00:35:07,607 I mean, I-I'm old fashioned, so thinking about that. 604 00:35:07,607 --> 00:35:11,678 And just with this PKI thing, 605 00:35:11,678 --> 00:35:13,380 just making sure I don't accidentally have anything 606 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,914 in my lunch box or anything like... 607 00:35:14,914 --> 00:35:16,750 Nothing got out of the building? Nothing. 608 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:18,585 You didn't carry anything out of the building? 609 00:35:18,585 --> 00:35:21,788 No. No. And I definitely let everything get searched all the time. 610 00:35:21,788 --> 00:35:24,391 So I haven't had any other accidents. 611 00:35:27,227 --> 00:35:28,795 Do you work on any other matters? 612 00:35:29,229 --> 00:35:30,130 No. 613 00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:31,464 Okay. 614 00:35:32,665 --> 00:35:35,769 Have you ever inadvertently, either by accident 615 00:35:35,769 --> 00:35:37,937 or, or intentionally or whatever, 616 00:35:37,937 --> 00:35:41,808 uh, gone outside your need to know on items? 617 00:35:42,342 --> 00:35:45,679 Outside my need to know on items? 618 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:46,813 Um... 619 00:35:48,248 --> 00:35:50,417 I do from time to time 620 00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:52,452 look at a website called My Online. 621 00:35:52,852 --> 00:35:55,789 It's, uh, drone feeds. Okay. 622 00:35:59,392 --> 00:36:02,395 But other than that, just, uh... 623 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:06,320 reading basic news articles on NSA Net. 624 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,201 But I've never accessed anything that's outside of... 625 00:36:08,201 --> 00:36:11,338 Okay. Have you ever gone searching for stuff 626 00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:14,507 that's not related to your, uh, your work role? 627 00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:15,642 No. 628 00:36:16,209 --> 00:36:17,577 Okay. 629 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,140 You kind of already answered this. 630 00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:25,251 But outside of the PKI, have you ever taken anything 631 00:36:25,251 --> 00:36:28,880 outside of the, uh, uh, the NSA facility? 632 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,823 No. No? 633 00:36:29,823 --> 00:36:32,492 Uh, have you downloaded anything? Emailed anything out? 634 00:36:32,492 --> 00:36:34,861 No. No? Okay. 635 00:36:34,861 --> 00:36:37,530 Have you ever discussed, uh, any classified material 636 00:36:37,530 --> 00:36:38,765 with anybody who wouldn't have 637 00:36:38,765 --> 00:36:41,340 the, uh, prior US government authorization? 638 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:42,902 Who wouldn't have the clearance or anything like that? 639 00:36:42,902 --> 00:36:45,710 Who wouldn't have the clearance and the need to know? 640 00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:46,473 No. 641 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:49,576 No? Okay. 642 00:36:53,279 --> 00:36:55,782 so, uh... I lucked out. 643 00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:58,251 So you never discussed, uh, discussed work 644 00:36:58,251 --> 00:37:00,860 or anything classified with anybody? 645 00:37:02,756 --> 00:37:03,790 Uh-uh. 646 00:37:06,626 --> 00:37:08,940 How's the neighborhood? 647 00:37:11,931 --> 00:37:14,534 I, I did not look at a map when I signed the lease. 648 00:37:14,534 --> 00:37:17,570 But I am well armed. 649 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:19,506 You seem to be. 650 00:37:19,506 --> 00:37:20,940 What's your plans? 651 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,242 You gonna stay in the house 652 00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:23,376 or you gonna move somewhere else or... 653 00:37:23,376 --> 00:37:25,245 Di-did you sign a lease, I guess? 654 00:37:25,245 --> 00:37:27,414 I signed a lease, and I would only break it 655 00:37:27,414 --> 00:37:28,415 if I get a deployment. 656 00:37:28,415 --> 00:37:29,616 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 657 00:37:30,116 --> 00:37:33,253 Have you had any issues here since you moved here? 658 00:37:33,253 --> 00:37:34,954 I did, yeah. 659 00:37:34,954 --> 00:37:36,890 What happened? 660 00:37:36,656 --> 00:37:40,527 I was coming home from a concert in Atlanta and it was 3:00 a.m., 661 00:37:40,527 --> 00:37:45,365 and, uh, there was a, a guy standing on the street. 662 00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:47,967 And I wanted to make sure that he didn't see me go 663 00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:49,402 from like my car to my, my door. 664 00:37:49,402 --> 00:37:51,370 And I thought I'd timed it out well. 665 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:53,440 But then I was standing at the sink getting water 666 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,842 and then someone starts knocking at the door and I was like... 667 00:37:57,677 --> 00:37:59,946 Do you have a toothpick? Huh? 668 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,421 Uh, it's, uh, 3:00 a.m., 669 00:38:08,421 --> 00:38:11,758 and, uh, my-my-my keys and my phone were by the door 670 00:38:11,758 --> 00:38:13,360 'cause that's where I dropped them, 671 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,610 'cause I had to pee, so, uh, 672 00:38:15,895 --> 00:38:18,565 very glad to have a, a Glock Nine in the back. 673 00:38:18,565 --> 00:38:19,899 Oh, yeah. 674 00:38:19,899 --> 00:38:20,800 Did not sleep. 675 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,102 I'm sure. 676 00:38:23,603 --> 00:38:25,338 Anything other than that? 677 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,476 Other than that? Um... 678 00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:32,412 There's this... 679 00:38:32,946 --> 00:38:36,649 People always ask if you want your lawn done. 680 00:38:36,649 --> 00:38:39,285 And, uh, someone came and mowed my lawn 681 00:38:39,285 --> 00:38:40,754 while I was in Belize last week, 682 00:38:40,754 --> 00:38:43,189 so, uh, not really cool with that. 683 00:38:43,189 --> 00:38:44,958 - I imagine not. - Yeah. 684 00:38:44,958 --> 00:38:46,192 They're probably gonna come by, 685 00:38:46,192 --> 00:38:47,627 knock on the door, and ask for compensation. 686 00:38:47,627 --> 00:38:49,290 Yeah. 687 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:50,230 I mean, if it's the same guy 688 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:51,398 I paid last time, 689 00:38:51,398 --> 00:38:53,266 he's like this little old man, 690 00:38:53,266 --> 00:38:56,690 like, in his 80s, so I won't really be mad. 691 00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:58,138 - But... - When, uh, 692 00:38:58,138 --> 00:38:59,973 when did you go to Belize? 693 00:39:01,541 --> 00:39:05,780 I left on Saturday morning and flew back 694 00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:06,646 Monday morning, uh, 695 00:39:07,414 --> 00:39:08,682 last weekend. 696 00:39:10,183 --> 00:39:11,418 That was a quick trip to Belize. 697 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,622 It was a quick trip. 698 00:39:16,156 --> 00:39:17,557 What you go down there for? 699 00:39:17,557 --> 00:39:20,994 I wanted to see the Mayan pyramids. 700 00:39:20,994 --> 00:39:22,950 Okay. 701 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:23,697 So, yeah. 702 00:39:23,697 --> 00:39:25,498 That's pretty cool. 703 00:39:25,498 --> 00:39:27,330 I-I didn't have any leave, 704 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:30,537 so I was tired of waiting for the stars to align. 705 00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:32,572 So I just said... Sure. 706 00:39:32,572 --> 00:39:34,207 Got three days, let's do it. 707 00:39:34,207 --> 00:39:35,508 That's cool. Fair enough. 708 00:39:35,508 --> 00:39:37,610 Spur of the moment, that's pretty cool. 709 00:39:38,578 --> 00:39:40,613 Did you go down there by yourself or... 710 00:39:41,281 --> 00:39:43,450 Yeah, by myself. 711 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:45,218 Okay. Did you 712 00:39:45,218 --> 00:39:47,387 do any tours or anything down there? 713 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:49,550 I did. 714 00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:51,191 Um, I... 715 00:39:51,191 --> 00:39:53,326 The, the first day, I went on, like, 716 00:39:53,326 --> 00:39:55,562 a Altun Ha tour. 717 00:39:55,562 --> 00:39:58,131 Uh... that was one of the first sites. 718 00:39:58,164 --> 00:40:01,134 And then the second day, we did, um, 719 00:40:01,134 --> 00:40:03,136 uh, we took a boat on a river 720 00:40:03,136 --> 00:40:04,604 down to the Lamanai pyramids. 721 00:40:04,604 --> 00:40:06,390 And then we came back and... 722 00:40:07,841 --> 00:40:09,900 Yeah. 723 00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,112 - Okay. - Mm-hmm. 724 00:40:12,979 --> 00:40:14,781 Saw a bunch of monkeys. 725 00:40:15,949 --> 00:40:19,319 So you're positive you've never printed anything out 726 00:40:19,319 --> 00:40:21,454 that was outside of your work role? 727 00:40:25,892 --> 00:40:27,727 Uh, I'm trying to think. 728 00:40:27,727 --> 00:40:28,862 Um... 729 00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:30,964 uh... 730 00:40:30,964 --> 00:40:33,900 because there's, um, there's, 731 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,368 there's NSA Pulse, 732 00:40:35,368 --> 00:40:38,772 and, uh, from time to time, I, I do print out articles 733 00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:42,475 from that and use as scratch paper. 734 00:40:42,475 --> 00:40:45,311 Uh, th-that sounds really dumb. 735 00:40:45,311 --> 00:40:47,547 Uh, (laughs) now that I'm thinking about it, 736 00:40:47,547 --> 00:40:50,483 the things that I, I did were r-r-r-really dumb, uh. 737 00:40:50,483 --> 00:40:52,852 But then, I always threw it out in the burn bin. 738 00:40:52,852 --> 00:40:54,870 Okay. 739 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:56,220 What kind of articles from Pulse do you pull out? 740 00:40:57,524 --> 00:40:59,859 Uh, usually reference material about, like... 741 00:41:01,294 --> 00:41:03,596 uh, just making sure, like, so many references 742 00:41:03,596 --> 00:41:05,632 that I keep having to re-look up, 743 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:09,502 so that's probably a fraud, waste, and abuse right there. 744 00:41:09,502 --> 00:41:12,500 We're not worried about fraud, waste, and abuse. 745 00:41:12,906 --> 00:41:13,973 Okay. 746 00:41:13,973 --> 00:41:15,108 No. 747 00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:19,546 I use a lot of papers, 748 00:41:23,516 --> 00:41:26,152 other than that, and never outside of the building. 749 00:41:26,152 --> 00:41:27,354 Okay. 750 00:41:27,921 --> 00:41:29,220 Reality, 751 00:41:29,756 --> 00:41:31,791 what if I said that I have the information 752 00:41:31,791 --> 00:41:33,560 to suggest that you did print out stuff 753 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,428 that was outside of that scope? 754 00:41:38,998 --> 00:41:40,767 I mean, I would... 755 00:41:41,601 --> 00:41:43,300 I would try to remember. 756 00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:45,305 Okay. 757 00:41:45,305 --> 00:41:46,439 What if I said 758 00:41:46,439 --> 00:41:49,420 that you printed out information 759 00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:51,144 related to, uh, reports on... 760 00:41:58,885 --> 00:41:59,919 Reality? 761 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:02,355 Uh... 762 00:42:02,355 --> 00:42:04,424 we obviously know a lot more than, 763 00:42:04,424 --> 00:42:06,359 than what we're telling you at this point. 764 00:42:07,727 --> 00:42:09,462 And I think, I think you know a lot more 765 00:42:09,462 --> 00:42:11,264 than what you're telling us at this point. 766 00:42:11,965 --> 00:42:14,334 I don't want you to go down the wrong road. 767 00:42:14,334 --> 00:42:16,770 I think you need to, to stop 768 00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:19,372 and think about what you're saying 769 00:42:19,372 --> 00:42:20,707 and what you're doing. 770 00:42:21,374 --> 00:42:24,100 I think it-it-it's an, an opportunity 771 00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:25,245 to maybe tell the truth. 772 00:42:25,245 --> 00:42:27,380 Because t-telling a, 773 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:30,550 telling a lie to an FBI agent 774 00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:32,419 is not going to be the right thing. 775 00:42:33,186 --> 00:42:34,870 Okay? 776 00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:36,623 Uh, you know, uh, again, 777 00:42:37,424 --> 00:42:39,626 we're here voluntarily. 778 00:42:39,626 --> 00:42:42,495 You're talking voluntarily. 779 00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:46,199 I'm not asking you, forcing you to do anything 780 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:47,500 but think. 781 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:50,837 That-that-that's what I'm asking you to do is think. 782 00:42:52,272 --> 00:42:54,700 So... 783 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,209 think about what he just asked you 784 00:42:56,543 --> 00:42:57,844 and let, you know... 785 00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:10,490 There's one I, uh, printed out 786 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:12,580 because I wanted to read it. 787 00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:19,532 Can you remember what day that was? 788 00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:23,403 I might mess up the dates, but, um... 789 00:43:24,504 --> 00:43:27,741 late, late March, early, uh... 790 00:43:28,842 --> 00:43:31,110 early April. And what was it? 791 00:43:32,746 --> 00:43:34,714 It was an NSA Pulse article about... 792 00:43:39,252 --> 00:43:41,654 Okay. And, uh... 793 00:43:42,956 --> 00:43:44,290 I did print that one out. 794 00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:48,940 Okay. 795 00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:51,310 Why... 796 00:43:51,531 --> 00:43:52,966 Why did you print that one out? 797 00:43:54,567 --> 00:43:57,137 Um, because I wanted to read it. 798 00:43:57,137 --> 00:44:00,206 Uh, the way I, I downloaded it, it was hard to read, 799 00:44:00,206 --> 00:44:01,841 so, um... 800 00:44:01,841 --> 00:44:03,743 uh, just, 801 00:44:03,743 --> 00:44:06,246 it looked like a, a piece of history, you know? 802 00:44:06,246 --> 00:44:08,715 And I, I wanted it on my desk for, like, a day. 803 00:44:09,816 --> 00:44:11,718 Did you, uh... H-how did you find it? 804 00:44:13,386 --> 00:44:15,388 Uh, so if you go on Pulse, 805 00:44:15,388 --> 00:44:17,524 there's a... 806 00:44:17,524 --> 00:44:20,260 uh, the top right, they have a tab 807 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:23,229 that says "articles," and I, I scroll through those. 808 00:44:23,263 --> 00:44:25,365 Uh... 809 00:44:25,365 --> 00:44:26,466 I don't know if you guys saw the one 810 00:44:26,466 --> 00:44:28,535 about the miniature ponies, but... 811 00:44:28,535 --> 00:44:29,903 We missed that one. Yeah. 812 00:44:29,903 --> 00:44:31,104 No, that was, 813 00:44:31,137 --> 00:44:32,439 uh, that was number one for, like, a year, 814 00:44:32,439 --> 00:44:34,341 so obviously I go to check to see 815 00:44:34,341 --> 00:44:35,508 if there's any other gems. 816 00:44:35,508 --> 00:44:37,610 And then there was, there was that one, 817 00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:40,714 and I saw it on the news and I was just like, 818 00:44:40,714 --> 00:44:43,483 yeah, I, uh, I wanted to read it. 819 00:44:44,317 --> 00:44:45,752 So, yeah. 820 00:44:46,286 --> 00:44:47,954 - Okay. - What did you do with the article? 821 00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:51,758 I kept it on my desk for, like, three days. 822 00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:58,498 I'm going to be honest. 823 00:45:01,735 --> 00:45:03,737 I only read, like, half of it. 824 00:45:04,571 --> 00:45:06,606 It was the stupidest thing ever. 825 00:45:06,606 --> 00:45:08,375 Uh, and then, and then I burned bagged it 826 00:45:08,375 --> 00:45:11,440 in the box with the slat, uh, next to the fridge. 827 00:45:11,644 --> 00:45:14,748 Okay. Uh, did you print out any other articles? 828 00:45:14,748 --> 00:45:17,170 No, no, I just, just, only the one. 829 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:18,685 Okay. 830 00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:19,786 Talking around it. 831 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,756 You're pretty sure it was late April, early March. 832 00:45:22,756 --> 00:45:24,524 Think about, uh, try to remember, like, 833 00:45:24,524 --> 00:45:25,725 details in your personal life. 834 00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,962 I know! I-I'm trying. I d... I don't... 835 00:45:28,962 --> 00:45:30,230 I don't, I don't remember. 836 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:32,650 Um, I got in a fight 837 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:34,868 with the boyfriend that week. 838 00:45:34,868 --> 00:45:37,370 God, when did I break up with him? I-I don't remember. 839 00:45:37,937 --> 00:45:40,400 God, I'm, I'm really blanking on what week, 840 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,808 what the, what the weekend was like before that. 841 00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:43,376 I-I'm so sorry. It's okay. 842 00:45:43,376 --> 00:45:45,812 Uh, I'm trying. God. 843 00:45:46,312 --> 00:45:49,182 Yeah. Mid-, mid-April is all I'm thinking. 844 00:45:49,182 --> 00:45:50,250 Okay. Alright. 845 00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:51,851 What if I tell you that I know 846 00:45:51,851 --> 00:45:54,200 that you searched for and printed out a document 847 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,722 on the ninth of May? 848 00:45:57,123 --> 00:45:58,491 The ninth of May? 849 00:45:59,726 --> 00:46:01,227 Uh, let me see. 850 00:46:01,795 --> 00:46:05,532 The CrossFit competition was on the 12th. 851 00:46:06,499 --> 00:46:09,469 God, was it really that late? Um... 852 00:46:09,502 --> 00:46:10,937 I-I-I mean, I can't argue that. 853 00:46:10,937 --> 00:46:13,606 If-if you know, you know, I mean, obviously you know. 854 00:46:13,606 --> 00:46:16,276 - I mean, I-I just, I can't imagine. - Okay, uh... 855 00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:19,913 I mean, I guess we're already June already. 856 00:46:22,148 --> 00:46:24,617 It's, it's been a really bad month for me. 857 00:46:24,617 --> 00:46:26,152 Do you remember what you did 858 00:46:26,152 --> 00:46:27,554 to get to that article? 859 00:46:28,688 --> 00:46:31,240 Other than seeing it on the, 860 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,225 on the front page or linking it... 861 00:46:32,225 --> 00:46:34,940 Uh, do you remember what search terms 862 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:35,195 you might have put in? 863 00:46:44,537 --> 00:46:46,406 Probably... 864 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:51,177 I'm not very sophisticated. 865 00:46:51,177 --> 00:46:52,846 Okay. So... 866 00:46:53,346 --> 00:46:55,150 you did print out a document, 867 00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:57,170 uh, an intelligence report. 868 00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:58,518 Y-you do recall that? 869 00:46:59,352 --> 00:47:01,388 Yeah, I do remember now. Yeah. 870 00:47:01,788 --> 00:47:03,990 Okay. What did you do with that report? 871 00:47:06,526 --> 00:47:09,195 I kept it on my desk for three days, 872 00:47:09,195 --> 00:47:12,198 and, um, I thought it was interesting and I would read it. 873 00:47:12,198 --> 00:47:15,201 And then I said, no, I sh... I should not have this on my desk. 874 00:47:15,201 --> 00:47:16,903 And so I put it in the burn bag. 875 00:47:16,903 --> 00:47:18,405 Where's the burn bag? 876 00:47:18,838 --> 00:47:20,473 Okay, uh, 877 00:47:20,473 --> 00:47:22,842 it's in the, uh, break room. 878 00:47:23,476 --> 00:47:26,813 Uh, it's the white box with the little slat on it, 879 00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:27,781 one over from the fridge. 880 00:47:27,781 --> 00:47:29,983 So you just slide it in there and... 881 00:47:29,983 --> 00:47:31,685 - And it's taken care of? - Yeah. 882 00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,422 Okay, Reality... 883 00:47:36,523 --> 00:47:38,191 are you sure that's what you did with it? 884 00:47:38,191 --> 00:47:39,492 Yes. 885 00:47:40,427 --> 00:47:41,761 You're positive? 886 00:47:42,696 --> 00:47:45,650 Yes. You didn't take it out of the building? 887 00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:46,366 No. 888 00:47:46,366 --> 00:47:47,400 You didn't take it out of the building 889 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,501 and give it to anybody? 890 00:47:48,501 --> 00:47:50,337 No. You didn't send it? 891 00:47:50,337 --> 00:47:52,639 No. You didn't send it to anyone? 892 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,740 No. 893 00:47:54,607 --> 00:47:56,209 Reality, can you guess how many people 894 00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:57,811 might have printed out that article? 895 00:47:59,846 --> 00:48:01,470 No. 896 00:48:01,470 --> 00:48:02,649 It's not many. 897 00:48:03,149 --> 00:48:05,518 That article has made it outside of NSA. 898 00:48:05,518 --> 00:48:08,540 Okay? Obviously, because we're here. 899 00:48:09,656 --> 00:48:11,424 And the most likely candidate 900 00:48:11,424 --> 00:48:14,427 by far and away is you. 901 00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:17,797 So now, 902 00:48:17,797 --> 00:48:20,333 I-I-I don't think... 903 00:48:20,333 --> 00:48:21,501 I don't think you're a, you know, 904 00:48:21,501 --> 00:48:24,337 a, a big bad master spy or anything. 905 00:48:24,337 --> 00:48:26,373 Okay? I don't. I don't think that. 906 00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:27,941 I think that I've looked at the evidence, 907 00:48:27,941 --> 00:48:30,310 and it's compelling. 908 00:48:31,511 --> 00:48:33,213 Now, I'm not sure why you did it, 909 00:48:33,213 --> 00:48:35,248 and I'm curious as to that, 910 00:48:35,248 --> 00:48:36,516 but I think 911 00:48:36,516 --> 00:48:38,351 you might have been angry over everything 912 00:48:38,351 --> 00:48:40,387 that's going on politics-wise. 913 00:48:41,321 --> 00:48:42,756 Because you can't turn on the... 914 00:48:43,723 --> 00:48:46,260 you can't turn on the TV without getting pissed off. 915 00:48:46,893 --> 00:48:47,927 Or at least I can't. 916 00:48:49,396 --> 00:48:51,731 I think you might have just made a mistake. 917 00:48:52,499 --> 00:48:54,467 Now, why I'm here and why I want to talk to you 918 00:48:54,467 --> 00:48:56,970 is to figure out the why behind this. 919 00:48:56,970 --> 00:48:58,838 Okay? 920 00:48:58,838 --> 00:49:01,274 So... I ask you again. 921 00:49:02,642 --> 00:49:04,310 Did you take it out and send it? 922 00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:08,882 I... I didn't. 923 00:49:10,183 --> 00:49:12,180 I-I-I put it in the burn bag. 924 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:14,200 I mean, I'm trying to deploy. 925 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,560 I'm not trying to be a whistleblower. That's crazy. 926 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,358 So how would you think that a document would end up getting out? 927 00:49:18,358 --> 00:49:20,593 Uh, I mean... 928 00:49:20,593 --> 00:49:21,995 I, I mean... 929 00:49:24,964 --> 00:49:26,466 Let's be honest, there's, 930 00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:29,436 there's little to no security on the documents. 931 00:49:29,436 --> 00:49:31,371 I mean, nobody pats you down. Mm-hmm. 932 00:49:31,371 --> 00:49:33,600 We talk about it all the time at work, like, 933 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,140 "Oh, you have to show our lunch. 934 00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:35,208 Oh, you eat so healthy," 935 00:49:35,208 --> 00:49:36,976 like every day, all the time. 936 00:49:36,976 --> 00:49:38,345 And people just, they... 937 00:49:38,345 --> 00:49:41,715 I mean, we, we have a building full of geniuses, right? 938 00:49:41,715 --> 00:49:44,517 And, I mean, I guess I'm just... 939 00:49:44,517 --> 00:49:46,553 I'm, I'm, I'm talking and I'm nervous, 940 00:49:46,553 --> 00:49:49,222 but I-I didn't, I didn't do anything with it. 941 00:49:49,823 --> 00:49:51,658 I mean, I-I'm trying to go somewhere else. 942 00:49:51,658 --> 00:49:53,827 I'm trying to increase my clearance. Okay. 943 00:49:53,827 --> 00:49:56,620 I mean, I... and I know it was sensitive 944 00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:57,297 and I thought it would be cool to have 945 00:49:57,297 --> 00:49:58,531 on my desk for a couple days. 946 00:49:58,531 --> 00:49:59,766 Okay. But do you remember, you said you remember 947 00:49:59,766 --> 00:50:01,668 putting it in the, in the, the burn bag. 948 00:50:01,668 --> 00:50:02,836 Yeah. Just sliding it in there. 949 00:50:02,836 --> 00:50:03,970 Okay. 950 00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:05,538 I remember that. Folded in half. 951 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:08,541 Folded in half? 952 00:50:11,878 --> 00:50:13,880 Yeah. Yeah, um... 953 00:50:14,848 --> 00:50:16,490 Because it didn't... 954 00:50:17,917 --> 00:50:19,352 Yeah, uh, folded in half. 955 00:50:21,621 --> 00:50:23,757 What if I tell you that that document 956 00:50:24,657 --> 00:50:25,792 folded in half 957 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,828 made its way outside of NSA? 958 00:50:30,663 --> 00:50:32,499 I, I don't, I don't... Made its way out 959 00:50:32,499 --> 00:50:35,350 in an envelope postmarked Augusta, Georgia. 960 00:50:35,835 --> 00:50:38,872 See, things are starting to get a little specific. 961 00:50:41,374 --> 00:50:43,777 Yeah. Made its way to an online news source 962 00:50:43,777 --> 00:50:45,445 that you subscribe to. 963 00:50:45,445 --> 00:50:47,247 Getting really specific. 964 00:50:49,683 --> 00:50:51,384 So I'm going to ask you again. 965 00:50:56,423 --> 00:50:59,359 What is very, very... 966 00:51:00,694 --> 00:51:02,362 very compelling... 967 00:51:05,865 --> 00:51:07,167 I'd like to know the reason 968 00:51:07,167 --> 00:51:09,536 because I, I-I don't think 969 00:51:09,536 --> 00:51:12,572 you make a habit out of this at all. 970 00:51:12,572 --> 00:51:14,441 At all. 971 00:51:14,441 --> 00:51:17,777 I think you just... messed up. 972 00:51:18,845 --> 00:51:20,313 Now, I'm not sure why you did it, 973 00:51:20,313 --> 00:51:22,549 and I'd like to hear from you on that. 974 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:26,653 But the what and the how 975 00:51:26,653 --> 00:51:29,589 would you agree... looks awfully bad? 976 00:51:31,157 --> 00:51:32,592 It looks really bad. Yeah. 977 00:51:34,594 --> 00:51:36,496 If you're angry about what's going on, 978 00:51:37,497 --> 00:51:38,865 if there's anything that... 979 00:51:42,350 --> 00:51:43,670 Look, you've had a good career. 980 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:44,771 You have. 981 00:51:45,405 --> 00:51:47,707 If there's something that just pushed you 982 00:51:47,707 --> 00:51:48,875 over the edge on this... 983 00:51:50,543 --> 00:51:52,245 now is the perfect time. 984 00:51:53,713 --> 00:51:54,881 This is a podium. 985 00:51:59,152 --> 00:52:01,210 You know, 986 00:52:01,210 --> 00:52:04,240 like... like he said, 987 00:52:05,358 --> 00:52:07,127 I, I don't think we're coming in here to say 988 00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:10,897 you're some big, bad mastermind, prolific spy kind of thing. 989 00:52:10,897 --> 00:52:14,667 I think what we both think is that maybe you made a mistake. 990 00:52:14,667 --> 00:52:16,536 Maybe you weren't thinking for a minute. 991 00:52:16,536 --> 00:52:18,405 Maybe you got angry, like he said. 992 00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:22,375 I mean, th-that's what I'm hoping. 993 00:52:23,143 --> 00:52:24,310 If th-that's the case, 994 00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:25,779 then that makes us feel a little better 995 00:52:25,779 --> 00:52:30,483 knowing we don't have a, a real serious problem here. 996 00:52:30,483 --> 00:52:33,453 You know, that's something that concerns us, too. 997 00:52:34,154 --> 00:52:37,123 That, that this isn't an, an ongoing problem. 998 00:52:37,724 --> 00:52:39,459 But we need to figure it out. 999 00:52:39,459 --> 00:52:41,728 And if it was a mistake... 1000 00:52:43,363 --> 00:52:44,664 let's deal with it. 1001 00:52:46,399 --> 00:52:48,100 Is this... 1002 00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:49,569 is this a room? 1003 00:52:51,304 --> 00:52:52,706 Agent 2: Is that a room? 1004 00:53:05,352 --> 00:53:07,287 So how'd you get it out of the office? 1005 00:53:25,638 --> 00:53:27,774 Folded in half in my pantyhose. 1006 00:53:42,722 --> 00:53:43,823 Okay. 1007 00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:46,226 And what did you do with it? 1008 00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:58,638 I put it in an envelope and sent it to... 1009 00:53:58,638 --> 00:54:00,640 Anybody specifically there? 1010 00:54:01,274 --> 00:54:03,109 I don't think I put a name. I just put... 1011 00:54:03,643 --> 00:54:05,645 Had you communicated with them prior to you doing that? With... 1012 00:54:05,645 --> 00:54:08,314 No, I wasn't trying to be a Snowden or anything. 1013 00:54:08,314 --> 00:54:09,949 And that's what... I don't think you were either. 1014 00:54:09,949 --> 00:54:11,217 I really don't. 1015 00:54:11,217 --> 00:54:14,200 But I, I, I think you made a mistake. 1016 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,189 But... 1017 00:54:16,189 --> 00:54:17,657 I don't think either one of us 1018 00:54:17,657 --> 00:54:19,826 think you were trying to be Snowden. 1019 00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:23,563 No, it was, it was just the one document. 1020 00:54:23,563 --> 00:54:25,298 And like you said, because... Right. 1021 00:54:25,298 --> 00:54:28,835 I've had, um, a, a really hard time at work. 1022 00:54:28,868 --> 00:54:31,738 Uh, I've, I've, I've filed formal complaints 1023 00:54:31,738 --> 00:54:35,141 about them having Fox News on all the time 1024 00:54:35,141 --> 00:54:38,278 and, and, like, for God's sake, put Al-Jazeera on 1025 00:54:38,278 --> 00:54:40,213 or a slideshow of people's pets. 1026 00:54:40,213 --> 00:54:41,514 Like, I've tried everything to get that changed. 1027 00:54:41,514 --> 00:54:42,949 It would probably be a good thing. 1028 00:54:42,949 --> 00:54:43,983 Unfortunately, it doesn't matter 1029 00:54:43,983 --> 00:54:44,984 which side you're watching, 1030 00:54:44,984 --> 00:54:46,353 they're all pretty bad. 1031 00:54:46,353 --> 00:54:48,880 Yeah. But... 1032 00:54:48,555 --> 00:54:51,658 uh, I think the pets may be the way to go. 1033 00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:55,862 The pets would have been great. 1034 00:54:56,696 --> 00:54:57,731 Uhm... 1035 00:54:58,631 --> 00:55:00,967 but just having that every day and then... 1036 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,508 Where'd you mail it from? 1037 00:55:16,249 --> 00:55:18,151 Uh, mailbox 1038 00:55:18,151 --> 00:55:21,540 on, uh, Baston Road. 1039 00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:22,389 Okay. 1040 00:55:22,389 --> 00:55:24,591 It's, uh, it's, uh, the shopping center 1041 00:55:24,591 --> 00:55:28,461 with the bank and the Earth Fare gro-gro-grocery store. 1042 00:55:28,461 --> 00:55:29,996 Okay, I know where you're talking about. 1043 00:55:29,996 --> 00:55:31,898 At the intersection of Baston Road 1044 00:55:31,898 --> 00:55:33,333 and F-Fury's Ferry. 1045 00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:34,634 Fury's Ferry. Okay. Mm-hmm. 1046 00:55:34,634 --> 00:55:37,804 I never could say that right. Fur-Fury's Ferry. 1047 00:55:37,804 --> 00:55:39,339 And it was just a mailbox sittin' out 1048 00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:41,410 in the middle of the parking lot? 1049 00:55:41,410 --> 00:55:42,809 Mm-hmm. Just a metal box, yeah. 1050 00:55:45,145 --> 00:55:46,880 Okay. Okay. 1051 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,523 Do you remember what day it was? 1052 00:55:58,358 --> 00:56:01,261 What day of the week was the ninth? 1053 00:56:01,861 --> 00:56:03,663 Let's see. Um... 1054 00:56:03,663 --> 00:56:04,831 Uh, we'll check. 1055 00:56:06,166 --> 00:56:07,500 Need some water or something? 1056 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,102 I'd like some water once we figure out 1057 00:56:09,102 --> 00:56:10,136 what day of the week it was. 1058 00:56:10,136 --> 00:56:11,104 Okay. Let's see. 1059 00:56:11,104 --> 00:56:13,390 I want to say it was, uh, 1060 00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:15,141 if I can figure out this crazy phone, 1061 00:56:15,141 --> 00:56:16,509 I want to say it was a Tuesday. 1062 00:56:16,509 --> 00:56:18,110 Tuesday? Yeah. 1063 00:56:18,812 --> 00:56:20,914 Is there something significant about the ninth 1064 00:56:20,914 --> 00:56:23,183 - in other ways? - No. Uh, it was, 1065 00:56:23,183 --> 00:56:25,352 it was just the first day I saw it, uh. 1066 00:56:25,352 --> 00:56:27,530 If it... if, if... 1067 00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:28,955 It might have been the 11th or the 12th 1068 00:56:28,955 --> 00:56:31,958 if, if I subbed yoga on the, 1069 00:56:31,958 --> 00:56:33,293 on the night of the 11th, 1070 00:56:33,293 --> 00:56:34,994 then, uh, the yoga studio is right there. 1071 00:56:34,994 --> 00:56:37,230 So it would have been a Thursday or Friday? 1072 00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:38,998 Thursday or Friday. Okay. 1073 00:56:40,330 --> 00:56:41,968 What yoga studio? 1074 00:56:41,968 --> 00:56:44,971 Uh, it's called Oh Yeah Yoga. 1075 00:56:44,971 --> 00:56:46,473 So, you said maybe 1076 00:56:46,473 --> 00:56:48,975 you mailed it Thursday or Friday? 1077 00:56:48,975 --> 00:56:51,144 Mm-hmm. Okay. 1078 00:56:51,144 --> 00:56:55,115 How did you know to, uh, mail it to... 1079 00:57:28,448 --> 00:57:30,717 So you wanted to be able to publish it? 1080 00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:32,986 Yeah. 1081 00:57:33,586 --> 00:57:35,121 Did you send it anywhere else? 1082 00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:36,656 No. No? 1083 00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:38,658 No other publications 1084 00:57:38,658 --> 00:57:40,627 you've shown it to or given it to? 1085 00:57:40,627 --> 00:57:42,462 No. 1086 00:57:42,462 --> 00:57:43,630 Is there gonna be anything here 1087 00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:45,131 that we're gonna be surprised to find? 1088 00:57:45,131 --> 00:57:46,866 No, I, I never took the document out of my car. 1089 00:57:46,866 --> 00:57:49,335 Is there anything on your phone or your computer? 1090 00:57:50,503 --> 00:57:52,472 On my, on my phone, you might, 1091 00:57:52,472 --> 00:57:53,907 I don't, I don't know if I deleted it, 1092 00:57:53,907 --> 00:57:55,608 but you guys are probably going to be able to see it anyway, 1093 00:57:55,608 --> 00:57:59,346 but there will be a screenshot of the address. 1094 00:58:03,249 --> 00:58:05,452 Okay. Okay. 1095 00:58:06,553 --> 00:58:08,455 Uh, you mentioned you wanted some water? 1096 00:58:09,489 --> 00:58:11,458 Yeah. 1097 00:58:11,458 --> 00:58:13,493 - Yeah. Why don't we, uh... - No, I'll make it. 1098 00:58:14,127 --> 00:58:16,696 Uh, I'm just gonna get somebody out here. 1099 00:58:19,699 --> 00:58:22,350 Hey, can I, can I have somebody in here, please? 1100 00:58:22,350 --> 00:58:24,204 Uh, do you want a bottle of water? 1101 00:58:25,238 --> 00:58:26,506 Um... 1102 00:58:28,208 --> 00:58:29,342 Do you have a filter in the fridge 1103 00:58:29,342 --> 00:58:30,844 or do you just want tap water or... 1104 00:58:30,844 --> 00:58:31,945 Ta-tap water. 1105 00:58:31,945 --> 00:58:34,781 There's, um, a, a mason jar glass 1106 00:58:34,781 --> 00:58:35,982 next to the sink. 1107 00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,952 Can I get one person to stand here, please, 1108 00:58:38,952 --> 00:58:40,653 so I can go to the kitchen? 1109 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,649 You guys, uh, 1110 00:59:09,649 --> 00:59:11,351 you're not going to fit in there anymore. 1111 00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:14,954 She's not going to fit in there anymore. 1112 00:59:21,628 --> 00:59:23,290 She's still under the bed? 1113 00:59:23,290 --> 00:59:25,310 Huh? The cat. 1114 00:59:25,310 --> 00:59:27,200 Is the cat still under the bed? 1115 00:59:28,868 --> 00:59:30,270 She's a big girl. 1116 00:59:38,278 --> 00:59:39,946 Oh yeah, we-we're trying. 1117 00:59:39,946 --> 00:59:41,614 How old is she? 1118 00:59:45,285 --> 00:59:47,253 She's three years now. 1119 00:59:52,992 --> 00:59:54,294 But girl likes to eat. 1120 00:59:54,294 --> 00:59:55,595 Oh yeah. 1121 00:59:56,129 --> 00:59:57,430 She likes carbs. 1122 00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:59,499 She's got a little slim fit on her. 1123 00:59:59,499 --> 01:00:00,667 Mm-hmm. 1124 01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:02,802 She came out, I was like... 1125 01:00:02,836 --> 01:00:04,137 Whoa! 1126 01:00:05,772 --> 01:00:07,107 Yeah. 1127 01:00:07,107 --> 01:00:09,142 She'll snatch bread right out of my mouth. 1128 01:00:09,142 --> 01:00:10,276 Like... Wow. 1129 01:00:10,276 --> 01:00:12,278 Girl, you do not need those. 1130 01:00:36,636 --> 01:00:37,704 Water. 1131 01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:45,311 Thanks. 1132 01:00:51,151 --> 01:00:53,486 So other than the screenshot on the phone, 1133 01:00:53,486 --> 01:00:54,654 there shouldn't be anything else? 1134 01:00:54,654 --> 01:00:56,990 And there should be nothing on the laptop? 1135 01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:58,358 Nothing on the laptop. 1136 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,630 I do have a Tor browser. 1137 01:01:08,568 --> 01:01:12,605 Which probably looks bad, but... 1138 01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:16,443 Okay. 1139 01:01:16,443 --> 01:01:19,312 What do you... use, what do you use the Tor browser for? 1140 01:01:47,674 --> 01:01:49,676 Have you had any contact with anyone from... 1141 01:01:59,853 --> 01:02:01,388 The Intercept? 1142 01:02:02,555 --> 01:02:04,391 Have you tried to reach out? 1143 01:02:04,391 --> 01:02:07,527 Like you said, I saw the article, 1144 01:02:07,527 --> 01:02:09,696 and I couldn't believe it wasn't a thing. 1145 01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:11,798 It made you mad. 1146 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,335 It made me very mad. 1147 01:02:17,470 --> 01:02:21,141 That Russian interference helped him win the election. 1148 01:02:21,141 --> 01:02:22,609 Senior national correspondent... 1149 01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:24,444 "Russia/Cybersecurity: 1150 01:02:24,444 --> 01:02:27,347 "Main Intelligence Directorate Cyber Actors, 1151 01:02:27,347 --> 01:02:29,649 "redacted, Target U.S. Companies 1152 01:02:29,649 --> 01:02:31,351 "and Local U.S. Government Officials 1153 01:02:31,351 --> 01:02:34,254 "Using Voter Registration-Themed Emails, 1154 01:02:34,254 --> 01:02:37,257 "Spoof Election-Related Products and Services, 1155 01:02:37,257 --> 01:02:39,526 "Research Absentee Ballot Email Addresses; 1156 01:02:39,526 --> 01:02:41,610 August to November 2016." 1157 01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:42,929 If anybody could show me that the Russians 1158 01:02:42,929 --> 01:02:45,598 got into any voting machine anywhere in America and... 1159 01:02:45,598 --> 01:02:48,134 - They did... that... nobody... - That's how you hack an election, Bill. 1160 01:02:48,134 --> 01:02:50,603 No, no. That's one way you can hack an election. No one is... 1161 01:02:50,603 --> 01:02:54,274 "Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors 1162 01:02:54,274 --> 01:02:57,744 "redacted, executed cyber espionage operations 1163 01:02:57,777 --> 01:03:01,810 "against a named U.S. company in August 2016, 1164 01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:03,483 "evidently to obtain information 1165 01:03:03,483 --> 01:03:06,353 "on elections-related software and hardware solutions 1166 01:03:06,353 --> 01:03:09,890 "according to information that became available 1167 01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:10,390 in April 2017." 1168 01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:12,325 - What kind of attack... - You're jumping to conclusions. 1169 01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:13,727 No, there is no jump. 1170 01:03:13,727 --> 01:03:15,328 - I'm simply telling you... - Of course, you are. 1171 01:03:15,328 --> 01:03:17,397 There's not one shred of evidence 1172 01:03:17,397 --> 01:03:19,766 - tying Russians to a hacking... - Okay. 1173 01:03:19,766 --> 01:03:21,501 "Given the content of the malicious email, 1174 01:03:21,501 --> 01:03:22,869 "it was likely that the threat actor 1175 01:03:22,869 --> 01:03:25,271 "was targeting officials involved in the management 1176 01:03:25,271 --> 01:03:27,507 "of voter registration systems. 1177 01:03:27,507 --> 01:03:29,242 "It is unknown whether the aforementioned 1178 01:03:29,242 --> 01:03:31,644 "spear-phishing deployment successfully compromised 1179 01:03:31,644 --> 01:03:34,800 "the intended victims, and what potential data 1180 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,249 could have been accessed by the cyber actor." 1181 01:03:37,884 --> 01:03:39,519 It was right there. 1182 01:03:41,521 --> 01:03:44,891 And I just, I didn't care about myself at that point. 1183 01:03:45,992 --> 01:03:48,128 When did you realize the technical capabilities 1184 01:03:48,128 --> 01:03:49,596 of that article? 1185 01:03:49,596 --> 01:03:51,297 Sources and methods. 1186 01:03:51,297 --> 01:03:52,432 Sources and methods 1187 01:03:52,432 --> 01:03:54,634 are valuable to adversaries. 1188 01:03:56,102 --> 01:03:57,637 Yeah. 1189 01:03:57,637 --> 01:03:59,500 Okay. 1190 01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:00,340 With that in mind, 1191 01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:02,842 why did you make the decision to send it anyway? 1192 01:04:05,145 --> 01:04:07,580 Honestly, I just figured that whatever we were using 1193 01:04:07,580 --> 01:04:09,582 had already been compromised. 1194 01:04:11,184 --> 01:04:12,919 And that this report would just be like 1195 01:04:12,919 --> 01:04:14,387 one drop in a bucket. 1196 01:04:22,462 --> 01:04:24,264 Is there anything else you want to tell me? 1197 01:04:25,432 --> 01:04:26,633 Say? 1198 01:04:27,801 --> 01:04:28,968 Talk about why? 1199 01:04:38,745 --> 01:04:40,180 I was just... 1200 01:04:42,682 --> 01:04:46,453 I just thought that... that week 1201 01:04:47,787 --> 01:04:50,790 there was just too much to sit back and watch it and think, 1202 01:04:51,591 --> 01:04:54,928 why do I have this job if I'm going to be helpless? 1203 01:04:56,596 --> 01:04:57,630 It was just... 1204 01:04:59,632 --> 01:05:00,667 I'm sorry. 1205 01:05:03,236 --> 01:05:04,738 It was just the final straw. 1206 01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:08,675 Was there something that just 1207 01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:11,611 just... did it. 1208 01:05:13,179 --> 01:05:15,810 Because you don't seem the type to do this. 1209 01:05:15,749 --> 01:05:18,510 I-I-I'm not. I-I-I believe in it. I wanna believe in it. 1210 01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:19,419 I'm not. I... 1211 01:05:21,870 --> 01:05:23,923 I want to go out With our Special Forces. 1212 01:05:24,591 --> 01:05:26,793 I mean, that's why I got out of the Air Force. 1213 01:05:26,793 --> 01:05:27,761 I-I-I... 1214 01:05:27,761 --> 01:05:29,729 It's wh... It's why I'm here in Augusta. 1215 01:05:29,729 --> 01:05:31,398 I-I was trying to get my clearance back 1216 01:05:31,398 --> 01:05:33,660 so I could get deployments. 1217 01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:36,169 I... It just was at a time I wasn't applying for deployments. I... 1218 01:05:37,837 --> 01:05:40,273 I had seven, eight months left of a job 1219 01:05:40,273 --> 01:05:41,741 that didn't mean anything to me 1220 01:05:44,144 --> 01:05:46,546 Like, what am I doing translating Farsi? 1221 01:05:46,546 --> 01:05:47,814 I-I just... 1222 01:05:49,783 --> 01:05:51,117 I felt hopeless. 1223 01:05:51,117 --> 01:05:53,153 And seeing that information 1224 01:05:53,153 --> 01:05:55,288 be contested back and forth, 1225 01:05:55,288 --> 01:05:57,257 back and forth in the public domain 1226 01:05:57,257 --> 01:05:59,225 with everything else that just keeps getting released 1227 01:05:59,225 --> 01:06:01,227 and everything that keeps getting leaked, like, 1228 01:06:01,227 --> 01:06:03,897 why can't this get out there? 1229 01:06:03,897 --> 01:06:05,632 Why can't this be public? 1230 01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,274 Were you surprised to see us today? 1231 01:06:18,411 --> 01:06:20,113 Yeah. Actually, I thought 1232 01:06:20,714 --> 01:06:22,148 you were here to ask about the house 1233 01:06:22,148 --> 01:06:24,417 because it's still for lease online. 1234 01:06:24,417 --> 01:06:26,986 Because you didn't seem surprised when we pulled up. 1235 01:06:27,487 --> 01:06:30,890 Oh, God. That's just because I have a resting ***** face. 1236 01:06:31,658 --> 01:06:35,662 You guys turn around and, and "FBI." 1237 01:06:35,662 --> 01:06:38,231 I was like, what is going on, you know? 1238 01:06:38,832 --> 01:06:42,335 And then you showed your badge right up and, uh... 1239 01:06:45,438 --> 01:06:48,375 I submitted my security packet yesterday 1240 01:06:48,375 --> 01:06:49,743 for my clearance on E-QIP. 1241 01:06:49,743 --> 01:06:50,810 So I thought 1242 01:06:51,911 --> 01:06:53,413 that was what it's for. 1243 01:06:53,413 --> 01:06:55,248 I was like, why are you guys questioning me 1244 01:06:55,248 --> 01:06:56,316 for my own clearance? 1245 01:06:56,316 --> 01:06:57,951 But... Okay. 1246 01:06:59,886 --> 01:07:01,621 That's, that's not going to happen. 1247 01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:04,157 Uh... 1248 01:07:04,157 --> 01:07:05,658 Anything else you can think of? 1249 01:07:06,626 --> 01:07:08,728 What we have to do is we have to do the search. 1250 01:07:08,728 --> 01:07:09,996 Of course. 1251 01:07:09,996 --> 01:07:12,599 Uh, you said... 1252 01:07:14,401 --> 01:07:16,369 Sorry, I have a sinus infection, 1253 01:07:16,369 --> 01:07:17,637 - so I sound... - It's okay? 1254 01:07:18,638 --> 01:07:20,573 I sound awful. 1255 01:07:20,573 --> 01:07:22,342 Well, this is the best room to be in it with. 1256 01:07:23,576 --> 01:07:25,512 Do you remember the site from memory? 1257 01:07:26,813 --> 01:07:30,316 Uh, if you scroll down to the bottom, there's contact, 1258 01:07:30,316 --> 01:07:32,218 but it-it's not as obvious as you think 1259 01:07:32,218 --> 01:07:33,720 because it's closer. 1260 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:34,621 Mm-hmm. 1261 01:07:34,621 --> 01:07:36,289 How long did it take you to find it? 1262 01:07:38,858 --> 01:07:41,695 About probably three minutes of scrolling, 1263 01:07:41,695 --> 01:07:44,864 which felt like an eternity sitting in my car. 1264 01:07:46,366 --> 01:07:47,734 Mm-hmm. Okay. 1265 01:07:47,734 --> 01:07:49,369 Yeah. Uh... 1266 01:07:50,103 --> 01:07:52,272 you said the documents stayed in your car. 1267 01:07:54,341 --> 01:07:57,277 Yeah. Where did you get the envelope? 1268 01:07:59,279 --> 01:08:01,781 The box of envelopes is... 1269 01:08:03,383 --> 01:08:06,520 it's on the back seat in the car 1270 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:07,954 behind the driver's seat. I... 1271 01:08:08,755 --> 01:08:12,920 I had a bunch of forms I had to mail out last December, 1272 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,927 so it's been in my car since December. 1273 01:08:13,927 --> 01:08:15,929 Okay. 1274 01:08:15,929 --> 01:08:17,263 And the stamps? 1275 01:08:17,931 --> 01:08:19,265 Stamps. 1276 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,136 I think I have about one or two left in there, 1277 01:08:23,136 --> 01:08:25,338 uh, but I-I keep stamps in the glove box 1278 01:08:25,338 --> 01:08:27,640 in case I have to mail anything out, 1279 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,242 like bills and stuff. 1280 01:08:29,242 --> 01:08:31,711 Okay. In, in your glove box? 1281 01:08:31,711 --> 01:08:32,846 In the glove box, yeah. 1282 01:08:33,613 --> 01:08:36,349 Alright. Uh, I'm trying to think if I have anything else. 1283 01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:39,552 Uh, the search, the, the guys will continue the search. 1284 01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:42,880 Search the vehicle and the house, 1285 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,424 and they'll photograph everything. 1286 01:08:44,891 --> 01:08:47,360 Um, you, uh, the search team leader, 1287 01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,729 uh, is gonna sit down with you and go through things... 1288 01:08:56,236 --> 01:08:58,710 My passport... 1289 01:09:01,474 --> 01:09:03,843 Do you have, uh, any questions for me? 1290 01:09:05,111 --> 01:09:06,613 So many, um. 1291 01:09:08,982 --> 01:09:11,351 This sounds really bad. 1292 01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,155 Am I going to jail tonight? 1293 01:09:17,791 --> 01:09:20,126 I don't know how to answer that yet. 1294 01:09:20,126 --> 01:09:21,628 Okay. What was the question? 1295 01:09:21,628 --> 01:09:24,230 - Uh, if she's going to jail tonight. - Oh. 1296 01:09:24,230 --> 01:09:26,266 Said I don't have the answer to that quite yet. 1297 01:09:28,435 --> 01:09:30,770 Of course, the, the search is still going on, uh. 1298 01:09:31,438 --> 01:09:32,772 In the case that... 1299 01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:36,420 I don't have memorized... 1300 01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:38,345 The woman, her name is Cathy. 1301 01:09:38,345 --> 01:09:40,847 She works at the Augusta Humane Society. 1302 01:09:40,847 --> 01:09:43,717 Okay. She can come and pick up the dog in the case that 1303 01:09:43,717 --> 01:09:44,718 I-I-I-I'm not here tonight. 1304 01:09:44,718 --> 01:09:47,754 Well, let's don't... Okay. 1305 01:09:47,754 --> 01:09:49,550 It's just... 1306 01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:50,123 Let's don't put the cart 1307 01:09:50,123 --> 01:09:51,591 before the horse right now. 1308 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,727 Okay. 1309 01:09:53,727 --> 01:09:55,662 Okay? 1310 01:09:55,662 --> 01:09:57,230 That's just, um... I understand. 1311 01:09:57,230 --> 01:09:58,665 My only concern is getting her 1312 01:09:58,665 --> 01:10:01,234 and then maybe one more phone call to get the cat covered. 1313 01:10:01,234 --> 01:10:02,702 We'll, we'll figure that out. 1314 01:10:02,702 --> 01:10:04,804 If, if it comes to that, 1315 01:10:05,305 --> 01:10:07,400 we'll, we'll figure that out. 1316 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,376 And I don't have the answer to that yet. And I'm going to... 1317 01:10:09,376 --> 01:10:11,711 We'll, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Okay? 1318 01:10:11,711 --> 01:10:13,790 Okay. 1319 01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:15,548 Uh, what else? 1320 01:11:06,833 --> 01:11:08,334 You turn it off? 1321 01:11:08,334 --> 01:11:09,703 It's still recording. 1322 01:11:28,888 --> 01:11:30,223 Copy. 1323 01:11:40,133 --> 01:11:41,701 Would you like to sit down somewhere? 1324 01:11:42,235 --> 01:11:44,204 - I'm fine. - You're fine? 1325 01:11:44,704 --> 01:11:45,739 Yeah. 1326 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,295 Reality. 1327 01:13:08,855 --> 01:13:11,491 Automated voice: Hello. This is a prepaid collect call 1328 01:13:11,491 --> 01:13:13,360 from an inmate at Lincoln County Jail 1329 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,861 in Lincolnton, Georgia. 1330 01:13:14,861 --> 01:13:17,564 This call is subject to recording and monitoring. 1331 01:13:17,564 --> 01:13:19,766 To accept charges, press one. 1332 01:13:19,766 --> 01:13:21,534 As soon as Mom and Gary get to Georgia, 1333 01:13:21,534 --> 01:13:22,869 they're going to pick up Mina at least, 1334 01:13:22,869 --> 01:13:25,772 and Mickey will stay back with the shelter, 1335 01:13:25,772 --> 01:13:27,907 but they're safe in the house. 1336 01:13:28,775 --> 01:13:31,644 Everyone was really worried about them when they searched my house. 1337 01:13:32,779 --> 01:13:34,414 Bunch of dog people. 1338 01:13:35,281 --> 01:13:37,170 Yeah. I mean, that was the one thing, like, 1339 01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:38,685 when the FBI was interrogating me, 1340 01:13:38,685 --> 01:13:40,860 they were just like, 1341 01:13:40,860 --> 01:13:41,888 look, we have everything. We're just... 1342 01:13:42,389 --> 01:13:43,857 we just want to know why. 1343 01:13:44,824 --> 01:13:46,159 You know what I mean? 1344 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,828 They didn't care about anything else. 1345 01:13:48,828 --> 01:13:51,164 They were just straight-up curious to know why. 1346 01:13:51,164 --> 01:13:53,333 They say Reality Winner has two faces. 1347 01:13:53,333 --> 01:13:55,101 One an Air Force veteran, 1348 01:13:55,101 --> 01:13:56,870 a loving daughter, and a yoga instructor. 1349 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:59,572 The other, a person who had taken a keen interest 1350 01:13:59,572 --> 01:14:01,908 in the Middle East with suspicious motives. 1351 01:14:01,908 --> 01:14:03,777 When asked by the FBI, 1352 01:14:03,777 --> 01:14:07,130 Winner stated that she knew the intelligence report 1353 01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:10,750 revealed sources and methods 1354 01:14:11,151 --> 01:14:13,887 used by the U.S. intelligence agencies, 1355 01:14:13,887 --> 01:14:17,490 and she knew that compromising those sources and methods 1356 01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:20,193 could be valuable to our adversaries 1357 01:14:20,193 --> 01:14:22,362 and damage the United States. 1358 01:14:22,862 --> 01:14:25,765 She claimed to hate America. 1359 01:14:26,499 --> 01:14:31,370 When asked, "You don't really hate America, right?" 1360 01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:33,973 She responded, "I mean, yeah, I do. 1361 01:14:33,973 --> 01:14:38,311 It's literally the worst thing to happen on the planet." 1362 01:14:39,346 --> 01:14:42,150 She was the quintessential example 1363 01:14:42,150 --> 01:14:43,783 of an insider threat. 1364 01:14:44,117 --> 01:14:46,619 Obviously an intemperate political activist, 1365 01:14:46,619 --> 01:14:48,855 how did she get a security clearance? 1366 01:14:48,855 --> 01:14:50,423 We could ask the same question 1367 01:14:50,423 --> 01:14:53,827 about a lot of people working in government right now... 1368 01:14:53,827 --> 01:14:56,620 I keep telling myself to act more like I think 1369 01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:57,630 I did something wrong. 1370 01:14:58,465 --> 01:15:00,300 We are more concerned with the leaks 1371 01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:02,936 than we are with the fact that the Russians 1372 01:15:02,936 --> 01:15:04,571 attacked our democracy 1373 01:15:04,571 --> 01:15:06,172 and that the President's campaign 1374 01:15:06,172 --> 01:15:07,340 may have participated in it. 1375 01:15:07,340 --> 01:15:09,750 They didn't attack our democracy. 1376 01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:10,477 - They did. - That's a meaningful... 1377 01:15:10,477 --> 01:15:11,978 If you look at this, this is sort of like 1378 01:15:11,978 --> 01:15:15,281 The Intercept knowingly or unknowingly 1379 01:15:15,281 --> 01:15:17,450 outed their own source. 1380 01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:18,918 I mean, it made no sense. 1381 01:15:18,952 --> 01:15:20,854 It's like, is it that, are you that... 1382 01:15:20,854 --> 01:15:23,356 Sloppy? Irresponsible? What is it? 1383 01:15:23,356 --> 01:15:24,224 Both. 1384 01:15:24,224 --> 01:15:25,492 As a journalist, we count on people 1385 01:15:25,492 --> 01:15:27,894 to leak us information that's vital 1386 01:15:27,894 --> 01:15:29,529 for our democracy to function. 1387 01:15:29,529 --> 01:15:31,364 Knowing what happened with the Russian hack 1388 01:15:31,364 --> 01:15:33,400 was a very important thing. 1389 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,803 Now, she did violate the rules of her employment. 1390 01:15:36,803 --> 01:15:39,739 But this penalty that she's gotten, five years, 1391 01:15:39,739 --> 01:15:42,842 is exceedingly long, one of the longest penalties. 1392 01:15:42,842 --> 01:15:45,111 And it's obviously there to create 1393 01:15:45,111 --> 01:15:47,514 a, you know, a chilling effect. 1394 01:15:47,514 --> 01:15:49,849 Right? So that other people don't do this 1395 01:15:49,849 --> 01:15:51,484 and k... we stay in the dark. 1396 01:15:51,484 --> 01:15:53,853 Automated voice: You have one minute remaining on your call. 1397 01:15:53,853 --> 01:15:55,210 You have one minute left. 1398 01:15:55,210 --> 01:15:56,189 If you could just get 1399 01:15:56,189 --> 01:15:57,223 that message to Lane. 1400 01:15:57,223 --> 01:15:58,558 Yeah, I will. 1401 01:15:59,590 --> 01:16:01,127 Alright. I really appreciate it. 1402 01:16:01,127 --> 01:16:02,228 Yeah, of course. I'm just worried that... 1403 01:16:02,228 --> 01:16:03,396 Oh, and one more name. 1404 01:16:03,396 --> 01:16:05,899 Don Z. Last name starts with a Z. 1405 01:16:05,899 --> 01:16:08,468 Okay. Tell him I'm probably not gonna 1406 01:16:08,835 --> 01:16:11,137 talk to him again, but, um, 1407 01:16:11,671 --> 01:16:14,441 I'm doin' pushups like crazy and I'm going to miss him. 1408 01:16:14,441 --> 01:16:16,900 Just let him know that... 1409 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:18,178 Obviously been recording. 1410 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,380 I'm going to... 1411 01:16:21,481 --> 01:16:23,483 What's up? Going to end the recording. 1412 01:16:23,483 --> 01:16:24,851 I think so. 1413 01:16:24,851 --> 01:16:26,190 I think so. 1414 01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:28,955 So this is at, uh, five, 1415 01:16:28,955 --> 01:16:31,558 let's call it 5:17 p.m., 1416 01:16:32,125 --> 01:16:35,261 ceasing recording on June third.